WEBVTT - Safe Cracker 🔓 0:00:08.240 --> 0:00:11.160 Hello. I'm art Simone, and there's nothing in this world 0:00:11.240 --> 0:00:15.280 I can't do facts. So after becoming the country's most 0:00:15.360 --> 0:00:18.759 gorgeous and beloved drag queen, I decided the most natural 0:00:18.840 --> 0:00:22.640 next step was becoming a sassy sleuth, uncovering the deep, 0:00:22.920 --> 0:00:27.520 dark and dirty secrets that everyday people are keeping concealed. Okay, 0:00:27.600 --> 0:00:29.360 well not all of them are dirty, but we are 0:00:29.360 --> 0:00:32.800 definitely finding the most interesting people, even though sometimes they 0:00:32.800 --> 0:00:36.920 look pretty boring. Ill this is concealed with me arts 0:00:36.920 --> 0:00:40.959 Simone told to meet our guest rather the tab. 0:00:43.400 --> 0:00:46.559 Hi. My name's Norelle. I'm sixty four. I live in 0:00:46.600 --> 0:00:50.280 a small community in regional Victoria. I love the outdoors. 0:00:50.560 --> 0:00:52.800 I think I love the peace and the quiet and 0:00:52.840 --> 0:00:56.280 the tranquility more than anything. I like to spend time 0:00:56.880 --> 0:00:59.760 on my property. Got a new little mini tractor in 0:00:59.800 --> 0:01:02.800 a little chainsaw, and I have a lot of fun 0:01:02.840 --> 0:01:06.319 with that. I just love being outdoors and I am 0:01:06.920 --> 0:01:09.600 a huge advocate of mental health. 0:01:14.200 --> 0:01:16.080 So love to have you here with me today in 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:19.880 the studio. You're looking gorgeous. You've got beautiful polka dots 0:01:19.880 --> 0:01:22.920 and nice blouse on there. That's nice. I love that 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:26.840 I've got a hairback. It a very smart professional with 0:01:26.840 --> 0:01:28.800 it in a crocodile clip at the back. That's very good. 0:01:29.440 --> 0:01:32.400 Well, actually there's been a lot of rain. Oh and 0:01:32.480 --> 0:01:36.559 I know that you would appreciate this rain with my hair. 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:40.440 That's true, it's not good. What about so wigs you, 0:01:42.160 --> 0:01:43.840 I don't have to worry. I'll just pro take mine 0:01:43.880 --> 0:01:45.200 off and put it in a bag and then I can. 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:47.320 I don't get affected by any of the rain or 0:01:47.360 --> 0:01:48.920 the humidity. It's very handy. 0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:50.880 You gotta say you look gorgeous. 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:52.840 Thank you, Thank you very much. I'll stop it with 0:01:52.880 --> 0:01:56.280 flirting here today. Oh all right, Narrell ask me how 0:01:56.400 --> 0:01:57.800 is he trying to butter me up? But I have 0:01:57.880 --> 0:02:00.440 to do some work here today, okay, because I have 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:02.480 to work out what it is you're concealing from me. 0:02:02.640 --> 0:02:05.080 All right, so from regional Vick, you have to tell 0:02:05.080 --> 0:02:06.040 me where you are. 0:02:05.960 --> 0:02:07.560 From Upney, Rochester. 0:02:07.680 --> 0:02:11.639 Oh, yes, stunning. You love the outdoors and mini tractor? 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:15.720 What is a mini tractor? Just a car? No? 0:02:15.720 --> 0:02:18.200 No, it's an actual tractor. You know. You can pick 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:19.080 up dirt and. 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:23.120 Oh, rush rush and a bobcat yes, something like that. 0:02:23.200 --> 0:02:27.040 Yeah. Yeah, it's very loud, but it's fun. 0:02:27.360 --> 0:02:29.440 So what I'm getting from this is you just like 0:02:29.480 --> 0:02:32.400 your piece and quiet, no one around me, just me 0:02:32.520 --> 0:02:35.720 and my mini chainsaw with not a care in the world. 0:02:36.360 --> 0:02:39.280 Yeah, pretty much. Okay, and my husband. Don't forget him. 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:41.880 We can't forget him. We we can't. 0:02:42.080 --> 0:02:46.119 Oh okay, okay, okay. What's hubby's name? 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:46.760 Lloyd? 