Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken.
Speaker 2: It's your dose of the hottest influencer and pop culture
Speaker 2: news twice a week. I'm Sophie Torber and coming up
Speaker 2: on today's show, Tammy Hembro and Matt Zakowski dramatically unfollow
Speaker 2: each other. Days out from their joint Hucks party, Steph
Speaker 2: Claire Smith has revealed she will no longer be sharing
Speaker 2: her son's face online and mia Plastic's very puzzling business move.
Speaker 2: But first, Sophie, there's been another twist in the Crumble
Speaker 2: cookie drama.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this story is getting interesting.
Speaker 2: As a quick refresher, last week there was a pop
Speaker 2: up event in North Bonda and there was a it
Speaker 2: was he a teenager, a young kid who looked like
Speaker 2: they were from a private school, not the stereotype, who
Speaker 2: held an event pretending to be the cookie brand.
Speaker 1: Allegedly, they were.
Speaker 2: Selling these cookies for seventeen dollars fifty of pop and
Speaker 2: from all accounts, they were quite stale. Because this schoolboy
Speaker 2: had flown to Hawaii, he'd bought seven hundred cookies.
Speaker 1: And he decided to sell them off. A lot of
Speaker 1: people are saying he's quite.
Speaker 2: Entrepreneurial, but it hasn't really been great for him because
Speaker 2: the backlash has been pretty intense. But who it has
Speaker 2: been good for is the real Crumbles. So they released
Speaker 2: a statement saying they will accelerate their plans to bring
Speaker 2: the brand to Australia following the controversy.
Speaker 1: Yeah so. In this official.
Speaker 2: Statement, the Crumble team said it has been amazed by
Speaker 2: the support of fans in Australia over recent weeks and
Speaker 2: as a result, they've been inspired to bring their cookies
Speaker 2: to Australia so us Ozzie's can actually have a true
Speaker 2: Crumble experience. I mean, if this isn't perfect pr last
Speaker 2: week we spoke about whether this was a good or
Speaker 2: bad thing for the company. Obviously it's been a positive
Speaker 2: because they've been able to see how many Australians are
Speaker 2: so desperate for these cookies. But also it's interesting that
Speaker 2: they preface that they want customers to have the true experience,
Speaker 2: because then again, all of these people who purchased the
Speaker 2: fake cookies for seventeen fifty and had a bad experience,
Speaker 2: they want to turn that experience around. I love the
Speaker 2: fact that so many TikTokers are creating their own version
Speaker 2: of the Crumble cookie so Michael Finch recently did his
Speaker 2: own recipe for it is definitely generated a lot of
Speaker 2: attention for this brand. Yeah, and Crumble have also released
Speaker 2: an official Australian Instagram account. So previously the pop up
Speaker 2: went under the name of Crumble Sydney. Crumble have taken
Speaker 2: Crumble Australia and they've released this reel and in the
Speaker 2: real it starts off by showing all of the news
Speaker 2: coverage that the pop up event got and then it
Speaker 2: says the real Crumble is coming soon. But my favorite
Speaker 2: part of it is that they have this graphic and
Speaker 2: in the graphic there's a little koala holding a Crumble.
Speaker 1: Cookie, which I just thought was so cute. Plot twist.
Speaker 2: This has been a stunt by the company all along,
Speaker 2: and they've paid this boy to go into weak. We
Speaker 2: spoke about one of the organizers before, and the Daily
Speaker 2: Mail did this huge expose where they named this Sydney
Speaker 2: schoolboy as being the boy behind this pop up and
Speaker 2: they even featured a photo of his mum outside her
Speaker 2: four million dollar BELvue Hills mansion. But suddenly three days
Speaker 2: later the photo of the mother was removed. The boy's
Speaker 2: name has been removed. They still reference him as a
Speaker 2: year ten student from a.
Speaker 1: Prestigious Sydney school.
Speaker 2: But I'm assuming that the family have called in the lawyers.
Speaker 2: But they're probably so pleased now because this statement from
Speaker 2: Crumble has taken the heat off this kid, because now
Speaker 2: it seems like he should be being praised for getting
Speaker 2: the cookie giant down under.
Speaker 1: How long will we love each other?
Speaker 3: For?
Speaker 1: Always and forever?
Speaker 2: It's been a big week for fitness influencer Tammy Hembro
Speaker 2: and her fiance Matt Sakowski. The couple created headlines for
Speaker 2: dramatically unfollowing each other on Instagram days out from their
Speaker 2: lavish joint Hucks party. I first was alerted to this
Speaker 2: when a listener in our Facebook group asked if Tammy's
Speaker 2: profile was down, and listeners began replying that they also
Speaker 2: couldn't see her account.
Speaker 1: Because originally, when I had.
Speaker 2: A look, I thought, oh, maybe she's blocked us, because
Speaker 2: we have been covering quite a lot about her relationship
Speaker 2: with Matt. But it appeared to be done for everyone,
Speaker 2: and it looked as though she had temporarily deactivated her account,
Speaker 2: because within an hour it was back up again, but
Speaker 2: she was following one less person and that was of
Speaker 2: course her fiance Matt. And interestingly, Matt was also not
Speaker 2: following Tammy, which got a lot of people talking.
Speaker 1: But that can also happen if you block someone.
Speaker 2: Oh, she had clearly blocked him, because if he blocked someone,
Speaker 2: it removes that person from all of your photo tags.
Speaker 1: Yes, suddenly his name was not appearing, so it.
