1 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: Hello. I'm art Simone, and there's nothing in this world 2 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: I can't do facts. So after becoming the country's most 3 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 1: gorgeous and beloved drag queen, I decided the most natural 4 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 1: next step was becoming a sassy sleuth, uncovering the deep, 5 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: dark and dirty secrets that everyday people are keeping concealed. Okay, 6 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: well not all of them are dirty, but we are 7 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: definitely finding the most interesting people, even though sometimes they 8 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 1: look pretty boring. Ill this is concealed with me arts 9 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:40,959 Speaker 1: Simone told to meet our guest rather the tab. 10 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:46,559 Speaker 2: Hi. My name's Norelle. I'm sixty four. I live in 11 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 2: a small community in regional Victoria. I love the outdoors. 12 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 2: I think I love the peace and the quiet and 13 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 2: the tranquility more than anything. I like to spend time 14 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 2: on my property. Got a new little mini tractor in 15 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 2: a little chainsaw, and I have a lot of fun 16 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 2: with that. I just love being outdoors and I am 17 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 2: a huge advocate of mental health. 18 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: So love to have you here with me today in 19 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: the studio. You're looking gorgeous. You've got beautiful polka dots 20 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: and nice blouse on there. That's nice. I love that 21 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 1: I've got a hairback. It a very smart professional with 22 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: it in a crocodile clip at the back. That's very good. 23 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 2: Well, actually there's been a lot of rain. Oh and 24 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:36,559 Speaker 2: I know that you would appreciate this rain with my hair. 25 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 1: That's true, it's not good. What about so wigs you, 26 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: I don't have to worry. I'll just pro take mine 27 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 1: off and put it in a bag and then I can. 28 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:47,320 Speaker 1: I don't get affected by any of the rain or 29 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: the humidity. It's very handy. 30 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 2: You gotta say you look gorgeous. 31 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you very much. I'll stop it with 32 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: flirting here today. Oh all right, Narrell ask me how 33 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: is he trying to butter me up? But I have 34 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: to do some work here today, okay, because I have 35 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: to work out what it is you're concealing from me. 36 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: All right, so from regional Vick, you have to tell 37 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: me where you are. 38 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 2: From Upney, Rochester. 39 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:11,639 Speaker 1: Oh, yes, stunning. You love the outdoors and mini tractor? 40 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: What is a mini tractor? Just a car? No? 41 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 2: No, it's an actual tractor. You know. You can pick 42 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 2: up dirt and. 43 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 1: Oh, rush rush and a bobcat yes, something like that. 44 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's very loud, but it's fun. 45 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: So what I'm getting from this is you just like 46 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 1: your piece and quiet, no one around me, just me 47 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: and my mini chainsaw with not a care in the world. 48 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much. Okay, and my husband. Don't forget him. 49 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 2: We can't forget him. We we can't. 50 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:46,119 Speaker 1: Oh okay, okay, okay. What's hubby's name? 51 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 2: Lloyd? 52 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: Lloyd? All right, okay, Lloyd can stay as well. That's fine, 53 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: thank you. Okay. So I'm going to ask you three questions. Yes, 54 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: and from the answers to those three questions, I'm going 55 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:01,639 Speaker 1: to try and work out what it is you're concealing 56 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: from me. Are you ready? 57 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 2: I am ready? 58 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 1: Okay. Question number one, what game show would you choose 59 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 1: to go on? 60 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 2: Deal or No Deal? 61 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 1: Oh? Alright, alright, bit of money play? 62 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 2: Actually, can I tell you why I go on Deal 63 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 2: or No Because I think I'd be good at opening 64 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 2: and closing cases? 65 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:30,959 Speaker 1: Oh okay. Question number two, if you had to pick 66 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,239 Speaker 1: a slang word to use every day, what would it be? 67 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 2: Clean skin? 68 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: Clean skin? What? What is that is that a slang word? 69 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 2: What to a word? Clean skin? 70 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: Clean skin? Red? Okay, clean skin? And final question, if 71 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: you were involved in an intricate bank heist? What role 72 00:03:58,480 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 1: would you play. 73 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 2: I wouldn't play any particular role. I'd more likely be 74 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 2: the person on the other side foiling their plans. 75 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 1: Oh, so you're not gonna work all right, okay, foiling plans? Okay, 76 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 1: So let me put together what you've served for me 77 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 1: today morel okay. So we got deal and no your 78 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 1: cases all right, foiling plans okay, and clean skin. So 79 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: we're kind of in the world of bank robberies and 80 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: and hests and ooh crime okay, and mini tractors. Got 81 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 1: to put that in there as well, okayaw And the change? 