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Speaker 2: Can you imagine a time where, like cars and houses and.
Speaker 1: Babies, dogs a nuclear family?
Speaker 2: Can you imagine a future where, like houses and cars,
Speaker 2: we share smartphones. You might be thinking we did that
Speaker 2: with payphones, have we not? While we go back, as
Speaker 2: we've been talking about building utopias or existing in a utopia,
Speaker 2: or like living in an apocalypse, I was thinking about how,
Speaker 2: at one point in time, privately owning everything was the
Speaker 2: vibe for some, not many, but also it was a
Speaker 2: way to indicate social status, right like I in order
Speaker 2: to be in this lavish house, I bought it. In
Speaker 2: order to enter that car, I must have owned it
Speaker 2: or my parents owned it.
Speaker 1: In order to do the blue messages, I must have
Speaker 1: an iPhone.
Speaker 2: Exactly, and then a lot of those experiences. In order
Speaker 2: to enjoy indulge in that beautiful lavish house, I'll just
Speaker 2: rent it out on a short stay accommodation site. In
Speaker 2: order to eat at that beautiful restaurant, I'll just order
Speaker 2: it on said delivery food app. It's all available to
Speaker 2: me because I can choose to lease it for a
Speaker 2: short amount of time. What about smartphones. I ask because
Speaker 2: if for some god forsaken reason my phone did not work,
Speaker 2: there would be no other phone for me to access
Speaker 2: to do any phone like activity, not to call you,
Speaker 2: nothing that's bad.
Speaker 1: Why don't we scared? Well, you got your phone stolen
Speaker 1: a coach ell are, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I did, But thank the Lord, we come sorry about me.
Speaker 1: Steve Jobs from the grade.
Speaker 2: Literally you realized Steve Job's re encountered. Don't worry. I
Speaker 2: think that, like everything sounds really far fetched until it's
Speaker 2: not right. You know, this idea of getting into a
Speaker 2: stranger just car and paying a premium to go from
Speaker 2: A to B feels like something from way in the future,
Speaker 2: not present day. And ride sharing and all these other
Speaker 2: things were done to sell us the idea of convenience. Right,
Speaker 2: you should be able to access the thing you need conveniently.
Speaker 2: Why aren't we doing that with phones? Bring back the
Speaker 2: payphone or just a communal phone of some sort. Why
Speaker 2: don't we have an office phone that everyone can access?
Speaker 2: Why is the receptions gatekeeping?
Speaker 1: Isn't there one?
Speaker 2: Huh?
Speaker 1: Isn't there a phone everyone can use? No, this phone's
Speaker 1: right here flix in this place, we can't use it.
Speaker 2: You don't even know how to use it. Mikayla and
Speaker 2: I were having a yarn earlier, and we're talking about
Speaker 2: the myth of convenience. I've won, have been, i would say,
Speaker 2: indoctrinated into this myth of convenience, this idea that it's
Speaker 2: easier to get a food delivery service than it is
Speaker 2: to walk down the street and pick it up. Right.
Speaker 2: But no, it's not easier. It's actually harder because I'm
Speaker 2: paying more money for it, the food's arriving cold, I'm
Speaker 2: doing negotiations with the driver to figure out where they are.
Speaker 1: Where I am.
Speaker 2: It's not how I remember. Might it be easier for
Speaker 2: me to get up and walk to the store and
Speaker 2: pick it up and know that I have it? Probably,
Speaker 2: But in my head it would take a significant amount
Speaker 2: of mental gymnastics to get there, which is worrying. Right,
Speaker 2: Let's say in my head, I've convinced myself it is
Speaker 2: easier to live in a metropolitan space. Right, I'm close
Speaker 2: to everything, it's right in my backyard. Is it actually
Speaker 2: easier easier for what you end up orbiting where you live? Anyway?
Speaker 2: I could live anywhere and decide that my local IJ
Speaker 2: is easy to get to because it's near or my
Speaker 2: local pharmacy is easy to get to because it's near me.
Speaker 2: But then I wonder, Okay, let's say things aren't actually easier,
Speaker 2: We've just convinced ourselves that they are. Well, then what
Speaker 2: do we think should remain difficult? Because I feel like
Speaker 2: part of what I'm struggling with in life is I
Speaker 2: don't know what daily rituals are meant to be difficult
Speaker 2: to the point of this is just how life is
Speaker 2: versus this has gone out of control and it's really
Speaker 2: inconveniencing me. For example, I used to have a fortnightly
Speaker 2: cleaner come and clean my house, right but I'm already
Speaker 2: cleaning constantly, and I'm tidying before the cleaner gets there.
Speaker 2: And I'm thinking, mm, okay, well, before the cleaner gets there,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do some tidy. I'm gonna clean the bathrooms.
Speaker 2: I know how I like it, and I'm just gonna
Speaker 2: get them to the do it once over. Who FORO
Speaker 2: is it really easy to pay hundreds of dollars for
Speaker 2: someone to come and clean your house after you've already
Speaker 2: cleaned it. I don't think so.
Speaker 1: Not a deep clean though in some ways.
Speaker 2: Maybe, But if I gave myself that money and said
Speaker 2: I'm gonna pay you this money to clean your own
Speaker 2: bathroom or to clean your own house, maybe it would
Speaker 2: actually be fine.
Speaker 1: That's cool. Use it for a message, Yeah, whatever it
Speaker 1: might be. You're just gonna make sure you got all
Speaker 1: the right equipment.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's worth having. It's a good skill to learn.
Speaker 2: I believe convenience does exist, but not in the way
Speaker 2: that we do it in modern day times. It reminded
Speaker 2: me of this snippet of conversation I saw Bo Burnham having.
Speaker 2: I'm not really across I didn't really watch his YouTube
Speaker 2: or anything, but I get it enough. But he was saying,
Speaker 2: the fundamental issue with social media is that we optimize
Speaker 2: a part of our life that didn't need optimization. We
Speaker 2: didn't need to know how to do relationships easier or
Speaker 2: more efficient. We actually needed to learn how to do
Speaker 2: them more intentionally. And now we've overoptimized it. We don't
Speaker 2: know how to We don't accept when any part of
Speaker 2: relationships are difficult. We don't know how to just deal
Speaker 2: with a friend who interrupts us when we speak, or
Speaker 2: who is late to things. We're like, oh no, we
Speaker 2: have to cut them off, it's too much. Right, What
Speaker 2: things in our life should be difficult? Because I was
Speaker 2: saying earlier, I think building skills should actually be difficult
Speaker 2: learning how to be proficient at something, whether it's learning
Speaker 2: how to play tennis or learn a language. Part of
Speaker 2: the skills you learn is the skill of learning a skill,
Speaker 2: not just the outcome of being Like, now I can
Speaker 2: speak Dutch. It's oh, I'm learning repetition and discipline and
Speaker 2: connecting my ideas and apst thoughts and using my brain.
Speaker 2: That's all necessary. I can use that everywhere else. What
Speaker 2: else should be difficult in life?
Speaker 1: I know it should be easy. What cooking nutritious meals?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, cleaning your house? Yeah, all the things that
Speaker 1: I think are thankless and should necessary to live. Thankless
Speaker 1: and necessary to live. I don't want to be slave
Speaker 1: and over. I don't even own a bloody iron. Oh
Speaker 1: slave over that bad boy.
Speaker 2: This time, I'm turning into my mum because if I'm
Speaker 2: leaving the house, I'm.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, good iron, Yeah, I really do. I can't
Speaker 1: go out there and bassing the family like this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean god, it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
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