Speaker 2: Looked like she blocked him, then deactivated her account, and
Speaker 2: then brought it back at It was interesting timing because
Speaker 2: Matt had been in Melbourne and he only just returned
Speaker 2: to the Gold Coast when all of this blocking went on. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and it was really odd because he jetted back into
Speaker 2: the Gold Coast with his sister Emma, and he was
Speaker 2: still posting on his Instagram story. So he was out
Speaker 2: at this marketplace which he would never normally post about,
Speaker 2: and it looked really wholesome. It was this cute little
Speaker 2: nighttime market and presumably his was there for the couple's
Speaker 2: joint Hucks party, which was supposed to be happening that weekend.
Speaker 2: And what is most interesting about this is that Matt's
Speaker 2: sister Emma also unfollowed Tammy, and I wondered whether this
Speaker 2: was a tactic to make it look like Tammy had
Speaker 2: done something wrong. Yeah, and it was all very odd
Speaker 2: because it's not as if Tammy's sisters unfollowed Matt, and
Speaker 2: they recently did that interview on Matt's podcast where they
Speaker 2: lay the boot in and said he was immature and
Speaker 2: all this kind of stuff. So I thought they'd be
Speaker 2: the first one follow Maybe they thought, oh, this is
Speaker 2: all going to blow over by the weekend.
Speaker 1: It's already awkward between us.
Speaker 2: I may be reading far too much into this, but
Speaker 2: in one of the Instagram stories that Matt posted at
Speaker 2: this market, he shared a picture of a stall the
Speaker 2: specifically sold Dashound merchandise, and he captured the photo what
Speaker 2: a cute dashy store. This just seems like a really
Speaker 2: odd thing to share about when you're having a fight
Speaker 2: with your fiance And instantly the Dashound rung a bell
Speaker 2: for me and I realized that his ex girlfriend Jen,
Speaker 2: and she's the one whose name he recently was getting
Speaker 2: removed from his ass she owns a Dashound.
Speaker 1: That's because Matt had a tattoo of her name. Yes
Speaker 1: is what it pointed.
Speaker 2: Yes, so his ex girlfriend owns a Dashound who Matt
Speaker 2: used to live with and was obsessed with so the
Speaker 2: dashhound is called Mucci and Matt was always posting about
Speaker 2: it on his TikTok before they broke up. Wait a sex,
Speaker 2: So do you think this fight could have been sparked
Speaker 2: by the tattoo removal because everyone was talking about it.
Speaker 2: He'd recently shared this collaboration with this particular numbing cream.
Speaker 2: She was obviously a hot topic at that time.
Speaker 1: Possibly.
Speaker 2: I mean, I also think that maybe the sisters, you know,
Speaker 2: the pop sharing their two cents about him didn't help.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I just thought this must be a subtle
Speaker 2: reference to the old days with his partner, Like, was
Speaker 2: this some sort of dig it Tammy?
Speaker 1: I feel like you're reading a.
Speaker 2: Bit too much into it, But the fact that the
Speaker 2: sister was also at this market is also very old.
Speaker 2: Why I share about like if your ex live with
Speaker 2: Like just say your ex had a dog with his
Speaker 2: partner and it was like this dog that he loved,
Speaker 2: why would you post about it? It's like you're almost
Speaker 2: trying to get your ex to message you or something.
Speaker 2: Unless he was like, oh fuck, I need to share
Speaker 2: something on my Instagram because I want to see if
Speaker 2: Tammy or whatever burner accounts or whenever Business Accounts has
Speaker 2: a look at it to see if she can I've
Speaker 2: just got to share something, but he'd already shared numerous
Speaker 2: roaders at this market. Isn't the most awkward thing, though,
Speaker 2: having to refollow somebody that you have unfollowed. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean I've done that before with you guys, when I
Speaker 2: unfollow you in like a blind rage. And I've stopped
Speaker 2: doing it because I know it sounds lame, but it
Speaker 2: always pops up like, oh, you be friends with this
Speaker 2: person for fifteen years in Facebook stuff. Yeah, on Facebook
Speaker 2: is embarrassing when it's like you be friends with this
Speaker 2: person for a year and you're like, oh, I was
Speaker 2: really intrigued though, to find out more about Matt's relationship
Speaker 2: with Jen, Like, you have told me not to describe
Speaker 2: her like this, but she's a normal girlfriend, so she
Speaker 2: has no reality TV ties at all, because I just
Speaker 2: think it's an offensive term. Someone's enormy.
Speaker 1: It's not offensive. It's a fucking pop. It's just a
Speaker 1: normal girl anyway.
Speaker 2: So Matt is known for dating celebrity, so he previously
Speaker 2: dated Kira Maguire from the Bachelor, and he I don't
Speaker 2: know if this is true or if this is just
Speaker 2: a rumor, but it sounds like he said that he
Speaker 2: dated her for followers. There was a lot of press
Speaker 2: around the time that they broke up, and so who
Speaker 2: knows how true it was. It was probably sources said
Speaker 2: Matt only dated her for attention, so Genevieve, she didn't
Speaker 2: really fit the type of who he normally would date
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 1: She's brunette, not famous.
Speaker 2: They started dating in twenty twenty one and their relationship
Speaker 2: was really on again, off again from all reports, and
Speaker 2: he made twenty twenty three, Matt announced on his podcast
Speaker 2: that they broke up. Now, I want to get our
Speaker 2: timeline up here, because that is four months before he
Speaker 2: started dating Tammy Hembro.
Speaker 1: And when he announced.
Speaker 2: The breakup, he said that they were still very much
Speaker 2: in contact, and he didn't reveal the exact reason, but
Speaker 2: we could all read between the lines because he said,
Speaker 2: I crossed boundaries that I shouldn't have. I disrespected her
Speaker 2: in ways that look I'm not proud of now. Immediately
Speaker 2: I thought this sounded like cheating, but he followed up
Speaker 2: by saying, it sounds like I cheated on her.
