WEBVTT - The Unfollow 

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<v Speaker 1>Hello and welcome to Outspoken.

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<v Speaker 2>It's your dose of the hottest influencer and pop culture

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<v Speaker 2>news twice a week. I'm Sophie Torber and coming up

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<v Speaker 2>on today's show, Tammy Hembro and Matt Zakowski dramatically unfollow

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<v Speaker 2>each other. Days out from their joint Hucks party, Steph

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<v Speaker 2>Claire Smith has revealed she will no longer be sharing

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<v Speaker 2>her son's face online and mia Plastic's very puzzling business move.

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<v Speaker 2>But first, Sophie, there's been another twist in the Crumble

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<v Speaker 2>cookie drama.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this story is getting interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>As a quick refresher, last week there was a pop

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<v Speaker 2>up event in North Bonda and there was a it

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<v Speaker 2>was he a teenager, a young kid who looked like

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<v Speaker 2>they were from a private school, not the stereotype, who

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<v Speaker 2>held an event pretending to be the cookie brand.

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<v Speaker 1>Allegedly, they were.

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<v Speaker 2>Selling these cookies for seventeen dollars fifty of pop and

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<v Speaker 2>from all accounts, they were quite stale. Because this schoolboy

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<v Speaker 2>had flown to Hawaii, he'd bought seven hundred cookies.

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<v Speaker 1>And he decided to sell them off. A lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people are saying he's quite.

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<v Speaker 2>Entrepreneurial, but it hasn't really been great for him because

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<v Speaker 2>the backlash has been pretty intense. But who it has

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<v Speaker 2>been good for is the real Crumbles. So they released

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<v Speaker 2>a statement saying they will accelerate their plans to bring

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<v Speaker 2>the brand to Australia following the controversy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah so. In this official.

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<v Speaker 2>Statement, the Crumble team said it has been amazed by

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<v Speaker 2>the support of fans in Australia over recent weeks and

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<v Speaker 2>as a result, they've been inspired to bring their cookies

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<v Speaker 2>to Australia so us Ozzie's can actually have a true

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<v Speaker 2>Crumble experience. I mean, if this isn't perfect pr last

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<v Speaker 2>week we spoke about whether this was a good or

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<v Speaker 2>bad thing for the company. Obviously it's been a positive

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<v Speaker 2>because they've been able to see how many Australians are

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<v Speaker 2>so desperate for these cookies. But also it's interesting that

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<v Speaker 2>they preface that they want customers to have the true experience,

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<v Speaker 2>because then again, all of these people who purchased the

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<v Speaker 2>fake cookies for seventeen fifty and had a bad experience,

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<v Speaker 2>they want to turn that experience around. I love the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that so many TikTokers are creating their own version

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<v Speaker 2>of the Crumble cookie so Michael Finch recently did his

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<v Speaker 2>own recipe for it is definitely generated a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>attention for this brand. Yeah, and Crumble have also released

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<v Speaker 2>an official Australian Instagram account. So previously the pop up

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<v Speaker 2>went under the name of Crumble Sydney. Crumble have taken

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<v Speaker 2>Crumble Australia and they've released this reel and in the

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<v Speaker 2>real it starts off by showing all of the news

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<v Speaker 2>coverage that the pop up event got and then it

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<v Speaker 2>says the real Crumble is coming soon. But my favorite

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<v Speaker 2>part of it is that they have this graphic and

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<v Speaker 2>in the graphic there's a little koala holding a Crumble.

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<v Speaker 1>Cookie, which I just thought was so cute. Plot twist.

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<v Speaker 2>This has been a stunt by the company all along,

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<v Speaker 2>and they've paid this boy to go into weak. We

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<v Speaker 2>spoke about one of the organizers before, and the Daily

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<v Speaker 2>Mail did this huge expose where they named this Sydney

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<v Speaker 2>schoolboy as being the boy behind this pop up and

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<v Speaker 2>they even featured a photo of his mum outside her

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<v Speaker 2>four million dollar BELvue Hills mansion. But suddenly three days

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<v Speaker 2>later the photo of the mother was removed. The boy's

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<v Speaker 2>name has been removed. They still reference him as a

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<v Speaker 2>year ten student from a.

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<v Speaker 1>Prestigious Sydney school.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm assuming that the family have called in the lawyers.

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<v Speaker 2>But they're probably so pleased now because this statement from

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<v Speaker 2>Crumble has taken the heat off this kid, because now

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<v Speaker 2>it seems like he should be being praised for getting

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<v Speaker 2>the cookie giant down under.

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<v Speaker 1>How long will we love each other?

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<v Speaker 3>For?

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<v Speaker 1>Always and forever?

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<v Speaker 2>It's been a big week for fitness influencer Tammy Hembro

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<v Speaker 2>and her fiance Matt Sakowski. The couple created headlines for

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<v Speaker 2>dramatically unfollowing each other on Instagram days out from their

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<v Speaker 2>lavish joint Hucks party. I first was alerted to this

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<v Speaker 2>when a listener in our Facebook group asked if Tammy's

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<v Speaker 2>profile was down, and listeners began replying that they also

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't see her account.

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<v Speaker 1>Because originally, when I had.

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<v Speaker 2>A look, I thought, oh, maybe she's blocked us, because

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<v Speaker 2>we have been covering quite a lot about her relationship

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<v Speaker 2>with Matt. But it appeared to be done for everyone,

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<v Speaker 2>and it looked as though she had temporarily deactivated her account,

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<v Speaker 2>because within an hour it was back up again, but

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<v Speaker 2>she was following one less person and that was of

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<v Speaker 2>course her fiance Matt. And interestingly, Matt was also not

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<v Speaker 2>following Tammy, which got a lot of people talking.

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<v Speaker 1>But that can also happen if you block someone.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, she had clearly blocked him, because if he blocked someone,

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<v Speaker 2>it removes that person from all of your photo tags.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, suddenly his name was not appearing, so it.

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<v Speaker 2>Looked like she blocked him, then deactivated her account, and

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<v Speaker 2>then brought it back at It was interesting timing because

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<v Speaker 2>Matt had been in Melbourne and he only just returned

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<v Speaker 2>to the Gold Coast when all of this blocking went on. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was really odd because he jetted back into

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<v Speaker 2>the Gold Coast with his sister Emma, and he was

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<v Speaker 2>still posting on his Instagram story. So he was out

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<v Speaker 2>at this marketplace which he would never normally post about,

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<v Speaker 2>and it looked really wholesome. It was this cute little

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<v Speaker 2>nighttime market and presumably his was there for the couple's

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<v Speaker 2>joint Hucks party, which was supposed to be happening that weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>And what is most interesting about this is that Matt's

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<v Speaker 2>sister Emma also unfollowed Tammy, and I wondered whether this

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<v Speaker 2>was a tactic to make it look like Tammy had

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<v Speaker 2>done something wrong. Yeah, and it was all very odd

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<v Speaker 2>because it's not as if Tammy's sisters unfollowed Matt, and

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<v Speaker 2>they recently did that interview on Matt's podcast where they

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<v Speaker 2>lay the boot in and said he was immature and

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<v Speaker 2>all this kind of stuff. So I thought they'd be

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<v Speaker 2>the first one follow Maybe they thought, oh, this is

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<v Speaker 2>all going to blow over by the weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>It's already awkward between us.

