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Speaker 1: On today's podcast, I have Tim Robarts, who is here
Speaker 1: to talk about his epic time on SAS Australia, which
Speaker 1: finished up last week with Matthew, mitchm and Tim passing
Speaker 1: the cause. Tim has had a pretty active career in
Speaker 1: television since first appearing on the Bachelor, from being the
Speaker 1: Badge of the Jungle to acting in Neighbors, amongst other
Speaker 1: TV series, Tim is now here to tell you about
Speaker 1: how challenging this latest TV venture was to film. Sas
Speaker 1: Australia is a huge show for Channel seven where celebrity
Speaker 1: contestants undergo a training program that echoes the Special Air
Speaker 1: Services selection. They face several challenges that test both their
Speaker 1: physical and mental capacity, and with all that yelling from
Speaker 1: Aunt Middleton, I'm pretty sure the main prize win or
Speaker 1: lose is PTSD. I will ask him about being called boring,
Speaker 1: and will find out about his relationship with Craig McLaughlin
Speaker 1: or what that was like behind the scenes. I'll ask
Speaker 1: him if he felt he needed to beat his wife Anna,
Speaker 1: who did the series last year, and I also will
Speaker 1: find out what pushed him each day. There is also
Speaker 1: a lot to unpack with Tim's interrogation and we will
Speaker 1: talk about the time in his life that could have
Speaker 1: been explored and been a little bit more revealing. Plus
Speaker 1: we will get plenty of exclusives from behind the scenes
Speaker 1: of Sas Australia, which finished last week on Channel seven,
Speaker 1: but guys, you can still catch up on on seven
Speaker 1: plus if you missed it anyway, let's bring Tim into
Speaker 1: the podcast. And guys, I really do hope you enjoy
Speaker 1: this catch up with sas Australia's latest success story. Hey Tim,
Speaker 1: I'm very well. You know what I just realized I
Speaker 1: was Because it's Halloween. I got tagged in this photo
Speaker 1: with you, and I don't know if you've ever remembered,
Speaker 1: because this is now ten years ago, but we were
Speaker 1: at a Halloween party together in Sydney that a woman
Speaker 1: Tiffany I think her name was, that set it up.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, and you.
Speaker 1: Your show was about to start. No one had even
Speaker 1: seen an episode of the Bachelor, and do you remember
Speaker 1: they had to like write Bachelor on your suit and
Speaker 1: put roses on you so people knew who you were
Speaker 1: because you were about to be catastrophically famous, but not
Speaker 1: at that point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was. So I went as a as a
Speaker 2: the thing was like, all right, let's do the suit.
Speaker 2: But as a bachelor that's had like, you know, like
Speaker 2: been accosted by these women. So it was like a
Speaker 2: food that was all.
Speaker 3: Torn and I had a black eye and and all that,
Speaker 3: and I remember the next day I got a call
Speaker 3: from the producer going, what the f what are you doing?
Speaker 2: What are you doing? Was he was so dirty and
Speaker 2: that I had, you know, potentially I don't know, either
Speaker 2: mocked or tonic or whatever.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: I got in trouble as well because I was dressed
Speaker 1: as an Indian and on stage being interviewed by Angela Bishop.
Speaker 1: I think it was one of those entertainment ladies and
Speaker 1: you know you're in trouble with the network because you've
Speaker 1: been punched in the face and attacked by women. But
Speaker 1: I actually said I came dressed as an Indian because
Speaker 1: it was my favorite food, Indian food. So it's very
Speaker 1: casually and so between the two of us, surprise we
Speaker 1: weren't canceled and not talking right now?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it wasn't. There was the same cancer culture
Speaker 2: back then.
Speaker 1: We survived. We're here.
Speaker 2: I think everyone else got the joke with mine, apart
Speaker 2: from the producer.
Speaker 1: Do you still speak to him, No.
Speaker 2: I haven't for a while. That he was he was
Speaker 2: he was a good actually just that.
Speaker 1: Well, Timmy, he's not going to listen to the podcast.
Speaker 1: It's okay, you won't come for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you never know, you never know.
Speaker 1: Well, I should stop congratulations on completing the course. Congratulations
Speaker 1: to you and Matthew. What an achievement.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it was a lot harder than it looks.
Speaker 2: You know, I think what's being from home, you see
Speaker 2: it is that some people want you look at me
Speaker 2: and go, you know, well, I don't think I could
Speaker 2: do that. I could walk along that road for to
Speaker 2: do that. But the course the hardest because the course
Speaker 2: is all the stuff in between the challengers. They grind
Speaker 2: you down. They constantly keep you in a state of
Speaker 2: fear and stress and anxiety, and that getting to every
Speaker 2: day feels like a week. So to get to the end,
Speaker 2: and for me to get to the end without being
Speaker 2: totally broken was was quite an achievement.