82 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: Are you a professional safe cracker person? Was that? You 83 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 1: know when they break into saves? Say code crack? What 84 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: is it? 85 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 2: Call? No? No, I'll make it easy for you, an. 86 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 1: I have a locksmith. 87 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 2: Hi. I'm Noel Fraser. I worked with Victoria Police for 88 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:21,480 Speaker 2: twenty seven years. I spent fifteen of those years working 89 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:25,919 Speaker 2: as a detective. I worked in many different squads, including homicide, 90 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:29,839 Speaker 2: missing persons, child exploitation. I've worked on some of the 91 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 2: state's most high profile cases and years. I've seen a 92 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 2: lot in my job, and that led to my retirement 93 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 2: and fueled my passion. I suppose as a mental health advocate, 94 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 2: which is how I spend my days. 95 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: Now, sonrel isn't a safe cracker or a locksmith. She 96 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: is a former detective. Oh my goodness, well, at least 97 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 1: you're about to give me the contact details for a 98 00:05:55,600 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 1: good safe crack of Then Norella is going to speak 99 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: about some confronting themes around death, which some might find upsetting. 100 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 1: If you think you need to sit this one out, 101 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:18,160 Speaker 1: no hard feelings, go back and listen to any one 102 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: of the incredible podcast episodes I have ready for you 103 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: in the feed. We're here with NoREL and I've just 104 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 1: found out that you were not, in fact a safe cracker, 105 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 1: no or locksmiths. No, No, you were a former detective 106 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:37,720 Speaker 1: who has worked on some of the States' most notorious cases. Yes, 107 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 1: I feel like I have to behave differently now around you. 108 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 2: I feel and you know what, That's why I don't 109 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 2: tell people you can't that funny year, because people exactly 110 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:49,039 Speaker 2: like you say, yeah, people get all nervous. 111 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 1: What's the same thing when you see a police car 112 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 1: drive past you and even if you're not doing anything, 113 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:55,479 Speaker 1: you're not spinning, You're like everyone slows down to thirty 114 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 1: kilometers an hour on the freeway and they're like, no, no, 115 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: I know what do you excuse me? 116 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 2: Excuse me? 117 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: Well, is that a bit of stigma you've had to 118 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: face a whole your whole life working in the force. 119 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, there is a bit of stigma, but you you 120 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 2: understand people have a bit of a what would you 121 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 2: call it a fascination I suppose with detectives and police. 122 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 2: But yeah, but it's to be honest, I feel very 123 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 2: proud of what I did, and yeah, I don't hide 124 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 2: from it. I used to do a bit. 125 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: So how did you get into the police and work 126 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 1: to go into being a detective? Like, how did that 127 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: journey happen? 128 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 2: I was a secretary for a long time, and I 129 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 2: became a counselor with Lifeline because I'd always been interested 130 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 2: in people and you know, maybe trying to help people 131 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 2: that maybe weren't as fortunate as I had been in 132 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 2: my upbringing. And so when I went too Lifeline, the 133 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 2: number of people that rang Lifeline to say I'm going 134 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 2: to you know, oh, I can't do this anymore. And 135 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 2: I thought, how can I get to people before they 136 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 2: ring Lifeline so that I could help them in some way? 137 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 2: And so that's when I thought about policing. And you know, 138 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 2: I was twenty seven. I traveled Australia in a combie. 139 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 2: I had a ball and I thought I'd seen I 140 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 2: thought I knew a fair bit about life. 141 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: So you go into the police force, Then how do 142 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: you move up into detective work? 143 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 2: Well, I had to study, I had to go to 144 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:32,439 Speaker 2: detective training school. But I felt like the detectives. As 145 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 2: a detective, the investigations are so much more challenging. They're 146 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 2: very intense, and I just sort of felt it was 147 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 2: like a bee to a honeypot. The worse the job 148 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 2: was as in, the more traumatic it was, I just 149 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 2: felt I had the right sort of personality. I just 150 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 2: wanted to be there. And that's why I ended up 151 00:08:55,679 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 2: going into the squads. So homicide, missing persons, because that 152 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 2: is you know, that's the from a police point of view. 153 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 2: You know, that's the kream Dela Creme, and I just 154 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:08,319 Speaker 2: loved it. 155 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 1: So, you know, you speak of how you enjoyed a 156 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: lot of the people work. What skill set do you 157 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 1: think makes a good detective. 