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<v Speaker 2>I may be reading far too much into this, but

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<v Speaker 2>in one of the Instagram stories that Matt posted at

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<v Speaker 2>this market, he shared a picture of a stall the

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<v Speaker 2>specifically sold Dashound merchandise, and he captured the photo what

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<v Speaker 2>a cute dashy store. This just seems like a really

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<v Speaker 2>odd thing to share about when you're having a fight

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<v Speaker 2>with your fiance And instantly the Dashound rung a bell

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<v Speaker 2>for me and I realized that his ex girlfriend Jen,

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<v Speaker 2>and she's the one whose name he recently was getting

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<v Speaker 2>removed from his ass she owns a Dashound.

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<v Speaker 1>That's because Matt had a tattoo of her name. Yes

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<v Speaker 1>is what it pointed.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, so his ex girlfriend owns a Dashound who Matt

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<v Speaker 2>used to live with and was obsessed with so the

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<v Speaker 2>dashhound is called Mucci and Matt was always posting about

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<v Speaker 2>it on his TikTok before they broke up. Wait a sex,

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<v Speaker 2>So do you think this fight could have been sparked

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<v Speaker 2>by the tattoo removal because everyone was talking about it.

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<v Speaker 2>He'd recently shared this collaboration with this particular numbing cream.

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<v Speaker 2>She was obviously a hot topic at that time.

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<v Speaker 1>Possibly.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I also think that maybe the sisters, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the pop sharing their two cents about him didn't help.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I just thought this must be a subtle

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<v Speaker 2>reference to the old days with his partner, Like, was

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<v Speaker 2>this some sort of dig it Tammy?

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like you're reading a.

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<v Speaker 2>Bit too much into it, But the fact that the

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<v Speaker 2>sister was also at this market is also very old.

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<v Speaker 2>Why I share about like if your ex live with

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<v Speaker 2>Like just say your ex had a dog with his

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<v Speaker 2>partner and it was like this dog that he loved,

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<v Speaker 2>why would you post about it? It's like you're almost

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<v Speaker 2>trying to get your ex to message you or something.

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<v Speaker 2>Unless he was like, oh fuck, I need to share

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<v Speaker 2>something on my Instagram because I want to see if

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<v Speaker 2>Tammy or whatever burner accounts or whenever Business Accounts has

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<v Speaker 2>a look at it to see if she can I've

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<v Speaker 2>just got to share something, but he'd already shared numerous

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<v Speaker 2>roaders at this market. Isn't the most awkward thing, though,

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<v Speaker 2>having to refollow somebody that you have unfollowed. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean I've done that before with you guys, when I

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<v Speaker 2>unfollow you in like a blind rage. And I've stopped

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<v Speaker 2>doing it because I know it sounds lame, but it

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<v Speaker 2>always pops up like, oh, you be friends with this

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<v Speaker 2>person for fifteen years in Facebook stuff. Yeah, on Facebook

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<v Speaker 2>is embarrassing when it's like you be friends with this

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<v Speaker 2>person for a year and you're like, oh, I was

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<v Speaker 2>really intrigued though, to find out more about Matt's relationship

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<v Speaker 2>with Jen, Like, you have told me not to describe

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<v Speaker 2>her like this, but she's a normal girlfriend, so she

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<v Speaker 2>has no reality TV ties at all, because I just

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<v Speaker 2>think it's an offensive term. Someone's enormy.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not offensive. It's a fucking pop. It's just a

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<v Speaker 1>normal girl anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>So Matt is known for dating celebrity, so he previously

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<v Speaker 2>dated Kira Maguire from the Bachelor, and he I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if this is true or if this is just

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<v Speaker 2>a rumor, but it sounds like he said that he

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<v Speaker 2>dated her for followers. There was a lot of press

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<v Speaker 2>around the time that they broke up, and so who

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<v Speaker 2>knows how true it was. It was probably sources said

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<v Speaker 2>Matt only dated her for attention, so Genevieve, she didn't

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<v Speaker 2>really fit the type of who he normally would date

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<v Speaker 2>as well.

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<v Speaker 1>She's brunette, not famous.

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<v Speaker 2>They started dating in twenty twenty one and their relationship

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<v Speaker 2>was really on again, off again from all reports, and

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<v Speaker 2>he made twenty twenty three, Matt announced on his podcast

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<v Speaker 2>that they broke up. Now, I want to get our

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<v Speaker 2>timeline up here, because that is four months before he

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<v Speaker 2>started dating Tammy Hembro.

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<v Speaker 1>And when he announced.

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<v Speaker 2>The breakup, he said that they were still very much

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<v Speaker 2>in contact, and he didn't reveal the exact reason, but

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<v Speaker 2>we could all read between the lines because he said,

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<v Speaker 2>I crossed boundaries that I shouldn't have. I disrespected her

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<v Speaker 2>in ways that look I'm not proud of now. Immediately

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<v Speaker 2>I thought this sounded like cheating, but he followed up

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<v Speaker 2>by saying, it sounds like I cheated on her.

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<v Speaker 1>Nothing like that happened. It was nothing like that. I

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<v Speaker 1>was more in a way. I wasn't loyal in situations

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<v Speaker 1>I should have been.

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<v Speaker 2>I definitely lost my way and was brought into cultures

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<v Speaker 2>that are a younger version of me, and I should

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<v Speaker 2>have just been more true to who I am now

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<v Speaker 2>and not done that stuff. Obviously, it was too much

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<v Speaker 2>for both of us, mostly her, and she broke up

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<v Speaker 2>with that. Sounds like he has either gone to strip

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<v Speaker 2>clubs with his friends. He's either maybe drunk too.

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<v Speaker 1>Much, may be drinking or drugs.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, well, we don't want to point fingers, but

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<v Speaker 2>even the fact that last week on his podcast he

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<v Speaker 2>said to his podcast hosts Anna mcavoyd that you know

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<v Speaker 2>that he didn't want to invite her to his Bucks

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<v Speaker 2>party because of his friends, and how Anna didn't get

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<v Speaker 2>along with it, like I don't know if he's been

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<v Speaker 2>cult and he acted as if she didn't like the

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<v Speaker 2>vibe around them. He became they sound like sort of

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<v Speaker 2>those meat heead, sort of guys that you'd meet at

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<v Speaker 2>a festival. I mean, I've never seen I haven't really

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<v Speaker 2>seen photos of them, but I wouldn't be surprised the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that he said he didn't cheat, but he'd cross boundaries.

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<v Speaker 2>I reckon strip club maybe. What is also quite interesting

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<v Speaker 2>is that after the breakup with Jen, Matt was forced

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<v Speaker 2>to move back in with his mum, but he was

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<v Speaker 2>only there for four months because it took him four

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<v Speaker 2>months to then shack up with Tammy hembro on the gold.

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<v Speaker 1>Goes to be fair. Melbourne rent is very expensive. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it is very expensive, but the timing says a bit doesn't. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Matt and Tammy ended up following each other again

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<v Speaker 2>the next day, but it's not the first time they

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<v Speaker 2>have unfollowed each other. So back in April they unfollowed

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<v Speaker 2>one another briefly, and that was following the infamous Grand

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<v Speaker 2>Prix DM fiasco. It's clear that Tammy and Matt's followers

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<v Speaker 2>want to know what led to this most recent unfollowing,

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<v Speaker 2>so one person wrote under one of Matt's posts, why

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<v Speaker 2>have you and Tammy unfollowed each other on Instagram? Looks

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<v Speaker 2>as though she has deleted a lot of photos with

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<v Speaker 2>you as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Now Matt, of course did not reply.

