1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: It is safe to say the morale of the police 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 1: force has been high on the agenda in recent weeks, 3 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:09,040 Speaker 1: with a survey by the Police Association outlining some pretty 4 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: serious concerns. Now, we spoke to the Minister for Police 5 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: on Wednesday, who said that a full financial review of 6 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 1: the force was taking place along with the structural review. 7 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:22,319 Speaker 1: She said that a full restructure of the force was 8 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: on the table. Now joining me in the studio is 9 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: the Northern Territory Police Commissioner and also CEO of Fire 10 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: and Emergency Services, Jamie Chalker. 11 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Commissioner. 12 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 1: Now Commissioner, the recent survey of one thy forty four 13 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: police officers, the highest number of participants that a Northern 14 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: Territory Police Union survey has ever seen, revealed seventy nine 15 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 1: point seven percent of surveyed officers do not have confidence 16 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 1: in you. 17 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 2: What was your reaction to that result? 18 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 3: It was an unexpected, Codie, given the period of time 19 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:00,279 Speaker 3: that we've had. If you look at the totel, we've 20 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 3: got a strength of about sixteen hundred and thirty police officers, 21 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:04,960 Speaker 3: so those results, when you look at it, really a 22 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 3: closer to fifty percent have expressed that no confidence nearly 23 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 3: fifty percent either didn't participate, and that was one of 24 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 3: the clear messages that the NTPA president provided to people 25 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 3: is he knew that people didn't agree with it, and 26 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 3: a number voted that they do have confidence. So there's 27 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:23,199 Speaker 3: a balance in that. But look, the issue of morale, 28 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 3: we know and we spoke about it that you and 29 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 3: the move was going to be front and center of that. 30 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:29,320 Speaker 3: That's exactly how it played out. But what was also 31 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 3: very prominent in that survey was the result of the 32 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 3: wage policy, and that was a very overwhelming message and 33 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 3: all of those linked to the morale. There's no doubt 34 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 3: hour people did enormous heavy lifting over the last two 35 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 3: and a half years, certainly in the COVID response, and 36 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 3: all the while, because we were so successful in allowing 37 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 3: the territory to have the freedoms it had, we were 38 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 3: still dealing with the highly pressurized environment as we ordinarily 39 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 3: do in our social setting. So they've been working there 40 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 3: absolute tales off in the best interests of the territory, 41 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 3: and then when they aim forward for that wage policy, 42 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 3: that was clearly something that they felt aggrieved, and certainly 43 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 3: when I met with delegates that that was the key 44 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 3: prominent conversation and the first topic that. 45 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:12,079 Speaker 1: Was raised with me, Well, Commisha, I get what you're 46 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: saying that obviously not everybody from within the Northern Territory 47 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 1: Police Force has taken part, and you said that, you know, 48 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: it's probably more like fifty percent. Even taking that into account, 49 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:24,079 Speaker 1: that must still be a concern for you that fifty 50 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: percent of the rank and file don't feel that they've 51 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: got confidence in you. 52 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 3: It's a question of what the messaging is going out. 53 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 3: And unfortunately, and people know this, I'm very limited in 54 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:35,839 Speaker 3: what I can say, and that still remains the case 55 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 3: of the day the coronial commences on Monday. That's been 56 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 3: the subject of much reporting, certainly a lot of social 57 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 3: media opinion and commentary, much of it inaccurate. I know 58 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 3: Paul spoke the other day about some of the inaccuracies 59 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 3: that have been going on with some other things more recently. 60 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 3: So it's very difficult to be able to overcome a 61 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 3: lot of that rumor, unfortunately, and the rarely is we 62 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,519 Speaker 3: know this to be the case that there are people 63 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 3: who are also joined into that who have been impacted 64 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 3: by the COVID mandates and have felt highly aggrieved by 65 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:07,639 Speaker 3: those things, So there's a it's a significant pressurized environment. 