1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:06,279 Speaker 1: On today's show, Georgie Stevenson's unrelatable monthly trips, Chloe Morello's 2 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: permanent tooth jewelry, a nine months cruise takes TikTok by storm, 3 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: and a UK fitness influencer dishes the dirty details on 4 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:20,280 Speaker 1: a brand deal gone wrong. Hello and welcome to Outspoken. 5 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 1: It's your dose of the hottest influencer and pop culture 6 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 1: news twice a week. I am Sophie Torbert and I 7 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: cannot believe we are one sleep away from your wedding. Amy. 8 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:32,919 Speaker 1: Just to be transparent, we are recording this a few 9 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: days before because this week has been incredibly busy. There's 10 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: been a lot of things to do. We have had 11 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:40,840 Speaker 1: to recently stop you, Amy from making your own confetti 12 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 1: because you've got a few DIY elements. Well. I saw 13 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: someone making their own confetti a few weeks ago on 14 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: TikTok and I was like, do I spend one hundred 15 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: dollars on a bag of confetti or do I try 16 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: and make it myself. Now, a few days out from 17 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: the wedding, I feel like I made the wrong choice 18 00:00:56,560 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 1: by doing the DIY version. Where you went wrong is 19 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: that you bought a whole puncher that is too small, 20 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 1: so you have very cute miniature confetti going on. But 21 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: what you've realized is that it's not making confetti very quickly, 22 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:12,400 Speaker 1: so you're going to need a lot more little bits. 23 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: I do keep asking you, is that biodegradable, because most 24 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 1: venues make sure. But I think that you're saying, yeah, 25 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: the paper is recyclable, but when you buy a biodegradable confetti, 26 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: it actually disintegrates as soon as it touches water, so 27 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:26,960 Speaker 1: even if it touches your sweaty skin, it disintegrates. Me. 28 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 1: I don't think it's right. Okay, that is a marketing scam. 29 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: All tissue paper is biodegradable. I don't think that's going 30 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: to be very popular with the eco warriors out there. 31 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 1: I do not believe that it's funny because my venue 32 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: messaged me a couple of months out saying that we 33 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: weren't even allowed to use biodegradable confetti anymore, and we 34 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: had to use rose pedals. So I think a lot 35 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: of the venues are very big on it. You also 36 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: stressed me out because you're making the signage, but you're like, 37 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 1: I'm like, how much do you have to go? And 38 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: you're like, it's under control, and then you showed me 39 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: the paint to paint the back. So in the meantime, 40 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: Dale has realized I need some help, and he has 41 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: gone and painted the signs. So what color is it? Well, 42 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: one of the signs is going to be the color 43 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 1: of the bridesmaid's dresses. And I don't really care normally 44 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: about those details, but you guys have said to keep that, 45 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: keep it under wraps. I think it's nice to give 46 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,359 Speaker 1: people a surprise, a bit of excitement. Even though there's 47 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 1: a few odd jobs to do. You're pretty much organized, 48 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: and we're now at that really exciting bit where you 49 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: can actually start counting down. I'm looking forward to us 50 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: all checking in to accommodation on the coast and I 51 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: sitting back having some cheese platters. I actually feel like 52 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: an influencer because I've got so many appointments this week 53 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 1: that a year related to everyone's like when are we 54 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: getting your head and when you're getting your nails done? 55 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 1: When youre getting your hand done? Like I feel busy, 56 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: but not really such a busy week. I just want 57 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: to point out as well, my wedding is not a 58 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: DIY wedding. There were only a few small things that 59 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 1: I did because I was concerned, Like I actually wanted 60 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: to do a lot for the wedding, and years ago 61 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: you guys were like, do not do a diyst. People 62 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 1: do regret it. Most people do the DIY stuff like 63 00:02:57,760 --> 00:02:59,519 Speaker 1: months in advance. So then crash me up that you're like, 64 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: I saw this on TikTok a couple of weeks ago 65 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 1: with your confetti, Like, it's like, maybe if you had 66 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: done it six months ago is efense. She has a 67 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:10,079 Speaker 1: lot going on with the podcast and also full time business, 68 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 1: so I can understand where you're coming from. I think 69 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: it will all come together really nicely. I feel for 70 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: people planning weddings because I didn't realize what a big 71 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: job it is, and you know, when you are working 72 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: full time, it's fucking different. I did try and tell 73 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: you this last year. I think it's only once you're 74 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: in the midst of it, particularly the last week, where 75 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:31,799 Speaker 1: you're like, this is insane. The seating plan, Oh my god, 76 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: what an absolute head fuck that is. Yeah, that took 77 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: me a few goes to work out. It's almost like 78 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: you need some kind of degree in mathematics or something, 79 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: and wait, for the assholes that pull out the week 80 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: off and then they fuck your whole seating planner. The 81 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: other thing that's been stressing me out is the weather. 82 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: It seems to be weird all across Australia. It's so human. 