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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken.

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Speaker 2: It's your dose of the hottest influencer and pop culture

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Speaker 2: news twice a week. I'm Sophie Torber and coming up

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Speaker 2: on today's show, Tammy Hembro and Matt Zakowski dramatically unfollow

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Speaker 2: each other. Days out from their joint Hucks party, Steph

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Speaker 2: Claire Smith has revealed she will no longer be sharing

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Speaker 2: her son's face online and mia Plastic's very puzzling business move.

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Speaker 2: But first, Sophie, there's been another twist in the Crumble

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Speaker 2: cookie drama.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this story is getting interesting.

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Speaker 2: As a quick refresher, last week there was a pop

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Speaker 2: up event in North Bonda and there was a it

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Speaker 2: was he a teenager, a young kid who looked like

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Speaker 2: they were from a private school, not the stereotype, who

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Speaker 2: held an event pretending to be the cookie brand.

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Speaker 1: Allegedly, they were.

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Speaker 2: Selling these cookies for seventeen dollars fifty of pop and

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Speaker 2: from all accounts, they were quite stale. Because this schoolboy

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Speaker 2: had flown to Hawaii, he'd bought seven hundred cookies.

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Speaker 1: And he decided to sell them off. A lot of

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Speaker 1: people are saying he's quite.

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Speaker 2: Entrepreneurial, but it hasn't really been great for him because

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Speaker 2: the backlash has been pretty intense. But who it has

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Speaker 2: been good for is the real Crumbles. So they released

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Speaker 2: a statement saying they will accelerate their plans to bring

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Speaker 2: the brand to Australia following the controversy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah so. In this official.

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Speaker 2: Statement, the Crumble team said it has been amazed by

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Speaker 2: the support of fans in Australia over recent weeks and

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Speaker 2: as a result, they've been inspired to bring their cookies

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Speaker 2: to Australia so us Ozzie's can actually have a true

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Speaker 2: Crumble experience. I mean, if this isn't perfect pr last

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Speaker 2: week we spoke about whether this was a good or

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Speaker 2: bad thing for the company. Obviously it's been a positive

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Speaker 2: because they've been able to see how many Australians are

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Speaker 2: so desperate for these cookies. But also it's interesting that

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Speaker 2: they preface that they want customers to have the true experience,

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Speaker 2: because then again, all of these people who purchased the

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Speaker 2: fake cookies for seventeen fifty and had a bad experience,

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Speaker 2: they want to turn that experience around. I love the

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Speaker 2: fact that so many TikTokers are creating their own version

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Speaker 2: of the Crumble cookie so Michael Finch recently did his

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Speaker 2: own recipe for it is definitely generated a lot of

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Speaker 2: attention for this brand. Yeah, and Crumble have also released

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Speaker 2: an official Australian Instagram account. So previously the pop up

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Speaker 2: went under the name of Crumble Sydney. Crumble have taken

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Speaker 2: Crumble Australia and they've released this reel and in the

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Speaker 2: real it starts off by showing all of the news

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Speaker 2: coverage that the pop up event got and then it

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Speaker 2: says the real Crumble is coming soon. But my favorite

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Speaker 2: part of it is that they have this graphic and

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Speaker 2: in the graphic there's a little koala holding a Crumble.

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Speaker 1: Cookie, which I just thought was so cute. Plot twist.

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Speaker 2: This has been a stunt by the company all along,

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Speaker 2: and they've paid this boy to go into weak. We

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Speaker 2: spoke about one of the organizers before, and the Daily

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Speaker 2: Mail did this huge expose where they named this Sydney

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Speaker 2: schoolboy as being the boy behind this pop up and

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Speaker 2: they even featured a photo of his mum outside her

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Speaker 2: four million dollar BELvue Hills mansion. But suddenly three days

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Speaker 2: later the photo of the mother was removed. The boy's

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Speaker 2: name has been removed. They still reference him as a

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Speaker 2: year ten student from a.

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Speaker 1: Prestigious Sydney school.

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Speaker 2: But I'm assuming that the family have called in the lawyers.

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Speaker 2: But they're probably so pleased now because this statement from

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Speaker 2: Crumble has taken the heat off this kid, because now

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Speaker 2: it seems like he should be being praised for getting

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Speaker 2: the cookie giant down under.

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Speaker 1: How long will we love each other?

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Speaker 3: For?

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Speaker 1: Always and forever?

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Speaker 2: It's been a big week for fitness influencer Tammy Hembro

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Speaker 2: and her fiance Matt Sakowski. The couple created headlines for

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Speaker 2: dramatically unfollowing each other on Instagram days out from their

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Speaker 2: lavish joint Hucks party. I first was alerted to this

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Speaker 2: when a listener in our Facebook group asked if Tammy's

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Speaker 2: profile was down, and listeners began replying that they also

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Speaker 2: couldn't see her account.

