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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Georgie Stevenson, and this is the Rise

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Speaker 1: so guys, sorry, let's backtrack. Holy welcome to the RNC podcast.

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Speaker 1: So incredible. Can I just say, when you know Ivy

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Speaker 2: Oh I can't handle that. Oh you'll get me crying big. No, truly, Gal,

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Speaker 2: I feel the same about you. I was, you know,

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Speaker 2: Thanks Gal, Yeah, look for me. It's such an interesting

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Speaker 1: themes of freedom, flexibility, yeah, well being like all so

432
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:42,159
Speaker 1: much the same that I love it. It's so incredible

433
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 1: mirrors our mirrors. I love that so much. I also

434
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,640
Speaker 1: something I loved the book because I feel like it

435
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 1: was something running in my head and you just define

436
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 1: it so well. So the concept of martyrdom, which is

437
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:02,919
Speaker 1: often you know when women they have to, you know,

438
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:07,400
Speaker 1: fall in the trap of doing everything for everyone, and

439
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:09,919
Speaker 1: I feel like I had this in my head and

440
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 1: then I read in the book. I was like, there's

441
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 1: an actual term. This is amazing.

442
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, martyrdom is huge and you know what it's

443
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 2: so it was uncomfortable for me to read back as

444
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,680
Speaker 2: a new mother who was in the trenches of martyrdom,

445
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 2: because I like the pre motherhood version of me was

446
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,399
Speaker 2: calling myself out. And I tell you what, there was

447
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 2: actually this really awkward phase where I was editing the book,

448
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 2: going okay, but this isn't talking about new mums, because

449
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 2: that's all well and good for you to say, childless Holly.

450
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 2: But you know, I fully triggered myself. But then I

451
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 2: sat with it and I went, no, actually, there's so

452
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 2: much validity in it. Why do we need to repeat

453
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,160
Speaker 2: the patterns of you know, our mothers and their mothers

454
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:56,399
Speaker 2: of this, you know, almost victim mind set around the

455
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 2: world is on the way to the world is on

456
00:24:57,880 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 2: my shoulders and no one can help me. And that's

457
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 2: what I feel is the basis for martyrdom is not

458
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:07,439
Speaker 2: accepting help and not asking for help. And it's something

459
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:12,640
Speaker 2: that's really humbling, especially when you transition into something like motherhood,

460
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 2: But it doesn't have to be motherhood. It could be

461
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,959
Speaker 2: any life transition where you realize you actually don't have

462
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,120
Speaker 2: to do it on your own and you can ask

463
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,920
Speaker 2: for help. And what role are you playing in creating

464
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,399
Speaker 2: that martyrdom complex where you're not asking for help and

465
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 2: you're feeling like you have to do it all on

466
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 2: your own. And that was where I had to lovingly

467
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 2: call myself into Holly, where do you actually need help

468
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 2: right now? And you know that's in a multitude of ways.

469
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 2: That could be more kinesiology sessions or sitting down with

470
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 2: a talk therapist, or that could literally me my mom

471
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 2: doesn't live close but ringing her and saying, Mom, I

472
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 2: need you to come up for two weeks because I'm

473
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 2: struggling at the moment.

474
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 3: You know.

475
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 2: So that when we're living from a place of martyrdom,

476
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 2: that's when we're more inclined to put other people before

477
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 2: ourselves because already we're running on empty, we're not choosing ourselves.

478
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 2: When we're asking for help and accepting help, we're going

479
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 2: to feel more nourished and more overflowing, so that then

480
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 2: we can give to others from a place of yeah

481
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 2: fulfilm in and overflow and also know when to say no, Actually,

482
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 2: I've got enough on my plate right now, and I'm

483
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 2: looking after me.

484
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 1: I love it so much. And I was actually having

485
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 1: a conversation with my girlfriend on the weekend, and you know,

486
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 1: she was saying how she really wanted some more help

487
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:28,919
Speaker 1: with her girls and so sad her mom, you know,

488
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 1: passed away when she was a teenager. So that was

489
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 1: atn Avenue. But her partner's mom didn't really offer too much.

490
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,640
Speaker 1: And that's what I said to her. I was like, well,

491
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 1: you've got to ask, and like, you know, because I

492
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 1: think she had asked a couple of times and she

493
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,880
Speaker 1: was busy, and I'm like, yeah, you've got to keep

494
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 1: asking or You've got to then be like all right,

495
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,439
Speaker 1: well then are you free you know this day and

496
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 1: really just like plug it in and take that. You know,

497
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,679
Speaker 1: I want to use the word like responsibility of I

498
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 1: do need help and I am going to ask. And

499
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,399
Speaker 1: then after our conversation, afters we you know, w always

500
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: reflect and have some takeaways and she's like, yeah, and

501
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: I am going to ask for more help because like

502
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: I'm not going to keep sitting in this. Yeah, very

503
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 1: victim of poor me and then I'm so stressed, and

504
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 1: then I get angry at my husband and this and

505
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:17,120
Speaker 1: this and this.