83 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: On Saturday it was pissing with rain for pretty much 84 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: the whole day and I was thinking, oh my god, 85 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: these poor brides who have thought I'm going to have 86 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: a summer wedding. We were told it was going to 87 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: be a really hot summer and I'm disappointment. I don't 88 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: want to jinx it, but the weather is looking really 89 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: good for the weekend, so fingers crossed. It stays like that, 90 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: I regret it. Okay, every time I'm talking, someone's like, 91 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:17,359 Speaker 1: what is that? 92 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 2: It's a tooth gem. 93 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 1: As the daughter of a dental therapist, this story has 94 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 1: truly horrified me. Beauty influencer Chloe Morello recently opened up 95 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: about her permanent tooth gem. You might be wondering what 96 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: is a tooth gem? I swear that this was more 97 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: of a thing ten years ago. I twenty years. I 98 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 1: really hope that it's not making a comeback. So basically, 99 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 1: it's when you get a little fake diamond stuck on 100 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 1: your tooth, and don't ask me what possesses people to 101 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 1: do it, because, quite frankly, this looks so dumb. It 102 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: looks like you've got spinach or something stuck on your teeth, 103 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: and you're like looking at it to be like, did 104 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 1: I tell the person a glittery piece of finish? I 105 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: just got a flashback to year twelve when a girl 106 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: at our school got a little Playboy bunny stuck on 107 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:06,479 Speaker 1: her tooth. Man. Because it's not just the jewels that 108 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:09,359 Speaker 1: you can get, you can also get objects. I remember that, 109 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: and I couldn't stop looking at it every time she spoke, 110 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 1: because you're kind of like, is it going to fall off? 111 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: This is just my worst nightmare to get something like 112 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 1: this done. I wonder what happened when she took the 113 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 1: Playboy bunny off her tooth, if it left a stain, 114 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: like maybe everywhere else is a little bit more yellow. Yeah, 115 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 1: that happens sometimes when people get braces, and if they 116 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: drink a lot of soft drink, it can leave that 117 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:31,599 Speaker 1: sort of stain around the tooth. Well. Chloe explained that 118 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: she was at a party, presumably an influencer event, and 119 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: there was a pop up store offering free tooth gems. 120 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: At least she didn't get a tattoo. Here's what she said, 121 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 1: I need to address something. This it's permanent. I was 122 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: at a party and they were offering it, so I 123 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: took it because I'd had a few drinks. 124 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 2: Now I have this diamond stuck on my tooth. 125 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: I thought it would like a few weeks. I thought 126 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: it would just come off wile I'm eating, because that's 127 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: what a lot of people say. Six months later, might 128 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:09,359 Speaker 1: is still here now. Chloe said this was pretty rogue 129 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,039 Speaker 1: and out of character for her because she only has 130 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:15,280 Speaker 1: one set of ears. Peer She also doesn't have any tattoos, 131 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,159 Speaker 1: and she said she very much regrets it and doesn't 132 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: know who she was thinking that she was to get 133 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: this done. It's really interesting that she got this done 134 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: at an influencer event because it's quite clear that there 135 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: wasn't a whole lot of information about how long this 136 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: gem actually lasted on the tooth for I wonder if 137 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:34,359 Speaker 1: she could take it up with a company that did it, 138 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: or even the brand that she attended the event for. Well. 139 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 1: She showed herself trying to rip it off with tweezers, 140 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 1: but nothing would make it budge, and according to dentists, 141 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 1: these tooth gems can last anywhere between six months to 142 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: a year. I really did love reading the comments section 143 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: because there was a lot of hope in there and 144 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 1: some suggestions. So someone said, why don't you lift it 145 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: off with floss or get a dentist to polish it off. However, 146 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: Chloe said that she went in for a clean and 147 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 1: her dentists had no idea what the tooth gem was 148 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: and he told her to rebook because he didn't know 149 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 1: what to charge her or exactly how he was going 150 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: to get it off, so that probably didn't fill her 151 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: with a lot of hope. Actually makes me feel so 152 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: sick having something like that stuck to my too, makes 153 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: you feel like claustrophobic because can you imagine if you 154 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 1: had a big life event coming up, like a wedding 155 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: or even like a graduation or something, and there's nothing 156 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: you can do about this stupid little gem. It's a 157 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: quite good deinfluencing thing because I have been seeing these 158 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: gems pop up on TikTok and I would have presumed 159 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: it only lasted a little while, like probably not even 160 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: a day. So it's good that she has put this 161 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: story out there. I reckon because the early naughties about 162 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: this is why we're seeing a resurgence of this trend. 163 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: It's quite horrifying, because one girl wrote in the comments section, 164 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: it's permanent, alright, I've had mine on for ten years. 165 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 2: I cannot physically express to you how hot headed I 166 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 2: am about this whole situation, like I am raging, and 167 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 2: the reason why it gets me so mad is because 168 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 2: this is a that cames to empower women. I do 169 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 2: not play with that phrase. 170 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: A UK influencer has put an activewear brand on blast 171 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: after they allegedly didn't pay her in full. Natalie Barnett 172 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: was hired to promote Define, but claims the brand still 173 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: owes her for her work. Amy things are getting very 174 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: messy online. They are so Natalie has gone full rogue, 175 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: telling her followers all the dirty details of the brand 176 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: deal gone wrong and I am here for it. So 177 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 1: last week Natalie told her three hundred and fifty four 178 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: thousand followers that Define was the worst fitness brand she 179 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 1: has ever worked with in her six years of influencing. 180 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: She wrote, I filmed four tiktoks for the brand and 181 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: they refuse to pay me despite being tagged and generating 182 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: them over six five hundred pounds in sales. My point 183 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 1: of contact at define Oscar was disgustingly rude via email too. 184 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: You're building a brand to empower women, yet refuse to 185 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 1: pay them and speak down to the very people who 186 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 1: were doing way more to empower women. The disgusting, condescending 187 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: tone across email. I'll never ever work with such an 188 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: awful brand again. To my fitness influencer, girls don't even bother. 