Speaker 1: What I feel like to you know, at times come
Speaker 1: close to not completing the course. What are those What
Speaker 1: did those moments feel.
Speaker 2: Like like when you know, the first two or three days,
Speaker 2: but I was like, I don't know if I can
Speaker 2: do this, like this issue, this constant fear and stress,
Speaker 2: and that is not worse. Like I was doing well
Speaker 2: in itially in a lot of the tasks and passing
Speaker 2: and there's that sense of achievement, But that sense of
Speaker 2: achievement you don't get much of a pat on the back.
Speaker 2: It's right done. On the next thing, that sense of
Speaker 2: achievement was not outweighing the constant discomfort in site that
Speaker 2: I was in, and I'm like, man, I don't want
Speaker 2: to be I'm not. Actually I thought i'd feel a
Speaker 2: lot more like wow, because I remember Anna talking to
Speaker 2: me about hurting and she's like, didn't do this for this,
Speaker 2: and then I was doing it and I felt amazing,
Speaker 2: and you know he was he had no expectations on herself.
Speaker 2: I actually went in there with sign like that spectation
Speaker 2: on myself from others and end with that pressure too,
Speaker 2: like I've at least got to do as well as
Speaker 2: my wife or I will never be able to hold
Speaker 2: my head up. I want to get home.
Speaker 1: I wanted to know that though. So that was a
Speaker 1: driving force because I mean, you know, I know that
Speaker 1: Anna completed the course, you know, and she did eleven days,
Speaker 1: and so I can imagine it would have been really
Speaker 1: important for you to do the same thing.
Speaker 2: It wasn't a driving force, but it was a great
Speaker 2: reason not to quit. But it wasn't my driving force
Speaker 2: to go on there and do well. I didn't need
Speaker 2: to go and I could have not done it at all,
Speaker 2: and then I'd still never be compared, you know. But
Speaker 2: once I'd gone yes, I'll do it, there was that
Speaker 2: underlying prector if I don't make it all the way
Speaker 2: to the end, I'm always going to have that louing
Speaker 2: over me. But it was it wasn't ever the thing
Speaker 2: that made me do it or the thing that pushed me,
Speaker 2: but it was the thing that just stopped me quitting.
Speaker 2: It was one thing that stopped me quitting.
Speaker 1: You know, if by any chance, you only did two
Speaker 1: days and she did eleven, you just hope that her
Speaker 1: genetics was stronger.
Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, exactly. I think I got some good excuses,
Speaker 2: but I had no I definitely had other things that
Speaker 2: really were the things that I used to drive me
Speaker 2: to push through the end. I mean that was a
Speaker 2: mixture of wanting to set as an example of my daughter.
Speaker 2: I know my wife did it, but you know, you
Speaker 2: think your daughter is also going to work throople my
Speaker 2: coo daughters, now, the second one on the way, it's
Speaker 2: going to watch this, and you want them to have
Speaker 2: something to kind of be able to watch back and remember.
Speaker 1: And what about the bragging rights at home? Because I
Speaker 1: mean we saw that. You know, your wife Anna tweet
Speaker 1: you know, tweeted or put it on Instagram that you
Speaker 1: know she completed an extra day than you on the
Speaker 1: show because her series was longer. Does she have extra
Speaker 1: bragging rights at home? Is she allowed to have that?
Speaker 2: You know, one of my mates, cit he has always
Speaker 2: let you. I think he's the one in contole power.
Speaker 2: So I'll just let her have that.
Speaker 1: You did not let her have that though. You are
Speaker 1: just saying that now, you're like, oh, I've got nowhere
Speaker 1: to go.
Speaker 2: Always set up for failure because I was set up
Speaker 2: for fallue because there was no way I could beat
Speaker 2: her because I only our course only went for ten days.
Speaker 2: I feel like we agree to disagree.
Speaker 1: You know, you'd obviously compare the courses, and I actually
Speaker 1: think that the course that you completed was much harder
Speaker 1: than hers. When you swaped notes between the two of you,
Speaker 1: what were the comparisons.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes did be. I think the biggest comparison was
Speaker 2: that she went in with no expectations on her from
Speaker 2: her very minimal from herself, from the DS, from what
Speaker 2: you would deceive, the audience would think. And so every
Speaker 2: day he lasted another day. He was kind of you know,
Speaker 2: to the Laker, he was so happy where Yeah, me
Speaker 2: going in there, I felt like I already come in
Speaker 2: being the health and fitness guy with an expectation. I
Speaker 2: look a certain way, there's an expectations. And then also
Speaker 2: my wife did so well, there's an expectape then for
Speaker 2: me to do as well or better or forever be
Speaker 2: you know. My wife then in her fat So they.