506
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 2: Sousa, Yeah, exactly right, exactly, And we've got to almost

507
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 2: like eradicate this burden mentality we have around asking for help,

508
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 2: because you know what, when there's someone in my life

509
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 2: that comes to me and asks for help, when I'm

510
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 2: feeling fulfilled in my life, of course, like I want

511
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 2: to help my friends, I want to help my family.

512
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 2: Like it's not like I'm going to go absolutely not

513
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 2: like I'm never going to be available to help. People

514
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 2: for the most part want to. But we're not mind readers.

515
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 2: And I think that that's where a lot of the

516
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 2: kind people please a complex can come in, where we

517
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,719
Speaker 2: expect people to know what we need and know what

518
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 2: we want, but we haven't actually claimed it. So we're

519
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 2: just expecting them to know because it's what we're experiencing.

520
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 2: But a lot of the time people are so preoccupied

521
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 2: with their own lives they forget, We forget to check in,

522
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 2: we forget to follow up, we forget to ask if

523
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 2: you need to help. We've got to take that initial start.

524
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,479
Speaker 1: And it's funny. Just one more point on that, I

525
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 1: was having another conversation with a girlfriend and again you know,

526
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: in the motherhood realm, and she was saying, she's got

527
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: over a beautiful eight month old, so she you know,

528
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: she's still kind of in those trenches. And she was

529
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 1: just going through a bit of a phase where she

530
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: felt like she had no her time, and you know,

531
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: it was kind of she was kind of saying, oh,

532
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 1: but she wished her partner gave her, I guess more

533
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 1: permission and was like, you should go to the gym,

534
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: you should do this. And I kind of turned around

535
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: and gave her some like, you know, really beautiful tough love,

536
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: and I said, why does he have to say that

537
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 1: to you, Like he he's probably dealing with new fatherhood,

538
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: like he's in his own mind so you know, wrapped

539
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 1: up and it's not me taking sights or anything. But

540
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: I was like, you need to advocate for yourself and

541
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: take away this guilt of because I said, I used

542
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: to feel it too. And I had the exact same

543
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: thoughts with Tim where I was, you know, work back

544
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: working full time doing IVY when I got home and

545
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: then I had you know, no weekends and no time

546
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: for myself, and then I wanted him to be like

547
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: maybe you should go and do this. And then it

548
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: wasn't until I took the step and was like, oh, no,

549
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 1: I need to do this to myself and I don't

550
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: need him to give me permission, and I'm just gonna

551
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 1: ask him. And then it felt like a weight lifted

552
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 1: off both our shoulders.

553
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 2: Because you're also then giving tim and like for me

554
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 2: with Trent, it's the same when we choose ourselves, we're

555
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 2: giving them permission to choose themselves. So it actually took

556
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 2: Trent a long time to follow suit. I've been pretty

557
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 2: good in saying I need my time and this is

558
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 2: how it's going to look for me. But for Trenny,

559
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 2: he was really taking it on as his responsibility was

560
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 2: to just be on it in dad mode or work

561
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 2: mode all the time. And he got to breaking point

562
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 2: and I said, you've got to choose you. I can't

563
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 2: choose you for you, but I don't want happening. Yeah,

564
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 2: I want you to choose you because you're you're the

565
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 2: better version of yourself when you do, and we all benefit.

566
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 2: So it's been in necessary shift and a really powerful

567
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 2: one in our family dynamic to see as well.

568
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: M I love that and yeah, I just the whole

569
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: thing of like not giving someone else your power, of

570
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 1: them having to give you permission was a huge shift

571
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: for me. And once she realized that too, she was like,

572
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I can't believe I was doing that.

573
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 2: So just take your power back. It's the most liberating feeling.

574
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 4: Yes.

575
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 1: And then also a part I loved in your book.

576
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 1: I just i'd never like unpacked it this way, but

577
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: you spoke about selfish stories and like reframing what selfish

578
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: means to us. Can you share on this?

579
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I pulled the actual dictionary meaning of selfishness

580
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 2: and capture that in the b And because a big

581
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 2: objection that I see when it comes to, you know,

582
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 2: choosing yourself and putting yourself first, is well, that makes

583
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 2: me selfish. And it's like, okay, well let's unpack what

584
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 2: selfishness actually means. I'm big on words and their meaning

585
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 2: because words shape lives. Like we use our words, that

586
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 2: creates our reality. And so the definition of selfish alludes

587
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 2: to at the cost of someone else, like with ill intent,

588
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 2: with malice. So you're doing something and you're going out

589
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 2: of your way to basically mess with another person when

590
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 2: you're choosing yourself you know, when you're saying no, I

591
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 2: can't help because my cup isn't I need to fill

592
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 2: myself up, that's actually not selfishness.

593
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: It's not you're not doing that to.

594
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 2: Hurt another person. Although it might make other people uncomfortable,

595
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 2: that's not your intent. You're choosing you for you. And

596
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 2: I think when we start to unravel from these stories

597
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 2: and these objections and actually look at them plain as day.

598
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 2: There are a few of them in the book, I

599
00:31:56,520 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 2: speak about using the word mpath as almost like escape

600
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 2: goat to your people pleasing behaviors. It's like, no, let's

601
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 2: look at what these words actually mean and call ourselves

602
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 2: out on misusing them. So you're putting yourself first. Doesn't

603
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 2: define you as selfish unless you're putting yourself first to

604
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,959
Speaker 2: upset other people, which just won't happen. It's just not

605
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 2: unless you're crazy, Like it's just not gonna happen.