189 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: And to my followers, save your money and get the 190 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: same items on Ali Express. I don't play when it 191 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: comes to my craft and social media. You'll picked the 192 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: wrong one. She's clearly put the brand on blast here. 193 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 1: But I don't think it is really complimentary to her either, 194 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 1: because she talks about how crap the products are and 195 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 1: you could get the same thing on Ali Express. And 196 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 1: you hear a lot of influencers now push this rhetoric 197 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: that I only promote brands that I love, and I 198 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 1: feel like it's quite obvious that she just did this 199 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: one for the paycheck. A lot of people had a 200 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 1: very similar opinion to this. They were like, I feel 201 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 1: terrible that she's been screwed over by this brand. But 202 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:52,319 Speaker 1: you're talking about female empowerment. But then you're basically saying, oh, 203 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: I was happy to push this brand to my followers 204 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:58,439 Speaker 1: for well knowing that maybe the items were subpar. Well, 205 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 1: especially when she says here, I don't play when it 206 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 1: comes to my craft and social media. So this is 207 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: your craft. You're talking about this platform where you really 208 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: want to engage with your followers. They're not going to 209 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:11,439 Speaker 1: ever trust you now that the things you're promoting the 210 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: things that you actually genuinely would wear. Now, according to Natalie, 211 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: the brand wasn't happy with her content because she didn't 212 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 1: tag define in the caption of her TikTok, but she 213 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 1: said she had tagged them in the video instead. She 214 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 1: said she also offered to edit the post, but they 215 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: said no. It's interesting that those elements were being argued 216 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: over because normally, when you have a contract in place 217 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: with a brand, they will provide you with a brief 218 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: that really outlines all the prerequisites, including what you need 219 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 1: to tag. Normally that you then have to provide a 220 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: script for them to approve. So it is interesting that 221 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: those things weren't agreed upon before the post. Yeah, well, 222 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:50,679 Speaker 1: I hadn't actually heard of defined before, but they are 223 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: a UK based activewear brand and on socials they've got 224 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: around two hundred and twenty three thousand followers and the 225 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: activewear is quite pricey, so Tits will set you back 226 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 1: around one hundred Australian dollars. However, it does seem to 227 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: be a one man band, So the point of contact 228 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 1: that Natalie referenced is the brand's founder, Oscar and he 229 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 1: is the one who was running all of their influencer 230 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: activities and also all of their social media stuff. So 231 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 1: is he an influencer or he's just started up this 232 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: brand off his own back and managed to attract all 233 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 1: these followers because his marketing must be pretty good. His 234 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 1: marketing is good and it does rely on a lot 235 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: of micro influencers, so he's not an influencer himself. Well, 236 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 1: that's why it's so shocking that this whole thing has 237 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:34,439 Speaker 1: blown up, particularly if he has managed to get over 238 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: two hundred thousand followers without having an in bill audience already. Now, 239 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 1: following Natalie's Instagram stories, she said she was inundated with 240 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 1: other influencers, mainly micro influencers, who said they'd worked with 241 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 1: the brand and had a negative experience too. So things 242 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: then took a turn when Natalie's followers began questioning the 243 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: brand on social media, asking why they're not paying their influencers. 244 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: In response, defined when it's panic mode and began allegedly 245 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: sending out screenshots of a payment they made to Natalie. 246 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: They also told followers who DMed them that they would 247 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:11,839 Speaker 1: be posting the invoices online as they want to tell 248 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 1: the truth. I feel like this is a telltale sign 249 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: that the brand is solely run by this one guy, 250 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: because normally, if this happened to a big, established brand 251 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 1: that had teams around them, they would have a PR meeting, 252 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: there would be crisis talks on how to manage this. 253 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: But it seems very emotive from the brand's end. Definitely well. 254 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 1: Natalie jumped on her stories to debunk this. Let's have 255 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 1: a listen to what she had to say. 256 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 2: As now I'm absolutely fucking fuminya because defind up dms 257 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:42,079 Speaker 2: me and they're commenting and replying to people saying Nattie's 258 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 2: been paid, She's got the money. This is an email 259 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 2: I was sent on the nineteenth of December, a couple 260 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 2: weeks ago from Oscar himself. Hi, I'm sorry, but we 261 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 2: can only do one quarter or nothing. Guys, that shit 262 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 2: sounds like a threat. They're saying to me, Nannie, we're 263 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 2: only paying you one quarter of the money you're owed, 264 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 2: or you're going to get nothing at all. I was 265 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:04,439 Speaker 2: forced to accept one quarter. What the fuck is one 266 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 2: quarter when three quarters of the money that I should 267 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 2: be having is completely gone. They have not paid me. 268 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 2: Define is an absolutely disgusting brand, and anything they say 269 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 2: going forward from now is a lie. Because I've had 270 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 2: so many deals from other influences in the exact same 271 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 2: situation as me. I'm just the only one that will 272 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 2: speak up. 273 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: Define. 