Speaker 1: Nothing like that happened. It was nothing like that. I
Speaker 1: was more in a way. I wasn't loyal in situations
Speaker 1: I should have been.
Speaker 2: I definitely lost my way and was brought into cultures
Speaker 2: that are a younger version of me, and I should
Speaker 2: have just been more true to who I am now
Speaker 2: and not done that stuff. Obviously, it was too much
Speaker 2: for both of us, mostly her, and she broke up
Speaker 2: with that. Sounds like he has either gone to strip
Speaker 2: clubs with his friends. He's either maybe drunk too.
Speaker 1: Much, may be drinking or drugs.
Speaker 2: I mean, well, we don't want to point fingers, but
Speaker 2: even the fact that last week on his podcast he
Speaker 2: said to his podcast hosts Anna mcavoyd that you know
Speaker 2: that he didn't want to invite her to his Bucks
Speaker 2: party because of his friends, and how Anna didn't get
Speaker 2: along with it, like I don't know if he's been
Speaker 2: cult and he acted as if she didn't like the
Speaker 2: vibe around them. He became they sound like sort of
Speaker 2: those meat heead, sort of guys that you'd meet at
Speaker 2: a festival. I mean, I've never seen I haven't really
Speaker 2: seen photos of them, but I wouldn't be surprised the
Speaker 2: fact that he said he didn't cheat, but he'd cross boundaries.
Speaker 2: I reckon strip club maybe. What is also quite interesting
Speaker 2: is that after the breakup with Jen, Matt was forced
Speaker 2: to move back in with his mum, but he was
Speaker 2: only there for four months because it took him four
Speaker 2: months to then shack up with Tammy hembro on the gold.
Speaker 1: Goes to be fair. Melbourne rent is very expensive. Yes,
Speaker 1: it is very expensive, but the timing says a bit doesn't. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, Matt and Tammy ended up following each other again
Speaker 2: the next day, but it's not the first time they
Speaker 2: have unfollowed each other. So back in April they unfollowed
Speaker 2: one another briefly, and that was following the infamous Grand
Speaker 2: Prix DM fiasco. It's clear that Tammy and Matt's followers
Speaker 2: want to know what led to this most recent unfollowing,
Speaker 2: so one person wrote under one of Matt's posts, why
Speaker 2: have you and Tammy unfollowed each other on Instagram? Looks
Speaker 2: as though she has deleted a lot of photos with
Speaker 2: you as well.
Speaker 1: Now Matt, of course did not reply.
Speaker 2: One listener weighed in our Facebook community, saying, definitely something
Speaker 2: fishy going on. You should not be marrying someone if
Speaker 2: you were finding yourself unfollowing them. Post arguments and then
Speaker 2: adding them after again. That would be a big red
Speaker 2: flag for me. There is no easy or quick divorce.
Speaker 2: I've got to say, like, I have never unfollowed Dale
Speaker 2: off Instagram, and I can't even imagine unfollowing him in.
Speaker 1: The lead up to our wedding.
Speaker 2: Particularly if you are a public figure and people on
Speaker 2: a daily basis are keeping track of who you're following
Speaker 2: and unfollowing, you're clearly trying to send.
Speaker 1: A message there. Yeah, it's just bizarre behavior.
Speaker 2: Another follower, which I tend to agree with, said Matt
Speaker 2: is a boy, not yet a man. I feel like
Speaker 2: there must have been a lot of pressure on them
Speaker 2: to reconcile after this fight, particularly when the Hen's Party
Speaker 2: in Bucks Party was only a few days away. I mean,
Speaker 2: Matt had people flying in from Melbourne. I'm sure there's
Speaker 2: been a lot of money poured into the Hen's Party.
Speaker 2: It looked like a very lavish event. They had caterer's
Speaker 2: event planners.
Speaker 1: Also, there seemed to.
Speaker 2: Be a lot of partnership deals riding on this Hen's
Speaker 2: Party and Bucks Party going ahead, so financially and also
Speaker 2: from a business perspective, it would have been bad to
Speaker 2: pull the pin well this party did end up eventuating
Speaker 2: and Tammy looked incredible. So she was really vibing Marilyn Munroe,
Speaker 2: particularly with her hair. So she wore a white mini
Speaker 2: dress from Sydney designer Aston Bridle, and I saw their
Speaker 2: TikTok account and they were so excited to give her
Speaker 2: this dress. Yeah. Well it had a corsett top and
Speaker 2: this little puffy skirt with these draping bows at the front.
Speaker 2: It appeared like this was a partnership deal because she
Speaker 2: kept tagging them in the posts, and then she also
Speaker 2: provided them with photos and videos for them to share
Speaker 2: on their own social media accounts. Now, Tammy's bridesmaids did
Speaker 2: an amazing job. They organized this beautiful long lunch at
Speaker 2: a very fancy house on the gold Coat.
Speaker 1: I wondered if it was Tammy's house, it looked a
Speaker 1: lot like hers. No, it wouldn't have been her house.
Speaker 2: It was a different house that they'd hired out and
Speaker 2: they had an event company called Next Event. It was
Speaker 2: very esthetic looking, and as I said earlier, there were
Speaker 2: just so many sponsorship dealers going on. So they had
Speaker 2: in the roundhouse who appeared to supply all of the crockery,
Speaker 2: and they.
Speaker 1: Also had two chefs there.
Speaker 2: They were cooking up the long lunch in the kitchen,
Speaker 2: and Tammy tagged them as well, just to point out there,
Speaker 2: because we've got so many influences who contact us and
Speaker 2: they're like, no, I was just being nice and tagging them.
Speaker 2: So in Tammy's defense, she may have just tagged them
Speaker 2: because they were doing a good job.
Speaker 1: I think we don't know. I think she paid for
Speaker 1: hair and makeup.