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Speaker 1: Because originally, when I had.

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Speaker 2: A look, I thought, oh, maybe she's blocked us, because

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Speaker 2: we have been covering quite a lot about her relationship

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Speaker 2: with Matt. But it appeared to be done for everyone,

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Speaker 2: and it looked as though she had temporarily deactivated her account,

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Speaker 2: because within an hour it was back up again, but

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Speaker 2: she was following one less person and that was of

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Speaker 2: course her fiance Matt. And interestingly, Matt was also not

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Speaker 2: following Tammy, which got a lot of people talking.

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Speaker 1: But that can also happen if you block someone.

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Speaker 2: Oh, she had clearly blocked him, because if he blocked someone,

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Speaker 2: it removes that person from all of your photo tags.

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Speaker 1: Yes, suddenly his name was not appearing, so it.

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Speaker 2: Looked like she blocked him, then deactivated her account, and

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Speaker 2: then brought it back at It was interesting timing because

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Speaker 2: Matt had been in Melbourne and he only just returned

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Speaker 2: to the Gold Coast when all of this blocking went on. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and it was really odd because he jetted back into

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Speaker 2: the Gold Coast with his sister Emma, and he was

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Speaker 2: still posting on his Instagram story. So he was out

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Speaker 2: at this marketplace which he would never normally post about,

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Speaker 2: and it looked really wholesome. It was this cute little

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Speaker 2: joint Hucks party, which was supposed to be happening that weekend.

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Speaker 2: And what is most interesting about this is that Matt's

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Speaker 2: sister Emma also unfollowed Tammy, and I wondered whether this

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Speaker 2: was a tactic to make it look like Tammy had

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Speaker 2: done something wrong. Yeah, and it was all very odd

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Speaker 2: because it's not as if Tammy's sisters unfollowed Matt, and

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Speaker 2: they recently did that interview on Matt's podcast where they

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Speaker 2: all this kind of stuff. So I thought they'd be

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Speaker 2: the first one follow Maybe they thought, oh, this is

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Speaker 2: all going to blow over by the weekend.

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Speaker 1: It's already awkward between us.

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Speaker 2: I may be reading far too much into this, but

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Speaker 2: in one of the Instagram stories that Matt posted at

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Speaker 2: this market, he shared a picture of a stall the

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Speaker 2: specifically sold Dashound merchandise, and he captured the photo what

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Speaker 2: a cute dashy store. This just seems like a really

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Speaker 2: odd thing to share about when you're having a fight

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Speaker 2: with your fiance And instantly the Dashound rung a bell

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Speaker 2: for me and I realized that his ex girlfriend Jen,

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Speaker 2: and she's the one whose name he recently was getting

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Speaker 2: removed from his ass she owns a Dashound.

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Speaker 1: That's because Matt had a tattoo of her name. Yes

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Speaker 1: is what it pointed.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so his ex girlfriend owns a Dashound who Matt

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Speaker 2: used to live with and was obsessed with so the

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Speaker 2: dashhound is called Mucci and Matt was always posting about

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Speaker 2: it on his TikTok before they broke up. Wait a sex,

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Speaker 2: So do you think this fight could have been sparked

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Speaker 2: by the tattoo removal because everyone was talking about it.

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Speaker 2: He'd recently shared this collaboration with this particular numbing cream.

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Speaker 2: She was obviously a hot topic at that time.

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Speaker 1: Possibly.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I also think that maybe the sisters, you know,

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Speaker 2: the pop sharing their two cents about him didn't help.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I just thought this must be a subtle

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Speaker 2: reference to the old days with his partner, Like, was

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Speaker 2: this some sort of dig it Tammy?

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Speaker 1: I feel like you're reading a.

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Speaker 2: Bit too much into it, But the fact that the

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Speaker 2: sister was also at this market is also very old.

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Speaker 2: Why I share about like if your ex live with

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Speaker 2: Like just say your ex had a dog with his

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Speaker 2: partner and it was like this dog that he loved,

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Speaker 2: why would you post about it? It's like you're almost

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Speaker 2: trying to get your ex to message you or something.