0:02:47.120 --> 0:02:50.440 Lloyd? All right, okay, Lloyd can stay as well. That's fine, 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:57.120 thank you. Okay. So I'm going to ask you three questions. Yes, 0:02:57.160 --> 0:02:59.280 and from the answers to those three questions, I'm going 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:01.639 to try and work out what it is you're concealing 0:03:01.680 --> 0:03:03.000 from me. Are you ready? 0:03:03.360 --> 0:03:04.160 I am ready? 0:03:04.320 --> 0:03:08.280 Okay. Question number one, what game show would you choose 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:08.800 to go on? 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:12.080 Deal or No Deal? 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:16.320 Oh? Alright, alright, bit of money play? 0:03:16.919 --> 0:03:19.480 Actually, can I tell you why I go on Deal 0:03:19.560 --> 0:03:25.720 or No Because I think I'd be good at opening 0:03:25.760 --> 0:03:27.120 and closing cases? 0:03:27.639 --> 0:03:30.959 Oh okay. Question number two, if you had to pick 0:03:31.000 --> 0:03:34.239 a slang word to use every day, what would it be? 0:03:35.400 --> 0:03:36.080 Clean skin? 0:03:37.160 --> 0:03:45.240 Clean skin? What? What is that is that a slang word? 0:03:45.480 --> 0:03:48.000 What to a word? Clean skin? 0:03:48.240 --> 0:03:54.680 Clean skin? Red? Okay, clean skin? And final question, if 0:03:54.680 --> 0:03:58.400 you were involved in an intricate bank heist? What role 0:03:58.480 --> 0:03:59.480 would you play. 0:04:00.840 --> 0:04:06.120 I wouldn't play any particular role. I'd more likely be 0:04:06.360 --> 0:04:11.440 the person on the other side foiling their plans. 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:17.159 Oh, so you're not gonna work all right, okay, foiling plans? Okay, 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:19.520 So let me put together what you've served for me 0:04:20.120 --> 0:04:25.160 today morel okay. So we got deal and no your 0:04:25.320 --> 0:04:32.600 cases all right, foiling plans okay, and clean skin. So 0:04:32.640 --> 0:04:36.440 we're kind of in the world of bank robberies and 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:43.680 and hests and ooh crime okay, and mini tractors. Got 0:04:43.680 --> 0:04:48.920 to put that in there as well, okayaw And the change? 0:04:49.600 --> 0:04:53.440 Are you a professional safe cracker person? Was that? You 0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:56.240 know when they break into saves? Say code crack? What 0:04:56.360 --> 0:04:56.520 is it? 0:04:56.600 --> 0:05:03.680 Call? No? No, I'll make it easy for you, an. 0:05:06.040 --> 0:05:08.920 I have a locksmith. 0:05:15.160 --> 0:05:18.080 Hi. I'm Noel Fraser. I worked with Victoria Police for 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:21.480 twenty seven years. I spent fifteen of those years working 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:25.919 as a detective. I worked in many different squads, including homicide, 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:29.839 missing persons, child exploitation. I've worked on some of the 0:05:29.880 --> 0:05:33.720 state's most high profile cases and years. I've seen a 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:36.240 lot in my job, and that led to my retirement 0:05:36.279 --> 0:05:40.320 and fueled my passion. I suppose as a mental health advocate, 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:42.360 which is how I spend my days. 0:05:42.400 --> 0:05:49.080 Now, sonrel isn't a safe cracker or a locksmith. She 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:54.000 is a former detective. Oh my goodness, well, at least 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:55.599 you're about to give me the contact details for a 0:05:55.600 --> 0:06:10.320 good safe crack of Then Norella is going to speak 0:06:10.360 --> 0:06:13.760 about some confronting themes around death, which some might find upsetting. 