Speaker 2: I think often people just tag hair and makeup because
Speaker 2: they build a connection with them and a bit of
Speaker 2: a friendship whilst they're doing it. But I don't think
Speaker 2: that she's just tagging a caterer willy nilly. One of
Speaker 2: the cool details I liked from The Bridesmaids was that
Speaker 2: they created a cocktail list which was named after Tammy's
Speaker 2: hall passes. And I don't know if I rate some
Speaker 2: of these hall passes, Like there's Keanu Reeves, Patrick Dempsey,
Speaker 2: Pedro Pascal.
Speaker 1: I didn't even know who John Kransky is. Is that
Speaker 1: why you say his name?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I had to google them as well.
Speaker 2: They're on the older side, But I feel like Keanu
Speaker 2: Reeves is maybe one of her old school hall passes.
Speaker 2: He seemed to be quite popular, you know, back in
Speaker 2: the day. Now, Anna McAvoy didn't make a surprise appearance.
Speaker 2: It looked like it was a very intimate group of girls.
Speaker 2: I was surprised to see Lily Brown there, though I
Speaker 2: didn't realize they were so close. I know that she
Speaker 2: attended their New Year's party, but I wouldn't have had
Speaker 2: her on my list of people I expected to see their,
Speaker 2: particularly because Anna didn't get an invite.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I'm assuming Anna didn't go to Matt's things.
Speaker 2: No, No, there was only one photo that Matt posted
Speaker 2: the next day of what looked like to be a
Speaker 2: bit of a piss up, and the friends were just
Speaker 2: what you would expect, and he was wearing a convict.
Speaker 1: Outfit like on his podcast he said that.
Speaker 2: He wanted to wear like a western outfit. But it's
Speaker 2: clear that his friends really didn't organize anything. So I'm
Speaker 2: guessing that the convict is the old life. Oh, the
Speaker 2: old ball and chain.
Speaker 1: She's lost.
Speaker 2: Yeah down, His groomsmen might have organized his costume for him,
Speaker 2: like they obviously always stitch.
Speaker 1: Up the groom. I enjoyed all of the social media
Speaker 1: content that came up.
Speaker 2: Because there was one video which Tammy shared and she
Speaker 2: was up on a chair dancing to Shania Twain and
Speaker 2: she legitimately looked like she was having a really good time.
Speaker 2: That's really as rowdy as it got, and it seemed
Speaker 2: like the whole joint Hucks party was a bit of
Speaker 2: an afterthought. It seemed like they were all very intoxicated
Speaker 2: when they got there, because after the lunch, Tammy then
Speaker 2: moved on to the Star Gold Coast and they'd set
Speaker 2: up this beautiful room with her.
Speaker 1: Again.
Speaker 2: I think this was also another sponsorship deal, because she
Speaker 2: was tagging them and they had this huge suite and
Speaker 2: her bridesmaids had set up all these white balloons and
Speaker 2: they had these cute photos of Tammy and Matt's faces.
Speaker 2: But it just seemed like you know when you know,
Speaker 2: when you're day drinking and it's just gone on for
Speaker 2: too long and everyone's getting really messy, Like I just
Speaker 2: kind of got those vibes.
Speaker 1: And Emily actually left the party.
Speaker 2: Really so she stayed for the lunch and then she
Speaker 2: basically said that she had escaped the hens to join
Speaker 2: her husband at dinner. I'm guessing they're probably debriefing about
Speaker 2: the whole thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, that doesn't sound good.
Speaker 2: I mean, the Daily Mail have been trying to paint
Speaker 2: the event of some big flop, because they put up
Speaker 2: a whole load of paparazzi shots and Tammy appeared to
Speaker 2: be crying in the photos when she met up with Matt.
Speaker 2: But I don't buy it because there were so many
Speaker 2: different photos in different articles that they shared, and in
Speaker 2: one she's kissing him and smiling, and in the next.
Speaker 1: She looks like she's teary.
Speaker 2: To be honest, I think she was touching her fake eyelashes.
Speaker 2: That's all I think it was. I thought it looked
Speaker 2: like he had given her a bracelet and she was like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, thank you so much, like she'd probably
Speaker 2: been drunk, so it was a bit teary at the
Speaker 2: sight of seeing her fiance. Well, the Daily Mail went
Speaker 2: as far as quoting an anonymous insider who said that
Speaker 2: Tammy was visibly upset and Matt was trying to comfort her,
Speaker 2: but it was clear that she didn't want his affection
Speaker 2: and turned her back on him.
Speaker 1: Was the source of the photographer, Yeah, exactly. Well.
Speaker 2: They then also claimed that another insider said that the
Speaker 2: whole blow up and the unfollowing fiasco was down to
Speaker 2: Tammy bringing up a prenup. Look, it's a really hard
Speaker 2: one because no one actually knows what's going on in
Speaker 2: their lives. But that's why they need to be really
Speaker 2: careful about the way that they talk about the relationship
Speaker 2: online and also all of this unfollowing business because people read.
Speaker 1: So much into it.
Speaker 2: And I know they've been sharing a few tiktoks where
Speaker 2: they've reacted to some of the media coverages if they
Speaker 2: don't care, but unfortunately they're bringing it.
Speaker 1: On a lot themselves.
Speaker 2: Another thing the Daily Mail did that I thought was
Speaker 2: really gross is that they captured photos of Tammy entering
Speaker 2: her hens lunch and they basically upskirted her. So she
Speaker 2: was walking up this little staircase to enter the house
Speaker 2: and they snapped in an upwards direction so you could
Speaker 2: literally see the outline of her bum and I just
Speaker 2: thought it was foul, because you know, she's got this
Speaker 2: beautiful dress on. She is potentially unaware that presumably these
Speaker 2: men are taking these photos of her, and then they
Speaker 2: just post them as if it's nothing. It's just it's
Speaker 2: really tacky and gross and just objectifying her.