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<v Speaker 2>One listener weighed in our Facebook community, saying, definitely something

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<v Speaker 2>fishy going on. You should not be marrying someone if

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<v Speaker 2>you were finding yourself unfollowing them. Post arguments and then

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<v Speaker 2>adding them after again. That would be a big red

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<v Speaker 2>flag for me. There is no easy or quick divorce.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got to say, like, I have never unfollowed Dale

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<v Speaker 2>off Instagram, and I can't even imagine unfollowing him in.

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<v Speaker 1>The lead up to our wedding.

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<v Speaker 2>Particularly if you are a public figure and people on

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<v Speaker 2>a daily basis are keeping track of who you're following

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<v Speaker 2>and unfollowing, you're clearly trying to send.

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<v Speaker 1>A message there. Yeah, it's just bizarre behavior.

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<v Speaker 2>Another follower, which I tend to agree with, said Matt

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<v Speaker 2>is a boy, not yet a man. I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>there must have been a lot of pressure on them

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<v Speaker 2>to reconcile after this fight, particularly when the Hen's Party

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<v Speaker 2>in Bucks Party was only a few days away. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>Matt had people flying in from Melbourne. I'm sure there's

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<v Speaker 2>been a lot of money poured into the Hen's Party.

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<v Speaker 2>It looked like a very lavish event. They had caterer's

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<v Speaker 2>event planners.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, there seemed to.

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<v Speaker 2>Be a lot of partnership deals riding on this Hen's

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<v Speaker 2>Party and Bucks Party going ahead, so financially and also

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<v Speaker 2>from a business perspective, it would have been bad to

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<v Speaker 2>pull the pin well this party did end up eventuating

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<v Speaker 2>and Tammy looked incredible. So she was really vibing Marilyn Munroe,

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<v Speaker 2>particularly with her hair. So she wore a white mini

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<v Speaker 2>dress from Sydney designer Aston Bridle, and I saw their

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<v Speaker 2>TikTok account and they were so excited to give her

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<v Speaker 2>this dress. Yeah. Well it had a corsett top and

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<v Speaker 2>this little puffy skirt with these draping bows at the front.

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<v Speaker 2>It appeared like this was a partnership deal because she

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<v Speaker 2>kept tagging them in the posts, and then she also

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<v Speaker 2>provided them with photos and videos for them to share

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<v Speaker 2>on their own social media accounts. Now, Tammy's bridesmaids did

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<v Speaker 2>an amazing job. They organized this beautiful long lunch at

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<v Speaker 2>a very fancy house on the gold Coat.

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<v Speaker 1>I wondered if it was Tammy's house, it looked a

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<v Speaker 1>lot like hers. No, it wouldn't have been her house.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a different house that they'd hired out and

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<v Speaker 2>they had an event company called Next Event. It was

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<v Speaker 2>very esthetic looking, and as I said earlier, there were

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<v Speaker 2>just so many sponsorship dealers going on. So they had

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<v Speaker 2>in the roundhouse who appeared to supply all of the crockery,

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<v Speaker 2>and they.

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<v Speaker 1>Also had two chefs there.

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<v Speaker 2>They were cooking up the long lunch in the kitchen,

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<v Speaker 2>and Tammy tagged them as well, just to point out there,

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<v Speaker 2>because we've got so many influences who contact us and

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<v Speaker 2>they're like, no, I was just being nice and tagging them.

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<v Speaker 2>So in Tammy's defense, she may have just tagged them

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<v Speaker 2>because they were doing a good job.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we don't know. I think she paid for

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<v Speaker 1>hair and makeup.

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<v Speaker 2>I think often people just tag hair and makeup because

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<v Speaker 2>they build a connection with them and a bit of

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<v Speaker 2>a friendship whilst they're doing it. But I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>that she's just tagging a caterer willy nilly. One of

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<v Speaker 2>the cool details I liked from The Bridesmaids was that

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<v Speaker 2>they created a cocktail list which was named after Tammy's

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<v Speaker 2>hall passes. And I don't know if I rate some

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<v Speaker 2>of these hall passes, Like there's Keanu Reeves, Patrick Dempsey,

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<v Speaker 2>Pedro Pascal.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't even know who John Kransky is. Is that

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<v Speaker 1>why you say his name?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I had to google them as well.

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<v Speaker 2>They're on the older side, But I feel like Keanu

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<v Speaker 2>Reeves is maybe one of her old school hall passes.

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<v Speaker 2>He seemed to be quite popular, you know, back in

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<v Speaker 2>the day. Now, Anna McAvoy didn't make a surprise appearance.

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<v Speaker 2>It looked like it was a very intimate group of girls.

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<v Speaker 2>I was surprised to see Lily Brown there, though I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't realize they were so close. I know that she

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<v Speaker 2>attended their New Year's party, but I wouldn't have had

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<v Speaker 2>her on my list of people I expected to see their,

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<v Speaker 2>particularly because Anna didn't get an invite.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, I'm assuming Anna didn't go to Matt's things.

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<v Speaker 2>No, No, there was only one photo that Matt posted

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<v Speaker 2>the next day of what looked like to be a

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<v Speaker 2>bit of a piss up, and the friends were just

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<v Speaker 2>what you would expect, and he was wearing a convict.

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<v Speaker 1>Outfit like on his podcast he said that.

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<v Speaker 2>He wanted to wear like a western outfit. But it's

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<v Speaker 2>clear that his friends really didn't organize anything. So I'm

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<v Speaker 2>guessing that the convict is the old life. Oh, the

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<v Speaker 2>old ball and chain.

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<v Speaker 1>She's lost.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah down, His groomsmen might have organized his costume for him,

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<v Speaker 2>like they obviously always stitch.

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<v Speaker 1>Up the groom. I enjoyed all of the social media

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<v Speaker 1>content that came up.

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<v Speaker 2>Because there was one video which Tammy shared and she

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<v Speaker 2>was up on a chair dancing to Shania Twain and

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<v Speaker 2>she legitimately looked like she was having a really good time.

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<v Speaker 2>That's really as rowdy as it got, and it seemed

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<v Speaker 2>like the whole joint Hucks party was a bit of

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<v Speaker 2>an afterthought. It seemed like they were all very intoxicated

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<v Speaker 2>when they got there, because after the lunch, Tammy then

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<v Speaker 2>moved on to the Star Gold Coast and they'd set

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<v Speaker 2>up this beautiful room with her.

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<v Speaker 1>Again.

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<v Speaker 2>I think this was also another sponsorship deal, because she

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<v Speaker 2>was tagging them and they had this huge suite and

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<v Speaker 2>her bridesmaids had set up all these white balloons and

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<v Speaker 2>they had these cute photos of Tammy and Matt's faces.

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<v Speaker 2>But it just seemed like you know when you know,

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<v Speaker 2>when you're day drinking and it's just gone on for

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<v Speaker 2>too long and everyone's getting really messy, Like I just

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<v Speaker 2>kind of got those vibes.

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<v Speaker 1>And Emily actually left the party.