158 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 2: I think you've got to be a very good communicator. 159 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 2: I think you need to be very empathetic, very understanding, 160 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 2: but also very passionate and not leave a stone unturned. 161 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:37,079 Speaker 2: People think that you've got to be a good talker, 162 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 2: for instance, to be a detective, to get people to 163 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:41,959 Speaker 2: open up to you right and tell you what's happened 164 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 2: in their worst possible time of their life. A good 165 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 2: detective needs to be able to listen. Your interviewing skills 166 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 2: and you learn that at detective training school about interviewing 167 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 2: skills and how to get people to open up to 168 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:58,119 Speaker 2: you and feel more comfortable. 169 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: Do you think you know, after being in that line 170 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 1: of work for so long, do you think you have 171 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: a very good human lighte detector? Do you think you're 172 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: really good at that? Is? 173 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 2: Absolutely? It's a yes. I mean yeah, you know there's 174 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 2: another skill in knowing somebody's lying. Yes, And you think 175 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 2: how long am I going to let them hang themselves 176 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 2: for until I say I know you've done it? 177 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 1: Does good cop bad cop? Exist? Is that? Ah? What's 178 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: your favorite role to play? A good cop or bad cop? 179 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 2: Oh? My favorite would be a good cop because that's 180 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:38,839 Speaker 2: what I'm better at. 181 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I reckon you've got a bad cop side. 182 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:44,199 Speaker 2: Hey, don't worry, I've got a bad cop. In fact, 183 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 2: I can remember one guy who I knew had done 184 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:51,199 Speaker 2: this crime. He'd actually murdered his wife and I knew 185 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 2: he had and he was telling me all this pardon 186 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:58,199 Speaker 2: me bullshit, and I remember I shouldn't have and I 187 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 2: remember poking him in the chest and I said, I 188 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 2: know you've fucking done this, and I'm going to get 189 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 2: you if it's a last thing I do. And you 190 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:14,679 Speaker 2: know what I didn't. I never got it. Yeah, damn it. 191 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: So what would the day to day life of a 192 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: detective look like like? Would you be assigned a case 193 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 1: and then that's what you're focused on for the next 194 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: ll till it's done, or are you getting a new 195 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:28,679 Speaker 1: one every day? Go oh well, I'm sorry about that one. 196 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: We're doing this one. 197 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 2: There's no normal day as a detective because you can 198 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 2: go into work. Let's say you start at seven, and 199 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 2: sometimes you can go in there and they go, we've 200 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 2: got a warrant. We're going to a round of this address. Quick, 201 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 2: get your gun, get everything, we're going, and then it's 202 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:46,839 Speaker 2: just go, go go, because you can go to i know, 203 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 2: let's say, a warrant, and then you find other offenses 204 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 2: that have occurred, and you've got to go and grab 205 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 2: somebody else, grab a crook. We call them crooks. But 206 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:57,679 Speaker 2: there's no day to day. But you can go in 207 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 2: with into the office with visions, oh I'm going to 208 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 2: do this job today, like this investigation, and it can 209 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 2: all pardon me, just turn to shit the minute you 210 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 2: walk in. Yeah, there is no day the same. There's 211 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 2: very few days where you can just have a bit 212 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 2: of time out because what happens is you might come 213 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 2: back from that warrant and want to go home like I. No, 214 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 2: let's say it's five or six o'clock at night and no, 215 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 2: let's say a rape comes in. You can't go home. 216 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 2: So you've got to then go to that job, and 217 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:30,199 Speaker 2: you come in the next morning and you've got to 218 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 2: go to court, or you come in the next morning 219 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:35,559 Speaker 2: and something else is going on. It is it's relentless, 220 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 2: to be honest. 221 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: Does that make work home life balance really difficult? Yes, 222 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:45,199 Speaker 1: because even you know, on my own experience, I'm doing 223 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: nothing similar to you, but I struggle because there's no 224 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: definitive end to things. It's like, well, we'll do the 225 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: next thing, do the next thing. Ye, So how does 226 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: that work for someone like you? 227 00:12:56,920 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 2: Well, it's exactly the same. You've got to be very 228 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 2: mindful of it. And what I found was I found 229 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 2: that I loved going out, let's say, with my girlfriends 230 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 2: for a dream core from dinner or something because they 231 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 2: would talk about this sounds wrong, but the mundane stuff. 