606
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: Where's you're a psychopath? I loved this so much, and

607
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: again it was like so liberating, and I think it

608
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 1: is so important to really check in with the language

609
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 1: we're using. So I love that you touched on that,

610
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: and even again, like I went through this weird stage

611
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: where I felt like I couldn't do anything for myself

612
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: on the weekends, and I felt really selfish because you know,

613
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: I worked during the week and then the weekends was

614
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: for Ivy. But if I did something for myself up,

615
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, but it's selfish. And literally that

616
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: part of the book completely called me out, and I

617
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: was like, there is no me going to get a

618
00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: massage on Sunday. There's no ill attent intent. Sorry, and

619
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 1: like Ivy's at home with Tim, her you know, favorite person,

620
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: So there's there's nothing but luck here, Like why would

621
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: I do that? And then be you know, resentful, be

622
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: like I've got no time, or feel really like low

623
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: in myself, And it's yeah, giving yourself that permission, being like, no,

624
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: that's not even in my vocab, it's not even in

625
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: my voecab.

626
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 2: And it's it's just an opportunity to redefine what you

627
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 2: make words mean versus what they actually mean, which is huge.

628
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 2: And yeah, Ivy's probably having the best time ever and

629
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 2: doesn't even realize, like I know, my little girl's the

630
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 2: same thing. Doesn't even care when I leave and I

631
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 2: come back and I'm more present with her. She's got

632
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 2: the flame player outside, but that's okay. Dad's with her

633
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 2: like carrying out.

634
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: There, right.

635
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 2: No, I am more present with her when I've gone

636
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 2: for the massage, when I've sat in the tea ceremony,

637
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 2: when I've sat with my journal, and everyone benefits. I'm

638
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 2: nicer to Trent, I'm nicer to our dogs. Like everyone

639
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 2: wins include.

640
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: Me, you know, so important. That was just like that

641
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 1: was a huge moment for me in the book, and

642
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 1: since then, it's actually funny, I've been really auditing like

643
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 1: my language and how I speak, with my internal dialogue

644
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: because it's not like I was going around calling myself selfish.

645
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: It was internal. But yeah, once I actually checked, I

646
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: was like, oh wow, that's no, we're not doing this right.

647
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 2: And then if we're if we are doing that, then

648
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 2: we're also and I touch on this in the book,

649
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 2: the lowest vibrations, right that we can emulate our shame

650
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 2: and guilt. So we're calling ourselves selfish, we're feeling shameful

651
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 2: about that, and we're feeling guilty, and so they are

652
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,399
Speaker 2: the vibrations we're carrying around day to day, week to week,

653
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 2: month to month. No wonder we feel tired, No wonder

654
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 2: we feel resemble no wonder we think the world's out

655
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 2: to get us, because that is what we're perpetuating in

656
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 2: our lives. And it doesn't mean that we don't have

657
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 2: those moments. We're human. But exactly what you're doing, Georgie,

658
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,800
Speaker 2: you're catching yourself in those moments now and going, Okay,

659
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 2: I'm choosing something else, even in the discomfort of that,

660
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 2: knowing the ripple effects that will have on you and

661
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 2: your family.

662
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and just yeah, I love that you said that,

663
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: because I do want to completely promise that with saying

664
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: I still get those moments and I still you know,

665
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: feel those feelings, but then in that moment, I'm going, oh,

666
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: I know what's happening here, awareness, and I'm choosing a

667
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: new story, And yeah, I'm not staying in that frequency

668
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 1: exactly right.

669
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,439
Speaker 2: And I even say this at the end of the book.

670
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 2: It's like, I still relate to being a people pleaser,

671
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 2: not as anywhere near as much as I used to,

672
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 2: by the way, But it's not something that goes away entirely.

673
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 2: It's just something we're constantly working toward. And awareness is key.

674
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 2: If we can catch ourselves out more frequently in the

675
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 2: ingrained behaviors and the societal expectations that are placed on

676
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 2: us and choose ourselves anyway. Then we'll find that those

677
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 2: choices are going to be less intense and less parder

678
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 2: for our nervous system to handle. They'll become more easeful.

679
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 1: Huge moment. I would love to talk about again something

680
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,800
Speaker 1: that you know, you call in the book energetic hytiene

681
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: and how we can really identify like energetic exhaustion and

682
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: those sorts of things, because again I was like, oh,

683
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: this is such an amazing concept where where you understand it,

684
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: you're able to navigate this.

685
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 2: Yes, so, and this is why you know, it's a

686
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 2: book on people pleasing, but there's a chapter on energy

687
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,720
Speaker 2: and there's a chapter on intuition because it's so part

688
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 2: of it. And energy for me is well for everyone,

689
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 2: it's everything firstly, But when it comes to people pleasing behaviors,

690
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 2: if we are acting from a place of disconnect with

691
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,879
Speaker 2: our own energetic well being and our relationship with our

692
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 2: energy center, then we are more inclined to choose other

693
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 2: people before ourselves because what we're saying in those choices is, well,

694
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 2: what you need from me is more important than what

695
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 2: I need from me. So it's really key that we

696
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,399
Speaker 2: get clear on when we're doing that, and we get

697
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 2: clear on that by deciphering when our energy is running low.