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:15.560 If you think you need to sit this one out, 0:06:15.760 --> 0:06:18.160 no hard feelings, go back and listen to any one 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:20.800 of the incredible podcast episodes I have ready for you 0:06:20.839 --> 0:06:27.520 in the feed. We're here with NoREL and I've just 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:30.159 found out that you were not, in fact a safe cracker, 0:06:30.560 --> 0:06:33.880 no or locksmiths. No, No, you were a former detective 0:06:33.920 --> 0:06:37.720 who has worked on some of the States' most notorious cases. Yes, 0:06:38.040 --> 0:06:40.480 I feel like I have to behave differently now around you. 0:06:41.000 --> 0:06:42.880 I feel and you know what, That's why I don't 0:06:42.920 --> 0:06:46.880 tell people you can't that funny year, because people exactly 0:06:46.960 --> 0:06:49.039 like you say, yeah, people get all nervous. 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:51.240 What's the same thing when you see a police car 0:06:51.360 --> 0:06:53.160 drive past you and even if you're not doing anything, 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:55.479 you're not spinning, You're like everyone slows down to thirty 0:06:55.560 --> 0:06:58.080 kilometers an hour on the freeway and they're like, no, no, 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:00.240 I know what do you excuse me? 0:07:00.760 --> 0:07:01.320 Excuse me? 0:07:01.440 --> 0:07:03.120 Well, is that a bit of stigma you've had to 0:07:03.120 --> 0:07:05.760 face a whole your whole life working in the force. 0:07:06.800 --> 0:07:10.440 Yeah, there is a bit of stigma, but you you 0:07:10.560 --> 0:07:13.120 understand people have a bit of a what would you 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:17.200 call it a fascination I suppose with detectives and police. 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:20.640 But yeah, but it's to be honest, I feel very 0:07:20.680 --> 0:07:25.600 proud of what I did, and yeah, I don't hide 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:26.720 from it. I used to do a bit. 0:07:27.040 --> 0:07:29.600 So how did you get into the police and work 0:07:29.640 --> 0:07:31.520 to go into being a detective? Like, how did that 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:32.480 journey happen? 0:07:32.960 --> 0:07:36.880 I was a secretary for a long time, and I 0:07:37.000 --> 0:07:40.880 became a counselor with Lifeline because I'd always been interested 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:44.000 in people and you know, maybe trying to help people 0:07:44.040 --> 0:07:46.840 that maybe weren't as fortunate as I had been in 0:07:46.880 --> 0:07:50.600 my upbringing. And so when I went too Lifeline, the 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:54.640 number of people that rang Lifeline to say I'm going 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:57.880 to you know, oh, I can't do this anymore. And 0:07:57.960 --> 0:08:00.600 I thought, how can I get to people before they 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:05.000 ring Lifeline so that I could help them in some way? 0:08:05.240 --> 0:08:08.440 And so that's when I thought about policing. And you know, 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:12.080 I was twenty seven. I traveled Australia in a combie. 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:15.720 I had a ball and I thought I'd seen I 0:08:15.760 --> 0:08:18.240 thought I knew a fair bit about life. 0:08:18.760 --> 0:08:22.080 So you go into the police force, Then how do 0:08:22.160 --> 0:08:24.400 you move up into detective work? 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:27.120 Well, I had to study, I had to go to 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:32.439 detective training school. But I felt like the detectives. As 0:08:32.480 --> 0:08:38.960 a detective, the investigations are so much more challenging. They're 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:43.200 very intense, and I just sort of felt it was 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:45.560 like a bee to a honeypot. The worse the job 0:08:45.720 --> 0:08:48.760 was as in, the more traumatic it was, I just 0:08:48.800 --> 0:08:52.000 felt I had the right sort of personality. I just 0:08:52.040 --> 0:08:55.360 wanted to be there. And that's why I ended up 0:08:55.679 --> 0:09:00.840 going into the squads. So homicide, missing persons, because that 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:04.400 is you know, that's the from a police point of view. 0:09:04.520 --> 0:09:07.800 You know, that's the kream Dela Creme, and I just 0:09:07.880 --> 0:09:08.319 loved it. 0:09:08.559 --> 0:09:13.080 So, you know, you speak of how you enjoyed a 0:09:13.080 --> 0:09:16.520 lot of the people work. What skill set do you 0:09:16.520 --> 0:09:17.960 think makes a good detective. 