66 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 3: But against the backdrop of what we're trying to do, 67 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:11,799 Speaker 3: we know the cronial is going to be a tough 68 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 3: road for us, for our community. We already know that 69 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 3: we've got our support and wellbeing response plans well and 70 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:19,359 Speaker 3: truly in place to try and cover that off. We've 71 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 3: got offices being targeted by social media campaigns, which is 72 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 3: pretty poor behavior. To be upfront. All they are doing 73 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 3: is doing their job and doing what they're obliged to 74 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:30,359 Speaker 3: do as part of a process that they've been caught 75 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 3: up in. 76 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, look, I'll go back to that in just a moment. 77 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: I do just want to stick with the survey for 78 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: a second. Ninety two percent of those respondents did say 79 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: that they do not think that there is enough police 80 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: officers in the Northern Territory to carry out the work 81 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: that's expected of them, while seventy nine point four percent 82 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: rated morale in the force as low or very low. 83 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 1: And there is also the issue of the wage freeze 84 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: Commissioner taking those numbers into account and that lack of 85 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: confidence in you, Why do you still think that you're 86 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 1: the best place to lead the. 87 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 3: Force, Because We've never faced greater challenges that have been 88 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 3: outside the control of a Commissioner of Police, and the 89 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 3: actions that we've got in place, the things we've sent 90 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 3: our strategies for give us a clear direction where we're going. 91 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 3: If you look back at what has been achieved, look 92 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 3: at what we did with COVID. Now. I was front 93 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 3: and center in the leadership response to COVID and people 94 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 3: have drawn their own opinion on that, and arguably I 95 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 3: think the Northern Territory was held in extremely good stead 96 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:28,679 Speaker 3: and many are commenting on the fact that we probably 97 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 3: led the nation, if not the world, in our response. 98 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 3: We played a strong part in that. More importantly, the 99 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 3: Health and well Being review. I commenced that in November 100 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 3: of last year. Unfortunately, we had a number of tragedies 101 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 3: that flowed from that. But the families that I've been 102 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 3: engaged with appreciate the work we're doing. They know what 103 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 3: we're trying to do in that space. I've spoken in 104 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 3: estimates about our future direction in that space, our disciplinary system. 105 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 3: I've been at pains for the last two and a 106 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 3: half years to get progress in that space. I've now 107 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:58,479 Speaker 3: gone to the extent of having external review appointed at 108 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 3: commander from Victoria Police to do that work. He'll provide 109 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 3: that report hopefully, hopefully to me by the end of September. 110 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 3: I want our support and well being work weaved into 111 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 3: our disciplinary system and performance management system. The challenge with 112 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 3: our disciplinary system is our appeals process. We've got three 113 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 3: chairs and unfortunately we haven't been able to get them 114 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 3: through as many of these matters. So some of those 115 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 3: matters are two years in time, and all of that 116 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 3: impacts people. 117 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 2: Why is it taking so long? 118 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: I mean you've just said there are those three chairs, 119 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 1: but two years, I mean that's a phenomenal amount of 120 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: time for somebody to put their life on hold. 121 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 3: Our chairs put their hands up. They all run their 122 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 3: own legal practices. Their availability is the crucial part of that. 123 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 3: We're trying to expand that growth. But unfortunately the established 124 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 3: legislative sitting fees are nowhere near commetriate to what they 125 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 3: could ordinarily. 126 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:45,840 Speaker 2: So does it need to change? Does that need to 127 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 2: go in play? 128 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 3: And it's brought a part of that review. 129 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 2: How quickly do you think that that's going to come 130 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:50,840 Speaker 2: into action. 131 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 3: I'm waiting on advice of whether it requires legislative reform 132 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 3: or whether there's a means that we can have that 133 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 3: done without legislation, if it's legislative reform. Unfortunately, you know 134 00:05:58,760 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 3: that's going to. 135 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 2: Be timely, Commissioner, we do know as well. 136 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: According to that Police Association survey, many comments in that 137 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: survey pointed to the charging of Constable Zachary Rolf as 138 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 1: the reason for a lack of. 139 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 2: Confidence and low morale. 140 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:15,160 Speaker 1: Are you comfortable with the way that the police investigation 141 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 1: into his charging was handled? 