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Speaker 2: Unless he was like, oh fuck, I need to share

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Speaker 2: something on my Instagram because I want to see if

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Speaker 2: Tammy or whatever burner accounts or whenever Business Accounts has

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Speaker 2: a look at it to see if she can I've

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Speaker 2: just got to share something, but he'd already shared numerous

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Speaker 2: roaders at this market. Isn't the most awkward thing, though,

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Speaker 2: having to refollow somebody that you have unfollowed. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: mean I've done that before with you guys, when I

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Speaker 2: unfollow you in like a blind rage. And I've stopped

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Speaker 2: doing it because I know it sounds lame, but it

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Speaker 2: always pops up like, oh, you be friends with this

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Speaker 2: person for fifteen years in Facebook stuff. Yeah, on Facebook

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Speaker 2: is embarrassing when it's like you be friends with this

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Speaker 2: person for a year and you're like, oh, I was

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Speaker 2: really intrigued though, to find out more about Matt's relationship

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Speaker 2: with Jen, Like, you have told me not to describe

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Speaker 2: her like this, but she's a normal girlfriend, so she

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Speaker 2: has no reality TV ties at all, because I just

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Speaker 2: think it's an offensive term. Someone's enormy.

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Speaker 1: It's not offensive. It's a fucking pop. It's just a

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Speaker 2: So Matt is known for dating celebrity, so he previously

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Speaker 2: dated Kira Maguire from the Bachelor, and he I don't

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Speaker 2: Matt only dated her for attention, so Genevieve, she didn't

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Speaker 1: She's brunette, not famous.

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Speaker 2: They started dating in twenty twenty one and their relationship

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Speaker 2: was really on again, off again from all reports, and

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Speaker 2: he made twenty twenty three, Matt announced on his podcast

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Speaker 2: started dating Tammy Hembro.

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Speaker 1: And when he announced.

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Speaker 2: The breakup, he said that they were still very much

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Speaker 2: we could all read between the lines because he said,

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Speaker 2: I crossed boundaries that I shouldn't have. I disrespected her

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Speaker 2: in ways that look I'm not proud of now. Immediately

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Speaker 2: I thought this sounded like cheating, but he followed up

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Speaker 2: by saying, it sounds like I cheated on her.

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Speaker 1: Nothing like that happened. It was nothing like that. I

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Speaker 1: was more in a way. I wasn't loyal in situations

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Speaker 1: I should have been.

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Speaker 2: I definitely lost my way and was brought into cultures

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Speaker 2: that are a younger version of me, and I should

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Speaker 2: have just been more true to who I am now

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Speaker 2: and not done that stuff. Obviously, it was too much

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Speaker 2: for both of us, mostly her, and she broke up

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Speaker 2: with that. Sounds like he has either gone to strip

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Speaker 2: clubs with his friends. He's either maybe drunk too.

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Speaker 1: Much, may be drinking or drugs.

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Speaker 2: I mean, well, we don't want to point fingers, but

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Speaker 2: even the fact that last week on his podcast he

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Speaker 2: said to his podcast hosts Anna mcavoyd that you know

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Speaker 2: that he didn't want to invite her to his Bucks

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Speaker 2: party because of his friends, and how Anna didn't get

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Speaker 2: along with it, like I don't know if he's been

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Speaker 2: cult and he acted as if she didn't like the

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Speaker 2: vibe around them. He became they sound like sort of

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Speaker 2: a festival. I mean, I've never seen I haven't really

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Speaker 2: seen photos of them, but I wouldn't be surprised the

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Speaker 2: fact that he said he didn't cheat, but he'd cross boundaries.

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Speaker 2: I reckon strip club maybe. What is also quite interesting

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Speaker 2: One listener weighed in our Facebook community, saying, definitely something

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Speaker 2: and Tammy looked incredible. So she was really vibing Marilyn Munroe,

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Speaker 2: They were cooking up the long lunch in the kitchen,

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Speaker 1: I think we don't know. I think she paid for

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Speaker 2: the cool details I liked from The Bridesmaids was that

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Speaker 1: I didn't even know who John Kransky is. Is that

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Speaker 2: didn't realize they were so close. I know that she

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Speaker 2: attended their New Year's party, but I wouldn't have had

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Speaker 2: No, No, there was only one photo that Matt posted

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Speaker 1: Outfit like on his podcast he said that.

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Speaker 1: She's lost.

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Speaker 2: Yeah down, His groomsmen might have organized his costume for him,

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Speaker 2: Because there was one video which Tammy shared and she

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Speaker 2: That's really as rowdy as it got, and it seemed

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Speaker 1: Again.

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Speaker 2: I think this was also another sponsorship deal, because she

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Speaker 2: her bridesmaids had set up all these white balloons and

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Speaker 2: they had these cute photos of Tammy and Matt's faces.

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Speaker 2: But it just seemed like you know when you know,

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Speaker 2: when you're day drinking and it's just gone on for

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Speaker 2: a whole load of paparazzi shots and Tammy appeared to

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Speaker 2: But I don't buy it because there were so many

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Speaker 2: To be honest, I think she was touching her fake eyelashes.