0:09:18.840 --> 0:09:22.800 I think you've got to be a very good communicator. 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:28.400 I think you need to be very empathetic, very understanding, 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:33.400 but also very passionate and not leave a stone unturned. 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:37.079 People think that you've got to be a good talker, 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:39.600 for instance, to be a detective, to get people to 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:41.959 open up to you right and tell you what's happened 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:47.240 in their worst possible time of their life. A good 0:09:47.280 --> 0:09:51.080 detective needs to be able to listen. Your interviewing skills 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:54.480 and you learn that at detective training school about interviewing 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:56.800 skills and how to get people to open up to 0:09:56.840 --> 0:09:58.119 you and feel more comfortable. 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:03.040 Do you think you know, after being in that line 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:04.600 of work for so long, do you think you have 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:08.520 a very good human lighte detector? Do you think you're 0:10:08.559 --> 0:10:11.400 really good at that? Is? 0:10:12.080 --> 0:10:16.720 Absolutely? It's a yes. I mean yeah, you know there's 0:10:16.760 --> 0:10:21.480 another skill in knowing somebody's lying. Yes, And you think 0:10:21.760 --> 0:10:24.000 how long am I going to let them hang themselves 0:10:24.080 --> 0:10:26.920 for until I say I know you've done it? 0:10:26.920 --> 0:10:31.280 Does good cop bad cop? Exist? Is that? Ah? What's 0:10:31.320 --> 0:10:33.480 your favorite role to play? A good cop or bad cop? 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:38.000 Oh? My favorite would be a good cop because that's 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:38.839 what I'm better at. 0:10:38.880 --> 0:10:41.800 Yeah, I reckon you've got a bad cop side. 0:10:41.840 --> 0:10:44.199 Hey, don't worry, I've got a bad cop. In fact, 0:10:44.440 --> 0:10:47.400 I can remember one guy who I knew had done 0:10:47.400 --> 0:10:51.199 this crime. He'd actually murdered his wife and I knew 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:54.400 he had and he was telling me all this pardon 0:10:54.400 --> 0:10:58.199 me bullshit, and I remember I shouldn't have and I 0:10:58.240 --> 0:11:00.520 remember poking him in the chest and I said, I 0:11:00.600 --> 0:11:03.800 know you've fucking done this, and I'm going to get 0:11:03.840 --> 0:11:05.880 you if it's a last thing I do. And you 0:11:05.960 --> 0:11:14.679 know what I didn't. I never got it. Yeah, damn it. 0:11:15.960 --> 0:11:18.280 So what would the day to day life of a 0:11:18.320 --> 0:11:21.800 detective look like like? Would you be assigned a case 0:11:21.840 --> 0:11:24.200 and then that's what you're focused on for the next 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:26.520 ll till it's done, or are you getting a new 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:28.679 one every day? Go oh well, I'm sorry about that one. 