142 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 3: So, Katie, there's a coronial coming up that's going to 143 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 3: be covered as part of that. Equally, there's the Ikak 144 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 3: inquiry that we're participating with. Again, I'll leave it for 145 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 3: those things. What I can say to you is there's 146 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:29,840 Speaker 3: an awful lot of mistruths out there. People have taken 147 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 3: them to be true and they're not. They're based on 148 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 3: opinion and they're not based on fact. 149 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 1: I've got to ask, was there interference by you or 150 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: any other members of the police executive before he was charged? 151 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: There was no interference from me, and you're confident that 152 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:45,679 Speaker 1: as these processes go through. 153 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 2: What about other members of the executive? 154 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 3: Well, not that I'm privy to, so I certainly have 155 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 3: no indication that that's the case. 156 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 1: But from your perspective, not with you correct? Okay. There 157 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 1: has been reports that Zachary Rolf is back at work 158 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 1: but isn't allowed to enter any police stations. 159 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 2: Is that the case? 160 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 3: And why I can't comment on individuals, Katie, You'll appreciate 161 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 3: that he's entitled his privacy as well. I can confirm 162 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 3: that zach is. 163 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 1: Back at work, all right, but you won't go into 164 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: whether he know okay, I mean is it impossible for 165 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: him to be able to do his job though if 166 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: he can't go into a police station. 167 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 3: Not from what I understand of the work that he's doing. 168 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 2: I do want to move on. 169 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: There has been calls this week for a select committee 170 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: into the police force by the opposition and one independent. 171 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: We've then got a situation where the Member for Blaine, 172 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:37,239 Speaker 1: Mark Turner, thinks that there needs to be a step 173 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: further and has written to the Prime Minister calling for 174 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: a Royal commission. 175 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 2: Do you think there needs. 176 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:46,239 Speaker 1: To be an independent look into the Northern Territory Police Force? 177 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 3: No? I don't. We've got lots of activities going on, 178 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 3: looking at out staffing, the work that we're doing with treasury, 179 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 3: which has been something that will ultimately inform Cabinet around 180 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 3: the funding model for police. But it's also the Police 181 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 3: Foreign I managed services challenge here is that I'm not 182 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 3: aware of a budget being met by police foreign emergency 183 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 3: services for many, many many years, like decades long. The 184 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 3: challenges we run a twenty four to seven business that 185 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 3: is very difficult for us to predict how we respond 186 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 3: to that. What is going on across the country, and 187 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 3: this is what I've been briefing up regularly is that 188 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 3: Queensland Police, for example, twenty five hundred extra police by 189 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:25,239 Speaker 3: twenty twenty five, Western Australia Police fifteen hundred extra police. 190 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 3: A number of other jurisdictions have all got significant increases 191 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 3: in police. We've had an increase of seventy five police 192 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 3: auxiliaries who are licensing inspectors from twenty sixteen seventeen, and 193 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 3: we've had twenty one additional police through our regional remote 194 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 3: model proved only this recent budget outcome, and thirty four 195 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 3: aboriginally aison officers. So that's the space that we're trying 196 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 3: to highlight, is that there's been much change in the 197 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 3: crime environment and the social order response obligations on us 198 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 3: mental health and these are the challenges we need to 199 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 3: understand within our budget. 200 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: Well, and the thing is a lot of people listening 201 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: are going to be thinking. And I know that the 202 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: Productivity Commission report came out as well and pointed to 203 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: just that that there has been a greater investment into 204 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: the Northern Territory Police Force and that there's more police. 