274 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 2: You've picked the wrong person. You guys are literally shaking 275 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 2: in your fucking boots because you know I'll ruin your reputation. 276 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 2: Don't ever lie on my name and say that you 277 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 2: paid me when I've got one quarter of what I. 278 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: Should be owned. Fuck. That's like massive in the influencer space, 279 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: particularly because you don't normally hear influencers talking about their paychecks. 280 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 1: And the fact that she is happy to call this 281 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 1: brand out. While I think it is good from an 282 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 1: audience perspective, I don't know how good this is going 283 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: to be for her moving forward if she wants to 284 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 1: work with other brands. The brand has been accused of 285 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: sending the invoice out, but it's not quite clear exactly 286 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: how much she was supposed to get paid for this campaign. 287 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 1: I think that if the true amount got out there, 288 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: and it was quite outrageous, this is where she would 289 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 1: lose some of the support that she's been receiving, especially 290 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: when she did point out that she brought in six 291 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:16,680 Speaker 1: five hundred pounds worth of sales, So if what she 292 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: was being paid really exceeded that, I think that that's 293 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: where she would lose a bit of public opinion and support. 294 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: But that's clearly what the brand was trying to do, 295 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: so they're completely in the wrong. Like this is private 296 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: information of hers that they're giving out to the public. 297 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: Can you imagine if one of the big brands here 298 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: in Australia did that, if Lorna Jane was sending out 299 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: private details. They're trying to go, oh, look, Natalie got 300 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 1: paid more than enough for this, even though they only 301 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 1: paid her one fourth of what they promised. Allegedly, Yeah, 302 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 1: it's actually not any of our business what she got paid. 303 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 1: That was an agreement between the influencer and the brand. 304 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: But they clearly did this to try and get the 305 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 1: public on their side, because no one feels sorry for influencers, 306 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: particularly because people see their job as very easy. Everyone's like, oh, well, 307 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: I could just spook a active wear line now. Natalie 308 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 1: then accused de Fine of breaching GDPR, which stands for 309 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: General Data Protection Regulation. Now. The GDPR is the toughest 310 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 1: privacy and security law in the world, and in this case, 311 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: it does appear that her personal data has been breached, 312 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 1: so it is going to be interesting to see what happens, 313 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 1: as Natalie has said that she is going to take 314 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 1: this matter further. Yeah, and she did finish off her 315 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: Instagram story by telling her followers if they buy from Define, 316 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: to be careful what sensitive information they take and share. 317 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 1: She said, if they can take my bank account name 318 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: and my finances, god knows what they could do with 319 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: your data when purchasing off their site. She then tag 320 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 1: Define and wrote I'm coming for you your finish. Wow. 321 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 1: You know when people say all publicity is good publicity, 322 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: I wonder if this has put Define more on the map, 323 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: because this is not good. No, no, no, I know 324 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: it's not good. Publicity must is the case of that 325 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: not being true. Some people might have stumbled across this 326 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 1: brand thought wow, their legings are quite nice, though I 327 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 1: don't know. I think they have not done any favors 328 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: for themselves. If anything, it's actually made me go and 329 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: follow Natalie because I loved how she was actually serving 330 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 1: this brand. Because Kate, as you mentioned, it's probably not 331 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 1: good for her as an influencer to be calling out 332 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 1: this brand because it will probably put off other brands 333 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 1: from working with her, But as a consumer of her content, 334 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: I think fucking good on you for sticking it to them. 335 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 1: They might actually cause some brands who are really proactive 336 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: to come forward and want to look like they're supporting 337 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 1: her by because people will say, oh, that brand must 338 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: be paying her. Correct, but they must be dotting the 339 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 1: eyes and crossing the teeth. I don't know. I think 340 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: this would still be wary because the fact that Natalie 341 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 1: did take the brand deal with this brand that she 342 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 1: seemingly doesn't really like their products, and then has proceeded 343 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 1: to shit can them and it appears she's taking legal action. 344 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 1: I do think a lot of brands would be avoiding her. Yeah, well, 345 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 1: as all good brands Do Define released a statement on 346 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:08,360 Speaker 1: their Instagram story, which of course disappeared after twenty four hours. 347 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:10,879 Speaker 1: In the statement, the brand claimed that they had paid 348 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:14,879 Speaker 1: Natalie in full, however, they couldn't confirm the specific details 349 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 1: for legal reasons. They went on to say it was 350 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 1: an error of judgment to share the account transaction and 351 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 1: that no private, non publicly listed information was published and 352 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: it was taken down immediately. What got me about this 353 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 1: statement was it actually contradicted itself because it says we 354 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 1: can confirm that no private, non publicly listed information was published, 355 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 1: but then it says this information was taken down immediately, 356 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 1: So did you publish it or did you not publish it? 357 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 1: They desperately need a PR team in this case. I mean, 358 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 1: the fact that it wasn't posted to their fee just 359 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 1: shows that they're not trying to avoid any conflict and 360 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,679 Speaker 1: take any responsibility for their actions. They just want this 361 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 1: to go away. Now. Understandably, Natalie wasn't happy with this 362 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: statement from Define. Let's have a listen to what she said. 363 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 2: Guys, I'm absolutely fucking fuming. You see Define, I promise 364 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 2: you I'm going to ruin this brand. Yeah, they've just 365 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 2: put an absolute bullshit statement on their story, which is false, 366 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 2: which is incorrect, and they have not taken responsibility for 367 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 2: fuck all. Yeah, this version that they put on their story, 368 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 2: they sent it to me and my manager like two 369 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:23,360 Speaker 2: hours ago. This statement is bullshit. Yeah, so we said 370 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 2: to them, Nah, we're gonna send you the amended version. 