1 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: Coming up on today's show, a Sydney woman is charged 2 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:08,800 Speaker 1: after pretending. 3 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 2: To be a doctor. 4 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: On TikTok has Olivia Rodgers reunited with her old flame 5 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 1: Sarah's Day's holiday Blunder, and is book talk turning reading 6 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 1: into a competitive sport. Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's 7 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: your dose of the hottest influencer and pop culture news 8 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: twice a week. I'm Sophie Torbert, and I always love 9 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 1: hearing what people's weird food combos are. Usually they've grown 10 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: up eating it so they don't even realize it's weird 11 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:37,559 Speaker 1: until someone points it out. Yeah, people's parents have a 12 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: lot to answer for with this one. Well, this week, 13 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: Anna Paul has shared her interesting breakfast combo. 14 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 2: Let's throw to what she said. 15 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 3: Okay, so I go straight to the bread section. I 16 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 3: skip the chocolate fountain as tempting as it looks, and 17 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 3: I toast that shit. Okay. Then I get Apricot jam, which, 18 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 3: by the way, it is the best jam ever. When 19 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 3: you're young, like the Bury ones are the best, and 20 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 3: then when you mature you realize you're wrong and Apricott 21 00:00:59,920 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 3: is the best gem flavor. And then you put egg 22 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 3: yolk on there trust me, I made everybody taste my 23 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 3: favorite combination, and they were all jealous, even though they 24 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 3: got steak and they got that good breakfast. Trust me. 25 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 2: Egg yolk on apricot jem hit. 26 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 1: This made me feel so ill because I'm not a 27 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: big egg person, particularly runny egg yolks. I think the 28 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: egg yolk is the best part, but I don't know 29 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 1: how well it goes with apricot jam. A friend of 30 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 1: mine swears by toes with apricot jam and a piece 31 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: of pineapple on top. 32 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 2: I don't know how I feel about that. 33 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 1: In regards to egg, I feel like I really have 34 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: to psych myself up to eat egg, because once I 35 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: get a whiff of cooked egg on a plate, it 36 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 1: just sends me over there. We apparently have very sensitive noses, 37 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: because if an egg has been anywhere near any of 38 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: like the washing up, I can smell it on glasses 39 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: and plates. Yeah, Ole Dale, he loves having egg on pizza. 40 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 1: So if we go out to a rest and he'll say, yeah, 41 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: can you have an egg yolk on the pizza, Yeah, 42 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: that grosses me out. I do agree with Anna on 43 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: the terms of apricot jam being the number one jam 44 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 1: I have loved it for a long time. 45 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 2: I think we should try it and Apoul's weird food Combo. 46 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 2: I think we should. 47 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: Also put a thread in the group asking for people 48 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: to share their family food combos, because I feel like 49 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: every family has an unusual one, and if you want 50 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: to see us testing them out, make sure you are 51 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 1: following out spoken on TikTok and on Instagram. 52 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 2: Double two is like you can maybe go somewhere that's 53 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:23,839 Speaker 2: a little bit more established. 54 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:27,399 Speaker 1: We're at least not embarrassed about how we look. There's 55 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:29,519 Speaker 1: something going viral in Korea that I want to talk 56 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: to you guys about. So it's a rating scale of 57 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: the different levels of getting ready for an event. So 58 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:37,359 Speaker 1: it's the perfect way that you can ensure with your 59 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:39,679 Speaker 1: friends that you've got to meet up and there's not 60 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: a huge discrepancy about what you're wearing. 61 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 2: Because we do this. 62 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: Quite often when we're catching up with friends. I'll put 63 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: the message in the group and say, what's the vibe tonight? 64 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 2: Is it active where? 65 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: Which that might sound shocking to people living in Sydney 66 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 1: and Melbourne, but quite often, if you're going out to 67 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: just a sort of takeaway store or you know, kind 68 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,239 Speaker 1: of a crummy restaurant, dumpy restaurant, restaurant you can get. 69 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:02,519 Speaker 2: Away with wearing active work. 70 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, this rating scale has four different levels. So 71 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: the first level is a completely bare face with no 72 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 1: makeup and trackies. And with this level you literally have 73 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:16,519 Speaker 1: put no effort in. Essentially you could have rolled out 74 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: of bed and the TikToker advised that this is usually 75 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:21,239 Speaker 1: a sort of catch up when you're just getting a 76 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: quick coffee, but you're not staying around for a while. 77 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: You're literally heading home as soon as you finish your coffee. 78 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 1: I think this level is only really for very close friends, 79 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 1: like your best friend. For me personally, I would never 80 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: wear this level if I was going and meeting with 81 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 1: someone new or someone i'd only hung out with a 82 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: few times. I feel like sunglasses are a necessity for 83 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: this level as well. 84 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 2: Oh you say this. 85 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 1: We put up with a friend over the weekend and 86 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: you'd had a late night and you rocked up. Literally 87 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: it looked like you're wearing a disguise. You're wearing one 88 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: of those two black puffy jackets with I don't rate 89 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 1: your glasses no offense, but these like dark glasses and 90 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: a black hat. 91 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 2: I was like, are you going to take them off inside? 