Speaker 1: Were okay though, you know, in a world where we
Speaker 1: celebrate the Matilda's and no one can remember any of
Speaker 1: the soccer wo's name, it's okay, you know for the
Speaker 1: woman to do well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well, you know, yeah, possibly in our situation,
Speaker 2: but there's still I think me and my wife are
Speaker 2: very competitive scene in someway. Although she's super supportive, she's
Speaker 2: also very competitive.
Speaker 1: I love that you need it.
Speaker 2: So there was there was that that was a big
Speaker 2: part of it. But then we come back and together, right.
Speaker 2: So one thing she left out was, you know, she
Speaker 2: would still have experienced all the stuff in between the
Speaker 2: challenges because we only ever talked about the challenges and
Speaker 2: the stuff you see uf you don't see it's the
Speaker 2: day to day see all the you know, even the
Speaker 2: runs they do sometimes we'd finish the task and they
Speaker 2: go right, everyone run and they kind of beast you,
Speaker 2: semi beast you with a run. You'd run push ups,
Speaker 2: run push ups, run for kilometers and then they don't
Speaker 2: show that at all. We've been through it. So you
Speaker 2: kind of like get to the camp and everyone's like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, I'm you know, and you're like, well,
Speaker 2: you just went and did one little you know, climb
Speaker 2: across the road. What are you so worn out for?
Speaker 2: You don't realize the run kilometers there we you know,
Speaker 2: all the things you do, Like last night, even in
Speaker 2: that final episode they said, oh, they were moved to
Speaker 2: a holding ground, we were held in stress positions for
Speaker 2: three hours. They kind of left that part out, but
Speaker 2: you know, stress positions are ones where they hold you
Speaker 2: in each position for about twenty minutes and then a
Speaker 2: lay came and if you didn't hold that position, they'd
Speaker 2: come in and yell at you and put your back
Speaker 2: in that position. So your body throbbing, your muscles are
Speaker 2: aching in these positions, and that was the whole thing
Speaker 2: that they left out, Like, why don't you just say
Speaker 2: they put us in stress positions? They like they've tried
Speaker 2: to stoppen it a lot and leave a lot of
Speaker 2: that stuff out, you know.
Speaker 1: Not to show the audience. I mean, I don't know
Speaker 1: if I could. I could not do this course. Like
Speaker 1: I just thought it was so stressful watching. I would
Speaker 1: also say, I'd wonder if I'd be able to face
Speaker 1: my biggest fear to be true, because mine is pretty bad.
Speaker 1: Mine's the sound of people eating. You know, if I
Speaker 1: had and I was watching everyone eating on this show
Speaker 1: and I reckon, that would have had me pull out.
Speaker 1: I'd be like, yep, I'm out of the competition.
Speaker 2: Yeah. One of the hardest things was the snoring orchestra
Speaker 2: at night. And you don't think about it, but like,
Speaker 2: if you're not sleeping on that course, you will be.
Speaker 2: You'll go pretty quick, like there's only so many nights
Speaker 2: you can do with you are our sleep. And we
Speaker 2: had two people like really loud ignored and then one
Speaker 2: reverse or who would breathe in and then on the
Speaker 2: way out, it would be.
Speaker 1: Do they pay you danger money for this sort of
Speaker 1: a show, because I mean, you've done a few reality
Speaker 1: shows right now, so I guess when you're on the
Speaker 1: Bachelort it was your first reality experience. They probably wouldn't
Speaker 1: have paid you, you know, Motza like if THEYD you
Speaker 1: do a show like that again, I mean you've done
Speaker 1: on the Celebrity, you've done other shows. Is do you
Speaker 1: get paid a lot more for SAS because of danger money?
Speaker 2: Probably? I mean everyone's on different things, but I think
Speaker 2: that's probably one way. You know, that's the longer you last,
Speaker 2: the better. And it's one of those those because even
Speaker 2: though it's only ten days, you're still getting a full
Speaker 2: those you probably I guess you'd probably get paid similar
Speaker 2: to other stories they go for five or six week right,
Speaker 2: So there's maybe there's that's positive in a way, But.