205 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: But everyone's asking where are they. 206 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 3: Well, they're out and about the problem is that not 207 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 3: everybody's going to see them on the front line. Unfortunately, 208 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 3: we've had significant numbers and I've spoken about this previously 209 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 3: of assaults. The assaults have increased. That then sees a 210 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 3: whole lot of police officers off the road dealing with 211 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 3: those family and domestic violence related matters. The incident that 212 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 3: occurred at Uncle Sam's in the recent days, that's a 213 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 3: mix of alcohol and also mental health in that game, 214 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 3: and that takes police off the road when they have 215 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 3: to respond to those types of matters. The demand environment 216 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 3: for us has been significant, but you've got police who 217 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 3: are out there also dealing with child sex offenses. You've 218 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 3: looked at excellent work the police are doing. We're seeing 219 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 3: crimes being reported and look how frequently we're putting out 220 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 3: responses and media releases about the arrest we're making. We 221 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 3: are making significant arrests. The jails are full, both adult 222 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 3: and juvenile. They've never had more people in us rated. 223 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 3: Those people don't turn up and knock on the door 224 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 3: to go in there. They're getting in there because of 225 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 3: the excellent work of our police officers. But the demand 226 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,599 Speaker 3: environment is strong. What we're starting to see now is 227 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 3: a balance. But please also appreciate we too were impacted 228 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 3: by COVID. Fifty five officers off per day at various 229 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,199 Speaker 3: points in time. Plus I had a reclieve liability of 230 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 3: all those that were caught up in COVID response, one 231 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 3: hundred and forty police during COVID taken away limited sick leave, 232 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 3: limited rec leeve being able to be made available. We've 233 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 3: got an obligation for support and well being, and that's 234 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 3: what we've been trying. 235 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 1: So is there a situation at the moment then where 236 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: you've got a bucket load of people that are on 237 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:35,679 Speaker 1: leave that can now finally go on leave. 238 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 3: We're starting well, we've been trying to get people exposed 239 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 3: to leave from the start of this year. But of course, 240 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 3: you know, the third wave of COVID certainly impacted, and 241 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 3: I would say that they haven't impacted everyone. We talk 242 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 3: about attrition, we're actually not in the top three or 243 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 3: four agencies in the Northern Territory alone with attrition rates 244 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 3: as high, actually lower than theirs. But of course everybody 245 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 3: is interested in police because we are all things to 246 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 3: all people, and we will continue to be so. And 247 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 3: the victim of crime surveys we have overwhelmingly tell us 248 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 3: the support for our people is exceptional. They're doing great work. 249 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: The thing, though, that we can't sort of go past, 250 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: is the fact that that survey did say that the 251 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:16,679 Speaker 1: police feel as though there is not enough of them. 252 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: The rank and file officers feel as though there's not 253 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: enough of them to be able to do the job 254 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:24,680 Speaker 1: that's being asked of them by the community or that's 255 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: expected of them by the community. 256 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:28,319 Speaker 2: So do we have enough police? 257 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 3: That's the body of work that I've been strongly advocating for, 258 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 3: and that's why I was very welcoming of the work 259 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 3: that we're going to do with Treasury. I've continually to 260 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 3: raise the fact that the Productivity Commission basis that we've 261 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 3: got more police per capita than anywhere else doesn't actually 262 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 3: understand the complexity of our operating environment. If you do 263 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 3: it by per square kilometer, we've got the lowest number 264 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,199 Speaker 3: of police per square kilometer for our jurisdiction than any 265 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 3: other jurisdiction. We have the highest number of complexities. Our 266 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 3: offender rates are the highest in the country. Our victimization 267 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 3: rates are the highest in the country. The number of 268 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 3: people who are incarcerated are the highest in the country, 269 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 3: the people who are on remand as I say, our 270 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 3: jails are full. That is the workload that we've got. 271 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 3: The productivity Commission work. Unfortunately, when it goes purely on 272 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 3: a per capita doesn't appreciate all the complexities that we face. 273 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:13,719 Speaker 3: And that's a very real challenge for us now. 274 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: The Police Minister, when she was on the show earlier 275 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 1: in the week that said that she wants to see 276 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 1: more boots on the ground and that she's made that 277 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 1: very clear to you. Are you guys on the same 278 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: page here, correct, We've. 279 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 