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Speaker 1: Job mission with Jones and Amanda. Oh.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Brendon likes to talk about married at first sight.

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Speaker 2: But if you'd like to watch something that's a little

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Speaker 2: bit different, I've got something great to recommend tomorrow tonight.

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Speaker 2: It's called and it will ask you to consider hypothetical

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Speaker 2: scenarios like what if science offered you another fifty years

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Speaker 2: of life starting tomorrow? What if childbirth no longer required

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Speaker 2: a womb? What if you couldn't lie without being found out?

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Speaker 2: That's us out of a job.

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Speaker 3: I would I get all these three options at once.

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Speaker 2: It's overwhelming, isn't it. One of the hosts is Annabel

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Speaker 2: Krab to help us a ponder these thoughts with a

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Speaker 2: variety of panel of people. The show starts again tonight

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Speaker 2: on the ABC, but she joins us now, Annabel Crab.

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Speaker 4: Hello, hello, and good morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Now you're fresh from the budget. Is it a giant

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Speaker 2: sweetener to get them re elected or is there some

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Speaker 2: juicy stuff in there for us all.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure it's a massive coincidence that there is huge

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Speaker 4: infrastructure spending in relevant seats and money in our pockets

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Speaker 4: right our and twenty cents off at the petual Bowser

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Speaker 4: what are the change incidents?

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Speaker 3: What are the chances?

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Speaker 2: So tell us about tomorrow tonight, what are some of

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Speaker 2: the scenarios and what are we going to have to

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Speaker 2: use our brains to think about because you are tackling

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Speaker 2: the future in the modern world.

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Speaker 4: Look, yes, and it's a bold time to be ignoring

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Speaker 4: the nightmares of today and taking a glimpse of the

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Speaker 4: nightmares of tomorrow. And I will say that the show

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Speaker 4: is less terrifying than it sounds. It's actually quite funny.

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Speaker 4: But what we're doing is looking at the sort of

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Speaker 4: moral conundrums that rapid technical technological advances make possible. So

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Speaker 4: tonight's episode, for instance, is about like what happens when

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Speaker 4: deep fakes. You know how you can fake up videos

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Speaker 4: hundreds of images of people that you can collect on

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Speaker 4: the internet. If you're a very smart sort of technological person,

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Speaker 4: you can paste together videos of people saying what do

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Speaker 4: you want them to say? And at the moment they're

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Speaker 4: sort of a bit clunky, but very soon going to

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Speaker 4: be indistinguishable from reality. So me and Charlie Pickering and

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Speaker 4: Adam Leal, who are the permanent kind of panelists on

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Speaker 4: this show, drag into extras in this case Hamish Blake

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Speaker 4: and Minnie Steins, and we just put them through their

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Speaker 4: paces as to like what they think are the consequences

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Speaker 4: of these technologies. And the fun thing about this show

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Speaker 4: is that often people start off with an opinion that

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Speaker 4: they think they have about how much they care about

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Speaker 4: X or y, and then over the course of the show,

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Speaker 4: when you start presenting them with facts and insights, they

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Speaker 4: start to change. And it's a really interesting thing to watch.

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Speaker 4: And some of the other ones that you mentioned, like,

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Speaker 4: you know, giving birth without a womb sounds ridiculous, but

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Speaker 4: did you know in the States, they've actually already perfected

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Speaker 4: a sort of bag that they can incubate a lamb

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Speaker 4: it a baby sheep, right, and they can grow this

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Speaker 4: sheep to birth kind of state in this bag full

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Speaker 4: of amniotic field fluid. Basically now sounds like science fiction,

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Speaker 4: but it's real and it's not inconceivable that we'll get

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Speaker 4: to excuse the pun, grow baby.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but I guess also, this is the stuff

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Speaker 2: of our modern world.

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Speaker 4: It's the ethics of it.

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Speaker 3: Just because you can do it, should we do it exactly?

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Speaker 4: That is a really really important question. And we do

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Speaker 4: an episode online for instance, you know, humans have tried

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Speaker 4: to invent lie detectors, but they're not all that kind

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Speaker 4: of they're not all that accurate. But if we could

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Speaker 4: make a lie detector that was absolutely accurate, would we

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Speaker 4: actually use it? And I think this is a classic

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Speaker 4: case of our panels starting off thinking, well, even though

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Speaker 4: ies are bad, you know, we shouldn't tell lives. It'd

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Speaker 4: be good if we'd had a way of detecting lies.

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Speaker 4: But over the course of the show, we actually realize

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Speaker 4: that lies are a really important part of out the

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Speaker 4: way our society works, and actually sometimes we don't want

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Speaker 4: to know accurate what other people think of them exactly.

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Speaker 3: I like to think of his candy coating it, so

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Speaker 3: I don't lie necessarily.

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Speaker 2: I candy coats, but sometimes there's a lot more candy

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Speaker 3: Well, sometimes you're in a lot more candy on the coating,

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Speaker 3: as it were.

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Speaker 4: And my colleague Charlie Pickering actually reveals in that show

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Speaker 4: that he has been an obsessive liar in the past

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Speaker 4: and he's actually trying now to do radical truth telling,

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Speaker 4: which I haven't really noticed that.

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Speaker 1: His manner but likes about though, is we've got people

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Speaker 1: that you recognize on it but often you find out

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Speaker 1: things about them that you really did not know, and

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Speaker 1: also you put them in weird positions and.

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Speaker 4: Circumstances, like Hamish Blake Tonight having to imagine what would

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Speaker 4: happen if a deep fake sex video surfaced of himself

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Speaker 4: with somebody else. How you had just discussed this with

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Speaker 4: his wife.

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Speaker 3: Wow, wasn't Hamer? She had bits of lego in there?

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Speaker 3: That a scene very painfully well, this sounds great. Season

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Speaker 3: two of Tomorrow Tonight starts tonight at nine on ABC

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Speaker 3: and ABC I view. I can't tell a lie, but

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Speaker 3: I will be watching it. How much candies involved? Ada,

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Speaker 3: Bill Crap? Thank you, very nice to talk to you.

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Speaker 4: Annabelle Jonesy and Amanda's Jamnation