371 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:29,120 Speaker 2: Can you post the amended version twelve pm tomorrow on 372 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 2: your feed post so everyone can see it. They've ignored 373 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 2: our email and posted the unamended version. They've taken no responsibility, 374 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,679 Speaker 2: they lag on my fucking name, and they've still posted 375 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 2: this stupid ar statement. When I tell you, Oscar, you Define, 376 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 2: I'm coming for the whole entire brand. I absolutely assure 377 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 2: you your whole brand is going to be in the 378 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 2: fucking ground Binn at end of twenty twenty four. 379 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:56,160 Speaker 1: I feel like Define is definitely regretting allegedly not paying 380 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 1: her in full. I think it would have been a 381 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: lot easier if this is the case, and what Natalie 382 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:03,679 Speaker 1: saying is true, if they just paid her the money. Okay, 383 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:07,680 Speaker 1: so supposedly my twenty twenty four ins and outs are controversial, 384 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 1: but let's get into them. Golco's influencer and business owner 385 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: Georgie Stevenson is copying a mixed reception for a twenty 386 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 1: twenty four Inns and outs list. So this trend was 387 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:22,440 Speaker 1: super popular last year and I have seen a few 388 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:26,680 Speaker 1: influencers doing it again this year. Basically, an influencer will 389 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 1: make a prediction and then set some sort of intentions 390 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 1: for the new year. So Georgie's list started off pretty 391 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 1: tame by saying that she planned to set intentions this 392 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: year and read more fantasy books. However, it was the 393 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 1: final item on her list that receives some heat from followers, 394 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 1: so she said her in for this year is taking 395 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: monthly trips and then reiterated that this has changed her 396 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 1: world in twenty twenty three. So this is something that 397 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 1: she tried out last year and is bringing back for 398 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. Look, I would love to do monthly trips. 399 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: I think it is a fantastic eye for those who 400 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: can't afford it. But I can see how this might 401 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 1: have rubbed people up the wrong way with the cost 402 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:08,959 Speaker 1: of living crisis. Now news dot Com created a whole 403 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: story about this list, and they were saying that followers 404 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 1: were up in arms about it. But when I actually 405 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 1: went to the comments section. The majority of her followers 406 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:22,360 Speaker 1: were really supportive. It was only influence of Watchdog account 407 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:26,160 Speaker 1: keeping up with Ossie influencers who pointed out how out 408 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: of reach this felt for the average person. So the 409 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:32,399 Speaker 1: account wrote Georgie, I would love to have a monthly trip, 410 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 1: and there was only one other follower who wrote under 411 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 1: Georgie's post saying monthly trips laughing. My ass is that 412 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:41,439 Speaker 1: because it was moderated, do you think or do you 413 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: think that was actually reflective of the tone? Maybe because 414 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 1: people didn't read through the full list. May I mean, 415 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 1: it is a little bit out of touch, But I 416 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 1: don't think Georgie means that each month you've got to 417 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: take a trip overseas or anything like that. Yeah, but 418 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: I think even a trip for some people locally is 419 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:01,679 Speaker 1: very unattainable. We've got to remember, though, that Georgie Stevenson 420 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 1: is a very successful business woman. Anyone who follows her 421 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:08,640 Speaker 1: knows her life is not normal. She is very wealthy. 422 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 1: She has achieved all of these amazing things. I mean, 423 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 1: you have to look at her house. It's fucking incredible, 424 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,919 Speaker 1: and she's got this beautiful other property that she's that's 425 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: probably where she's taking all her trips. I mean, if 426 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:22,199 Speaker 1: the everyday person at a holiday house, they'd probably be 427 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: taking a monthly trip there too. This is the thing. 428 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,639 Speaker 1: There has been a lot of growing commentary around the 429 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 1: disparity between her lifestyle that she promotes online and the 430 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:34,159 Speaker 1: realities of what her audience has, and she did come 431 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: under fire recently for supposedly being out of touch because 432 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 1: she was accused of gloating about her new Porsche, which 433 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 1: she purchased for two hundred and fifty thousand dollars. However, 434 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 1: in my opinion, she isn't an influencer who is relatable 435 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 1: or who tries to be relatable. She is very much 436 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: in the motivational space. So she has a podcast which 437 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,679 Speaker 1: is motivational. She has classes where people can learn to 438 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 1: be more like her. Why people the classes, They want 439 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:03,400 Speaker 1: to manifest the life that she's got, so she's got 440 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:05,959 Speaker 1: to show it off. Yeah, yeah, that's the thing. In 441 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:09,639 Speaker 1: my opinion, her posting about her material success in the 442 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 1: form of her car and a house and her holidays, 443 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: it's why people do her courses, It's why people follow her. 444 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:16,479 Speaker 1: They see her life and they want to have a 445 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 1: slice of it. And her page isn't about being relatable, 446 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: it's about being aspiration. And also it's a little bit 447 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,879 Speaker 1: like Victoria Divine because she's coppted in the past. People 448 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 1: have said she's out of touch due to her success. 