3: Been working towards that. But the complexity year is when 280 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 3: we've got people who are unable to be deployed, we've 281 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:30,679 Speaker 3: got to do further work. When I first came back 282 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 3: in in twenty nineteen, I think we had over one 283 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 3: hundred and fifty odd people who are unfit for duty. 284 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 3: We've got that down to one hundred and twenty. We've 285 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 3: managed to get our work environment up for our constables, 286 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 3: so we've got pretty much our regional remote areas and 287 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 3: our bush stations populated, which has been something we've struggled 288 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 3: with for decades. But the pressure point has arrived in 289 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 3: Darwin now and we're trying to surge some additional resources. 290 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:53,559 Speaker 3: So nineteen of our new graduating constables are currently now 291 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 3: based in Darwin. There's another group that will likely have 292 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 3: at least sixteen or so graduate by November. And we're 293 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 3: trying to encourage more people to look at the return 294 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 3: of service back to Darwen because we've unfortunately been to 295 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 3: a degree victims of our own success with the regional 296 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 3: remote model because they haven't been choosing to come back 297 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:11,679 Speaker 3: into Darwin. The other thing is we've got more people 298 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:13,199 Speaker 3: starting to come back to us who have left the 299 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 3: agency and that's encouraging. 300 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:17,559 Speaker 1: Okay, Now, the Minister for Police also said that there 301 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 1: is She said obviously there's that full financial review, but 302 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 1: also a structural review into the force. Now she's not 303 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 1: ruled out a restructure of the force. What do you 304 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:30,679 Speaker 1: think that you know that that review into the structure 305 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: is going to find. 306 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 3: So the focus of the review will look at a 307 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 3: policing model, but also our foreign emergency services model within 308 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:40,439 Speaker 3: the budget that's available. Part of what we've been able 309 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:42,079 Speaker 3: to include in the terms of reference is what the 310 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 3: jurisdictional comparison is because there has been various growth in 311 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 3: many many crime types, cybersecurity, cybercrime, frauds, all of those 312 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 3: things are becoming far more prominent issue motivated groups. You've 313 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:56,479 Speaker 3: seen that across the country, the move to right wing extrememism. 314 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 3: There's all of these things that are front and center 315 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 3: now in the Northern Territory that we ordinarily might not 316 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 3: have been funded for. So we've got to have those 317 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 3: conversations about what is the role that you want police 318 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 3: specifically to do, what's the role you want fire to 319 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 3: do in emergency services. That may well then be an 320 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 3: outcome of that review to determine if we need to 321 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 3: go down the pathway of full restructures. 322 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: So the truth is nothing is actually who is actually 323 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 1: conducting that review. 324 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 3: So we're going to have an independent consultant that will 325 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 3: work with the under Treasurer, myself and three other CEOs 326 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 3: from across INTI government. 327 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 2: Who chooses who that consultant is, that's. 328 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 3: Through treasury, that's going out for release and advertising. 329 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: You've said there that you know that it's true, that 330 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: it's not ruling out that there could be a restructure. 331 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 1: I mean, do you think that that's going to see 332 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: change to the upper echelon of the police force? 333 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 3: No, I don't. I think what we're talking about is 334 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 3: what the demand environment is. If you look at where 335 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 3: we've been, we've done a lot of work on our 336 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 3: regional remote model, but unfortunately we've had to hold that 337 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 3: in draft because the NT Remote Aboriginal Investment again got 338 00:14:57,480 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 3: rolled over for a further two years just prior to 339 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 3: the last federal election. That's or no quantum increase, and 340 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 3: in fact, what that will see for us is a 341 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 3: continuing diminishment of our funding for that model because our 342 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 3: wage parameters and growth still continues to occur. The money 343 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 3: that we've received since twenty sixteen seventeen, about seventy percent 344 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 3: of that has just been our existing business need top up. 345 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 1: So it sounds as though you're confident that as both 346 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: of those reviews take place, both the financial review and 347 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 1: also the structural review that you will find or that 348 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 1: they will find that what is going on currently with 349 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: the Northern Territory Police Force is exactly how it should be, 350 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 1: despite the fact that those survey results are pointing to 351 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: something very different. 