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Speaker 2: Good morning, good to be with you, Thanks so much.

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Speaker 1: For your time this morning. Now, Minister, we know that

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Speaker 1: Jim Charmer has presented that five point cost plan for

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Speaker 1: Well, and you know the federal government's been very has

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Speaker 2: If you can't get a trade out to your joint

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Speaker 2: at a decent priceis because we've really fallen off over

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Speaker 2: the last decade in training new tradees. So a big

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Speaker 2: boost in funding for TAFE so that we can boost

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Speaker 2: that productive capacity at the trades level.

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Speaker 1: In particular, Minister, how soon do you reckon that we

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Speaker 1: are going to see the effects or the impact of

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Speaker 1: those three points that you've just pointed.

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Speaker 2: Out to Yeah, so I should have mentioned the childcare stuff.

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Speaker 2: That's kind of one of the things that has an

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Speaker 2: immediate impact. I've got to say, because people, it's the

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Speaker 2: equivalent of releasing I think close to one hundred and

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Speaker 2: thirty thousand new workers just by the Affordable Childcare package. Immigration,

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Speaker 2: there's always a lag on it, so we push go

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Speaker 2: to day. You've probably got a six to twelve month plague.

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Speaker 2: The Pacific Islander Labor Mobility scheme comes online a lot quicker,

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Speaker 2: so you're talking months in both of those sort of programs.

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Speaker 2: The ability to pick up those sorts of programs, and

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Speaker 2: of course the trade stuff. We put a new apprentice

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Speaker 2: on the day, it's four years before they've got their ticket,

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Speaker 2: but you know it's four years whenever you start. We've

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Speaker 2: got to do it now.

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Speaker 1: Well, Minister, we have run out of time. We really

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Speaker 1: appreciate you taking the time to have a chat with

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Speaker 1: us this morning. Assistant Treasurer and also Minister for Financial Services,

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Speaker 1: Stephen Jones, thanks for having a chat with us this morning.

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Speaker 2: Great to be with you, Katie.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. You two