449 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: For me, I feel like it's a little bit different 450 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: when it's an influencer who has a business, like for example, 451 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 1: Victoria and Georgie both have successful businesses, so from a 452 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: branding perspective, I'm all in for seeing their successes. To me, 453 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: it hits different when it's an influencer who is only 454 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 1: getting paid money to promote a product, and its I 455 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 1: think your lifestyle, like why can't women be successful? Why 456 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: do we always have to tempt to speak With Victoria Divine, 457 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 1: it's because she provides financial advice. Then she does do 458 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 1: a lot of podcasts about the cost of living, and 459 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 1: she tries to late by sharing her money wins, and 460 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 1: when that is juxtapositioned against her being very wealthy and 461 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 1: spending a lot of money on home improvements and multiple properties, 462 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: I think that's why people like hang on It. It 463 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:15,959 Speaker 1: does feel a bit gendered though, Whenever women seem to 464 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 1: share about their financial success, they then cop a lot 465 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 1: of backlash and the kind of tone is that they're 466 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,679 Speaker 1: gloating and almost as though they're not worthy of it. 467 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: That's the thing that I don't like because we don't 468 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 1: see men criticized in the same way, for example, sharing 469 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 1: about their car or going on holidays. Well, there's a 470 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 1: whole genre of that on TikTok. I mean, we were 471 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,440 Speaker 1: talking about Mitch Thid last week and how there's that 472 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 1: business bro TikTok that is very popular amongst men. So 473 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 1: maybe as women we actually need to start celebrating other 474 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 1: people's successes rather than getting jealous about them and pulling 475 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 1: them down. 476 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:53,440 Speaker 3: Let me tell you something. If you're on that cruise, 477 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,920 Speaker 3: I now film everything because in a year from now, 478 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 3: when they become knocking and say hey, we're actually making 479 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 3: a documentary about that cruisy one on, they're going to 480 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:02,399 Speaker 3: want exlicit footage and you're going to be able to 481 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 3: sell it to them. You want to pay for your ticket, 482 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 3: That's how you do it. 483 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 1: A nine months cruise is going viral on TikTok and 484 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 1: turning its passengers into social media stars. The Royal Caribbean's 485 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 1: Ultimate World Cruise is being touted as an aquatic soap 486 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 1: opera with followers desperate to get a front row seat 487 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,679 Speaker 1: to what they think will turn into a seaside drama. 488 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 1: If this isn't in your TikTok algorithm yet, it soon 489 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 1: will be. This is everywhere. The hashtag Ultimate World Cruise 490 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,880 Speaker 1: already has over one hundred and fifty million views since 491 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,880 Speaker 1: the ship sets sail on the tenth of December. Now, 492 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 1: this trip spans for a whopping nine months, with passengers 493 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 1: traveling to sixty five countries and visiting eleven world wonders, 494 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,880 Speaker 1: and the cheapest ticket will set you back fifty nine 495 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,880 Speaker 1: thousand dollars per person, with the most expensive ticket costing 496 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 1: one hundred and seventeen thousand, five hundred and ninety nine dollars. 497 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,399 Speaker 1: That actually sounds like a lot, But say you got 498 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: rid of your house for nine months, and I'm assuming 499 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: it might be at all expenses paid with food with 500 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 1: the cost of living, that's probably not too bad. Well, 501 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,160 Speaker 1: imagine what you pay to be in a nursing home 502 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:13,159 Speaker 1: as well. Well. In terms of pricing for the cheapest ticket, 503 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 1: if you divide that number by the two hundred and 504 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 1: seventy four nights that you're on the cruise, it works 505 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 1: out to two hundred and thirty eight dollars a day, 506 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 1: which doesn't sound that unreasonable for a holiday, but when 507 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 1: it is a nine month holiday, that's where things do 508 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,159 Speaker 1: get a little bit more expensive. Yeah, but when you 509 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,399 Speaker 1: think about how much your food build is at the moment, 510 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,120 Speaker 1: maybe it's not too bad. Yeah, I've put it out there. 511 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 1: I have actually never been on a cruise. Our parents 512 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:41,400 Speaker 1: are quite avid cruise goers, and they will tell you 513 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 1: that there is a loyalty system involved, which some people 514 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 1: on TikTok don't seem to understand. It's sort of similar 515 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,959 Speaker 1: to airlines and hotels. So the more you cruise, the 516 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,679 Speaker 1: more points you earn, and you get moved into different 517 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:57,439 Speaker 1: membership levels. So on this cruise ship, the top dogs 518 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 1: are called the Pinnacle members. So those members have better rooms, 519 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 1: they have access to better experiences, and they get invited 520 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,400 Speaker 1: to the important cruise ship meetings that other guests aren't. 521 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 1: Privy two and some parts of the internet are really 522 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,640 Speaker 1: shocked by this revelation, and they've even labeled it as 523 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 1: creating a class divide. Have they seen Titanic? Yeah? I know, 524 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but this is how a loyalty system works. 