698
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,959
Speaker 2: And I take you through a process in the book

699
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:08,879
Speaker 2: where you can start to get clear on what your

700
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 2: energetic yes is and what your energetic no is, and

701
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 2: when you're acting from that place of no, you're more

702
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 2: likely to feel a spiral in your energetic well being.

703
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 2: And I go through you know, all sorts of symptoms

704
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 2: and ways that this can show up for me personally.

705
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 2: If I've said yes to I don't know, a catch

706
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 2: up with someone that I know actually really drains my energy.

707
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 2: Hello people, pleaser, I know that I'll start to feel

708
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 2: like more lethargic in my body. My limbs will feel heavy,

709
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:41,760
Speaker 2: I'll probably get a niggle in my throat. My body's

710
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 2: sending me all the signs that's off I am. Yeah,

711
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 2: I'm probably talking faster than I usually do. I'm less grounded.

712
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 2: And once you become aware of those things, you can identify, Okay,

713
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 2: my energy is way off in this decision. Let's use

714
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,760
Speaker 2: some energetic hygiene techniques to get back into a place

715
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 2: of clear energy so that I'm making choices from that

716
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 2: place it's honestly such a game changer, Georgie, not just

717
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 2: when it comes to putting yourself first and people pleasing,

718
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 2: but literally to how you live your life. If you

719
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 2: have a deep knowing of your energetic well being and

720
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 2: how to bring yourself into energetic alignment, everything shifts like

721
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 2: game changer.

722
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 1: And like, could you give us an example of like

723
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: a tactic you will do?

724
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, so something that and I run through these in

725
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 2: the book as well. I'm big on support from energetic practitioners,

726
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 2: so it's not just me. I do know how to

727
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 2: do things like self muscle testing, which is what kinesiologists use,

728
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 2: and I can clear myself, but I actually prefer to

729
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 2: book in for a reiki session see a kinesiologist. You know,

730
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 2: I've got all the mists, I've got the smoking tools

731
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 2: and eldging tools. I meditate every day. All of those

732
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:58,760
Speaker 2: are my foundational tools for energetic alignment, like my non negotiables,

733
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 2: definitely metation, definitely some sort of sprits and missed. But

734
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 2: getting that additional support from practitioners outside of just me

735
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 2: has been paramount when it comes to my own energetic

736
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 2: hygiene and how I look after myself in that way.

737
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 1: I love that so much. I've actually recently been getting

738
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 1: a weekly massage which she always finishes with some energy

739
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 1: healing and life changing life Jay. It was like, how

740
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: have I never done this before? And it's so incredible.

741
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: I always leave like a lighter, amazing, just feeling so good,

742
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:40,399
Speaker 1: just going back on like the energetic hygiene. I love

743
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: this so much because I had this huge aha moment

744
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:47,879
Speaker 1: last year where like a key thing that happened last

745
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: year was because I knew and I'm a control break.

746
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 1: I knew like most people listening to this podcast, because

747
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: I knew how you know the year was going to

748
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 1: go in regards to not knowing because I was a

749
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 1: new mum. I then went and planned all these work

750
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 1: things so I could know exactly what was going to

751
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 1: happen in work. So reflecting it was my way of

752
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 1: coping with not knowing how motherhood was going to go,

753
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 1: because at least I knew how my work year was

754
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 1: going to go.

755
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 2: If that makes sense death, it does.

756
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 1: And I didn't realize this until the end of last year,

757
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 1: but then something happened towards you and I realized this

758
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:33,800
Speaker 1: and I was like, Okay, next year's going to be different.

759
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 1: I'm not going to book things in I need to

760
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 1: surrender more. It's not a vibe. And then one last

761
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,839
Speaker 1: thing happened where I said yes to and you know,

762
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: a situation that I really did not want to but

763
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 1: it was a people pleasing, loved this person sort of situation.

764
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: Even saying it, I knew energetically it was like it

765
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:56,399
Speaker 1: was screaming no, and then I said yes, I still went.

766
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,320
Speaker 1: And I remember that day no joke.

767
00:40:59,360 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 2: Like.

768
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: Was a basket case to be you know, like energetically,

769
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 1: I remember waking up and just crying to Tim and

770
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: feeling so angry at myself, so drained, so defeated, so

771
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 1: not integral with who I was, and just completely like

772
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 1: my body was just screaming at me like how you

773
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: wow totally And that's when I was like, no, twenty

774
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 1: twenty three is the year of And I told, you know,

775
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 1: my team, I told everyone, if it's not a hell yes,

776
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: it's no, like we're not doing that because I could

777
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:41,720
Speaker 1: just feel like such a lag of all the things

778
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,839
Speaker 1: that I said yes to when I did not check

779
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: in with myself, and yeah, it was it was this

780
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 1: overwhelming feeling like I everyone was against me and the

781
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: world was so heavy in all these things, and as

782
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: soon as I like left that in last year, this

783
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: year has just felt so different and just so high.