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:29.480 We're doing this one. 0:11:29.840 --> 0:11:33.280 There's no normal day as a detective because you can 0:11:33.320 --> 0:11:36.160 go into work. Let's say you start at seven, and 0:11:36.280 --> 0:11:38.880 sometimes you can go in there and they go, we've 0:11:38.880 --> 0:11:41.560 got a warrant. We're going to a round of this address. Quick, 0:11:41.640 --> 0:11:44.280 get your gun, get everything, we're going, and then it's 0:11:44.400 --> 0:11:46.839 just go, go go, because you can go to i know, 0:11:46.920 --> 0:11:50.200 let's say, a warrant, and then you find other offenses 0:11:50.200 --> 0:11:51.720 that have occurred, and you've got to go and grab 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:55.360 somebody else, grab a crook. We call them crooks. But 0:11:55.400 --> 0:11:57.679 there's no day to day. But you can go in 0:11:57.760 --> 0:12:01.000 with into the office with visions, oh I'm going to 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:03.880 do this job today, like this investigation, and it can 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:06.600 all pardon me, just turn to shit the minute you 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:09.680 walk in. Yeah, there is no day the same. There's 0:12:09.800 --> 0:12:13.520 very few days where you can just have a bit 0:12:13.559 --> 0:12:16.360 of time out because what happens is you might come 0:12:16.400 --> 0:12:18.920 back from that warrant and want to go home like I. No, 0:12:19.000 --> 0:12:22.120 let's say it's five or six o'clock at night and no, 0:12:22.240 --> 0:12:24.640 let's say a rape comes in. You can't go home. 0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:28.000 So you've got to then go to that job, and 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:30.199 you come in the next morning and you've got to 0:12:30.240 --> 0:12:32.600 go to court, or you come in the next morning 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:35.559 and something else is going on. It is it's relentless, 0:12:35.559 --> 0:12:36.160 to be honest. 0:12:36.760 --> 0:12:40.880 Does that make work home life balance really difficult? Yes, 0:12:40.960 --> 0:12:45.199 because even you know, on my own experience, I'm doing 0:12:45.200 --> 0:12:49.520 nothing similar to you, but I struggle because there's no 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:52.160 definitive end to things. It's like, well, we'll do the 0:12:52.160 --> 0:12:54.120 next thing, do the next thing. Ye, So how does 0:12:54.120 --> 0:12:56.240 that work for someone like you? 0:12:56.920 --> 0:13:00.920 Well, it's exactly the same. You've got to be very 0:13:00.960 --> 0:13:04.040 mindful of it. And what I found was I found 0:13:04.040 --> 0:13:06.960 that I loved going out, let's say, with my girlfriends 0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:09.560 for a dream core from dinner or something because they 0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:13.040 would talk about this sounds wrong, but the mundane stuff. 0:13:13.080 --> 0:13:15.200 You know, they couldn't get a park outside the kinder 0:13:16.240 --> 0:13:19.040 somebody's you know, I had one of the kids is 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:23.120 had diarrhea overnight. All they've been It's good to have 0:13:23.240 --> 0:13:25.840 your feet on the ground and know that it's not 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:29.320 normal to talk about death messages, to talk about sexual assault, 0:13:29.840 --> 0:13:33.440 it's not normal. So you've got I found that by 0:13:33.559 --> 0:13:37.880 keeping the friends that I grew up with that weren't police. 0:13:38.240 --> 0:13:40.320 I found that a really good grounding, kind. 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:42.079 Of like a touchstone there for you to go back 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:45.920 in and be like, yeah, oh, real people exist because 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:50.120 you're getting the real extreme ends of people, the highest 0:13:50.640 --> 0:13:54.520 type of emotion and experience and everything. So I'm going 0:13:54.559 --> 0:13:58.719 to understand how that's is everyone like this? Yes, So 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:03.480 you said you've worked on some high profile cases. What 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:05.000 are some of the cases you've solved that you can 0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:05.840 talk about. 