352 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 3: What I'm saying is that it will give us the 353 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 3: great level of insight to support or be able to 354 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 3: have further conversation about the resource challenge. There is no 355 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 3: doubt that many of our police officers feel we need 356 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 3: more resources. Our Pally model for example, and other springs. 357 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 3: We know we've got vacancies there and we've got to 358 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 3: have constables there to be able to provide those gaps. 359 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 3: But trying to attract people to be hillaries when ultimately 360 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 3: they want to become constables is a challenge. And we've 361 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 3: been trying to demonstrate to people that if you come 362 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 3: in as an auxiliary, it can be a pathway for 363 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 3: you and that's proven successful to become a constable. So 364 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 3: that works going on. But I think, as you know, 365 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 3: the great resignation phenomenon that's been going on, one in 366 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 3: five people are talking about changing jobs and moving on. 367 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 3: We're staying under that twenty percent model. 368 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 2: I've got to be honest. 369 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: It sort of feels as though I did say this 370 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: to the Chief Minister as well, and I'll say the 371 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: same thing to you. It feels as though these, you know, 372 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 1: the results of this survey are pointing to one thing. 373 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 1: And then you know, we're sort of hearing all the 374 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 1: right things from you and from the Chief Minister and 375 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 1: from the Police Minister. But you know, there's still people 376 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 1: out there that are part of the rank and file 377 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: of the police force that don't feel confident that their 378 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: voices are actually being heard. 379 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 3: And that's conversation I had with my commission officers, the 380 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 3: superintendents and above in the leadership forum that we had 381 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 3: in the start of August. I'm trying to ask them, 382 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 3: where are these gaps that e rosterring. I think you've 383 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 3: heard me speak about it before. We finally got that approved. 384 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 3: So the acting CEO DCDD has been driving that for me. 385 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 3: I've been ringing him incessantly, so I know he's very 386 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 3: happy that that's finally been settled. The team have now 387 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 3: started that work. We hope by the start of the 388 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 3: new year we can start rolling out that modeling. But 389 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 3: that's something I've been driving for over two and a 390 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 3: half years, but unfortunately through the procurement pathway, it hasn't 391 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 3: come as quickly as I would have liked it to come. 392 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 3: But if you step back and look at everything we're doing, 393 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 3: and this is what we've been highlighting. We've got the 394 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:29,919 Speaker 3: support and wellbeing review work and that's underway. We've got 395 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 3: two new chaplains that are coming on board. We've got 396 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 3: crowding an honorary chaplaincy service is going to be far 397 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 3: more health and well being support in there. We're working 398 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 3: on the budget submission for that to grow and be ongoing. 399 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 3: We've got five pychs on board who are working very 400 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:45,439 Speaker 3: very actively. We're trying to create a greater environment for 401 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 3: external syche so there's all that support in place. We're 402 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 3: doing a significant amount of work in there. We use 403 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:54,160 Speaker 3: the multipurpose facility for a welcome event for recruits. More 404 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 3: recently we had an UAK event there yesterday that was 405 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 3: really a successful event. We're promoting the things we're doing 406 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 3: mental health training, first aid, our promotional systems not being 407 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 3: more healthy. We've got many many people applying to go. 408 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 3: What we need to keep focusing on is how do 409 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 3: we get as many of our people back to work, 410 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:13,120 Speaker 3: and now that we're not in a wave of COVID, 411 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 3: we're starting to see that return. And with the people 412 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:17,640 Speaker 3: we're generating into Darwin as well, we can start balancing 413 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 3: Darwen up. 414 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 2: Commissioner. 