784
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, exactly. Well it's that culmination of say, like

785
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 2: your shoulds versus your wants, which I talk about oh

786
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 2: I should do that versus I really want to do that,

787
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 2: and then your life force is just completely sapped and

788
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 2: every time you're saying yes when you want to be

789
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 2: saying no, there's there goes more of your life force

790
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 2: until exactly what happened to you happen where you've just

791
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 2: got nothing left to give and you're forced to pick

792
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:29,479
Speaker 2: up your pieces again. So yeah, I'm glad it's feeling

793
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 2: light for you this year, and definitely the same thing

794
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 2: for me happened, and I'm this year feels so different.

795
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, sometimes you need those moments to be like oh

796
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: wait home, Yeah exactly, I remember again home, Okay, I'm

797
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 1: back and again. Well, let's let's switch gears and really

798
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 1: get into like I feel like everyone who is a

799
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: people pleaser, this is a huge and probably the most

800
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 1: important thing. Let's talk boundaries.

801
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, how do we create boundaries?

802
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: How do we stick to them?

803
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 2: Tell us? Oh my gosh, it is the hardest pieces.

804
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 2: Why it's the last chapter in the book, and do

805
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 2: you know what's really hectic. I don't know if you've

806
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 2: spoken to anyone else who's written book like in this way.

807
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 2: But what happens is the book initiates you. So you

808
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 2: can't just write the thing in the book and then

809
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 2: be like, I don't need to do that because you

810
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 2: know whatever, I'll just teach it. The book goes, oh,

811
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 2: you're talking about boundaries, Well, let's start to bring some

812
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 2: experiences into your life where you have to put what

813
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 2: you wrote into practice. So last year for me, it

814
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 2: was like solid boundary overload. I feel like I've graduated

815
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 2: boundary school for behaviors. But one analogy that I use

816
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 2: in the book, and it's a really good one, is

817
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 2: the analogy around the keys to your home. And so

818
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 2: if you consider your energy and access to your energy

819
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 2: as if it were your home, you are not going

820
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 2: to go around and give every single person that you

821
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 2: meet in your life a key to the front door.

822
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 2: It's crazy and ludicrous and unsafe. So the same goes

823
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 2: for access to you and your time and your energy,

824
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,879
Speaker 2: your friendship, whatever that thing is. To assert boundaries first

825
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 2: you've got to get clear on who has access to

826
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 2: all of you and who doesn't. And it's kind of

827
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 2: like a phasing out, and there's a tiered phase that

828
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 2: can happen where you know there are going to be

829
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 2: people in your life that have access to parts of

830
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 2: your life, but not all of them. There are going

831
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 2: to be people in your life that don't have access

832
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 2: to any of those parts, and boundaries for me are

833
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 2: now around where do those access points come in and

834
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 2: how do I lovingly create very clear understanding with people

835
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 2: in my life what they do and don't have access to.

836
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 2: So some examples are, you know, I have an out

837
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 2: of office on my email that shares all of the

838
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 2: ways that people can get in touch with me, but

839
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 2: also that I am a stay at home mum as well,

840
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 2: and so they're not going to get a twenty four

841
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 2: hour response time for me. Like, hyper availability is a

842
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 2: huge overriding of boundaries. If we're constantly in our DMS

843
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 2: replying to every message that comes through. Whether you have

844
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 2: a big community or not, it could just be your

845
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 2: friends in the WhatsApp group. If we're hyper available and

846
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 2: picking our phone up every second something's coming through, we're

847
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 2: not creating boundaries around our accessibility and so I mean,

848
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 2: there's incredible functions on our phones that are like the

849
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 2: focus mode and do not disturb in all of those things,

850
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 2: but even down to really clearly expressing to people in

851
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 2: our lives. There are some examples in the book, like

852
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 2: a friend contacting me and saying, do you have the

853
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 2: bandwidth for an emotional vent right now? And if you don't,

854
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 2: saying no, like it's literally ugly, No, I actually don't,

855
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 2: but I'll call you at a time that feels good

856
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 2: house next week. You know, I'm also really good And no,

857
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 2: everyone's not going to agree with this, but I flag

858
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 2: phone calls like my dad could be calling me, and

859
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 2: I'll look at it and go, I just don't have

860
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 2: the capacity for that call right now. I'll send them

861
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 2: a text and give him a call back in a

862
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 2: day or two. You know, it's and everyone's boundaries are

863
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 2: going to be different. The first point is getting clear

864
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 2: on what feels good for you and then actually communicating it,

865
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 2: which is the hardest piece when it comes to you know,

866
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,839
Speaker 2: there are going to be some potentially challenging conversations when

867
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,760
Speaker 2: you're showing up with someone in a new way and saying,

868
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 2: you know, I'm actually not available for that. If they're

869
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,320
Speaker 2: used to your hyper availability, there's going to be a

870
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 2: tension point. But that's where changes create it. And there's

871
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 2: that quote. What is it. It's something like, the people

872
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 2: who aren't appreciative of your new boundaries are the people

873
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 2: that were taking advantage of them in the first place.