Speaker 1: This would be your biggest payday there from a reality show,
Speaker 1: wouldn't it.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe I guess you haven't finished without going into it,
Speaker 2: but I remember talking to Abby who did fifty five
Speaker 2: days on Survivor, Yeah, and I think she was saying
Speaker 2: that this was harder.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: So you know, nine days on SAS compared to fifty
Speaker 2: five days on Survivor. I'm sure they think that you know,
Speaker 2: on six five days and survive and all that hell
Speaker 2: a lot more. But I'm a day to day grueling
Speaker 2: sort of thing. I think you were saying it was
Speaker 2: harder than you know.
Speaker 1: Mental load though this show, the mental load would be
Speaker 1: really high. So when you returned, Laura, did you find
Speaker 1: that you behaved bizarrely or weirdly? Was there like a
Speaker 1: hangover period where you'd be a bit snappy or you
Speaker 1: didn't feel so motivated? Do you want to go catch
Speaker 1: the waves down and BONDI?
Speaker 2: I think because I knew I did well.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 2: I came back with like quite a bit of self belief.
Speaker 2: I was really happy that was something I got out
Speaker 2: of it. I knew how hard it was for me
Speaker 2: and how much I had to put through. That was
Speaker 2: quite a positive. So I came back really somewhat positive.
Speaker 2: I couldn't tell anyone anything though, but I was having
Speaker 2: a little bit of It's almost a bit of BTSD
Speaker 2: where I go to bed and every night for about
Speaker 2: two weeks, i'd wake up, like almost.
Speaker 1: I'd wake up and think I'd strangle.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was. I was waking up thinking that I'm
Speaker 2: ready for another mentioning because you're constantly go, you know,
Speaker 2: I do this? Am I really my boots dry?
Speaker 3: Try?
Speaker 2: Is that right? And I'd wake up and it'd be
Speaker 2: in a fluster. I'd be like I'm actually I'm back home.
Speaker 1: I'm okay, I'm okay, you're okay.
Speaker 2: And that went on for about two weeks. Wow, you
Speaker 2: can only imagine what it would be like if you
Speaker 2: were actually you know, you'd actually gone through war until
Speaker 2: different autrocities and all that, and did this for months,
Speaker 2: Like I can understand how my little taste of it.
Speaker 2: You know, there's a lot of you know, potentially people
Speaker 2: see real bad dust would need a lot of support.
Speaker 1: Well, Jackie came out today saying that, you know, she's
Speaker 1: like as if these any of these celebrities could get
Speaker 1: into sas you know, she took you all the task.
Speaker 1: But what are your thoughts on that? Do you think
Speaker 1: that you would be able to officially get into the SASH?
Speaker 2: I think, like doing their stories, what they go through
Speaker 2: is so much tougher. I think I in a younger
Speaker 2: time would have had maybe the physical ability and stuff
Speaker 2: that you've really got to have the mental want to
Speaker 2: put through like they go through six months and that stuff.
Speaker 2: You know, you've you've really got to be sort of
Speaker 2: a different build or like Ant says, he sort of
Speaker 2: says like we you know a lot of us to
Speaker 2: dig dinners where the some of the earth. If we
Speaker 2: weren't doing this, we'd probably be big drug dealers. I'm
Speaker 2: pretty sure I've heard him say that before. We'd be
Speaker 2: not drug necessarily drug dealer, but like we'd be.
Speaker 1: I'm like, if you weren't a million dollar island and
Speaker 1: being on sas, I'm pretty sure you would be in
Speaker 1: a lineup possibly.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, like you know, a lot of these people
Speaker 2: come from sort of you know, foster families and broken
Speaker 2: families and this, and that they actually do really well
Speaker 2: with a real sense of structor, probably people who haven't
Speaker 2: grown up with my structor in their life, and what
Speaker 2: the military offers is a real center of structor, but
Speaker 2: also that achievement and knowing you know, some of them
Speaker 2: might be super patriotical I didn't want to help, but
Speaker 2: there's also that level of like kinding all that kind
Speaker 2: of energy, and there's there's all of that so that
Speaker 2: that is a different person there's generally in the s
Speaker 2: So I think you have to have a lot of
Speaker 2: testos thrown, you have to have a lot of that,
Speaker 2: you know, that right kind of energy. So look, I
Speaker 2: think I if I had the want to be there,
Speaker 2: I reckon I can I could put myself through that
Speaker 2: pull degree. But as they said, you know, like I
Speaker 2: remember when Aunt went through, he said there was like
Speaker 2: two hundred and something people in three pasts. I think, wow,
Speaker 2: you know, so that's I don't know if I'd fully passed,
Speaker 2: but you know, i'd give it a red hot craft.
Speaker 1: I think you did pretty well. You did get to
Speaker 1: meet some very amazing people. And the cast that they
Speaker 1: put together for this show is always very complex because
Speaker 1: you're looking for people who might have had a check
Speaker 1: a past, or they might have had had something happen
Speaker 1: in their lives that they really need to face. Who
Speaker 1: surprised you the most when it came to the day
Speaker 1: to day and getting to know these people up close.