Speaker 1: And I think this is.
Speaker 2: Also why Tammy felt the need to upload photos and
Speaker 2: Instagram stories on the day of the Hens because she
Speaker 2: probably wanted to get in first. Now the day after
Speaker 2: the Hens, she also uploaded a carousel and as the caption,
Speaker 2: she wrote, just call me missus Zakowski, and that seemed
Speaker 2: to elicit a really strong response from followers.
Speaker 1: One wrote, please do a prenup.
Speaker 2: You may not want to listen to anyone, but it
Speaker 2: covers your babies and you worked hard for what you
Speaker 2: have before anyone came along, whilst another said Tammy Zakowski
Speaker 2: doesn't hit now. Tammy ended up replying to that comment
Speaker 2: and said does for me with a drooling face.
Speaker 1: Do you actually think she's going to change her name?
Speaker 2: She is so When she appeared on Matt's podcast at
Speaker 2: the start of the year, she said that legally she'll
Speaker 2: be changing her name to Tammy Zakowski, but it sounds
Speaker 2: like for social media stuff she'll keep at Hembro.
Speaker 1: Because it's too can using.
Speaker 4: Just a decision Josh and.
Speaker 1: I made Hinnis mogul.
Speaker 2: Steph Claire Smith has revealed she will no longer be
Speaker 2: sharing her son Harvey's face online. The three year old
Speaker 2: has been a fixture on both Steph and her husband
Speaker 2: Josh's social media channels.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: Steph opened up about the decision in a question and answer.
Speaker 1: Here's what she said.
Speaker 5: And this has just been because he's gotten to an
Speaker 5: age now where he's he's a little boy, he's quite recognizable,
Speaker 5: and we've had and people have obviously absolutely meant well,
Speaker 5: but people who have recognized me or recognized Harvey have
Speaker 5: kind of gone up to him and said Hi Harvey.
Speaker 1: And I just started to think.
Speaker 4: About how uncomfortable I felt with like, especially when there
Speaker 4: was times when I wasn't with him or Josh and
Speaker 4: I weren't with him and he was out with like
Speaker 4: I don't know, a nanny or a family member, or
Speaker 4: even at daycare and someone would go up to him
Speaker 4: and say, Hi, Harvey. I feel like for a kid,
Speaker 4: that would just be so confusing. If strangers coming up
Speaker 4: to you and knowing your.
Speaker 2: Name, that would be really unsettling to have people coming
Speaker 2: up to your child, particularly when you're.
Speaker 1: Not there, Like, what a weird situation to be.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure that people had the right intentions,
Speaker 2: but I don't think I'd ever walk up to a
Speaker 2: child who I'd seen on social media and just try
Speaker 2: and talk to I actually remember we were shooting a
Speaker 2: video at a childcare center and there was an Adelaide
Speaker 2: influencer's child there and I recognized the kid instantly.
Speaker 1: But there's no way I would have acknowledged it and
Speaker 1: spoken to him.
Speaker 2: It's weird and it'd be so confusing, and it would
Speaker 2: give them this really strange view of the world, because
Speaker 2: then do they just assume that everyone knows who they
Speaker 2: are now. Steph continued saying that the situation also made
Speaker 2: it difficult to teach him about stranger danger and who
Speaker 2: he can trust. And it would be like, how can
Speaker 2: you say, oh, don't worry. The people that come up
Speaker 2: to you are nice, yeah, but also also potentially dangerous.
Speaker 2: But if someone came up to him and said, hey, Harvey,
Speaker 2: your mum has asked me to come and pick you up,
Speaker 2: the kid would be like, oh, okay, I'll just go
Speaker 2: with you. It really does show that by sharing a
Speaker 2: kid online that they are just so easily recognizable, especially
Speaker 2: when you've.
Speaker 1: Got millions and millions of followers.
Speaker 2: I mean, Steph is one of the I think the
Speaker 2: most well known Australian influence.
Speaker 1: I think she's a celebrity as well, that she's a famous.
Speaker 2: Model, and it also really shows this strange parasocial relationship
Speaker 2: you can build with a child. I mean, we've literally
Speaker 2: heard about Steph's pregnancies, We've heard her birth story, We've
Speaker 2: seen photos of him brought home from the hospital, We've
Speaker 2: heard about his tantrums, like we have had a fly
Speaker 2: on the wall look into this little kid's life, which
Speaker 2: actually sounds so weird when you say it out loud. Well,
Speaker 2: and also, Harvey's been a big part of her husband,
Speaker 2: Josh's social media content because on his TikTok, he was
Speaker 2: sharing a lot of videos of his son sitting down
Speaker 2: while he made a coffee. Well, a lot of them
Speaker 2: are paid partnerships as well, which I totally understand because
Speaker 2: Josh is the full time stay at home dad, so
Speaker 2: obviously he's wanting to work out a way that he
Speaker 2: can make money whilst raising Harvey. And I think what
Speaker 2: has really added to this parasocial relationship with his family
Speaker 2: is the fact that Steph often opens up about her
Speaker 2: struggles as a mum.
Speaker 1: And I think the reason she does this.
Speaker 2: Is because you know, she's a model, she's starting, she's
Speaker 2: got abs, she's got this five million Dollar House. So
Speaker 2: she's trying to find some relatability by talking about her
Speaker 2: struggles as a mum. But is it her trying to
Speaker 2: find relatability or is it her just actually sharing about
Speaker 2: her life organically and these things have.
Speaker 1: Popped up and she wants to talk about them.