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Speaker 2: That's all I think it was. I thought it looked

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Speaker 2: as far as quoting an anonymous insider who said that

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Speaker 2: but it was clear that she didn't want his affection

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Speaker 2: Tammy bringing up a prenup. Look, it's a really hard

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Speaker 2: one because no one actually knows what's going on in

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Speaker 2: Another thing the Daily Mail did that I thought was

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Speaker 1: And I think this is.

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Speaker 2: Also why Tammy felt the need to upload photos and

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Speaker 1: One wrote, please do a prenup.

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Speaker 2: You may not want to listen to anyone, but it

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Speaker 2: doesn't hit now. Tammy ended up replying to that comment

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Speaker 2: and said does for me with a drooling face.

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Speaker 1: Do you actually think she's going to change her name?

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Speaker 2: She is so When she appeared on Matt's podcast at

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Speaker 2: like for social media stuff she'll keep at Hembro.

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Speaker 1: Because it's too can using.

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Speaker 4: Just a decision Josh and.

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Speaker 1: I made Hinnis mogul.

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Speaker 2: sharing her son Harvey's face online. The three year old

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: Steph opened up about the decision in a question and answer.

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Speaker 5: and we've had and people have obviously absolutely meant well,

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Speaker 1: And I just started to think.

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Speaker 4: About how uncomfortable I felt with like, especially when there

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Speaker 4: was times when I wasn't with him or Josh and

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Speaker 4: that would just be so confusing. If strangers coming up

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Speaker 1: Not there, Like, what a weird situation to be.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure that people had the right intentions,

441
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Speaker 2: but I don't think I'd ever walk up to a

442
00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,200
Speaker 2: child who I'd seen on social media and just try

443
00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:19,479
Speaker 2: and talk to I actually remember we were shooting a

444
00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,600
Speaker 2: video at a childcare center and there was an Adelaide

445
00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:26,040
Speaker 2: influencer's child there and I recognized the kid instantly.

446
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Speaker 1: But there's no way I would have acknowledged it and

447
00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:29,200
Speaker 1: spoken to him.

448
00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:32,040
Speaker 2: It's weird and it'd be so confusing, and it would

449
00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,800
Speaker 2: give them this really strange view of the world, because

450
00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:37,080
Speaker 2: then do they just assume that everyone knows who they

451
00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:41,880
Speaker 2: are now. Steph continued saying that the situation also made

452
00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:44,760
Speaker 2: it difficult to teach him about stranger danger and who

453
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Speaker 2: he can trust. And it would be like, how can

454
00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:50,800
Speaker 2: you say, oh, don't worry. The people that come up

455
00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,880
Speaker 2: to you are nice, yeah, but also also potentially dangerous.

456
00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:55,840
Speaker 2: But if someone came up to him and said, hey, Harvey,

457
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Speaker 2: your mum has asked me to come and pick you up,

458
00:20:58,080 --> 00:20:59,639
Speaker 2: the kid would be like, oh, okay, I'll just go

459
00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,639
Speaker 2: with you. It really does show that by sharing a

460
00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:06,119
Speaker 2: kid online that they are just so easily recognizable, especially

461
00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:06,680
Speaker 2: when you've.

462
00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:08,560
Speaker 1: Got millions and millions of followers.

463
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Speaker 2: I mean, Steph is one of the I think the

464
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Speaker 2: most well known Australian influence.

465
00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:16,000
Speaker 1: I think she's a celebrity as well, that she's a famous.

466
00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:20,800
Speaker 2: Model, and it also really shows this strange parasocial relationship

467
00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,680
Speaker 2: you can build with a child. I mean, we've literally

468
00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:27,480
Speaker 2: heard about Steph's pregnancies, We've heard her birth story, We've

469
00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,120
Speaker 2: seen photos of him brought home from the hospital, We've

470
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Speaker 2: heard about his tantrums, like we have had a fly

471
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Speaker 2: on the wall look into this little kid's life, which

472
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,160
Speaker 2: actually sounds so weird when you say it out loud. Well,

473
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Speaker 2: and also, Harvey's been a big part of her husband,

474
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Speaker 2: Josh's social media content because on his TikTok, he was

475
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Speaker 2: sharing a lot of videos of his son sitting down

476
00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:49,479
Speaker 2: while he made a coffee. Well, a lot of them

477
00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,439
Speaker 2: are paid partnerships as well, which I totally understand because

478
00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:55,560
Speaker 2: Josh is the full time stay at home dad, so

479
00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:57,600
Speaker 2: obviously he's wanting to work out a way that he

480
00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,479
Speaker 2: can make money whilst raising Harvey. And I think what

481
00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:04,119
Speaker 2: has really added to this parasocial relationship with his family

482
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:07,040
Speaker 2: is the fact that Steph often opens up about her

483
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Speaker 2: struggles as a mum.

484
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Speaker 1: And I think the reason she does this.