Speaker 2: Everyone for sort of different reasons, But.
Speaker 1: Yeah, was there somebody in particular you were like, Wow,
Speaker 1: I got really close to this person and it wasn't
Speaker 1: who I thought they were from my own interpretation, you know,
Speaker 1: from my own reading of the news or seeing them
Speaker 1: on shows.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I had a lot of that with
Speaker 2: a lot of them. There wasn't necessarily a stand. One
Speaker 2: thing I did love about everyone in there was everyone
Speaker 2: kind of allowed everyone to come in with a clean
Speaker 2: slate and it was open to you know, they weren't
Speaker 2: quick to judge and they're preconceived ideas. I think we
Speaker 2: kind of all just left them and we're like, right,
Speaker 2: let's just be open to you know, we've we've all
Speaker 2: probably read things about each other, but let's be open
Speaker 2: to just a clean slate and get to know you
Speaker 2: for who you really are. Because I think everyone was
Speaker 2: kind of there's a lot of people in there for that,
Speaker 2: and that's one thing I really appreciated about it, and
Speaker 2: I thought it was really nice and not sort of
Speaker 2: said a few times, and I think we need a
Speaker 2: bit more of that in the world. You know, everyone's
Speaker 2: so quick to label and judge, and I think that
Speaker 2: was nice to go in there with a clean slate.
Speaker 2: I did, you know, I think initially I'd seen Cathy
Speaker 2: you know, talk over the over the time, so different interviews,
Speaker 2: and it was nice to see her at a point
Speaker 2: where things in her life it can be, you know,
Speaker 2: more open and honest, and she was quite a really
Speaker 2: nice person and very giving as much as he could.
Speaker 2: Like he was having a struggle in there because it
Speaker 2: was bringing back a lot of memories and things I
Speaker 2: think for it from when he was overseas in prison,
Speaker 2: but he was a really sort of central goal and
Speaker 2: you can seek he's been through so much, he's been
Speaker 2: really lovely. They also really wanted to know that they've
Speaker 2: turned the corner and they've you know, they've more to
Speaker 2: them than like expectively say heard through this label of
Speaker 2: cocaine passy that he's got to kind of live with.
Speaker 1: The person who I was thinking about was Craig McLaughlin
Speaker 1: after hearing his story and as much as we've known
Speaker 1: about what had really happened to him after he'd been
Speaker 1: in the Rocky Horror Picture Show and he was almost
Speaker 1: you know, completely his career just came to a grinding halt.
Speaker 1: After hearing his story up close, How do you feel
Speaker 1: about him now? I mean, what was that experience like
Speaker 1: to watch him processing something very hard? Was that hard
Speaker 1: for you to watch it up close?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Look, I think Craig was a real great support
Speaker 2: in that he brought a great energy. He was always
Speaker 2: sort of entertaining us. He was he was a good
Speaker 2: support to me. He was like a father figure in
Speaker 2: there in a way. In some bits you know, that
Speaker 2: was really nice, Like I really got along well with Craig,
Speaker 2: and he was he was great having there. I know
Speaker 2: that you could tell like he's been through so much,
Speaker 2: so he did have and he wanted to kind of
Speaker 2: tell his story being there, use this as a way
Speaker 2: to go what he's been through. And even though he
Speaker 2: was acquitted of everything, the damage has got it done
Speaker 2: to his brand. You know, he hasn't been able to
Speaker 2: work for five years, and you know, I know how
Speaker 2: challenging that must because this was an opportunity for him
Speaker 2: to try and go again who he really is, or
Speaker 2: at least you know, kind of like get redeem himself
Speaker 2: for what been put out there in the media. And
Speaker 2: I know he'd been through such a struggle like he
Speaker 2: has could have said, you know, he struggled to like
Speaker 2: just go down to a coffee, grab a coffee because
Speaker 2: he's worried about you know, he would see people were
Speaker 2: saying what they were the look he was getting all
Speaker 2: of that, and I can only magine how horrible that was.
Speaker 2: And he'd become a real bell and had that obia
Speaker 2: of local phobia. So I think for him, he was
Speaker 2: just so great to like so appreciative to be able
Speaker 2: to talk the new people again and open himself up again.
Speaker 2: I think so. I think it's been a really positive
Speaker 2: thing for.
Speaker 1: Him doing a show like this, though, do you think
Speaker 1: it could change someone's profile? Like, do you think if
Speaker 1: you've been scrutinized this hard for so long and even
Speaker 1: though he's acquitted, there's still so much noise that's there.