525 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 1: The more that you spend with a brand, the more 526 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: you get from them. So you need to know how 527 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 1: to wangle the system, and you need to understand that, yes, 528 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 1: these people who have been cruising for twenty years with 529 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,679 Speaker 1: this company are going to be well, my uses are 530 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 1: cruising cruising that's a good term for people, like cruising 531 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 1: to have sex, which is crazy, really, what we're cruising 532 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: to have sex? I've never heard of that. I just 533 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 1: thought she sounded like an avid cruiser. Yeah, it is 534 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 1: a word amy that they use on this cruise ship. See. 535 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,120 Speaker 1: I kind of can see where people are coming from 536 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 1: because you have to pay top dollar to be a 537 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 1: part of that group. If it was just purely based 538 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,119 Speaker 1: on a loyalty system of who had been there the longest, 539 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 1: then I don't mind that as per se. Now, the 540 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:09,680 Speaker 1: general public, they have become absolutely fascinated by this cruise 541 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 1: ship because they have so many questions, and one is 542 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:17,400 Speaker 1: about the hefty ticket prices and how everyday people, especially 543 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 1: the younger passengers, can actually afford these tickets. So one 544 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 1: passenger called Angie, whose following has grown to one hundred 545 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 1: and seventy thousand followers since she set sail, so she 546 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,919 Speaker 1: had no TikTok following Before this, she explained that she 547 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 1: could only afford the trip because of inheritance that she 548 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 1: received after both of her parents passed away from cancer 549 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 1: in their sixties and she's only thirty seven, and after 550 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,919 Speaker 1: they passed away, she had a genetics test done and 551 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 1: she found out that she had an increased risk of 552 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 1: developing an aggressive form of cancer as well. So she 553 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 1: and her brother made the decision to enjoy their lives 554 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 1: and the inheritance while they could. So she has really 555 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,680 Speaker 1: resonated with the people on TikTok. Her room to it 556 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 1: I already had five million views and it's really opened 557 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 1: the door for other passengers to take followers. Behind the 558 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 1: scenes is becoming very popular on the ship, so people, 559 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 1: as I said, are doing room tours. They're also doing 560 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 1: daily vlogs and Q and a's as well as dropping 561 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 1: cruise gossip. So many are really seeing this cruise on 562 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: TikTok as a reality show, and people are banking on 563 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 1: the fact that they think that shit is going to 564 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 1: hit the fan, that there's going to be fights. I 565 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,399 Speaker 1: do have to point out though, that this cruise is 566 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 1: not being filmed at all. The only cameras on board 567 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 1: this ship are phone cameras with passengers choosing to start 568 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 1: up accounts and share their experience. Do you think there's 569 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 1: going to be a lot of people hooking up on this, 570 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 1: well one creator, because creators are also taking off merely 571 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 1: for just having reactions to these people's videos. So one 572 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 1: creator called Kara, who has three hundred and forty eight 573 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 1: thousand followers, she created the Ultimate World Cruise bingo card 574 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 1: and this has gone off online. So she has predicted 575 00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 1: that there will be mass illnesses including STDs, stomach bugs, 576 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 1: and of course a COVID breakout. She also amy thinks 577 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 1: that there's going to be romances with possibly someone getting 578 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 1: married and also someone, as she said, getting knocked up 579 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 1: on the cruise and potentially giving birth on the ship. 580 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,720 Speaker 1: It kind of sounds like Below Deck, yeah, except maybe 581 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 1: more of a budget thing because on Below Deck they 582 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: are all absolute millionaires that are going on there. But 583 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 1: this seems to be a mixture of people. It does 584 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 1: seem to be a bit of a rebrand for the 585 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 1: cruise because back in twenty twenty, I never thought that 586 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 1: people would ever go back on a cruise ship after 587 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 1: the disasters of COVID. That is such a good point. 588 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 1: Going back to these predictions, though, she also said that 589 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 1: the next biggest travel influencer will be made on this trip, 590 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: with brands looking to start sponsoring passengers as this cruise 591 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 1: goes on, and one really clever marketing manager over their 592 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 1: Christmas break has already seen the huge potential in this. 593 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 1: So two weeks into the cruise, they made the decision 594 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 1: to send in TikToker Mark Sebastian, and this came off 595 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 1: the of a viral TikTok video where he demanded to 596 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 1: be put on board to cause drama. Let's throw to 597 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 1: what he said. 598 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 3: Put cameras on that goddamn cruz. Put cameras on that 599 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 3: ship right now. What do you mean there's a town 600 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 3: hall people aren't being invited to. It's a cruise. What 601 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 3: do you mean that the Pinnacle members are being treated differently? 602 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 3: There's a cast system being formed. You haven't even been 603 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 3: on there for two weeks. It's so haunted. There's gonna 604 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 3: be mutiny, There's gonna be blood. Someone is going overboard. 605 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 3: I want to watch Bravo. Where are you? I need eyes. 606 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 3: We're witnessing Fire Festival Alabama Rush and no one is 607 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 3: rushing there. 608 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 2: Put me in. 609 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 3: Alternately, put me on the cruise. I'll go. If you 610 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 3: pay for one section, I will go. I will cause chaos, 611 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 3: I will rehab it, and I'll record everything. 612 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 1: Can you imagine all the oldies who've signed up for 613 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 1: these cruise and they've probly got no idea they're not 614 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 1: on TikTok. They're probably like, who is this wine kid 615 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 1: that's coming to you? Can I ask, so, is this 616 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 1: like the people all set for the nine months and 617 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 1: no one can come in or go out. I mean, 618 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 1: obviously they've had this intruder style person come in, But 619 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 1: is there any way to get on this cruise ship 620 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 1: if you're not a TikTok celebrity. Well, there are over 621 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 1: two thousand everyday people who are just on this cruise ship, 622 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 1: and out of them, you can either opt to do 623 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 1: the full nine months, or there are different segments that 624 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,240 Speaker 1: you can do, so you can just do the American 625 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,240 Speaker 1: part or the europe part. But I think the minimum 626 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 1: days is around fifty days on this trip. This new influencer, 627 