485
00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:12,920
Speaker 2: Is because you know, she's a model, she's starting, she's

486
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,360
Speaker 2: got abs, she's got this five million Dollar House. So

487
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:19,159
Speaker 2: she's trying to find some relatability by talking about her

488
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,320
Speaker 2: struggles as a mum. But is it her trying to

489
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Speaker 2: find relatability or is it her just actually sharing about

490
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:25,840
Speaker 2: her life organically and these things have.

491
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Speaker 1: Popped up and she wants to talk about them.

492
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Speaker 2: I don't think she's that, you know, strategic. I don't

493
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Speaker 2: think there's anything wrong with being strategic. I'm just more

494
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:37,200
Speaker 2: saying that I think that Kick have tried to build

495
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,760
Speaker 2: this platform on relatability, and it would be really hard

496
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Speaker 2: when maybe your life isn't that relatable.

497
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Speaker 1: And I think that she is.

498
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Speaker 2: Trying to create a community of mums and also that's

499
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Speaker 2: her new life now, so that's also why she's sharing

500
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Speaker 2: about it.

501
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Speaker 1: We do you think she's going to have an issue though?

502
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Speaker 2: Because she has been sharing his face and about him

503
00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,320
Speaker 2: for such a long time now, I would argue he's

504
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 2: going to be wreckingognizable for a good number of years,

505
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 2: and especially like even I've seen for example, Leyton Hewitt

506
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:10,199
Speaker 2: and Beck Hewitt's child Mia, she was photographed all the

507
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 2: time at the OZ Open and now they're even following

508
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:13,919
Speaker 2: her around as an eighteen year old.

509
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 1: It seems to be obsessed with her.

510
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 2: It's so weird because it's not as if she's in

511
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:18,720
Speaker 2: the public eye.

512
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Speaker 1: For her career or anything.

513
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 2: They literally waited until she turned eighteen and then have

514
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Speaker 2: all these grow shots of her at the beach.

515
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Speaker 1: It is awful.

516
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 2: It's because she looks nothing like Layton and Beck and

517
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 2: she's like, look, she kind of does.

518
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 1: It's because she's.

519
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,240
Speaker 2: Out partying as well. She's always smoking and stuff like

520
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:32,720
Speaker 2: that us.

521
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:34,159
Speaker 1: Most eighteen year olds are.

522
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 2: But getting back to this, I think because she's made

523
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Speaker 2: a lot of headlines by talking about him, because you know,

524
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:44,159
Speaker 2: we spoke about it last year where she said flippantly,

525
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,679
Speaker 2: oh my toddler can be a total psycho, and that

526
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 2: made a headline and a lot of mums related to

527
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 2: it and said that they actually.

528
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:51,440
Speaker 1: Felt very heard.

529
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Speaker 2: And then recently she generated quite a big response by

530
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 2: taking her son to the gym with her, and we

531
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Speaker 2: spoke about that as well, and many mums sided with

532
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:00,440
Speaker 2: her and said that.

533
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 1: They should be allowed to go to the gym. And

534
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:03,159
Speaker 1: it's really difficult for mums.

535
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,439
Speaker 2: So it's really hard because it has become part of

536
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:09,159
Speaker 2: her brand. So I wonder whether she will not be

537
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 2: sharing his face but still be talking about him. Yeah,

538
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,399
Speaker 2: And it seems like Steph is also thinking ahead to

539
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 2: when Harvey goes to school, which isn't that far away,

540
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,919
Speaker 2: because she said that she's concerned that her being so

541
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 2: open about him could affect him in the school yard.

542
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,679
Speaker 2: Here's what she said, He's also coming close to that

543
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 2: school age, so like kids talk and.

544
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Speaker 1: They chat, and.

545
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Speaker 3: I know that with my profile, like the likelihood of

546
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Speaker 3: people bringing up to like coming up to him in

547
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Speaker 3: school or whatever and saying like your mom does this

548
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 3: or whatever, that's like one thing that I know, well,

549
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,399
Speaker 3: depending on where I'll be in couple of years, that

550
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,880
Speaker 3: he might have to deal with, let alone like him

551
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,880
Speaker 3: being all over my page as well and then having

552
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Speaker 3: access to that.

553
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Speaker 2: I wonder if this is in reference to some of

554
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,640
Speaker 2: the intimate topics that she and her co host Laura

555
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,120
Speaker 2: Henshaw share on their podcast, because they've been promoting their

556
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,880
Speaker 2: podcast with a lot of viral clips and a lot

557
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 2: of the time it is about their sex life, and

558
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,439
Speaker 2: it's proving to be a very successful strategy for them.

559
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 2: They're getting a lot of clicks, a lot of views.