Speaker 2: I don't think she's that, you know, strategic. I don't
Speaker 2: think there's anything wrong with being strategic. I'm just more
Speaker 2: saying that I think that Kick have tried to build
Speaker 2: this platform on relatability, and it would be really hard
Speaker 2: when maybe your life isn't that relatable.
Speaker 1: And I think that she is.
Speaker 2: Trying to create a community of mums and also that's
Speaker 2: her new life now, so that's also why she's sharing
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 1: We do you think she's going to have an issue though?
Speaker 2: Because she has been sharing his face and about him
Speaker 2: for such a long time now, I would argue he's
Speaker 2: going to be wreckingognizable for a good number of years,
Speaker 2: and especially like even I've seen for example, Leyton Hewitt
Speaker 2: and Beck Hewitt's child Mia, she was photographed all the
Speaker 2: time at the OZ Open and now they're even following
Speaker 2: her around as an eighteen year old.
Speaker 1: It seems to be obsessed with her.
Speaker 2: It's so weird because it's not as if she's in
Speaker 2: the public eye.
Speaker 1: For her career or anything.
Speaker 2: They literally waited until she turned eighteen and then have
Speaker 2: all these grow shots of her at the beach.
Speaker 1: It is awful.
Speaker 2: It's because she looks nothing like Layton and Beck and
Speaker 2: she's like, look, she kind of does.
Speaker 1: It's because she's.
Speaker 2: Out partying as well. She's always smoking and stuff like
Speaker 2: that us.
Speaker 1: Most eighteen year olds are.
Speaker 2: But getting back to this, I think because she's made
Speaker 2: a lot of headlines by talking about him, because you know,
Speaker 2: we spoke about it last year where she said flippantly,
Speaker 2: oh my toddler can be a total psycho, and that
Speaker 2: made a headline and a lot of mums related to
Speaker 2: it and said that they actually.
Speaker 1: Felt very heard.
Speaker 2: And then recently she generated quite a big response by
Speaker 2: taking her son to the gym with her, and we
Speaker 2: spoke about that as well, and many mums sided with
Speaker 2: her and said that.
Speaker 1: They should be allowed to go to the gym. And
Speaker 1: it's really difficult for mums.
Speaker 2: So it's really hard because it has become part of
Speaker 2: her brand. So I wonder whether she will not be
Speaker 2: sharing his face but still be talking about him. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And it seems like Steph is also thinking ahead to
Speaker 2: when Harvey goes to school, which isn't that far away,
Speaker 2: because she said that she's concerned that her being so
Speaker 2: open about him could affect him in the school yard.
Speaker 2: Here's what she said, He's also coming close to that
Speaker 2: school age, so like kids talk and.
Speaker 1: They chat, and.
Speaker 3: I know that with my profile, like the likelihood of
Speaker 3: people bringing up to like coming up to him in
Speaker 3: school or whatever and saying like your mom does this
Speaker 3: or whatever, that's like one thing that I know, well,
Speaker 3: depending on where I'll be in couple of years, that
Speaker 3: he might have to deal with, let alone like him
Speaker 3: being all over my page as well and then having
Speaker 3: access to that.
Speaker 2: I wonder if this is in reference to some of
Speaker 2: the intimate topics that she and her co host Laura
Speaker 2: Henshaw share on their podcast, because they've been promoting their
Speaker 2: podcast with a lot of viral clips and a lot
Speaker 2: of the time it is about their sex life, and
Speaker 2: it's proving to be a very successful strategy for them.
Speaker 2: They're getting a lot of clicks, a lot of views.
Speaker 2: I mean, personally, it makes me want to tune in to.
Speaker 1: Hear about it.
Speaker 2: Everyone wants to jucy detail they recently well I think
Speaker 2: it was last year that they spoke about that sex
Speaker 2: challenge that she and Josh did, and I was hooked.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, this is so juicy.
Speaker 2: Well it must be so weird as well, when you
Speaker 2: have kids and they start off being so young and
Speaker 2: not understanding anything, and then the realization that wait a second,
Speaker 2: they're going to grow up and they're going to be
Speaker 2: able to Google you and they're going to hear your parents,
Speaker 2: oh that they had a sex challenge five. I would
Speaker 2: not want to hear about that at all.
Speaker 1: No child should have to read. But could you imagine
Speaker 1: in the school yard.
Speaker 2: I mean this, a lot of this information could be
Speaker 2: used a spot it against a kid. I mean hopefully
Speaker 2: not at five, no, but I mean kids they have
Speaker 2: access to social media.
Speaker 1: It is wild stuff that comes out of young kid's mouth.
Speaker 2: Like our mum's a teacher and she can't believe some
Speaker 2: of the stuff that these young kids know. Do you
Speaker 2: think stuff's going to go back and archive old photos
Speaker 2: of him or is it just moving forward?
Speaker 1: She's not going to show him anymore.
Speaker 2: I reckon, it'll just be a moving forward thing. I've
Speaker 2: noticed on a social media she'll still share photos of him,
Speaker 2: but his face will be more concealed, like he'll be
Speaker 2: turning his head or she'll have riding over the top
Speaker 2: of it. I think it is a positive that they've
Speaker 2: made this decision. It's really responsible to shut it down
Speaker 2: now because they're almost having to say, look, we made
Speaker 2: a mistake by sharing too much, which is really commendable
Speaker 2: to put your hands up and say you've probably done
Speaker 2: the wrong thing.
Speaker 1: And I just think ultimately it's really.
Speaker 2: Sad that people have to be so careful, but it
Speaker 2: is just the reality of social media.
Speaker 3: Hey guys, it's been a hot minute since I've been
Speaker 3: on TikTok, but I'm relaunching myself.