Speaker 1: Do you think going on says and facing your demons
Speaker 1: and showing the pain up front and on you know,
Speaker 1: a national program like this, is there a possibility that
Speaker 1: you can get a redemption store and go back to work,
Speaker 1: Like what do you think?
Speaker 2: Now? There will always be people on both sides, probably
Speaker 2: for him, where someone will just wether either team Craig
Speaker 2: or they're not. And yes, I think something like this
Speaker 2: could definitely bring people more people honest, Actually maybe people
Speaker 2: are sort of fitting the fans or don't know much,
Speaker 2: but you know, you know, I heard him speak and
Speaker 2: I like or at least there's always going to be
Speaker 2: people on both sides of the fence, So yeah, I
Speaker 2: think there's I think there's been a lot of people
Speaker 2: who liked watching his journey and he's got a lot
Speaker 2: more respect from a lot of people. And then you'll
Speaker 2: probably always have some people who just got things on
Speaker 2: on their own life, they're never going to accept any
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 1: And Matthew was the other person. You know, he completed
Speaker 1: the course with you, and you guys are going to
Speaker 1: share that for a long time, which I think, you
Speaker 1: know would be a very special bond. Have you kept
Speaker 1: in contact with him? And I was curious to know
Speaker 1: how he went. His revelations were in his interrogation episode
Speaker 1: were so honest and so brutal. Do you know much
Speaker 1: about how he went returning to his life and how
Speaker 1: his husband's had taken that on board, how people had
Speaker 1: absorbed his like his revelations or he's honesty.
Speaker 2: With Matthew, I mean, yeah, he had some really open
Speaker 2: and honest acts on there, and you know, how to
Speaker 2: off him for being so vulnerable, for putting it out there,
Speaker 2: and you know, I think, I think you know, he's
Speaker 2: he's in a good place at the moment. And and
Speaker 2: I think sometimes you know, listening going on these shows,
Speaker 2: they make you accountable because you know thee an audience watching,
Speaker 2: and I think by bringing that up, it's probably made
Speaker 2: him extra accountable to stick to it. Yeah, I'm not
Speaker 2: I've told everyone that I you know, I have had
Speaker 2: a tendency to lie in the past, and now that's
Speaker 2: out there. Now I have to stick to not lying
Speaker 2: because I've put it out there.
Speaker 1: You know, I think he'd been masking something. You know,
Speaker 1: when you're masking some secrets, you've developed these habits to
Speaker 1: keep them a secret. And when you unmasking like this
Speaker 1: and tell people what's actually going on, and it's so
Speaker 1: visible to everyone, you know, it becomes so palsiful. You've
Speaker 1: got nowhere to hide. So I think, you know, what
Speaker 1: he did in that was was phenomenal. I think a
Speaker 1: lot of people also commented that you didn't dig as deep.
Speaker 1: Now I don't want I wanted to ask you about
Speaker 1: this because is that because you have less to confront
Speaker 1: than say, some of the others, or did you actually
Speaker 1: go through that while they were filming? Did we not
Speaker 1: see all the work that you did in the interrogation room.
Speaker 1: I've kind of felt like there's kind of a possibility
Speaker 1: of things happening here, a.
Speaker 2: Mixture of both. I felt like my I didn't have
Speaker 2: the big traumatizing backstory that a lot of people have
Speaker 2: got going in there. I haven't been in jail, in
Speaker 2: a comby in prison. I don't have haven't had sexual assault,
Speaker 2: so it's me. I haven't that, and I could be
Speaker 2: got all those things, but my stuff is relative to me.
Speaker 2: I've had my challenges and my challeent is getting in there,
Speaker 2: but they're just not as they haven't been as headline
Speaker 2: worthy and so there's that. But then also watching it back,
Speaker 2: I found in the edit they've kind of really someone
Speaker 2: in there has gone right, let's pitch him as Ken
Speaker 2: who you know whose job is beach and so that's seen.
Speaker 2: That was a bit frustrating where they wouldn't really one.
Speaker 2: I knew they wouldn't show because they're focused on all
Speaker 2: the others two people who as the evening they're selling
Speaker 2: a lot more of them and their struggles doing the
Speaker 2: gaftical individual challenges and things. They weren't really showing me.