560
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,880
Speaker 2: I mean, personally, it makes me want to tune in to.

561
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:19,479
Speaker 1: Hear about it.

562
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 2: Everyone wants to jucy detail they recently well I think

563
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 2: it was last year that they spoke about that sex

564
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 2: challenge that she and Josh did, and I was hooked.

565
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, this is so juicy.

566
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 2: Well it must be so weird as well, when you

567
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 2: have kids and they start off being so young and

568
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 2: not understanding anything, and then the realization that wait a second,

569
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:39,399
Speaker 2: they're going to grow up and they're going to be

570
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 2: able to Google you and they're going to hear your parents,

571
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,160
Speaker 2: oh that they had a sex challenge five. I would

572
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Speaker 2: not want to hear about that at all.

573
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Speaker 1: No child should have to read. But could you imagine

574
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Speaker 1: in the school yard.

575
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Speaker 2: I mean this, a lot of this information could be

576
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Speaker 2: used a spot it against a kid. I mean hopefully

577
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 2: not at five, no, but I mean kids they have

578
00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:59,159
Speaker 2: access to social media.

579
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Speaker 1: It is wild stuff that comes out of young kid's mouth.

580
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 2: Like our mum's a teacher and she can't believe some

581
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 2: of the stuff that these young kids know. Do you

582
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 2: think stuff's going to go back and archive old photos

583
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,399
Speaker 2: of him or is it just moving forward?

584
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:13,679
Speaker 1: She's not going to show him anymore.

585
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 2: I reckon, it'll just be a moving forward thing. I've

586
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 2: noticed on a social media she'll still share photos of him,

587
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 2: but his face will be more concealed, like he'll be

588
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 2: turning his head or she'll have riding over the top

589
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 2: of it. I think it is a positive that they've

590
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 2: made this decision. It's really responsible to shut it down

591
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 2: now because they're almost having to say, look, we made

592
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Speaker 2: a mistake by sharing too much, which is really commendable

593
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:38,400
Speaker 2: to put your hands up and say you've probably done

594
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 2: the wrong thing.

595
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,880
Speaker 1: And I just think ultimately it's really.

596
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 2: Sad that people have to be so careful, but it

597
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 2: is just the reality of social media.

598
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Speaker 3: Hey guys, it's been a hot minute since I've been

599
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,640
Speaker 3: on TikTok, but I'm relaunching myself.

600
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 2: Controversial slickstick owner Mia Plastic has made a very odd

601
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 2: business move launching a new mother during Instagram account. We'd

602
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 2: wait for it, Sophie, the same name as Australia's biggest

603
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 2: women's media publication.

604
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is just wild.

605
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 2: So Mia launched this account on Friday and called it

606
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 2: Mama Miya at Home, which of course is the same

607
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:20,120
Speaker 2: name as Mia Friedman's media company, Mama Mia, which has

608
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 2: been in business for seventeen years. Now, the bio of

609
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 2: the account read busy working mama with a passion for

610
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,439
Speaker 2: her baby's health and well being, followed for recipe hacks

611
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 2: and tips.

612
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:35,400
Speaker 1: Now, surely Maya is aware of Mama Mia.

613
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 2: Like you'd have to be living under a rock to

614
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 2: not have heard of this women's media publication. It's a

615
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,919
Speaker 2: hugely successful news website and also a podcast network.

616
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: I don't really think that you can claim, oh, Sorr,

617
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: I haven't heard of them.

618
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just don't get it, because she surely knows

619
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,719
Speaker 2: about them, So she's just made this decision anyway, I mean,

620
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 2: why would you even want to have.

621
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 1: The same hand or as Mama Maya. It's so confusing.

622
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Speaker 2: I mean, at this stage it is just an Instagram account,

623
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 2: but she is a serial entrepreneur, and it is clear

624
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 2: that she'll be eventually looking to monetize it and grow it.

625
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 2: And I really feel like these days Instagram and mother accounts,

626
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 2: they are really the modern day equivalent of blog sites,

627
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 2: and that is fundamentally what Muma Mia started off as,

628
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 2: and then they turned into a larger media company.

629
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Speaker 1: But regardless of if.

630
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 2: She turns it into a company, why would she want

631
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,120
Speaker 2: to have the same name as the biggest women's media

632
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 2: publication of the country.

633
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Speaker 1: I mean, is she that fucking unaware?

634
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 2: It's pretty brazen, considering she has a history of sending

635
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 2: out cease and desist letters to anyone who sells a

636
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 2: similar product to her or a business she doesn't agree with.

637
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 2: I actually don't think she's unaware of Muma Mia. I

638
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 2: think that she is being strategic because.

639
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: How let's me explain it to you.