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<v Speaker 2>Really so she stayed for the lunch and then she

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<v Speaker 2>basically said that she had escaped the hens to join

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<v Speaker 2>her husband at dinner. I'm guessing they're probably debriefing about

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<v Speaker 2>the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Well, that doesn't sound good.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the Daily Mail have been trying to paint

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<v Speaker 2>the event of some big flop, because they put up

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<v Speaker 2>a whole load of paparazzi shots and Tammy appeared to

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<v Speaker 2>be crying in the photos when she met up with Matt.

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't buy it because there were so many

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<v Speaker 2>different photos in different articles that they shared, and in

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<v Speaker 2>one she's kissing him and smiling, and in the next.

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<v Speaker 1>She looks like she's teary.

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<v Speaker 2>To be honest, I think she was touching her fake eyelashes.

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<v Speaker 2>That's all I think it was. I thought it looked

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<v Speaker 2>like he had given her a bracelet and she was like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my god, thank you so much, like she'd probably

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<v Speaker 2>been drunk, so it was a bit teary at the

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<v Speaker 2>sight of seeing her fiance. Well, the Daily Mail went

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<v Speaker 2>as far as quoting an anonymous insider who said that

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<v Speaker 2>Tammy was visibly upset and Matt was trying to comfort her,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was clear that she didn't want his affection

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<v Speaker 2>and turned her back on him.

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<v Speaker 1>Was the source of the photographer, Yeah, exactly. Well.

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<v Speaker 2>They then also claimed that another insider said that the

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<v Speaker 2>whole blow up and the unfollowing fiasco was down to

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<v Speaker 2>Tammy bringing up a prenup. Look, it's a really hard

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<v Speaker 2>one because no one actually knows what's going on in

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<v Speaker 2>their lives. But that's why they need to be really

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<v Speaker 2>careful about the way that they talk about the relationship

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<v Speaker 2>online and also all of this unfollowing business because people read.

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<v Speaker 1>So much into it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I know they've been sharing a few tiktoks where

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<v Speaker 2>they've reacted to some of the media coverages if they

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<v Speaker 2>don't care, but unfortunately they're bringing it.

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<v Speaker 1>On a lot themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>Another thing the Daily Mail did that I thought was

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<v Speaker 2>really gross is that they captured photos of Tammy entering

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<v Speaker 2>her hens lunch and they basically upskirted her. So she

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<v Speaker 2>was walking up this little staircase to enter the house

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<v Speaker 2>and they snapped in an upwards direction so you could

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<v Speaker 2>literally see the outline of her bum and I just

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<v Speaker 2>thought it was foul, because you know, she's got this

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful dress on. She is potentially unaware that presumably these

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<v Speaker 2>men are taking these photos of her, and then they

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<v Speaker 2>just post them as if it's nothing. It's just it's

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<v Speaker 2>really tacky and gross and just objectifying her.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think this is.

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<v Speaker 2>Also why Tammy felt the need to upload photos and

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<v Speaker 2>Instagram stories on the day of the Hens because she

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<v Speaker 2>probably wanted to get in first. Now the day after

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<v Speaker 2>the Hens, she also uploaded a carousel and as the caption,

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<v Speaker 2>she wrote, just call me missus Zakowski, and that seemed

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<v Speaker 2>to elicit a really strong response from followers.

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<v Speaker 1>One wrote, please do a prenup.

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<v Speaker 2>You may not want to listen to anyone, but it

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<v Speaker 2>covers your babies and you worked hard for what you

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<v Speaker 2>have before anyone came along, whilst another said Tammy Zakowski

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't hit now. Tammy ended up replying to that comment

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<v Speaker 2>and said does for me with a drooling face.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you actually think she's going to change her name?

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<v Speaker 2>She is so When she appeared on Matt's podcast at

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<v Speaker 2>the start of the year, she said that legally she'll

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<v Speaker 2>be changing her name to Tammy Zakowski, but it sounds

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<v Speaker 2>like for social media stuff she'll keep at Hembro.

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<v Speaker 1>Because it's too can using.

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<v Speaker 4>Just a decision Josh and.

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<v Speaker 1>I made Hinnis mogul.

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<v Speaker 2>Steph Claire Smith has revealed she will no longer be

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<v Speaker 2>sharing her son Harvey's face online. The three year old

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<v Speaker 2>has been a fixture on both Steph and her husband

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<v Speaker 2>Josh's social media channels.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Steph opened up about the decision in a question and answer.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's what she said.

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<v Speaker 5>And this has just been because he's gotten to an

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<v Speaker 5>age now where he's he's a little boy, he's quite recognizable,

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<v Speaker 5>and we've had and people have obviously absolutely meant well,

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<v Speaker 5>but people who have recognized me or recognized Harvey have

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<v Speaker 5>kind of gone up to him and said Hi Harvey.

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<v Speaker 1>And I just started to think.

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<v Speaker 4>About how uncomfortable I felt with like, especially when there

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<v Speaker 4>was times when I wasn't with him or Josh and

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<v Speaker 4>I weren't with him and he was out with like

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know, a nanny or a family member, or

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<v Speaker 4>even at daycare and someone would go up to him

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<v Speaker 4>and say, Hi, Harvey. I feel like for a kid,

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<v Speaker 4>that would just be so confusing. If strangers coming up

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<v Speaker 4>to you and knowing your.

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<v Speaker 2>Name, that would be really unsettling to have people coming

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<v Speaker 2>up to your child, particularly when you're.

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<v Speaker 1>Not there, Like, what a weird situation to be.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm sure that people had the right intentions,

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<v Speaker 2>but I don't think I'd ever walk up to a

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<v Speaker 2>child who I'd seen on social media and just try

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<v Speaker 2>and talk to I actually remember we were shooting a

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<v Speaker 2>video at a childcare center and there was an Adelaide

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<v Speaker 2>influencer's child there and I recognized the kid instantly.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's no way I would have acknowledged it and

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<v Speaker 1>spoken to him.

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<v Speaker 2>It's weird and it'd be so confusing, and it would

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<v Speaker 2>give them this really strange view of the world, because

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<v Speaker 2>then do they just assume that everyone knows who they

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<v Speaker 2>are now. Steph continued saying that the situation also made

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<v Speaker 2>it difficult to teach him about stranger danger and who

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<v Speaker 2>he can trust. And it would be like, how can

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<v Speaker 2>you say, oh, don't worry. The people that come up

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<v Speaker 2>to you are nice, yeah, but also also potentially dangerous.

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<v Speaker 2>But if someone came up to him and said, hey, Harvey,

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<v Speaker 2>your mum has asked me to come and pick you up,

0:20:58.080 --> 0:20:59.639
<v Speaker 2>the kid would be like, oh, okay, I'll just go

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<v Speaker 2>with you. It really does show that by sharing a

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<v Speaker 2>kid online that they are just so easily recognizable, especially

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<v Speaker 2>when you've.

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<v Speaker 1>Got millions and millions of followers.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, Steph is one of the I think the

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<v Speaker 2>most well known Australian influence.

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<v Speaker 1>I think she's a celebrity as well, that she's a famous.