874
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 2: So for the most part, in the implementation of these

875
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 2: new boundaries in my life, I haven't actually lost any

876
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 2: friends or family or loved ones. Mostly everyone's gone, oh cool,

877
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 2: I'm going to start to implement these in my life

878
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 2: as well. So it's a case of being the example

879
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 2: a bit too.

880
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 1: I love it so much, and I think it was

881
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: really beautiful for me to read that in the book,

882
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 1: because like even that word of like accessibility, I think

883
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 1: is sometimes you just you don't think about it. And

884
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 1: it's funny because I used to have some weird feelings

885
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: around the fact that I, you know, I was that

886
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 1: friend who wouldn't get back to you for a couple

887
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 1: of days, or I would screen my parents' calls or like,

888
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 1: you know, different stuff like that, and it was I

889
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 1: kind of wore a bit of you know, shame around

890
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: that because it was I was so busy, but I

891
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 1: was also really good with my boundaries of this is

892
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: actually not you know what I can do right now,

893
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 1: so I'll take you back in a couple of days.

894
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: No one was really you know, I guess modeling that

895
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 1: for me. So it always felt like, you know, I

896
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 1: was like, you know, a bitch, or I'm too important

897
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 1: for them, or like you know, these weird things that

898
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 1: I would then have to you know, reshape it in

899
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,280
Speaker 1: my mind. So you know, when I was reading this chapter,

900
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, this is you know,

901
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 1: I've I've been doing this for quite a while, and

902
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 1: I think so many people can benefit in not being

903
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: accessible all the time. Like it's impossible, you say that, Yeah, yeah,

904
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:54,839
Speaker 1: this is no wonder.

905
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:58,399
Speaker 2: We're all burned out and on like magnesium supplements through

906
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 2: the roof because we're just not We're not How can

907
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 2: we possibly wind down if we're constantly available. It's just

908
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 2: impossible to keep up with Yeah.

909
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's even like I have this new thing

910
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 1: that I'm doing on my emails where I look at

911
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:16,919
Speaker 1: my emails for an hour max, you know, every day

912
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 1: or every day or two, and it's a designated spot

913
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 1: in my calendar and I go through, I flag I FAWD,

914
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 1: and then that's it. I'm not checking my emails. Like

915
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 1: just because you sent me an email, a text or

916
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 1: call me because you know you want something or you

917
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: know whatever, that doesn't mean yeah, I'm available. And I

918
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:39,959
Speaker 1: think when you put those boundaries in and you stick

919
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 1: to them, it feels really good because a lot of

920
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,240
Speaker 1: the time, too, I realize how much time I was wasting,

921
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:49,919
Speaker 1: you know, just checking emails or deleting emails or doing

922
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 1: these things where I was making myself accessible and almost

923
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 1: like you know, a slave to my inbox, where I

924
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 1: was like, this actually is not productive or important and

925
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: I don't have to be available twenty four hours exactly.

926
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 2: And I think the discomfort also comes from the fact

927
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 2: that it's societally expected for us to be in this

928
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:10,800
Speaker 2: backlog of emails and to be constantly available, and because

929
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 2: that's how the majority live. I remember there was a

930
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 2: little instamm doing the rounds last year that was around

931
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 2: someone's out of office that was like, I only access

932
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 2: my emails between these times. And it can almost have

933
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,839
Speaker 2: that eye roll effect where people are like, oh, it's

934
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 2: nice for some, but it's like, but what would it

935
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 2: be like if that was actually something that you could

936
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 2: start to implement, how would that change your day? How

937
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 2: would that change your nervous system? And what example is

938
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 2: that setting for the people receiving that as a result,

939
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 2: And it's only going to be positive. We're going to

940
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 2: be more present as well. That's the other thing. Like

941
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 2: my people in my life know if I've answered their call,

942
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 2: they're getting all of me. They're not getting a destructive may,

943
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 2: not getting a me quickly squeezing it in. It's like

944
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 2: Holly's here because she's got the energy in the time

945
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 2: to have this conversation. And what a nice example to

946
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 2: set for the people in your life to know that

947
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, I know.

948
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: I was having a convo with my girlfriend because she's like,

949
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 1: She's like, it's so weird because you only ever text

950
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 1: me late at night. But then like I see you

951
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 1: on social media all day, like are you ignoring me

952
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: through the day? And I was like, oh no, My

953
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 1: assistant posts my social media posts during the day that

954
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 1: I have prepared earlier, and then I on you look

955
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: at my personal text messages at night because that's when

956
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 1: I actually have time for you. I'm not going to

957
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: look at your beautiful personal message during the day between meetings,

958
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 1: get distracted and not give you my energy. I'm gonna

959
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 1: wait for a time where I actually can give you

960
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 1: that love and energy that you deserve. So that's why

961
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,799
Speaker 1: I text you late at night, like it's you know,

962
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 1: what you see on social media is not necessarily your accessibility,

963
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 1: if that makes sense.