Speaker 2: There's so many sort of finish but that was it,
Speaker 2: and I wasn't. I was actually really mean to what
Speaker 2: someone might run back because I want to experience them again,
Speaker 2: but I just wasn't really going to sign. There was that,
Speaker 2: But then a lot of times when you just see me,
Speaker 2: they'd sew me in the background having a shower with
Speaker 2: my third off and not really involved in some of
Speaker 2: the conversations I were selling and I kind of looked
Speaker 2: like this liner in the background, and I'm like, that's
Speaker 2: not how it was at all. I was given chiropractic
Speaker 2: to people of last making jokes. I was supporting. But
Speaker 2: they never saw that until basically they started to show
Speaker 2: it on the final episode that there wasn't month before
Speaker 2: then my actually interrogation. But they came in because, you know,
Speaker 2: they have a bit of an idea beforehand. We have
Speaker 2: some meetings with producers and about different things, so they
Speaker 2: have an idea a little bit about background, and they've
Speaker 2: got stuff they need to point out. And you know,
Speaker 2: the des told me after that they were looking to
Speaker 2: They kind of came in at me hard rather than
Speaker 2: just what to say. They were looking for it on me,
Speaker 2: as they quoted, and they said, we literally couldn't find it.
Speaker 2: And you know, you just a genuinely nice guy. And
Speaker 2: you know, and I think part of in this everyone's
Speaker 2: looking big story and sometimes I'm like, isn't it enough
Speaker 2: to just be a nice guy who did wants to
Speaker 2: do well? You know, And that's my story.
Speaker 1: So it would have opened up and revealed more about
Speaker 1: there's a particular point in your career though, and it
Speaker 1: was when you were doing Neighbors and there was a
Speaker 1: lot of screwed in Carle and Jackie O brought up that,
Speaker 1: you know, your marriage was in trouble. You know, you've
Speaker 1: been separated from Anna for a period of time there,
Speaker 1: and there was so much media speculation and I think
Speaker 1: people I think at one point, and forgive me if
Speaker 1: this is not a headline that happened, but I remember
Speaker 1: someone saying it had like a bit of a mid
Speaker 1: life crisis or something. At some point, I thought that
Speaker 1: was going to be the sweet spot for what they
Speaker 1: were going to try and dig out of your make
Speaker 1: you confront And because you never dressed any of that
Speaker 1: when it all was going down, you know you kind
Speaker 1: of I mean you did leave Neighbors. Could they have
Speaker 1: delved a little bit deeper into what was going on
Speaker 1: in your life during that time?
Speaker 2: Maybe, But you know what, it wasn't that. The most
Speaker 2: of that was just bookhit headlines. And that's where I
Speaker 2: remember calm jack brought it up there like is this
Speaker 2: stuff real or is this not? And it was all
Speaker 2: tot of rubbish, So that really wasn't it was all
Speaker 2: it was all just it was all just bs really,
Speaker 2: so it wasn't an honest thing to go through. As
Speaker 2: far as the midlife crisis, yeah, a little bit. There
Speaker 2: was a little bit of that with because you know
Speaker 2: going through Yeah, like what am I like? You know,
Speaker 2: I'm working as an actor, but I haven't worked for
Speaker 2: you know, it's been a while now. There's some challenges
Speaker 2: with that because of my history has looks of different things.
Speaker 2: So there's there's my journey, but it's just not as
Speaker 2: we did delve into a lot of that stuff. But
Speaker 2: they've sort of pitched me in a certain way, and
Speaker 2: they've shown certain bits of my story and left certain
Speaker 2: bits out.
Speaker 1: So I think your story is still so fascinating and
Speaker 1: still open because so many people like yourself. I mean,
Speaker 1: you were a chiropractor, You're an everyday guy. I mean,
Speaker 1: a very good looking, handsome man of course, so accessible
Speaker 1: and so right to be the bachelor at that time
Speaker 1: of your life. But then you're on a TV show,
Speaker 1: you're now kind of a celebrity. Do you go back
Speaker 1: to being a chiropractor? And I'm not now talking about you,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about all the people that got reality television
Speaker 1: and then have this expectation they've got to still be
Speaker 1: in the media somehow, you know, wouldn't it have been
Speaker 1: good to unpack the pressures that you might have had
Speaker 1: after the Bachelor of a Crossroads? Do I now continue
Speaker 1: to push this life everybody?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: I think there's some really decent exploration of who we
Speaker 1: are once having that media exposure. Do we return to
Speaker 1: who we really are? Or do we try and chase
Speaker 1: something else?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they kind of they came in with that,
Speaker 2: but it was in a way instead of like, let's
Speaker 2: explore this, it was like, let's try and pull them
Speaker 2: down with this a bit. So they did a bit
Speaker 2: of oh, so you're just an actor. We freaking hate actors,
Speaker 2: you know, are you acting on this course that kind
Speaker 2: of thing? And oh, your reality starts you're just on
Speaker 2: the same So there was a bit of that, but
Speaker 2: that was pretty quickly squashed, and I think they've not
Speaker 2: used that, but it was it was kind of they
Speaker 2: sort of come came at that with trying to I
Speaker 2: try to suss out here for the right reasons, rather
Speaker 2: than actually, yeah, explore that, like you're saying, on that
Speaker 2: angle of thing.