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<v Speaker 2>Model, and it also really shows this strange parasocial relationship

0:21:20.840 --> 0:21:23.680
<v Speaker 2>you can build with a child. I mean, we've literally

0:21:23.800 --> 0:21:27.480
<v Speaker 2>heard about Steph's pregnancies, We've heard her birth story, We've

0:21:27.480 --> 0:21:30.120
<v Speaker 2>seen photos of him brought home from the hospital, We've

0:21:30.119 --> 0:21:32.960
<v Speaker 2>heard about his tantrums, like we have had a fly

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<v Speaker 2>on the wall look into this little kid's life, which

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<v Speaker 2>actually sounds so weird when you say it out loud. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>and also, Harvey's been a big part of her husband,

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<v Speaker 2>Josh's social media content because on his TikTok, he was

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<v Speaker 2>sharing a lot of videos of his son sitting down

0:21:47.800 --> 0:21:49.479
<v Speaker 2>while he made a coffee. Well, a lot of them

0:21:49.520 --> 0:21:52.439
<v Speaker 2>are paid partnerships as well, which I totally understand because

0:21:52.840 --> 0:21:55.560
<v Speaker 2>Josh is the full time stay at home dad, so

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<v Speaker 2>obviously he's wanting to work out a way that he

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<v Speaker 2>can make money whilst raising Harvey. And I think what

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<v Speaker 2>has really added to this parasocial relationship with his family

0:22:04.240 --> 0:22:07.040
<v Speaker 2>is the fact that Steph often opens up about her

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<v Speaker 2>struggles as a mum.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think the reason she does this.

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<v Speaker 2>Is because you know, she's a model, she's starting, she's

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<v Speaker 2>got abs, she's got this five million Dollar House. So

0:22:15.400 --> 0:22:19.159
<v Speaker 2>she's trying to find some relatability by talking about her

0:22:19.200 --> 0:22:21.320
<v Speaker 2>struggles as a mum. But is it her trying to

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<v Speaker 2>find relatability or is it her just actually sharing about

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<v Speaker 2>her life organically and these things have.

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<v Speaker 1>Popped up and she wants to talk about them.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think she's that, you know, strategic. I don't

0:22:31.480 --> 0:22:34.520
<v Speaker 2>think there's anything wrong with being strategic. I'm just more

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<v Speaker 2>saying that I think that Kick have tried to build

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<v Speaker 2>this platform on relatability, and it would be really hard

0:22:40.800 --> 0:22:42.639
<v Speaker 2>when maybe your life isn't that relatable.

0:22:42.640 --> 0:22:43.760
<v Speaker 1>And I think that she is.

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<v Speaker 2>Trying to create a community of mums and also that's

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<v Speaker 2>her new life now, so that's also why she's sharing

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<v Speaker 2>about it.

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<v Speaker 1>We do you think she's going to have an issue though?

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<v Speaker 2>Because she has been sharing his face and about him

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<v Speaker 2>for such a long time now, I would argue he's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be wreckingognizable for a good number of years,

0:23:02.160 --> 0:23:06.720
<v Speaker 2>and especially like even I've seen for example, Leyton Hewitt

0:23:06.760 --> 0:23:10.199
<v Speaker 2>and Beck Hewitt's child Mia, she was photographed all the

0:23:10.280 --> 0:23:12.600
<v Speaker 2>time at the OZ Open and now they're even following

0:23:12.640 --> 0:23:13.919
<v Speaker 2>her around as an eighteen year old.

0:23:14.359 --> 0:23:15.280
<v Speaker 1>It seems to be obsessed with her.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so weird because it's not as if she's in

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<v Speaker 2>the public eye.

0:23:18.520 --> 0:23:19.880
<v Speaker 1>For her career or anything.

0:23:20.000 --> 0:23:22.560
<v Speaker 2>They literally waited until she turned eighteen and then have

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<v Speaker 2>all these grow shots of her at the beach.

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<v Speaker 1>It is awful.

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<v Speaker 2>It's because she looks nothing like Layton and Beck and

0:23:27.760 --> 0:23:29.000
<v Speaker 2>she's like, look, she kind of does.

0:23:29.280 --> 0:23:30.040
<v Speaker 1>It's because she's.

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<v Speaker 2>Out partying as well. She's always smoking and stuff like

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<v Speaker 2>that us.

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<v Speaker 1>Most eighteen year olds are.

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<v Speaker 2>But getting back to this, I think because she's made

0:23:38.320 --> 0:23:40.800
<v Speaker 2>a lot of headlines by talking about him, because you know,

0:23:40.880 --> 0:23:44.159
<v Speaker 2>we spoke about it last year where she said flippantly,

0:23:44.200 --> 0:23:46.679
<v Speaker 2>oh my toddler can be a total psycho, and that

0:23:46.760 --> 0:23:49.280
<v Speaker 2>made a headline and a lot of mums related to

0:23:49.320 --> 0:23:50.800
<v Speaker 2>it and said that they actually.

0:23:50.520 --> 0:23:51.440
<v Speaker 1>Felt very heard.

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<v Speaker 2>And then recently she generated quite a big response by

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<v Speaker 2>taking her son to the gym with her, and we

0:23:56.880 --> 0:23:59.600
<v Speaker 2>spoke about that as well, and many mums sided with

0:23:59.640 --> 0:24:00.440
<v Speaker 2>her and said that.

0:24:00.359 --> 0:24:01.840
<v Speaker 1>They should be allowed to go to the gym. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's really difficult for mums.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's really hard because it has become part of

0:24:05.440 --> 0:24:09.159
<v Speaker 2>her brand. So I wonder whether she will not be

0:24:09.240 --> 0:24:11.840
<v Speaker 2>sharing his face but still be talking about him. Yeah,

0:24:11.840 --> 0:24:14.399
<v Speaker 2>And it seems like Steph is also thinking ahead to

0:24:14.440 --> 0:24:17.040
<v Speaker 2>when Harvey goes to school, which isn't that far away,

0:24:17.400 --> 0:24:19.919
<v Speaker 2>because she said that she's concerned that her being so

0:24:20.080 --> 0:24:22.760
<v Speaker 2>open about him could affect him in the school yard.

0:24:23.040 --> 0:24:26.679
<v Speaker 2>Here's what she said, He's also coming close to that

0:24:26.720 --> 0:24:29.440
<v Speaker 2>school age, so like kids talk and.

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<v Speaker 1>They chat, and.

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<v Speaker 3>I know that with my profile, like the likelihood of

0:24:37.560 --> 0:24:40.199
<v Speaker 3>people bringing up to like coming up to him in

0:24:40.240 --> 0:24:42.600
<v Speaker 3>school or whatever and saying like your mom does this

0:24:42.720 --> 0:24:46.800
<v Speaker 3>or whatever, that's like one thing that I know, well,

0:24:47.000 --> 0:24:50.399
<v Speaker 3>depending on where I'll be in couple of years, that

0:24:50.480 --> 0:24:52.880
<v Speaker 3>he might have to deal with, let alone like him

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<v Speaker 3>being all over my page as well and then having

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<v Speaker 3>access to that.

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder if this is in reference to some of

0:25:00.440 --> 0:25:03.640
<v Speaker 2>the intimate topics that she and her co host Laura

0:25:03.640 --> 0:25:07.120
<v Speaker 2>Henshaw share on their podcast, because they've been promoting their

0:25:07.160 --> 0:25:09.880
<v Speaker 2>podcast with a lot of viral clips and a lot

0:25:09.880 --> 0:25:11.840
<v Speaker 2>of the time it is about their sex life, and

0:25:11.880 --> 0:25:14.439
<v Speaker 2>it's proving to be a very successful strategy for them.