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 1: he's only doing a very short leg of it. So 628 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 1: I am intrigued to see whether more brands are going 629 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 1: to send more influencers in It's interesting because those who 630 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 1: are on TikTok, they've already formed this sort of click, 631 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 1: and the ship is now buying into it because they're 632 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,480 Speaker 1: inviting the people who now have a TikTok following to 633 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 1: go to special experiences that they're holding. So they recently 634 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:54,040 Speaker 1: did this sushi event, so they're obviously cashing in on 635 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 1: the fact that now their passengers have a following. It's 636 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 1: all very clever. It's ironic that these TikTokers started getting 637 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 1: relevant because they were complaining about what they saw as 638 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 1: a class system on the ship, and now they're top 639 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 1: dogs on the ship. Well, that was only a few 640 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: people complaining about the class system. I think that others 641 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,200 Speaker 1: saw it as an opportunity to get their own following 642 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 1: by doing Q and as I have done some of 643 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 1: the heavy lifting, and I have combined some of the 644 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 1: burning cruise questions that you might have now. A lot 645 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 1: of questions were centered around food and drink because a 646 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 1: lot of the time on cruise ships, guests get a 647 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 1: sat amount of drinks, but on this cruise ship the 648 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 1: drinks are unlimited. Is that all the dramas happening? Yeah, 649 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 1: but there are some parameters around it, so it has 650 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 1: to be you know, the stock standard beer and wine brands. 651 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 1: And also you can only have a cocktail that's worth 652 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,200 Speaker 1: up to sixteen dollars, so I mean it's not a 653 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 1: cheap drinks that are free. Majority of the food is 654 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 1: also included, except for a few specialty restaurants on board, 655 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 1: which also offer passengers discounts. In terms of luggage, apparently 656 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:58,200 Speaker 1: they get six bags to bring on, so six suitcases, 657 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 1: but one of the suitcases has to be completely empty 658 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 1: so if they pick up things along the way. Also, 659 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 1: the food is on a twenty eight day calendar so 660 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 1: that the diners don't get bored. And this would be 661 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 1: really dangerous for me because apparently they have all these 662 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 1: pop up pastries and hot drinks at these cafes that 663 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,959 Speaker 1: are constantly free as well. They always joke that people 664 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 1: indulge way too much on a cruise when it's for 665 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 1: like a couple of weeks, But can you imagine coming 666 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,480 Speaker 1: off a nine month cruise with all of these unlimited 667 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 1: food and drinks. Well, it hasn't been all smooth sailing though, 668 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 1: with the Ultimate World Cruise already experiencing its first proper 669 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 1: soap opera moment when videos of the cabin's flooding started 670 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 1: going viral on TikTok So. In the vision, carpeted floors 671 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 1: were flooded and large amounts of water was coming from 672 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,240 Speaker 1: the outside of the deck into the ship, with some 673 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 1: passengers having to be moved from their rooms. Now, the 674 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 1: Royal Caribbean released a statement downplaying it, saying they experience 675 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,400 Speaker 1: heavy wind and rain and that one set of elevators 676 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 1: and six rooms were impacted by the rain. But the 677 00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,480 Speaker 1: team on board is managing the minor cleanup and elevate 678 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 1: it prepares that's not what it looked like on TikTok 679 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 1: Everyone was comparing this to the Titanic, thinking that this 680 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 1: ship was going down. God, wouldn't that be a turn 681 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,799 Speaker 1: of events. I mean, hopefully nothing untoward happens to any 682 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:14,799 Speaker 1: of the passengers on the cruise ship. Let's hope it's 683 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 1: a safe cruise. But this seems to be a very 684 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 1: evolving story. How many months are we into the nine months? Well, 685 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 1: they left on the tenth of December. We're only a 686 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 1: couple of weeks in. These people are going to have 687 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,000 Speaker 1: the largest social media follows. I actually can't believe how 688 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 1: many people are interested in this cruise ship drama. Well, 689 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 1: they're going to have to keep the drama going because, yeah, 690 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,239 Speaker 1: people are going to drop off eventually. Now, Sophie, I 691 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 1: think you're ready to book a cruise. You're so into 692 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,279 Speaker 1: the story. Maybe for my honeymoon. Maybe you'll see me 693 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 1: just purely for TikTok followers jumping on. Well that is 694 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,839 Speaker 1: all we've got time for. Thanks for listening to another 695 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,439 Speaker 1: episode of Outspoken. Now, if you do like the show, 696 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,520 Speaker 1: we would really appreciate it if you could leave us 697 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 1: a five star review. This episode was recorded on the 698 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 1: traditional land of the Ghana people of the Adelaide Planes. 699 00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,960 Speaker 1: We pay respect to elders, pass and present, and goodlie tomorrow, Amy. 700 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 1: I am so excited. I can't believe you're finally tying 701 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,200 Speaker 1: to not I feel like there's a lot of listeners 702 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 1: who feel like our engagements have been going on for 703 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 1: quite a while. Now has been almost two years. Sorry everybody. 704 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:11,799 Speaker 1: I feel like we haven't even asked you. Are you 705 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:18,880 Speaker 1: taking your partner's last name? Um? Undecided? I mean, are 706 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,280 Speaker 1: they going to do the entry welcome mister and missus 707 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 1: spaway Humphrey. Well, actually, the other day of package arrived 708 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,480 Speaker 1: and it said to Amy and Dale Torber and I 709 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 1: have a nice ring to it, so just wait and see. 710 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,000 Speaker 1: Maybe we'll surprise everyone after my wedding and it'll be 711 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:38,880 Speaker 1: like welcome to Outspoken with Kate Turner, Sophie Hancock and 712 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,239 Speaker 1: Amy Spurway Humphreys. Everyone be like, who the fuck is that? 713 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,280 Speaker 1: It's a bit of a mouthful