Speaker 1: I think it would have been really fascinating. I think
Speaker 1: really missed opportunity because for you, how did that feel?
Speaker 1: I mean, at one point, you know, you're the most
Speaker 1: You're the pin up boy of Australia that first season
Speaker 1: that I mean the rebooted Bachelor that you did. When
Speaker 1: that season when The Bachelor came back on ten was
Speaker 1: just huge. It was massive, and you were everywhere after
Speaker 1: that show.
Speaker 2: And then what do you do?
Speaker 1: You're the guy that gets the girl and most stories
Speaker 1: we don't see what happens next.
Speaker 2: Well that's what. Yeah, so on the air, like I did,
Speaker 2: I've never like The Bachelor and stuff like that. We
Speaker 2: we felt this pressure to continue, like so many people
Speaker 2: invested in it. So he thought it a little bit
Speaker 2: through Instagram show where it goes. But I never thought
Speaker 2: this pressure to stay in the media as such. But
Speaker 2: I did actually enjoy some of the creative that I
Speaker 2: was working with. It was a good balance from you know,
Speaker 2: being in a clinic by myself with Patent and papin
Speaker 2: out and I started to enjoy some of that stuff.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I did a little bit more reality where
Speaker 2: I really want to go and what I love is
Speaker 2: is the acting world. And I guess frustrations over the
Speaker 2: time is here I'm always sort of put into that
Speaker 2: he's just a pretty boy. Probably his brand sicken and
Speaker 2: rice and broccoli, and there's not much steps to him.
Speaker 2: And liked in some of the episodes they tried to
Speaker 2: be like, you know, play on that intelligence. Well you
Speaker 2: think through intelligis you know, they're just having a crack
Speaker 2: at year. But like there was you know, I was
Speaker 2: painted a bit of that kindle and there's there is
Speaker 2: a lot more to me and and I guess there
Speaker 2: was a part of me that doing this, So there's
Speaker 2: a lot of personal stuff, but I guess from the
Speaker 2: public point of view, I was like, I actually like
Speaker 2: to throw the public a little more of who I
Speaker 2: really am, and this might be a show where I
Speaker 2: can do that.
Speaker 1: Well, I think it makes for more conversations, I mean,
Speaker 1: more reality for you, but then more opportunity for you
Speaker 1: to share and stead of peel the onion.
Speaker 2: Well now I think, you know, my reality TV days
Speaker 2: are over and I'm just focused on the reacting. Then
Speaker 2: I can be I can be vulnerable and open with
Speaker 2: my acting playing other characters.
Speaker 1: Of course, of course, now I've got to wrap this
Speaker 1: up really quickly, but everyone the dron the podcast gets
Speaker 1: asked this one question, what is something from behind the scenes,
Speaker 1: something from says that audiences won't see, but they might
Speaker 1: be interested to know with what it's like to make
Speaker 1: this show.
Speaker 2: The way they put the fear in you and that
Speaker 2: constant stress and anxiety is you throw something up, everyone
Speaker 2: else will suffer. So there's so many times where they's
Speaker 2: a beating or in between other bits where they'll make
Speaker 2: other people suffer because of one little thing that you've
Speaker 2: done wrong. That's how they put this constant fear in you,
Speaker 2: in this constant prospecting everything, because at the end of
Speaker 2: the day, you don't want to be the other one,
Speaker 2: putting the person responsible for putting other people through pain.
Speaker 2: But people like wouldn't you did laugh? And they pull
Speaker 2: off their head thing and they're all sitting there like
Speaker 2: wouldn't you did laugh? I'm like, no, they put the
Speaker 2: fear of God in you because they can do that
Speaker 2: because they will make everyone suffer.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, that's yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean I guess you've
Speaker 1: got to be in those positions to be able to
Speaker 1: understand it. Tim. I have really enjoyed talking to you,
Speaker 1: and I really do appreciate how open and honest you've
Speaker 1: been and the generosity with your time. So thank you
Speaker 1: so much. You know, I look forward to talking to
Speaker 1: you when you're when you're on your press tour for
Speaker 1: the next acting role.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Thanks, I I'm look forward to that as well.
Speaker 1: It will happen, so while I'm in your audience, taking
Speaker 1: care about it. Enjoy chadding to the meet see your buddy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks buddy. Yeah.