0:14:05.920 --> 0:14:10.000 And well, I can talk about them because they've been solved. 0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:14.160 There's either a person in jail or. They've all been 0:14:14.200 --> 0:14:16.280 through the courts. So there's nothing that I can't talk 0:14:16.559 --> 0:14:19.000 that I'm going to tell you about. But I just 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:21.760 want to take you back there. It's not ones that 0:14:21.880 --> 0:14:25.680 I have solved. I have been involved in solving them, 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:27.720 because the ones I was going to tell you about 0:14:27.720 --> 0:14:31.040 were say ones at the squads. They're the Really they're 0:14:31.040 --> 0:14:34.680 a big, high profile jobs where everyone's you notice I 0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:37.640 say jobs, We say that all the time. They're investigations, right, 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:42.200 should call them gigs? Oh no, you can't call them gigs. 0:14:42.400 --> 0:14:43.080 Can't do a gig? 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:46.640 Do I do that? I feel a bit of a 0:14:46.680 --> 0:14:48.760 dickcare talk talking about I've got a gig here. 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:53.720 Love it. I think we can trade lingo pollinating. I 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:54.200 like it. 0:14:54.360 --> 0:14:59.120 But yet, yes, so a couple of jobs whenever there's 0:14:59.160 --> 0:15:01.200 a child involved. And I don't want to bring this down, 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:06.640 but it's reality. Anything that involves a child just takes 0:15:06.760 --> 0:15:10.400 an investigation to another level. And you can't walk away 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:13.640 from jobs that have been involved with a child, let's 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:18.800 say child abuse or child exploitation or a child being killed. 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:22.920 You know, they are really tough jobs. And one of 0:15:22.960 --> 0:15:25.840 the ones that I worked on was Anna and Gracie Sharp. 0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:30.320 It was called the Mornington Monster and John Sharp. They 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:34.360 lived in Mornington. They'd had little Gracie and as pregnant 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:38.400 with their second child, and John's just had enough of her. 0:15:39.120 --> 0:15:42.240 He kills her, puts her in a rubbish bag and 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:46.920 throws her out in the rubbish that you do like 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:51.280 peeling your potatoes. Then a couple of days later he 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:53.240 kills a little girl. And I won't go into that, 0:15:53.400 --> 0:15:56.200 but he kills a little girl, the little seventeen month old, 0:15:56.200 --> 0:15:59.040 because he thinks that she needs to be with her mum. 0:15:59.160 --> 0:16:02.480 But he also throws her out in the rubbish in 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:06.640 a bag, like in a rubbish bag. I found. We 0:16:07.320 --> 0:16:09.760 found out that they are at a tip. Yes, and 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:14.680 I found I did. I found Anna in a bag 0:16:16.480 --> 0:16:22.840 at a tip. I've never ever had to search so 0:16:22.920 --> 0:16:26.720 many blue sports bags in my life. But on the 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:30.720 tenth day I found her. And to be honest, I 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:36.080 felt this real sound bizarre, but I felt almost euphoric 0:16:37.080 --> 0:16:42.240 initially because I just felt, thank God, this poor woman 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:46.560 isn't going to end her life in a filthy, rat infested, 0:16:46.840 --> 0:16:52.240 asbestos ridden tip. And so that was initially it was like, 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:56.240 thank goodness, I've found her. She's