0:25:14.480 --> 0:25:16.480
<v Speaker 2>They're getting a lot of clicks, a lot of views.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, personally, it makes me want to tune in to.

0:25:18.840 --> 0:25:19.479
<v Speaker 1>Hear about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone wants to jucy detail they recently well I think

0:25:23.520 --> 0:25:25.359
<v Speaker 2>it was last year that they spoke about that sex

0:25:25.480 --> 0:25:27.800
<v Speaker 2>challenge that she and Josh did, and I was hooked.

0:25:27.800 --> 0:25:29.800
<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh my god, this is so juicy.

0:25:29.840 --> 0:25:31.720
<v Speaker 2>Well it must be so weird as well, when you

0:25:31.840 --> 0:25:34.359
<v Speaker 2>have kids and they start off being so young and

0:25:34.400 --> 0:25:38.119
<v Speaker 2>not understanding anything, and then the realization that wait a second,

0:25:38.080 --> 0:25:39.399
<v Speaker 2>they're going to grow up and they're going to be

0:25:39.440 --> 0:25:43.280
<v Speaker 2>able to Google you and they're going to hear your parents,

0:25:43.320 --> 0:25:45.160
<v Speaker 2>oh that they had a sex challenge five. I would

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<v Speaker 2>not want to hear about that at all.

0:25:46.280 --> 0:25:49.399
<v Speaker 1>No child should have to read. But could you imagine

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<v Speaker 1>in the school yard.

0:25:50.200 --> 0:25:52.399
<v Speaker 2>I mean this, a lot of this information could be

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<v Speaker 2>used a spot it against a kid. I mean hopefully

0:25:55.200 --> 0:25:57.760
<v Speaker 2>not at five, no, but I mean kids they have

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<v Speaker 2>access to social media.

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<v Speaker 1>It is wild stuff that comes out of young kid's mouth.

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<v Speaker 2>Like our mum's a teacher and she can't believe some

0:26:05.520 --> 0:26:07.480
<v Speaker 2>of the stuff that these young kids know. Do you

0:26:07.480 --> 0:26:10.080
<v Speaker 2>think stuff's going to go back and archive old photos

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<v Speaker 2>of him or is it just moving forward?

0:26:12.480 --> 0:26:13.679
<v Speaker 1>She's not going to show him anymore.

0:26:13.720 --> 0:26:16.680
<v Speaker 2>I reckon, it'll just be a moving forward thing. I've

0:26:16.720 --> 0:26:20.200
<v Speaker 2>noticed on a social media she'll still share photos of him,

0:26:20.720 --> 0:26:23.040
<v Speaker 2>but his face will be more concealed, like he'll be

0:26:23.080 --> 0:26:25.680
<v Speaker 2>turning his head or she'll have riding over the top

0:26:25.720 --> 0:26:27.920
<v Speaker 2>of it. I think it is a positive that they've

0:26:27.960 --> 0:26:30.760
<v Speaker 2>made this decision. It's really responsible to shut it down

0:26:30.840 --> 0:26:33.600
<v Speaker 2>now because they're almost having to say, look, we made

0:26:33.600 --> 0:26:36.800
<v Speaker 2>a mistake by sharing too much, which is really commendable

0:26:36.840 --> 0:26:38.400
<v Speaker 2>to put your hands up and say you've probably done

0:26:38.400 --> 0:26:38.960
<v Speaker 2>the wrong thing.

0:26:39.520 --> 0:26:41.880
<v Speaker 1>And I just think ultimately it's really.

0:26:41.720 --> 0:26:44.119
<v Speaker 2>Sad that people have to be so careful, but it

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<v Speaker 2>is just the reality of social media.

0:26:47.359 --> 0:26:50.479
<v Speaker 3>Hey guys, it's been a hot minute since I've been

0:26:50.480 --> 0:26:52.640
<v Speaker 3>on TikTok, but I'm relaunching myself.

0:26:54.000 --> 0:26:57.680
<v Speaker 2>Controversial slickstick owner Mia Plastic has made a very odd

0:26:57.720 --> 0:27:01.720
<v Speaker 2>business move launching a new mother during Instagram account. We'd

0:27:01.760 --> 0:27:05.280
<v Speaker 2>wait for it, Sophie, the same name as Australia's biggest

0:27:05.280 --> 0:27:06.800
<v Speaker 2>women's media publication.

0:27:07.080 --> 0:27:08.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is just wild.

0:27:08.840 --> 0:27:12.520
<v Speaker 2>So Mia launched this account on Friday and called it

0:27:12.680 --> 0:27:16.320
<v Speaker 2>Mama Miya at Home, which of course is the same

0:27:16.480 --> 0:27:20.120
<v Speaker 2>name as Mia Friedman's media company, Mama Mia, which has

0:27:20.200 --> 0:27:24.080
<v Speaker 2>been in business for seventeen years. Now, the bio of

0:27:24.119 --> 0:27:27.280
<v Speaker 2>the account read busy working mama with a passion for

0:27:27.320 --> 0:27:30.439
<v Speaker 2>her baby's health and well being, followed for recipe hacks

0:27:30.480 --> 0:27:31.200
<v Speaker 2>and tips.

0:27:31.320 --> 0:27:35.400
<v Speaker 1>Now, surely Maya is aware of Mama Mia.

0:27:35.480 --> 0:27:38.280
<v Speaker 2>Like you'd have to be living under a rock to

0:27:38.440 --> 0:27:41.359
<v Speaker 2>not have heard of this women's media publication. It's a

0:27:41.480 --> 0:27:44.919
<v Speaker 2>hugely successful news website and also a podcast network.

0:27:44.960 --> 0:27:47.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't really think that you can claim, oh, Sorr,

0:27:47.000 --> 0:27:47.800
<v Speaker 1>I haven't heard of them.

0:27:47.920 --> 0:27:50.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I just don't get it, because she surely knows

0:27:50.800 --> 0:27:53.719
<v Speaker 2>about them, So she's just made this decision anyway, I mean,

0:27:53.760 --> 0:27:55.280
<v Speaker 2>why would you even want to have.

0:27:55.240 --> 0:27:58.359
<v Speaker 1>The same hand or as Mama Maya. It's so confusing.

0:27:58.520 --> 0:28:01.280
<v Speaker 2>I mean, at this stage it is just an Instagram account,

0:28:01.280 --> 0:28:04.160
<v Speaker 2>but she is a serial entrepreneur, and it is clear

0:28:04.160 --> 0:28:07.399
<v Speaker 2>that she'll be eventually looking to monetize it and grow it.

0:28:07.920 --> 0:28:11.680
<v Speaker 2>And I really feel like these days Instagram and mother accounts,

0:28:11.720 --> 0:28:14.639
<v Speaker 2>they are really the modern day equivalent of blog sites,

0:28:14.680 --> 0:28:17.560
<v Speaker 2>and that is fundamentally what Muma Mia started off as,

0:28:17.600 --> 0:28:20.000
<v Speaker 2>and then they turned into a larger media company.

0:28:20.200 --> 0:28:21.240
<v Speaker 1>But regardless of if.