415 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 1: If all of that work is happening, and it has 416 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 1: been working over the last couple of years, why then 417 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 1: do you feel as though you've seen the results that 418 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: you've seen in that survey and that those officers don't 419 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 1: have confidence in you? 420 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 3: Because there's been a lot of fortunate white noise that 421 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 3: people have had to pick up on. It's generated conversations 422 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 3: across the board. You've seen it yourself, Katie. A lot 423 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 3: of the commentary that's out there and it's not necessarily 424 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 3: based in fact, and we've had a great challenge of 425 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 3: being able to counteract that. I've had to be limited 426 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 3: in my ability to come out and speak and that's 427 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 3: been on the advice of our legal teams as it 428 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 3: relates to the various processes that are in place. And 429 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 3: the truth of it is, when I have made comment, 430 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 3: it's tended to be a lightning rod for some of 431 00:18:57,480 --> 00:18:59,439 Speaker 3: those hate pages, and they are hate pages. 432 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 2: I want to ask you as well. We've seen that. 433 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 1: You know, while all of this is going on, last week, 434 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 1: we then also learned there was a high level police 435 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 1: officer who was charged. 436 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 2: We also know that there. 437 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 1: Was another arrested, another served a notice to a peer. 438 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 1: I believe in total that there was four officers over 439 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 1: a very short. 440 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 2: Period of time. 441 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:23,399 Speaker 1: Do you think that that situation points to a bigger 442 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 1: problem within the force? 443 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 3: No, I think it was just a point in time 444 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 3: that unfortunately, the various people who hold the office of 445 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 3: Constable with what they're charged to do, those duties came 446 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:35,919 Speaker 3: before them. They are investigations that they had initiated and 447 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:38,399 Speaker 3: or had been referred to them. They had them ongoing, 448 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 3: and that's how the resolution came. 449 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: Disappointed that this has happened, I think across. 450 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:44,880 Speaker 3: The agency there's a lot of people who are very 451 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 3: surprised and disappointed about the behaviors that have come to 452 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 3: the forum that have been alleged. It's really disappointing. It's 453 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 3: far wide reaching. There's many people affected by these things, 454 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 3: as there is always the case when someone that you 455 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:03,360 Speaker 3: work with under this area. But again, the community confidence 456 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 3: has to be there. Look at what these detectives have 457 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 3: been doing. 458 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, I do want to talk about that 459 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 1: community confidence because it is one of the biggest things 460 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:13,159 Speaker 1: that gets raised with us. People understand that the police 461 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,959 Speaker 1: are working really bloody hard, you know, they know that 462 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 1: there is so much happening out there in the community. 463 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:20,919 Speaker 1: Though when it comes to crime. You touched on it 464 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 1: just a couple of moments ago, you know, the vision 465 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:25,680 Speaker 1: that we've seen from Uncle Sam's over the last couple 466 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 1: of days. 467 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 2: We've got a serious issue. 468 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 1: At the moment when it comes to anti So I 469 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 1: don't even know if anti social behavior is honestly the 470 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:36,479 Speaker 1: right word, because it's totally unacceptable behavior some of what 471 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:38,880 Speaker 1: we're seeing. In addition to that, some of the youth 472 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 1: crime that we've seen, particularly around the Casarina area. Firstly, 473 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:46,719 Speaker 1: what immediate action is happening in this space. 474 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 3: Well, again, we've been pushing and the minister's certainly driving 475 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:53,400 Speaker 3: this as well. Around that anti social behavior isn't purely 476 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 3: a police response. We know we play a very strong 477 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 3: role in that and we've been very active in it, 478 00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:59,640 Speaker 3: but we've managed to see a diminishment in the number 479 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 3: of people who are certainly sleeping rough through Darwin. There's 480 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 3: current activity going on in Ola Springs as well. The 481 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,879 Speaker 3: Minister was down there more recently and again challenge some 482 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 3: of those ansiderary liquor licenses as to what their contribution 483 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 3: to the problem was. That's the type of work that 484 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 3: we've been advocating for many, many years. We want to 485 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:18,479 Speaker 3: make sure that there is a whole of government approach 486 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 3: to this. But also our in GOO sector are well 487 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:23,239 Speaker 3: and truly activated. The team in Darwin Travis has been 488 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 3: out here speaking to you very regularly. You know the 489 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 3: work that they're doing in their space, it's highly activated. 