now over. She's been 0:16:56.280 --> 0:17:00.000 buried over with her mum in New Zealand, and little 0:17:00.120 --> 0:17:03.200 Gracie was found a couple of days later. I think 0:17:03.240 --> 0:17:09.240 I was saved. Finding Anna was very traumatic, but I 0:17:09.280 --> 0:17:11.159 don't think I could well, I know I couldn't have 0:17:11.160 --> 0:17:14.720 dealt with finding little Gracie. The boys that I worked 0:17:14.720 --> 0:17:16.920 with they found her. I must have had court or 0:17:16.960 --> 0:17:20.520 something this particular day. But I feel I was saved 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:24.200 because I couldn't have dealt with that anyway. So there's 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:27.000 you know, jobs like that. And to listen to John Sharp, 0:17:27.119 --> 0:17:30.800 who is now doing thirty three years, I think it 0:17:30.880 --> 0:17:35.080 is for the two murders. He eventually confessed. But to 0:17:35.160 --> 0:17:38.600 hear John Sharp talk about how he had killed Anna 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:41.679 and Gracie, it was like he killed an ant on 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:42.399 the footpath. 0:17:42.560 --> 0:17:43.159 Yeah. 0:17:43.359 --> 0:17:47.679 No, he just he had the personality of a stop sign, 0:17:47.840 --> 0:17:52.600 you know, like he he just sorry. It's just such 0:17:52.600 --> 0:17:56.159 a good description, isn't it. But he did there was 0:17:56.600 --> 0:18:01.639 he just was. He had nothing. He was just a nudy, 0:18:01.920 --> 0:18:05.960 pathetic man. Anyway, So there was that one I found 0:18:06.000 --> 0:18:10.000 Maria Corp. I found Maria in a boot up. We 0:18:10.400 --> 0:18:13.320 as in the team when we found the car and 0:18:13.440 --> 0:18:17.360 she'd been strangled by it. This is a little bit saucy, 0:18:17.480 --> 0:18:23.000 but Maria Corp had been married to Joe. She thought 0:18:23.119 --> 0:18:26.800 very happily, but Joe was very very frustrated with their 0:18:26.840 --> 0:18:31.600 sex life. Thought it needed a bit of but yes, yes, 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:36.280 spicing up perfect. So he says to Maria, let's go 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:41.360 on a dating site for threesomes. So they find a threesome. 0:18:41.480 --> 0:18:45.160 They find a lady Tanya, who wants to get involved. 0:18:46.000 --> 0:18:52.440 Her and Joe together murdered Maria. Joe got organized at all, 0:18:52.800 --> 0:18:56.600 and Tanya is the one that actually strangled her. She 0:18:56.800 --> 0:18:59.119 believed that she was dead, and she put her in 0:18:59.119 --> 0:19:02.159 the boot of the car and drove her to just 0:19:02.200 --> 0:19:05.719 out in the CBD and we did a media release. 0:19:06.000 --> 0:19:08.720 We found the car, and we found Maria in the boot, 0:19:08.920 --> 0:19:11.640 and for all intents and purposes, we thought she was dead. 0:19:12.440 --> 0:19:14.879 But somebody had to get in and check that she was. 0:19:15.280 --> 0:19:18.480 So I got into the boot and I sort of 0:19:18.960 --> 0:19:21.240 almost like spooned her because I had to check for 0:19:21.240 --> 0:19:23.119 her signs of life and all that sort of stuff, 0:19:23.640 --> 0:19:27.600 and she was decomposing. She was pretty bad, and she'd 0:19:27.600 --> 0:19:29.600 been in the hot February sun in the boot for 0:19:29.640 --> 0:19:32.159 four days, so, you know, she was pretty bad, but 0:19:32.280 --> 0:19:34.480 we believe she was dead. But when I checked her 0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:36.879 signs of life there was nothing. But just on a 0:19:36.880 --> 0:19:39.520 bit of a whim, I sort of maneuvered myself and 0:19:39.600 --> 0:19:43.159 I found and I put my head near her chest 0:19:43.520 --> 0:19:46.359 and I saw a chest move up and down. It 0:19:46.520 --> 0:19:50.040 was amazing, and I just yelled at the top of 0:19:50.080 --> 0:19:53.440 my boys. She's alive. She's alive. But she never regained consciousness. 0:19:54.080 --> 0:19:57.720 She never left hospital. She was in hospital for six months. 