Speaker 2: Controversial slickstick owner Mia Plastic has made a very odd
Speaker 2: business move launching a new mother during Instagram account. We'd
Speaker 2: wait for it, Sophie, the same name as Australia's biggest
Speaker 2: women's media publication.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is just wild.
Speaker 2: So Mia launched this account on Friday and called it
Speaker 2: Mama Miya at Home, which of course is the same
Speaker 2: name as Mia Friedman's media company, Mama Mia, which has
Speaker 2: been in business for seventeen years. Now, the bio of
Speaker 2: the account read busy working mama with a passion for
Speaker 2: her baby's health and well being, followed for recipe hacks
Speaker 2: and tips.
Speaker 1: Now, surely Maya is aware of Mama Mia.
Speaker 2: Like you'd have to be living under a rock to
Speaker 2: not have heard of this women's media publication. It's a
Speaker 2: hugely successful news website and also a podcast network.
Speaker 1: I don't really think that you can claim, oh, Sorr,
Speaker 1: I haven't heard of them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just don't get it, because she surely knows
Speaker 2: about them, So she's just made this decision anyway, I mean,
Speaker 2: why would you even want to have.
Speaker 1: The same hand or as Mama Maya. It's so confusing.
Speaker 2: I mean, at this stage it is just an Instagram account,
Speaker 2: but she is a serial entrepreneur, and it is clear
Speaker 2: that she'll be eventually looking to monetize it and grow it.
Speaker 2: And I really feel like these days Instagram and mother accounts,
Speaker 2: they are really the modern day equivalent of blog sites,
Speaker 2: and that is fundamentally what Muma Mia started off as,
Speaker 2: and then they turned into a larger media company.
Speaker 1: But regardless of if.
Speaker 2: She turns it into a company, why would she want
Speaker 2: to have the same name as the biggest women's media
Speaker 2: publication of the country.
Speaker 1: I mean, is she that fucking unaware?
Speaker 2: It's pretty brazen, considering she has a history of sending
Speaker 2: out cease and desist letters to anyone who sells a
Speaker 2: similar product to her or a business she doesn't agree with.
Speaker 2: I actually don't think she's unaware of Muma Mia. I
Speaker 2: think that she is being strategic because.
Speaker 1: How let's me explain it to you.
Speaker 2: She has received so much bad publicity over the years
Speaker 2: that a source has told me that she and her husband,
Speaker 2: Justin have allegedly invested a lot of money in SEO
Speaker 2: so that when businesses search for them, all the.
Speaker 1: Negative shit doesn't come up.
Speaker 2: So if she takes on a name that is already popular,
Speaker 2: like Mama Mia, people are going to be searching for
Speaker 2: Mamma Mia at home instead of mea Plassic, and none
Speaker 2: of the negative shit's gonna come up. And also, Mamma
Speaker 2: mer is already a term that has a lot of
Speaker 2: traction with it. It's interesting because I just did a
Speaker 2: search of Mia plastic and there's only positive articles which
Speaker 2: have shown up so far, So the SEO team are
Speaker 2: clearly doing their job. I really feel for Mia Friedman
Speaker 2: and Mama Mea because I would not want anyone to
Speaker 2: think that my brand is affiliated with hers, and I
Speaker 2: don't necessarily think at this stage that it's a breach
Speaker 2: of trademark laws because it is just an Instagram account,
Speaker 2: but it definitely generates a lot of confusion, and if
Speaker 2: she has plans to grow this account, it could turn
Speaker 2: into a business that will then make it an issue.
Speaker 1: Well, it seems like Muma and MIA's lawyers must have gone.
Speaker 2: To it pretty quickly, because when I checked on Friday,
Speaker 2: the account was already down. They definitely got on to
Speaker 2: it quit considering it was a public holiday. It's very
Speaker 2: clear from this move that Mia wants to enter the
Speaker 2: mummy blogging space.
Speaker 1: And she's already been sharing.
Speaker 2: A lot of her very strong views about food and
Speaker 2: the uses of plastic on her main account, and she
Speaker 2: is strongly against manufactured baby food and she makes all of.
Speaker 1: Her own organic homemade.
Speaker 2: Song that's the next thing, that's the next visitess she's
Speaker 2: going to have a baby food brand.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's a very good point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because she wanks on about all of this organic
Speaker 2: food and before announcing her new venture on Friday, she
Speaker 2: shared that she was cooking up bone broth for her
Speaker 2: son as well as organic chicken liver, and she shared
Speaker 2: this whole rant about plastic. So she said that she
Speaker 2: is highly against plastics for her son, and she said
Speaker 2: that microplastics are a huge problem that isn't taken seriously enough.
Speaker 2: She continued saying that everything of her son's is either glass,
Speaker 2: silicon or stainless steel. Now this is despite the fact
Speaker 2: that the previous Instagram story showed his vegetables were stored
Speaker 2: in plastic ziplock bags, and she said, oh no, no,
Speaker 2: but my jars are arriving tomorrow now. She also revealed
Speaker 2: that she'd purchased a stainless steel sippy cup to replace
Speaker 2: the plastic one that she'd been using on her European vacation,
Speaker 2: as that's all she could find there. She prefaced by
Speaker 2: saying that she bought him a new plastic bottle every
Speaker 2: few days and throughout the old ones because she was
Speaker 2: so afraid of the microplastics breaking down in the water.
Speaker 2: Doesn't that sound great for the environment? Why does sisters
Speaker 2: remind me of those tiktoks which show people in two
Speaker 2: thousand and five as teenagers and they're drinking like Red
Speaker 2: Bull and eating Cheetos and they're now in their thirties,
Speaker 2: like everything must be orgaddick. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: She also said that she'd thrown out all of her
Speaker 2: non stick pans, that she only uses stainless steel ones.