232 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 2: You know, they couldn't get a park outside the kinder 233 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 2: somebody's you know, I had one of the kids is 234 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 2: had diarrhea overnight. All they've been It's good to have 235 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 2: your feet on the ground and know that it's not 236 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 2: normal to talk about death messages, to talk about sexual assault, 237 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 2: it's not normal. So you've got I found that by 238 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 2: keeping the friends that I grew up with that weren't police. 239 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 2: I found that a really good grounding, kind. 240 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:42,079 Speaker 1: Of like a touchstone there for you to go back 241 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 1: in and be like, yeah, oh, real people exist because 242 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: you're getting the real extreme ends of people, the highest 243 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 1: type of emotion and experience and everything. So I'm going 244 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:58,719 Speaker 1: to understand how that's is everyone like this? Yes, So 245 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 1: you said you've worked on some high profile cases. What 246 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: are some of the cases you've solved that you can 247 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 1: talk about. 248 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 2: And well, I can talk about them because they've been solved. 249 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 2: There's either a person in jail or. They've all been 250 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 2: through the courts. So there's nothing that I can't talk 251 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 2: that I'm going to tell you about. But I just 252 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 2: want to take you back there. It's not ones that 253 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 2: I have solved. I have been involved in solving them, 254 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 2: because the ones I was going to tell you about 255 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 2: were say ones at the squads. They're the Really they're 256 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 2: a big, high profile jobs where everyone's you notice I 257 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 2: say jobs, We say that all the time. They're investigations, right, 258 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 2: should call them gigs? Oh no, you can't call them gigs. 259 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 1: Can't do a gig? 260 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 2: Do I do that? I feel a bit of a 261 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 2: dickcare talk talking about I've got a gig here. 262 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: Love it. I think we can trade lingo pollinating. I 263 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: like it. 264 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 2: But yet, yes, so a couple of jobs whenever there's 265 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 2: a child involved. And I don't want to bring this down, 266 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 2: but it's reality. Anything that involves a child just takes 267 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 2: an investigation to another level. And you can't walk away 268 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 2: from jobs that have been involved with a child, let's 269 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 2: say child abuse or child exploitation or a child being killed. 270 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 2: You know, they are really tough jobs. And one of 271 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 2: the ones that I worked on was Anna and Gracie Sharp. 272 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 2: It was called the Mornington Monster and John Sharp. They 273 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 2: lived in Mornington. They'd had little Gracie and as pregnant 274 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 2: with their second child, and John's just had enough of her. 275 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 2: He kills her, puts her in a rubbish bag and 276 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 2: throws her out in the rubbish that you do like 277 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 2: peeling your potatoes. Then a couple of days later he 278 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 2: kills a little girl. And I won't go into that, 279 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 2: but he kills a little girl, the little seventeen month old, 280 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 2: because he thinks that she needs to be with her mum. 281 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 2: But he also throws her out in the rubbish in 282 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 2: a bag, like in a rubbish bag. I found. We 283 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 2: found out that they are at a tip. Yes, and 284 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 2: I found I did. I found Anna in a bag 285 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 2: at a tip. I've never ever had to search so 286 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 2: many blue sports bags in my life. But on the 287 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 2: tenth day I found her. And to be honest, I 288 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 2: felt this real sound bizarre, but I felt almost euphoric 289 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 2: initially because I just felt, thank God, this poor woman 290 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 2: isn't going to end her life in a filthy, rat infested, 291 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 2: asbestos ridden tip. And so that was initially it was like, 292 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 2: thank goodness, I've found her. She's now over. She's been 293 00:16:56,280 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 2: buried over with her mum in New Zealand, and little 294 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 2: Gracie was found a couple of days later. I think 295 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 2: I was saved. Finding Anna was very traumatic, but I 296 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:11,159 Speaker 2: don't think I could well, I know I couldn't have 297 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 2: dealt with finding little Gracie. The boys that I worked 298 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 2: with they found her. I must have had court or 299 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 2: something this particular day. But I feel I was saved 300 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 2: because I couldn't have dealt with that anyway. So there's 301 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 2: you know, jobs like that. And to listen to John Sharp, 302 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 2: who is now doing thirty three years, I think it 303 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 2: is for the two murders. He eventually confessed. But to 304 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 2: hear John Sharp talk about how he had killed Anna 305 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:41,679 Speaker 2: and Gracie, it was like he killed an ant on 306 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:42,399 Speaker 2: the footpath. 