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Speaker 1: Now we know that the Prime Minister had his first

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Speaker 1: a statement from the Federal Attorney General saying that the

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Speaker 1: Australia announced last year. It is unclear what this funding

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Speaker 1: is going to go towards exactly, though, joining me in

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Speaker 2: We'll wait and see.

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Speaker 1: Nathan Finn, the president of the Police Association.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, if any.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, Good morning Katie, and good morning to your listeners.

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Speaker 3: And I apologize this morning before we get started. I've

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Speaker 3: yeah all right.

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Speaker 1: Mate, I'll pretend lucky we're not on a TV interview,

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Speaker 2: You'll be right good on you for still coming in.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So obviously the announcement yesterday was obviously a shock

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Speaker 3: Just reached out to him to say what it's going

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Speaker 3: to equate to and how that's going to look. I've

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Speaker 3: But I can confirm that we're still twenty five to

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Speaker 1: So it's twenty five to twenty eight that's short in

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Speaker 3: That's correct at the current time from the announcement when

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Speaker 1: So finny by the sounds of it, despite the fact

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Speaker 2: So there was the fourteen point two million.

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Speaker 1: So that's that fourteen point two million. Then when you

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Speaker 3: That's correct.

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Speaker 2: Yes, but we're still not there yet with that money.

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Speaker 3: We still haven't got there with that money. So I

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Speaker 1: And look, I will say it seems like the police

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Speaker 1: It seems like there's no doubt that the additional surge

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Speaker 3: Definitely? But when people call police, they want to see police.

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Speaker 2: Now tell me. I know.

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Speaker 1: The Police Minister was on the show earlier in the week.

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Speaker 1: There was also a media event towards the end of

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Speaker 1: As I understand, the Police Minister says we're going to

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Speaker 1: have an additional sixty officers operating by the end of June.

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Speaker 2: I think it is. How are things tracking from your.

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Speaker 3: Perspective in relation to that announcement on Friday. We didn't

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Speaker 3: The eleven auxiliaries that have gone into obviously seven into Jesskin,

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Speaker 3: So there hasn't been any increase in the numbers of

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Speaker 2: So how come those cops haven't gone out on the

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Speaker 1: No? But you know, like they said that once are

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Speaker 3: Out and about we haven't had councils in the watch

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Speaker 3: So we haven't had councils in the watchuse, we haven't

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Speaker 1: What about these sixty extra offices that we're meant to

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Speaker 3: I think, yeah, you won't see sixty I think it's

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Speaker 2: Finny, when do you reckon? We will see.

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Speaker 3: Them, hopefully. What they're saying is we'll see some of

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Speaker 2: There, just in time for an election.

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Speaker 3: Oh, surprise, surprise, funny that.

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Speaker 2: The striptics in US now just moving along.

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Speaker 1: Mate in terms of now in terms of the watchhouses

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Speaker 3: Even though we're supported by corrections they're in our facility,

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Speaker 3: we still hold the risk for those prisoners being held.

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Speaker 3: We've seen the announcements coming that there's going to be

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Speaker 3: used as obviously been flagged as well. And we need

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Speaker 3: to get these presonents out of our police watchhouses because

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Speaker 3: it's not appropriate, Katie. We haven't got the facility for

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Speaker 3: them to exercise. They're locked in a cell twenty four

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Speaker 3: The agitation levels obviously go up when they are obviously

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Speaker 1: Do you reckon we like, are we heading in the

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Speaker 1: right direction in terms of those watch houses no longer

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Speaker 1: being utilized once the prisons have greater capacity and once

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Speaker 2: Like, are we heading in the right direction?

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Speaker 3: We're hitting in the right direction. We're doing all the

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Speaker 3: obviously to support their confidence in our government. We've got

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Speaker 3: extra police. We've been asking you this for a number

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Speaker 3: of years, so it's no issue to us that they're

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Speaker 3: and we're supportive of them supporting our police to do

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Speaker 1: I mean, do you still think though, that we need

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Speaker 1: some legislative changes. I'm just looking at an article out

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Speaker 1: of Queensland this morning and the Premier, Stephen Miles, has

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Speaker 1: buckled to pressure and is going to remove the detention

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Speaker 1: as the last resort clause amid poor electoral prospects and

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Speaker 1: mounting criticism that their government's soft on crime. So they're

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Speaker 1: conceding to demands from regional MPs facing.

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Speaker 2: A wipeout at their October election.

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Speaker 1: Mister Miles convened a late night Labor Caucus meeting yesterday

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Speaker 1: to reveal but he's going to introduce amendments to Parliament

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Speaker 1: to acts detention as a last resort to remove any

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Speaker 1: doubt when a young person should be detained.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: It's a big step and a big step that give

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Speaker 3: obviously discussing that there needs to be legiactiy change here

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Speaker 3: in the Northern Territory as well. We need to see

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Speaker 3: consequences for behaviors. We've seen this over and over again.

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Speaker 3: We've called for time and time again. Our members are

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Speaker 3: get frustrated by the catch and release policy we're currently

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Speaker 3: be held responsible for their actions. We want to see

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Speaker 3: legterative change that actually supports the police in doing what

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Speaker 3: they need to do. We know that the detention doesn't

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Speaker 3: work totality, but if there's support mechanisms in that detention space,

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Speaker 3: which we haven't got at the moment with programs and

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Speaker 3: educational programs in that space. I think it'll work in

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Speaker 3: the long time because that these kids aren't going to school,

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Speaker 3: they're not getting the education that most of the other

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Speaker 1: Nathan Finn, the president of the Northern Territory Police Association, always.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate your time.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us this morning despite having a

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Speaker 1: dentist support here.

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Speaker 3: Thank you Katie, and I've only wiped a couple of times,

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Speaker 3: so i haven't been dribbling too much but hopefully, But just

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Speaker 3: for the guys and girls out there and now in

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Speaker 3: our blue uniform, we take our hats off to every

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Speaker 3: day you keep doing an amazing job under the circumstances.

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Speaker 3: We are getting there. You're seeing the numbers of the

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Speaker 3: amount of support coming from the government to extra resources.

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Speaker 3: We're going to hopefully hang in there. We'll try and

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Speaker 3: help you the best we can to get through this process.

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Speaker 2: Good on your fiddy. Thank you as always, Thank you,

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Speaker 2: Thank you,