964
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. It's you choosing when you are focused

965
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 2: and present. And I mean, gal, there are days weeks

966
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 2: that I go by not replying to a friend, and

967
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 2: it is around this. It's a reconstruction of that high

968
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 2: per availability concept because we're all burning ourselves out with

969
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 2: this expectation. And I know, on the receiving end, if

970
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 2: it takes a friend for the most part, you know,

971
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 2: give or take. If it takes a friend a few

972
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:20,879
Speaker 2: days to reply, I'm not batting an eyelid because I've

973
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 2: got life going on anyway, you know. So yeah, it's

974
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 2: like I've got things. Oh cool, you forgot to reply.

975
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:28,879
Speaker 2: That's fine, it's all good. And if we can start

976
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:32,280
Speaker 2: to develop that in our friendships more, oh my gosh,

977
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 2: the pressure, but it will alleviate. My favorite friendships are

978
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 2: the ones where it's like, oh, it's been a couple

979
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 2: of weeks, it's like, oh, it's all good. Life happens,

980
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 2: you know, no expectation. It feels like it's just a

981
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:45,399
Speaker 2: settling in the nervous system when you're not showing up

982
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 2: for that place of expectation and urgency as opposed to

983
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 2: when you have the space to be fully present and

984
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 2: with them. Yeah, it's huge.

985
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,240
Speaker 1: And then even going back to you know, people pleasing

986
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 1: and their boundaries of even me and my best friend

987
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,879
Speaker 1: were chatting about last year, we probably only saw each

988
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: other maybe three times in the whole year where it

989
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 1: was a one on one situation, and that was because

990
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:13,959
Speaker 1: you know, it's that friendship where it is very deep

991
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 1: and it is very you know connecting, and if I

992
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 1: did not have the capacity for it, I would just

993
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 1: be like, look, I just need it. And I also

994
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 1: know my energy gets recharged by myself, so I'd be like, look,

995
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 1: I just need some time by myself. Let's rain check.

996
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:31,839
Speaker 1: And she had no worries with that. And it's not

997
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 1: like we felt like our friendship you know, wasn't strong.

998
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,439
Speaker 1: It was stronger than ever. But it's like those three

999
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 1: days were so you know, impactful, and we were so

1000
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:43,760
Speaker 1: there and we're so connected. That's so much more important

1001
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 1: than you know, you know, five to fifteen I just

1002
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:48,760
Speaker 1: random frantic visits, if.

1003
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 2: That one percent. And there is a chapter on friendships

1004
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 2: and connection in the book as well as a whole

1005
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 2: section on it where it's it is this piece around

1006
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 2: what friendships grow and evolve with you as you grow

1007
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 2: and evolve, as you implement these boundaries, as you make

1008
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 2: these choices, and you know, we come from this mentality

1009
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 2: of friends forever, and that's just not the case, and

1010
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 2: that it doesn't mean that there needs to be constant

1011
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 2: conflict or falling out. It's just that I talk about

1012
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 2: it in the book. You know, who are your seasons,

1013
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 2: who are your reasons, and who are your lifetimes? And

1014
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 2: how can you grow and evolve with each of those

1015
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 2: with a real love and reverence for every person that's

1016
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 2: shown up in your life. But also the expectation that

1017
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:30,359
Speaker 2: we place on people to be there for us all

1018
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:34,359
Speaker 2: the time is what fuels that people pleasing behavior, because

1019
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 2: it's like, well, why didn't you choose me when I

1020
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 2: needed you? And perhaps that person was choosing themselves. And

1021
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 2: it's an alleviation of I write in the book that

1022
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 2: expectation is important because it does at times lead to disappointment.

1023
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:52,320
Speaker 2: But disappointment is important because when we're looking at our friendships,

1024
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:55,399
Speaker 2: then we can go, Okay, why am I feeling disappointed?

1025
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 2: And wasn't an expectation that was unfair that I was

1026
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 2: placing on this friendship all this person or is there

1027
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 2: a values mismatch here? And maybe it's time to lovingly

1028
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 2: create some distance in that connection.

1029
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 1: Wow, that is so powerful and I even love like

1030
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:16,840
Speaker 1: that's something you've got to check in and that's something

1031
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 1: you've got to like order and have a look at,

1032
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 1: because otherwise you are going to have Yeah, like you said,

1033
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 1: like a mismatch, and I think it's really beautiful in

1034
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 1: the book, how you do describe like there are friends

1035
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 1: where it's just a season And I think also, you know,

1036
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 1: I know in the book you were saying, like your

1037
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 1: lifelong friends, what do you call them? Lifers?

1038
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:37,840
Speaker 2: Life is yeah?

1039
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 1: Life, Your life is like I have life of friends.

1040
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 1: We're still we we have seasons where we don't see

1041
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 1: each other and it's it's fine. There's not literally something.