307 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:43,159 Speaker 1: Yeah. 308 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:47,679 Speaker 2: No, he just he had the personality of a stop sign, 309 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 2: you know, like he he just sorry. It's just such 310 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:56,159 Speaker 2: a good description, isn't it. But he did there was 311 00:17:56,600 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 2: he just was. He had nothing. He was just a nudy, 312 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 2: pathetic man. Anyway, So there was that one I found 313 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 2: Maria Corp. I found Maria in a boot up. We 314 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 2: as in the team when we found the car and 315 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:17,360 Speaker 2: she'd been strangled by it. This is a little bit saucy, 316 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 2: but Maria Corp had been married to Joe. She thought 317 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 2: very happily, but Joe was very very frustrated with their 318 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 2: sex life. Thought it needed a bit of but yes, yes, 319 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 2: spicing up perfect. So he says to Maria, let's go 320 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:41,360 Speaker 2: on a dating site for threesomes. So they find a threesome. 321 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:45,160 Speaker 2: They find a lady Tanya, who wants to get involved. 322 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 2: Her and Joe together murdered Maria. Joe got organized at all, 323 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 2: and Tanya is the one that actually strangled her. She 324 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 2: believed that she was dead, and she put her in 325 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:02,159 Speaker 2: the boot of the car and drove her to just 326 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:05,719 Speaker 2: out in the CBD and we did a media release. 327 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 2: We found the car, and we found Maria in the boot, 328 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:11,640 Speaker 2: and for all intents and purposes, we thought she was dead. 329 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 2: But somebody had to get in and check that she was. 330 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 2: So I got into the boot and I sort of 331 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 2: almost like spooned her because I had to check for 332 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 2: her signs of life and all that sort of stuff, 333 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 2: and she was decomposing. She was pretty bad, and she'd 334 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 2: been in the hot February sun in the boot for 335 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,159 Speaker 2: four days, so, you know, she was pretty bad, but 336 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 2: we believe she was dead. But when I checked her 337 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 2: signs of life there was nothing. But just on a 338 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 2: bit of a whim, I sort of maneuvered myself and 339 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:43,159 Speaker 2: I found and I put my head near her chest 340 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 2: and I saw a chest move up and down. It 341 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 2: was amazing, and I just yelled at the top of 342 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:53,440 Speaker 2: my boys. She's alive. She's alive. But she never regained consciousness. 343 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 2: She never left hospital. She was in hospital for six months. 344 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 2: But on the day that she of her funeral, Joe 345 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 2: ended his life. Tanya became a prosecution witness, and you know, 346 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:09,679 Speaker 2: in a way, I sort of felt a little bit 347 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 2: sorry for Tenure because really, whether she's looking for a 348 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:17,719 Speaker 2: threesome or it doesn't really matter. She was looking for 349 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 2: somebody to love. She we all want to be loved. 350 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: What comes out of all these stories is that you 351 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 1: go into situations with such an open mind. You don't 352 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 1: seem like a judgmental person at all, unless there're a 353 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:37,360 Speaker 1: stop sign. I'm pretty judgmental, but I think that's really 354 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 1: wonderful to hear, because you know, for someone like me 355 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: or a lot of people in my community, we can 356 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: be quite uncomfortable around the police force. 357 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 2: So that makes me feel sad. But it's a reality, 358 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 2: isn't it. 359 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:51,679 Speaker 1: It is. That's why it's really wonderful to hear these stories. 360 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: I'm so grateful that you've come and shared them with 361 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:57,640 Speaker 1: me today. It's very nice of you. Are there any 362 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: funny things that happened why you're a detective and he's 363 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 1: I don't know any strange any strange cases, silly ones. 364 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 1: I don't know. There's a gimby some goths. I want 365 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:09,640 Speaker 1: some goths. 366 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 2: There's some lots of silly ones, you know. I've actually 367 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 2: arrested a drug crazed armed Robert who was off his face. 368 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 2: I had no police uniform on, I didn't have a gun, 369 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 2: I didn't have a police radio. Just one of those 370 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:29,920 Speaker 2: typical let's snick down the street and get some lunch. 