Speaker 2: She's thrown out her plastic utensils and bottles like it
Speaker 2: is giving very much vibes of being a.
Speaker 1: First time mum.
Speaker 2: I think she's gone down one of those TikTok holes.
Speaker 2: I often get stuck in those where everything like you
Speaker 2: can think of.
Speaker 1: Your house is apparently toxic.
Speaker 2: And she's even throwing out his soft toys, which hurts
Speaker 2: my heart. So she's learned that polyester is plastic, so
Speaker 2: that'll be the next to go, and his only toys
Speaker 2: is are silicon or wood. Wait a second, isn't her
Speaker 2: whole slick stick products made out of plastic exactly now?
Speaker 2: In this post, she continued saying, I'm so passionate about
Speaker 2: my little man's health. He has never drank tap water,
Speaker 2: only filtered I don't even know what this is, canngan
Speaker 2: or spring water. He's never eaten anything other than food.
Speaker 1: I've cooked him all my breast milk.
Speaker 2: All the ingredients are certified organic his nappies are all
Speaker 2: natural cotton with no dyes.
Speaker 1: I only use natural.
Speaker 2: Water wipes that are bio degradable. Does she think that
Speaker 2: that makes up for the tens of baby plastic baby
Speaker 2: bottles that she throw out during her weeks in Europe?
Speaker 1: Like, oh thank god?
Speaker 2: There By, I don't want to judge her, because I
Speaker 2: have this fear that I am going to turn into
Speaker 2: an earth Mother when I have children.
Speaker 1: There's something I don't know.
Speaker 2: There's something about it that I think people's minds flick
Speaker 2: over and they go, I need to protect this baby
Speaker 2: at all accounts.
Speaker 1: The only thing I find funny.
Speaker 2: About it is that regardless of how much you shelter
Speaker 2: your child from having plastics or whatever she's doing, one
Speaker 2: day they're going to turn into a teenager who goes
Speaker 2: to McDonald's.
Speaker 1: Like, it's just the reality. I agree to some extent.
Speaker 2: I think that it's quite noble to find out what
Speaker 2: you're feeding your kids, and everyone has the choice of
Speaker 2: what products and things that they feel comfortable with. I
Speaker 2: just feel like, knowing her and her background, it all
Speaker 2: sounds really extreme and almost conspiracy theory esque, particularly as
Speaker 2: she's a known anti vaxxer. She's much an anti lockdown protest,
Speaker 2: and she was trying to get a black market doctor
Speaker 2: to give her a COVID passport.
Speaker 1: That's how extreme she gets.
Speaker 2: And I sort of feel like saying, well, you're saying
Speaker 2: you care so much about your son's health, you haven't
Speaker 2: even gotten fucking vaccinated. Well on that issue, I do
Speaker 2: find it irritating when I see some mums copying online though,
Speaker 2: when they do pack their kid a healthy lunchbox, because
Speaker 2: who cops it for packing the cat sat Day is
Speaker 2: actually one of them. I saw a recent TikTok and
Speaker 2: she was showing all these healthy things that she's packed
Speaker 2: Fox for his lunch, and so many people were like
Speaker 2: tearing out a shreds, And then I saw one comment
Speaker 2: that was like, wait a sec, like why are we
Speaker 2: tearing women apart for actually giving their kids good nutritious
Speaker 2: You know, I actually one hundred percent agree, because sometimes
Speaker 2: you see these lunchboxes and it's like pack ten tons
Speaker 2: of tiny teddies and everything's processed and whatever. And I
Speaker 2: understand that kids needs treats, but why is it that
Speaker 2: we're so critical when other people go the other way
Speaker 2: and they try and be helped.
Speaker 1: You know what it is.
Speaker 2: It is because of this is the word motor boating.
Speaker 2: This absolute like motor boating of it.
Speaker 1: It's like old pretentiousness.
Speaker 2: Yeah, look at my perfect lunch box that I've spent
Speaker 2: all of this money and time doing, Like a lot
Speaker 2: of mums are time poor. And the thing that people
Speaker 2: don't like is the broadcasting about on social media because
Speaker 2: it turns into mum shaming because it's sort of like, well,
Speaker 2: you're a shit mum if you have a plastic bottle
Speaker 2: for your kids and it goes too far. I do
Speaker 2: understand that, but I think some tis there should be
Speaker 2: more education around. For example, it's probably not a good
Speaker 2: thing to give your kids so much food containing sugar
Speaker 2: for their lunch.
Speaker 1: Sugar the walls.
Speaker 2: This isn't about sugar though, This is about shaming and
Speaker 2: putting pressure on mums who are also probably trying their
Speaker 2: best and probably don't have enough money to buy a
Speaker 2: plastic bottle every couple of days and then dispose of
Speaker 2: it with no care for the environment. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I do want to have the resources to live.
Speaker 2: This sul I'm saying is I'm all for education online
Speaker 2: about nutrition, and I think that sometimes there does need
Speaker 2: to be better education for parents and also children about
Speaker 2: what they're putting in their bodies.
Speaker 1: Well, Amy, there might be an account for you to
Speaker 1: follow a nearly renamed mum and mea at home. I'm
Speaker 1: not interested in that account.
Speaker 2: Do we need another Pete Evans like he sort of
Speaker 2: just disappeared? Do we need to just just has someone
Speaker 2: that's a bit less extreme about it?
Speaker 1: And I would definitely follow them. Well, I'm all for
Speaker 1: the chaotic mums.
Speaker 2: I would rather see a chaotic mum who's trying her
Speaker 2: best and he's perhaps throwing some shapes or some tiny
Speaker 2: teddies in with an It's all about balance. That's what
Speaker 2: people don't seem to get. Yeah, well, I think that's
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