1042
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 2: We're neutral. We're neutral. That's my favorite Georgie, because it's

1043
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 2: like when you patch up you get the connection, you get,

1044
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 2: you receive it, and then you know most of my

1045
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 2: we moved up to the Northern Rivers after born and

1046
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:06,319
Speaker 2: raised Sydney, right, so I've been up here two and

1047
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:10,399
Speaker 2: a half years. I was pregnant during COVID and none

1048
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:12,319
Speaker 2: of my best friends saw me pregnant, none of them

1049
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 2: because they were all in Sydney, and so there, you know,

1050
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:19,360
Speaker 2: I haven't seen my favorite people in the world majority

1051
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 2: of pregnancy in new motherhood, and yet we're still as

1052
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 2: solid as ever because we have that foundation of oh,

1053
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 2: we're in this life like it's a given. There's no

1054
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:32,359
Speaker 2: expectations in terms of hyper availability, and when we do

1055
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 2: see each other, it's like we cry and it's the

1056
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 2: most beautiful connection and I get feel from that, and

1057
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 2: then you know, I've got new connection up here, which

1058
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 2: is also amazing and feels a different desire that I

1059
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 2: have in terms of community, and we really do need

1060
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 2: to get here on not placing the expectation that every

1061
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:55,360
Speaker 2: friend is everything for us and actually having the friends

1062
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 2: that feel certain components of our lives in different ways.

1063
00:55:58,480 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 2: It becomes a lot easier that way.

1064
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 1: Oh Holly, this has just been the most amazing chat

1065
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 1: you completely fill up my car, Like I just feel

1066
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:10,879
Speaker 1: so warm and fuzzy after this conversation, and I bet

1067
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 1: my community does as well. So thank you so much

1068
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 1: for giving us so much information and helping us, you know,

1069
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 1: really be a bit stronger in our boundaries and realize

1070
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:25,359
Speaker 1: where we can, you know, maybe stop people pleasing and

1071
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:27,840
Speaker 1: really lock in how we can do things for ourselves.

1072
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:29,319
Speaker 1: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Oh, thank you for having me. It's been so so

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Speaker 2: nice to chat.

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Speaker 1: Before you go, though, two quick questions. This is who

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Speaker 1: I ask all my guests. So what is the best

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Speaker 1: advice you have ever received?

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Speaker 2: I feel like it's not even going to be a

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Speaker 2: surprise now, but it's from my parents, and it is

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Speaker 2: just do what makes you happy. And they've always said

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Speaker 2: that since I was little, little little, There's been never

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Speaker 2: any expectation on a certain career or a certain way

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Speaker 2: that I live my life. It's what makes you happy,

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Speaker 2: as long as you're a kind person, do that, and

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Speaker 2: that has definitely been what's led me down the path

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Speaker 2: that I'm at today. It's very very grateful for that advice.

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Speaker 2: They are going to be shook by the way that

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Speaker 2: I reference them. They're going to be like, we gave

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Speaker 2: you the best advice, but it's true, it's true. Just

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Speaker 2: do what makes you happy. Yeah, follow happiness.

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Speaker 1: That is incredible. Oh my god, they sound so sweet.

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Speaker 1: And my last question, I feel like I don't need to,

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Speaker 1: you know, explain this to you, but what is a

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Speaker 1: core belief that you hold close to your heart that

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Speaker 1: has really been techral with who you are?

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Speaker 2: So my very first vision board I created, I was sixteen,

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Speaker 2: so that's almost almost twenty years ago, ik and on

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Speaker 2: it in the center was a quote that I lived

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Speaker 2: my life by to this day, and it's by Laotsu

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Speaker 2: and the quote is the journey of one thousand miles

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Speaker 2: begins with a single step. And that has been a

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Speaker 2: reference point that I come back to consistently, like not

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Speaker 2: even just annually, it's like every moment, it's what is

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Speaker 2: one step I can take in my journey that's leading

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Speaker 2: me down the path that I desire to walk. And

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Speaker 2: when I look back on that sixteen year old version

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Speaker 2: of me that placed that quote on her first vision board,

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Speaker 2: it's like all of those incremental steps I've taken since

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Speaker 2: them have led me down the most incredible path. Imagine

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Speaker 2: where I'm going to be twenty years from now, following

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Speaker 2: that quote at the forefront. So it's definitely a core

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Speaker 2: belief that's held me strong in yeah, walking the way

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Speaker 2: that I do today.

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Speaker 1: Oh, oh my god, that is incredible. Thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for sharing that with us. And where can everyone

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Speaker 1: find you? Where can they get the book?

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Speaker 2: All the things? Oh? Thanks Gal. Well, I'm definitely most

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Speaker 2: active over on Insta, so you can follow me Holly

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Speaker 2: underscore as a party and you can find the book.

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Speaker 2: It's very it's like very surreal. But you can find

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Speaker 2: it in any of your favorite bookstores. It's on book Topia,

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Speaker 2: it's in Kmart, it's in Big w and it'll stand

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Speaker 2: out because it's bright orange and pink and yellow and

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Speaker 2: all of the fun colors. So yeah, you can check

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Speaker 2: it out. It's all R and c's favorite colors. I'm

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Speaker 2: on brand. I love it.

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Speaker 1: You're so brand for this interview, Holly. Thank you so much. Guys,

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Speaker 1: make sure you go check out the book by it.

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Speaker 1: It's honestly incredible. It's such an amazing read. And thank

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Speaker 1: you so much, Holly. It has been such a pleasure.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Georgie, thank you so much for listening to another episode

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Speaker 1: of the Rise and Conker Podcast. If you enjoyed it

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