640
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 2: She has received so much bad publicity over the years

641
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 2: that a source has told me that she and her husband,

642
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 2: Justin have allegedly invested a lot of money in SEO

643
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 2: so that when businesses search for them, all the.

644
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: Negative shit doesn't come up.

645
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 2: So if she takes on a name that is already popular,

646
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 2: like Mama Mia, people are going to be searching for

647
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 2: Mamma Mia at home instead of mea Plassic, and none

648
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 2: of the negative shit's gonna come up. And also, Mamma

649
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 2: mer is already a term that has a lot of

650
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 2: traction with it. It's interesting because I just did a

651
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 2: search of Mia plastic and there's only positive articles which

652
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 2: have shown up so far, So the SEO team are

653
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,719
Speaker 2: clearly doing their job. I really feel for Mia Friedman

654
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 2: and Mama Mea because I would not want anyone to

655
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 2: think that my brand is affiliated with hers, and I

656
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 2: don't necessarily think at this stage that it's a breach

657
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 2: of trademark laws because it is just an Instagram account,

658
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 2: but it definitely generates a lot of confusion, and if

659
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 2: she has plans to grow this account, it could turn

660
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 2: into a business that will then make it an issue.

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Speaker 1: Well, it seems like Muma and MIA's lawyers must have gone.

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Speaker 2: To it pretty quickly, because when I checked on Friday,

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Speaker 2: the account was already down. They definitely got on to

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Speaker 2: it quit considering it was a public holiday. It's very

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Speaker 2: clear from this move that Mia wants to enter the

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Speaker 2: mummy blogging space.

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Speaker 1: And she's already been sharing.

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Speaker 2: A lot of her very strong views about food and

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Speaker 2: the uses of plastic on her main account, and she

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Speaker 2: is strongly against manufactured baby food and she makes all of.

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Speaker 1: Her own organic homemade.

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Speaker 2: Song that's the next thing, that's the next visitess she's

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Speaker 2: going to have a baby food brand.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's a very good point.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because she wanks on about all of this organic

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Speaker 2: food and before announcing her new venture on Friday, she

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Speaker 2: shared that she was cooking up bone broth for her

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Speaker 2: son as well as organic chicken liver, and she shared

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Speaker 2: this whole rant about plastic. So she said that she

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Speaker 2: is highly against plastics for her son, and she said

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Speaker 2: that microplastics are a huge problem that isn't taken seriously enough.

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Speaker 2: She continued saying that everything of her son's is either glass,

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Speaker 2: silicon or stainless steel. Now this is despite the fact

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Speaker 2: that the previous Instagram story showed his vegetables were stored

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Speaker 2: in plastic ziplock bags, and she said, oh no, no,

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Speaker 2: but my jars are arriving tomorrow now. She also revealed

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Speaker 2: that she'd purchased a stainless steel sippy cup to replace

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Speaker 2: the plastic one that she'd been using on her European vacation,

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Speaker 2: as that's all she could find there. She prefaced by

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Speaker 2: saying that she bought him a new plastic bottle every

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Speaker 2: few days and throughout the old ones because she was

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Speaker 2: so afraid of the microplastics breaking down in the water.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't that sound great for the environment? Why does sisters

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Speaker 2: remind me of those tiktoks which show people in two

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Speaker 2: thousand and five as teenagers and they're drinking like Red

696
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Speaker 2: Bull and eating Cheetos and they're now in their thirties,

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Speaker 2: like everything must be orgaddick. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 2: She also said that she'd thrown out all of her

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Speaker 2: non stick pans, that she only uses stainless steel ones.

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Speaker 2: She's thrown out her plastic utensils and bottles like it

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Speaker 2: is giving very much vibes of being a.

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Speaker 1: First time mum.

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Speaker 2: I think she's gone down one of those TikTok holes.

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Speaker 2: I often get stuck in those where everything like you

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Speaker 2: can think of.

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Speaker 1: Your house is apparently toxic.

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Speaker 2: And she's even throwing out his soft toys, which hurts

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Speaker 2: my heart. So she's learned that polyester is plastic, so

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Speaker 2: that'll be the next to go, and his only toys

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Speaker 2: is are silicon or wood. Wait a second, isn't her

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Speaker 2: whole slick stick products made out of plastic exactly now?

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Speaker 2: In this post, she continued saying, I'm so passionate about

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Speaker 2: my little man's health. He has never drank tap water,

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Speaker 2: only filtered I don't even know what this is, canngan

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Speaker 2: or spring water. He's never eaten anything other than food.

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Speaker 1: I've cooked him all my breast milk.

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Speaker 2: All the ingredients are certified organic his nappies are all

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Speaker 2: natural cotton with no dyes.

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Speaker 1: I only use natural.