490 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 3: Our Trident team are working extremely well. Our unlawful entries 491 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 3: are platauing relatively well, certainly not from the highs where 492 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 3: we used to see twenty plus a day from a 493 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 3: decade plus ago. But the problem is everybody who gets 494 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:45,880 Speaker 3: impacted by crime feels it. What's added to it by 495 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 3: now is that the social media perpetuates that crime type. 496 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, but look, the thing is it's a difficult one 497 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,159 Speaker 1: because you've even got a situation where you've got the 498 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 1: likes of a grandmar who we'd spoken to a bit 499 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 1: over a week ago, who's you know, thirteen year old 500 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 1: autistic grants. I'm allegedly belted at the bus exchange. So 501 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: while there might be that increase in terms of what 502 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 1: we see on social media, it's really poor behavior, it. 503 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 3: Is, and that grandmother was full of praise of the 504 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 3: responding police. They've followed up at least three times with 505 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 3: her and that victim. That was a disgusting act. There's 506 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:21,479 Speaker 3: no way to dress that up. But the police acted 507 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 3: very very quickly. They rounded up that group very very quickly. 508 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:26,879 Speaker 3: There's a whole raft of other agencies that sit in 509 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 3: behind that that can do certain things. And that's the 510 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,880 Speaker 3: work that the minister's certainly driving. Because we've been saying 511 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 3: we need this help. 512 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:34,120 Speaker 2: Do they need to step up? 513 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 3: They are stepping up. That's the thing that we're starting 514 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,679 Speaker 3: to see. But this is an enormous social challenge. And 515 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 3: as I talk about, you know, the NT remote Aboriginal 516 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 3: Investment only being rolled over for a further two years 517 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,120 Speaker 3: hasn't set us for the certainty that we need. We've 518 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 3: not been able to progress when there's so many of 519 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 3: these challenges. What errors, you know, has had some uncertain 520 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 3: times collectively as a whole of government, lots of meetings 521 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 3: out there, a lot of engagement, a lot more return 522 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 3: to country work going on, and things are starting to stabilize. 523 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 3: There a lot of work happening with the housing, so 524 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 3: agencies are now stepping up. That's appreciated work from us, 525 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 3: and that's going to help turn the tide. 526 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 2: Commissioner, we are out of time. I do want to 527 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:14,199 Speaker 2: ask you. 528 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,400 Speaker 1: I know right now it is clear that there are 529 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 1: some really serious issues and serious concerns from a large 530 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: number of Northern Territory police. How are you not only 531 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: going to turn that morale around, but also regain the 532 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: confidence of the rank and file officers. 533 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 3: Again, We're going to focus on our communication within our workplace, 534 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:34,919 Speaker 3: with our offices. We've got a heavy focus on our 535 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 3: support and well being to make sure people come to 536 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 3: the fore We know the next period for this coronial 537 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,400 Speaker 3: is going to have some bumps in the road, that's foreseeable. 538 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 3: We're trying to make sure that we get everybody through 539 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,159 Speaker 3: that as much as we can and ensure that that 540 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 3: sets the direction for the agency going forward, because again, 541 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 3: that will critique everything that occurred prior to my return here, 542 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:55,440 Speaker 3: and that's what we've got to work on. But we've 543 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,159 Speaker 3: got many things in place. Look at all the areas 544 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 3: that were of concern, We've already got them in place. 545 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 3: The disciplinary system, reviews in place, Support and well being 546 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,200 Speaker 3: work is already well and truly advanced and down the road. 547 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 3: We're actively trying to make sure that our resourcing is 548 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 3: being pointed to the right place and we're getting those 549 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 3: resources where they need to be. It's busy work, it's heavy. 550 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 1: Work, but we will turn and commissioner, are you staying put? 551 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 1: Are you going to stay in your role? 552 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:19,160 Speaker 3: I am. 553 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 1: We are going to have to leave it there. Thank 554 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,399 Speaker 1: you very much for your time this morning. I appreciate it. 555 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 3: Thanks Coatie.