0:19:58.080 --> 0:20:01.800 But on the day that she of her funeral, Joe 0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:07.240 ended his life. Tanya became a prosecution witness, and you know, 0:20:07.320 --> 0:20:09.679 in a way, I sort of felt a little bit 0:20:09.720 --> 0:20:14.240 sorry for Tenure because really, whether she's looking for a 0:20:14.280 --> 0:20:17.719 threesome or it doesn't really matter. She was looking for 0:20:17.880 --> 0:20:22.080 somebody to love. She we all want to be loved. 0:20:23.040 --> 0:20:25.560 What comes out of all these stories is that you 0:20:25.600 --> 0:20:28.560 go into situations with such an open mind. You don't 0:20:28.560 --> 0:20:31.359 seem like a judgmental person at all, unless there're a 0:20:31.359 --> 0:20:37.360 stop sign. I'm pretty judgmental, but I think that's really 0:20:37.400 --> 0:20:40.280 wonderful to hear, because you know, for someone like me 0:20:40.480 --> 0:20:42.480 or a lot of people in my community, we can 0:20:42.480 --> 0:20:45.760 be quite uncomfortable around the police force. 0:20:46.359 --> 0:20:48.920 So that makes me feel sad. But it's a reality, 0:20:48.960 --> 0:20:49.440 isn't it. 0:20:49.440 --> 0:20:51.679 It is. That's why it's really wonderful to hear these stories. 0:20:51.720 --> 0:20:54.000 I'm so grateful that you've come and shared them with 0:20:54.040 --> 0:20:57.640 me today. It's very nice of you. Are there any 0:20:57.680 --> 0:21:01.000 funny things that happened why you're a detective and he's 0:21:01.400 --> 0:21:06.800 I don't know any strange any strange cases, silly ones. 0:21:06.840 --> 0:21:08.960 I don't know. There's a gimby some goths. I want 0:21:09.000 --> 0:21:09.640 some goths. 0:21:09.680 --> 0:21:14.040 There's some lots of silly ones, you know. I've actually 0:21:14.640 --> 0:21:20.600 arrested a drug crazed armed Robert who was off his face. 0:21:20.800 --> 0:21:23.600 I had no police uniform on, I didn't have a gun, 0:21:24.640 --> 0:21:27.600 I didn't have a police radio. Just one of those 0:21:27.640 --> 0:21:29.920 typical let's snick down the street and get some lunch. 0:21:30.200 --> 0:21:33.000 I'm down there getting the lunch with a colleague. He 0:21:33.160 --> 0:21:36.080 sees this drug crazed arm Robert. We've been looking for 0:21:36.080 --> 0:21:39.359 for ages and this guy's held up a tab with 0:21:39.400 --> 0:21:43.920 a sawn off shoddy and m colleague goes, that's him. 0:21:43.920 --> 0:21:46.320 The phrase they used to call me phrase, that's him 0:21:46.359 --> 0:21:48.600 over there. And we're in a car in a like 0:21:48.880 --> 0:21:53.040 his little nineteen seventy one bright orange glant m colleague 0:21:54.200 --> 0:21:58.160 drives up next to him, and of course I'm the passenger, 0:21:58.640 --> 0:22:01.040 so I'm next to this because he's driving a car 0:22:01.080 --> 0:22:04.200 as well. It's a stolen car, right, and I don't 0:22:04.240 --> 0:22:06.399 know what to do, so I wind down the window. 0:22:06.560 --> 0:22:09.679 I've got nothing right and I wonder and you know 0:22:09.680 --> 0:22:13.880 what I do with my finger, I go, please get 0:22:13.880 --> 0:22:17.520 out of the car now. And you know what he did, 0:22:18.720 --> 0:22:20.960 gets better he gets, he gets out of. 0:22:20.880 --> 0:22:24.880 The car, finger out him and you know what he says. 0:22:24.920 --> 0:22:26.720 He puts his hands in the air and he said, 0:22:27.280 --> 0:22:28.600 don't shoot. 0:22:30.200 --> 0:22:33.159 You like I will use his finger whipping no wheel. 0:22:33.720 --> 0:22:34.879 I'm good at poking that. 0:22:35.320 --> 0:22:38.080 That is how off his face he was on drugs. 0:22:38.119 --> 0:22:41.160 Oh my goodness. Takes a bit of imagination and you're 0:22:41.240 --> 0:22:43.560 going to go. My first of a job was working 0:22:43.560 --> 0:22:46.880 at KFCs at the front counter, and on a Saturday night, 0:22:46.920 --> 0:22:48.320 every now and then mum would come in and get 0:22:48.320 --> 0:22:50.040 the dinner for the family and order it from me. 0:22:50.640 --> 0:22:53.960 So she's waiting in line and this like crazy guy 0:22:54.040 --> 0:22:57.000 jumps the counter and starts threatening all of ours and 0:22:57.080 --> 0:23:00.399 she's watching, you know, little of me behind the counter airing. 0:23:00.840 --> 0:23:04.320 Mom steps out and goes, I'm an off judy. Police 0:23:05.280 --> 0:23:07.840