371 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 2: I'm down there getting the lunch with a colleague. He 372 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 2: sees this drug crazed arm Robert. We've been looking for 373 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 2: for ages and this guy's held up a tab with 374 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:43,920 Speaker 2: a sawn off shoddy and m colleague goes, that's him. 375 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 2: The phrase they used to call me phrase, that's him 376 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 2: over there. And we're in a car in a like 377 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 2: his little nineteen seventy one bright orange glant m colleague 378 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 2: drives up next to him, and of course I'm the passenger, 379 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 2: so I'm next to this because he's driving a car 380 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 2: as well. It's a stolen car, right, and I don't 381 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,399 Speaker 2: know what to do, so I wind down the window. 382 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,679 Speaker 2: I've got nothing right and I wonder and you know 383 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:13,880 Speaker 2: what I do with my finger, I go, please get 384 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 2: out of the car now. And you know what he did, 385 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 2: gets better he gets, he gets out of. 386 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:24,880 Speaker 1: The car, finger out him and you know what he says. 387 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 2: He puts his hands in the air and he said, 388 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 2: don't shoot. 389 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,159 Speaker 1: You like I will use his finger whipping no wheel. 390 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:34,879 Speaker 1: I'm good at poking that. 391 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 2: That is how off his face he was on drugs. 392 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:41,160 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. Takes a bit of imagination and you're 393 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 1: going to go. My first of a job was working 394 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:46,880 Speaker 1: at KFCs at the front counter, and on a Saturday night, 395 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 1: every now and then mum would come in and get 396 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 1: the dinner for the family and order it from me. 397 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 1: So she's waiting in line and this like crazy guy 398 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: jumps the counter and starts threatening all of ours and 399 00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 1: she's watching, you know, little of me behind the counter airing. 400 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: Mom steps out and goes, I'm an off judy. Police 401 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 1: women looking for you. We know exactly who you are. 402 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 1: And he runs up and bolt tested hilarious and then 403 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 1: everyone's like, oh my god, your mum's an off juny. 404 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: But she's a police officer. We didn't even know. And 405 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 1: I was like, she's not. It's clear that I have, 406 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: you know, a detective in my blood because of my mum. 407 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 1: So I think I have what it takes to be detective. 408 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,120 Speaker 2: So I would love to academy. 409 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: Well, I want to see if you can give me 410 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,879 Speaker 1: a scenario to test my detective skills so that you 411 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 1: can do. 412 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 2: That, I'll do my best. Okay, all right, okay, I 413 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 2: have about this. You go to a house and there's 414 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 2: a person that's dead next to the refrigerator. Oh, there's 415 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 2: a pool of water next to them. They don't have 416 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 2: any injuries, they don't nothing, they haven't taken any pills, 417 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 2: they find nothing in the autopsy. Nothing. How has that 418 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 2: person died? 419 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:12,399 Speaker 1: They have no injuries, Nope, And the piol of blood around. 420 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 2: Them, no, no water, just a little bit of water. 421 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 1: Just a little bit. They choked a nice cube. 422 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:20,880 Speaker 2: I'm going home. 423 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 1: I only know that because everyone always, everyone always says, like, 424 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,679 Speaker 1: all the perfect murder weapon is like a shot of ice. Yeah, 425 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 1: because it right. 426 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. But also, do you know the best way I 427 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:40,400 Speaker 2: shouldn't say this, but do you know the best way 428 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 2: to get rid of a dead body? If you ever 429 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 2: want to If you ever want to kill someone and 430 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 2: you don't know how to get rid of them, you 431 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 2: feed it to a pig. Pigs eat everything. 432 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 1: I've heard stories of it, or like, at least rumors 433 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:50,399 Speaker 1: that that's happened. 434 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 2: You know, I believe I haven't been to a body where. 435 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: Because you wouldn't find it, won't you. 436 00:24:56,119 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 2: Well, that's true. You are required to be. You're a 437 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 2: detective in the motion. 438 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 1: I know a pig when I see one, you look 439 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 1: at it one? Well, I just called a four police 440 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 1: detective a pig. How's your day going? Well? At least 441 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:26,639 Speaker 1: I know I'll be able to join them with my 442 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 1: exclusive skill set. Bring it old drag, detective. You've been 443 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:36,159 Speaker 1: listening to an iHeart Australia production concealed with artsimone. If 444 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,119 Speaker 1: you want to check out these two piggies, head on 445 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 1: over to the Socials