0:28:21.160 --> 0:28:23.920
<v Speaker 2>She turns it into a company, why would she want

0:28:24.000 --> 0:28:27.120
<v Speaker 2>to have the same name as the biggest women's media

0:28:27.160 --> 0:28:28.119
<v Speaker 2>publication of the country.

0:28:28.160 --> 0:28:30.280
<v Speaker 1>I mean, is she that fucking unaware?

0:28:30.520 --> 0:28:34.080
<v Speaker 2>It's pretty brazen, considering she has a history of sending

0:28:34.119 --> 0:28:36.879
<v Speaker 2>out cease and desist letters to anyone who sells a

0:28:36.920 --> 0:28:40.160
<v Speaker 2>similar product to her or a business she doesn't agree with.

0:28:40.680 --> 0:28:43.800
<v Speaker 2>I actually don't think she's unaware of Muma Mia. I

0:28:43.880 --> 0:28:46.600
<v Speaker 2>think that she is being strategic because.

0:28:46.360 --> 0:28:48.520
<v Speaker 1>How let's me explain it to you.

0:28:48.600 --> 0:28:51.880
<v Speaker 2>She has received so much bad publicity over the years

0:28:52.240 --> 0:28:54.320
<v Speaker 2>that a source has told me that she and her husband,

0:28:54.440 --> 0:28:57.680
<v Speaker 2>Justin have allegedly invested a lot of money in SEO

0:28:57.920 --> 0:29:00.880
<v Speaker 2>so that when businesses search for them, all the.

0:29:00.800 --> 0:29:02.120
<v Speaker 1>Negative shit doesn't come up.

0:29:02.440 --> 0:29:05.680
<v Speaker 2>So if she takes on a name that is already popular,

0:29:05.800 --> 0:29:08.600
<v Speaker 2>like Mama Mia, people are going to be searching for

0:29:08.960 --> 0:29:12.360
<v Speaker 2>Mamma Mia at home instead of mea Plassic, and none

0:29:12.360 --> 0:29:14.880
<v Speaker 2>of the negative shit's gonna come up. And also, Mamma

0:29:14.960 --> 0:29:16.840
<v Speaker 2>mer is already a term that has a lot of

0:29:16.920 --> 0:29:19.640
<v Speaker 2>traction with it. It's interesting because I just did a

0:29:19.720 --> 0:29:23.240
<v Speaker 2>search of Mia plastic and there's only positive articles which

0:29:23.280 --> 0:29:26.320
<v Speaker 2>have shown up so far, So the SEO team are

0:29:26.320 --> 0:29:29.719
<v Speaker 2>clearly doing their job. I really feel for Mia Friedman

0:29:29.760 --> 0:29:32.320
<v Speaker 2>and Mama Mea because I would not want anyone to

0:29:32.440 --> 0:29:36.560
<v Speaker 2>think that my brand is affiliated with hers, and I

0:29:36.600 --> 0:29:39.400
<v Speaker 2>don't necessarily think at this stage that it's a breach

0:29:39.520 --> 0:29:42.920
<v Speaker 2>of trademark laws because it is just an Instagram account,

0:29:42.960 --> 0:29:46.080
<v Speaker 2>but it definitely generates a lot of confusion, and if

0:29:46.080 --> 0:29:48.840
<v Speaker 2>she has plans to grow this account, it could turn

0:29:48.840 --> 0:29:51.720
<v Speaker 2>into a business that will then make it an issue.

0:29:51.840 --> 0:29:54.320
<v Speaker 1>Well, it seems like Muma and MIA's lawyers must have gone.

0:29:54.160 --> 0:29:57.280
<v Speaker 2>To it pretty quickly, because when I checked on Friday,

0:29:57.440 --> 0:30:00.160
<v Speaker 2>the account was already down. They definitely got on to

0:30:00.200 --> 0:30:03.240
<v Speaker 2>it quit considering it was a public holiday. It's very

0:30:03.280 --> 0:30:05.680
<v Speaker 2>clear from this move that Mia wants to enter the

0:30:05.760 --> 0:30:06.840
<v Speaker 2>mummy blogging space.

0:30:07.360 --> 0:30:09.360
<v Speaker 1>And she's already been sharing.

0:30:09.240 --> 0:30:11.760
<v Speaker 2>A lot of her very strong views about food and

0:30:11.800 --> 0:30:14.960
<v Speaker 2>the uses of plastic on her main account, and she

0:30:15.200 --> 0:30:19.200
<v Speaker 2>is strongly against manufactured baby food and she makes all of.

0:30:19.160 --> 0:30:21.400
<v Speaker 1>Her own organic homemade.

0:30:20.880 --> 0:30:23.760
<v Speaker 2>Song that's the next thing, that's the next visitess she's

0:30:23.760 --> 0:30:25.200
<v Speaker 2>going to have a baby food brand.

0:30:25.320 --> 0:30:26.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well that's a very good point.

0:30:26.760 --> 0:30:29.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because she wanks on about all of this organic

0:30:29.560 --> 0:30:33.080
<v Speaker 2>food and before announcing her new venture on Friday, she

0:30:33.160 --> 0:30:35.400
<v Speaker 2>shared that she was cooking up bone broth for her

0:30:35.440 --> 0:30:39.320
<v Speaker 2>son as well as organic chicken liver, and she shared

0:30:39.800 --> 0:30:42.840
<v Speaker 2>this whole rant about plastic. So she said that she

0:30:42.960 --> 0:30:46.120
<v Speaker 2>is highly against plastics for her son, and she said

0:30:46.120 --> 0:30:50.160
<v Speaker 2>that microplastics are a huge problem that isn't taken seriously enough.

0:30:50.440 --> 0:30:53.600
<v Speaker 2>She continued saying that everything of her son's is either glass,

0:30:53.640 --> 0:30:57.280
<v Speaker 2>silicon or stainless steel. Now this is despite the fact

0:30:57.320 --> 0:31:01.800
<v Speaker 2>that the previous Instagram story showed his vegetables were stored

0:31:01.840 --> 0:31:04.800
<v Speaker 2>in plastic ziplock bags, and she said, oh no, no,

0:31:04.880 --> 0:31:08.680
<v Speaker 2>but my jars are arriving tomorrow now. She also revealed

0:31:08.680 --> 0:31:12.120
<v Speaker 2>that she'd purchased a stainless steel sippy cup to replace

0:31:12.160 --> 0:31:15.280
<v Speaker 2>the plastic one that she'd been using on her European vacation,

0:31:15.720 --> 0:31:18.840
<v Speaker 2>as that's all she could find there. She prefaced by

0:31:18.880 --> 0:31:21.800
<v Speaker 2>saying that she bought him a new plastic bottle every

0:31:21.880 --> 0:31:24.760
<v Speaker 2>few days and throughout the old ones because she was

0:31:24.840 --> 0:31:27.880
<v Speaker 2>so afraid of the microplastics breaking down in the water.

0:31:28.600 --> 0:31:31.080
<v Speaker 2>Doesn't that sound great for the environment? Why does sisters

0:31:31.200 --> 0:31:34.560
<v Speaker 2>remind me of those tiktoks which show people in two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand and five as teenagers and they're drinking like Red

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<v Speaker 2>Bull and eating Cheetos and they're now in their thirties,

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<v Speaker 2>like everything must be orgaddick. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Well.