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Speaker 2: Water wipes that are bio degradable. Does she think that

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Speaker 2: that makes up for the tens of baby plastic baby

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Speaker 2: bottles that she throw out during her weeks in Europe?

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Speaker 1: Like, oh thank god?

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Speaker 2: There By, I don't want to judge her, because I

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Speaker 2: have this fear that I am going to turn into

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Speaker 2: an earth Mother when I have children.

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Speaker 1: There's something I don't know.

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Speaker 2: There's something about it that I think people's minds flick

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Speaker 2: over and they go, I need to protect this baby

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Speaker 2: at all accounts.

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Speaker 1: The only thing I find funny.

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Speaker 2: About it is that regardless of how much you shelter

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Speaker 2: your child from having plastics or whatever she's doing, one

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Speaker 2: day they're going to turn into a teenager who goes

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Speaker 2: to McDonald's.

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Speaker 1: Like, it's just the reality. I agree to some extent.

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Speaker 2: I think that it's quite noble to find out what

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Speaker 2: you're feeding your kids, and everyone has the choice of

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Speaker 2: what products and things that they feel comfortable with. I

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Speaker 2: just feel like, knowing her and her background, it all

742
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Speaker 2: sounds really extreme and almost conspiracy theory esque, particularly as

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Speaker 2: she's a known anti vaxxer. She's much an anti lockdown protest,

744
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Speaker 2: and she was trying to get a black market doctor

745
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Speaker 2: to give her a COVID passport.

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Speaker 1: That's how extreme she gets.

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Speaker 2: And I sort of feel like saying, well, you're saying

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Speaker 2: you care so much about your son's health, you haven't

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Speaker 2: even gotten fucking vaccinated. Well on that issue, I do

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Speaker 2: find it irritating when I see some mums copying online though,

751
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Speaker 2: when they do pack their kid a healthy lunchbox, because

752
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 2: who cops it for packing the cat sat Day is

753
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 2: actually one of them. I saw a recent TikTok and

754
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 2: she was showing all these healthy things that she's packed

755
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Speaker 2: Fox for his lunch, and so many people were like

756
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 2: tearing out a shreds, And then I saw one comment

757
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 2: that was like, wait a sec, like why are we

758
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Speaker 2: tearing women apart for actually giving their kids good nutritious

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00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 2: You know, I actually one hundred percent agree, because sometimes

760
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 2: you see these lunchboxes and it's like pack ten tons

761
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 2: of tiny teddies and everything's processed and whatever. And I

762
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 2: understand that kids needs treats, but why is it that

763
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Speaker 2: we're so critical when other people go the other way

764
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Speaker 2: and they try and be helped.

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Speaker 1: You know what it is.

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Speaker 2: It is because of this is the word motor boating.

767
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 2: This absolute like motor boating of it.

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Speaker 1: It's like old pretentiousness.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, look at my perfect lunch box that I've spent

770
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Speaker 2: all of this money and time doing, Like a lot

771
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 2: of mums are time poor. And the thing that people

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Speaker 2: don't like is the broadcasting about on social media because

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Speaker 2: it turns into mum shaming because it's sort of like, well,

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Speaker 2: you're a shit mum if you have a plastic bottle

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Speaker 2: for your kids and it goes too far. I do

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Speaker 2: understand that, but I think some tis there should be

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Speaker 2: more education around. For example, it's probably not a good

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Speaker 2: thing to give your kids so much food containing sugar

779
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Speaker 2: for their lunch.

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Speaker 1: Sugar the walls.

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Speaker 2: This isn't about sugar though, This is about shaming and

782
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 2: putting pressure on mums who are also probably trying their

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Speaker 2: best and probably don't have enough money to buy a

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Speaker 2: plastic bottle every couple of days and then dispose of

785
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Speaker 2: it with no care for the environment. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I do want to have the resources to live.

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Speaker 2: This sul I'm saying is I'm all for education online

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Speaker 2: about nutrition, and I think that sometimes there does need

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Speaker 2: to be better education for parents and also children about

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Speaker 2: what they're putting in their bodies.

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Speaker 1: Well, Amy, there might be an account for you to

792
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Speaker 1: follow a nearly renamed mum and mea at home. I'm

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Speaker 1: not interested in that account.

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Speaker 2: Do we need another Pete Evans like he sort of

795
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Speaker 2: just disappeared? Do we need to just just has someone

796
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Speaker 2: that's a bit less extreme about it?

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Speaker 1: And I would definitely follow them. Well, I'm all for

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Speaker 1: the chaotic mums.

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Speaker 2: I would rather see a chaotic mum who's trying her

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Speaker 2: best and he's perhaps throwing some shapes or some tiny

801
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Speaker 2: teddies in with an It's all about balance. That's what

802
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 2: people don't seem to get. Yeah, well, I think that's

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