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<v Speaker 2>She also said that she'd thrown out all of her

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<v Speaker 2>non stick pans, that she only uses stainless steel ones.

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<v Speaker 2>She's thrown out her plastic utensils and bottles like it

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<v Speaker 2>is giving very much vibes of being a.

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<v Speaker 1>First time mum.

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<v Speaker 2>I think she's gone down one of those TikTok holes.

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<v Speaker 2>I often get stuck in those where everything like you

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<v Speaker 2>can think of.

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<v Speaker 1>Your house is apparently toxic.

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<v Speaker 2>And she's even throwing out his soft toys, which hurts

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<v Speaker 2>my heart. So she's learned that polyester is plastic, so

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<v Speaker 2>that'll be the next to go, and his only toys

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<v Speaker 2>is are silicon or wood. Wait a second, isn't her

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<v Speaker 2>whole slick stick products made out of plastic exactly now?

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<v Speaker 2>In this post, she continued saying, I'm so passionate about

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<v Speaker 2>my little man's health. He has never drank tap water,

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<v Speaker 2>only filtered I don't even know what this is, canngan

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<v Speaker 2>or spring water. He's never eaten anything other than food.

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<v Speaker 1>I've cooked him all my breast milk.

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<v Speaker 2>All the ingredients are certified organic his nappies are all

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<v Speaker 2>natural cotton with no dyes.

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<v Speaker 1>I only use natural.

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<v Speaker 2>Water wipes that are bio degradable. Does she think that

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<v Speaker 2>that makes up for the tens of baby plastic baby

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<v Speaker 2>bottles that she throw out during her weeks in Europe?

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<v Speaker 1>Like, oh thank god?

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<v Speaker 2>There By, I don't want to judge her, because I

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<v Speaker 2>have this fear that I am going to turn into

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<v Speaker 2>an earth Mother when I have children.

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<v Speaker 1>There's something I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>There's something about it that I think people's minds flick

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<v Speaker 2>over and they go, I need to protect this baby

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<v Speaker 2>at all accounts.

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<v Speaker 1>The only thing I find funny.

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<v Speaker 2>About it is that regardless of how much you shelter

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<v Speaker 2>your child from having plastics or whatever she's doing, one

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<v Speaker 2>day they're going to turn into a teenager who goes

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<v Speaker 2>to McDonald's.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, it's just the reality. I agree to some extent.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that it's quite noble to find out what

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<v Speaker 2>you're feeding your kids, and everyone has the choice of

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<v Speaker 2>what products and things that they feel comfortable with. I

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<v Speaker 2>just feel like, knowing her and her background, it all

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<v Speaker 2>sounds really extreme and almost conspiracy theory esque, particularly as

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<v Speaker 2>she's a known anti vaxxer. She's much an anti lockdown protest,

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<v Speaker 2>and she was trying to get a black market doctor

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<v Speaker 2>to give her a COVID passport.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how extreme she gets.

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<v Speaker 2>And I sort of feel like saying, well, you're saying

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<v Speaker 2>you care so much about your son's health, you haven't

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<v Speaker 2>even gotten fucking vaccinated. Well on that issue, I do

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<v Speaker 2>find it irritating when I see some mums copying online though,

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<v Speaker 2>when they do pack their kid a healthy lunchbox, because

0:33:55.800 --> 0:33:58.440
<v Speaker 2>who cops it for packing the cat sat Day is

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<v Speaker 2>actually one of them. I saw a recent TikTok and

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<v Speaker 2>she was showing all these healthy things that she's packed

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<v Speaker 2>Fox for his lunch, and so many people were like

0:34:06.400 --> 0:34:08.600
<v Speaker 2>tearing out a shreds, And then I saw one comment

0:34:08.640 --> 0:34:10.960
<v Speaker 2>that was like, wait a sec, like why are we

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<v Speaker 2>tearing women apart for actually giving their kids good nutritious

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I actually one hundred percent agree, because sometimes

0:34:17.520 --> 0:34:21.200
<v Speaker 2>you see these lunchboxes and it's like pack ten tons

0:34:21.200 --> 0:34:23.640
<v Speaker 2>of tiny teddies and everything's processed and whatever. And I

0:34:23.719 --> 0:34:26.560
<v Speaker 2>understand that kids needs treats, but why is it that

0:34:26.640 --> 0:34:28.799
<v Speaker 2>we're so critical when other people go the other way

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<v Speaker 2>and they try and be helped.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>It is because of this is the word motor boating.

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<v Speaker 2>This absolute like motor boating of it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like old pretentiousness.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, look at my perfect lunch box that I've spent

0:34:41.120 --> 0:34:43.359
<v Speaker 2>all of this money and time doing, Like a lot

0:34:43.400 --> 0:34:46.120
<v Speaker 2>of mums are time poor. And the thing that people

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<v Speaker 2>don't like is the broadcasting about on social media because

0:34:50.080 --> 0:34:53.279
<v Speaker 2>it turns into mum shaming because it's sort of like, well,

0:34:53.320 --> 0:34:55.320
<v Speaker 2>you're a shit mum if you have a plastic bottle

0:34:55.360 --> 0:34:58.440
<v Speaker 2>for your kids and it goes too far. I do

0:34:58.560 --> 0:35:00.759
<v Speaker 2>understand that, but I think some tis there should be

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<v Speaker 2>more education around. For example, it's probably not a good

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<v Speaker 2>thing to give your kids so much food containing sugar

0:35:07.560 --> 0:35:08.320
<v Speaker 2>for their lunch.

0:35:09.160 --> 0:35:10.480
<v Speaker 1>Sugar the walls.

0:35:10.480 --> 0:35:12.759
<v Speaker 2>This isn't about sugar though, This is about shaming and

0:35:12.800 --> 0:35:15.319
<v Speaker 2>putting pressure on mums who are also probably trying their

0:35:15.360 --> 0:35:17.440
<v Speaker 2>best and probably don't have enough money to buy a

0:35:17.440 --> 0:35:20.440
<v Speaker 2>plastic bottle every couple of days and then dispose of

0:35:20.440 --> 0:35:22.359
<v Speaker 2>it with no care for the environment. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I do want to have the resources to live.

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<v Speaker 2>This sul I'm saying is I'm all for education online

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<v Speaker 2>about nutrition, and I think that sometimes there does need

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<v Speaker 2>to be better education for parents and also children about

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<v Speaker 2>what they're putting in their bodies.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Amy, there might be an account for you to

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<v Speaker 1>follow a nearly renamed mum and mea at home. I'm

0:35:41.280 --> 0:35:43.800
<v Speaker 1>not interested in that account.

0:35:44.520 --> 0:35:46.799
<v Speaker 2>Do we need another Pete Evans like he sort of

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<v Speaker 2>just disappeared? Do we need to just just has someone

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<v Speaker 2>that's a bit less extreme about it?

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<v Speaker 1>And I would definitely follow them. Well, I'm all for

0:35:53.120 --> 0:35:53.960
<v Speaker 1>the chaotic mums.

0:35:53.960 --> 0:35:56.319
<v Speaker 2>I would rather see a chaotic mum who's trying her

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<v Speaker 2>best and he's perhaps throwing some shapes or some tiny

0:35:59.239 --> 0:36:01.759
<v Speaker 2>teddies in with an It's all about balance. That's what

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<v Speaker 2>people don't seem to get. Yeah, well, I think that's

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