92 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: Well, I had huge bags onto my eye I think. 93 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 2: Anyway, before you guys break out into a fight. 94 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: The second level is that you add concealer and you 95 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: put on a pair of nicer trackies, maybe even activewear, 96 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: and in this instance, you are allowed to go somewhere 97 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: more established because it's not completely. 98 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 2: Embarrassing how you look. Now. 99 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: Level three is putting enough makeup on and picking a 100 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: decent outfit that you would actually be happy to appear 101 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: in an Instagram story. So let me stress you wouldn't 102 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:30,159 Speaker 1: share the picture on your feed, but it's okay to'll 103 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: be on the story for twenty four hours. I love 104 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:35,679 Speaker 1: that different classification for me. I feel like our level 105 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 1: three is messaging a friend saying, are you putting on 106 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:39,479 Speaker 1: jeans and a nice top? Yeah? 107 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 2: Really? 108 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 3: Yeah? 109 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 2: I agree. 110 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: Level four is your top level and this is where 111 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: your makeup and outfit are on point. It is described 112 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: as you are going to slay, and this is a 113 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 1: time when you are going out purposely to take photos 114 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 1: for your Instagram feed. Side note, I hate the use 115 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 1: of the word sleigh. I think it is becoming so 116 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: overused and I think it is easy to identify if 117 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 1: someone is a gen Zetter or a millennial by the 118 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 1: use of. 119 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:05,239 Speaker 2: The word sligh. 120 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why I chose to quote it rather than 121 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:09,280 Speaker 1: putting it in my own words, because if I said, oh, 122 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:11,280 Speaker 1: this is when your outfit as a sligh, I think 123 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 1: people would know that's not really me. I can't remember 124 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 1: the last time I've been at a Level four, if 125 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: I'm being honest, I think since COVID. 126 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 2: For COVID, yeah, I feel like. 127 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: Since COVID, not many people are going to the level 128 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 1: four unless you're actually going to, say a wedding or 129 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 1: a birthday party. 130 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. 131 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 1: For me, a level four would only be a very 132 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 1: formal event. And I feel like a lot of people's 133 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: posting habits on social media have changed since the pandemic, 134 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: because really, I'm only posting now if I've got full makeup, 135 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: I've got hair extensions in, and I'm wearing something nice, which. 136 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 2: You're terrible on my feet, do you know what's terrible? 137 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: Though? Sometimes I feel worse when i'm a Level four 138 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 1: because I'm like, this is the best I can look, 139 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:49,919 Speaker 1: and then you get the photos back and you're still 140 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:52,559 Speaker 1: not happy with it. Yeah, or when you're a level 141 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 1: four and You've gone to all of this effort and 142 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: you go out somewhere and you don't even get a photo. Yeah, 143 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 1: oh that kills me because I'm like, I actually nice, 144 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: I put some effort in. 145 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 2: I generally go. 146 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: About my day to day business as a level two, 147 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:08,840 Speaker 1: so I'm not someone that likes to be seen without 148 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 1: makeup on. So I could never go out as a 149 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: level one. That's just my own personal insecurity. But these 150 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 1: days I can't get out of my active wear, Like 151 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: I will literally wear leggings to a restaurant and try 152 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: and dress it up with a coat or a woolen. 153 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 2: Think your theory is that no one when you're sitting 154 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 2: down can see your legs, which is getting terrible. It's 155 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 2: i mean, the zoom theory. Okay, even I put jeans. 156 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: Onto, but I like wearing jeans at a restaurant because 157 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 1: you're eating. I don't like to have, you know, tightness around. 158 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 1: The Thing that shit about jeans at the moment is 159 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: they're so oversized that it's really difficult to find out 160 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: what shoes you're gonna wear, particularly in winter when you're 161 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: like I don't want to have bare feet, or I 162 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 1: have a lot of oversized jumpers like the Woolen jumpers, 163 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: which are nice, but they don't look good with my 164 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 1: baggy jeans. What level is it that when you're at 165 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 1: a restaurant wearing jeans and it is feeling a bit tight, 166 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:58,720 Speaker 1: so you unbuckle the top button. 167 00:06:58,760 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 2: What level would you say that? 168 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 1: Well, I think that's you're giving up on life. 169 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:03,039 Speaker 2: I've seen that's a thing. 170 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: I think people get their hair tied and they extend it. 171 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 2: I think that's what people do materially. 172 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 1: That's very sad amy because you often do that at 173 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: a restaurant. God, these people are probably getting this hideous 174 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: view of us at restaurants. I actually do make a 175 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: bit of an effort when I go out. I don't 176 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: think that's sad at all, because I think that is 177 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: just a reflection on women's fashion, because I never see 178 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: men having to do that, and I think it's because 179 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: women's jeans are so uncomfortable. It's funny I was thinking 180 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: about that. Then there really isn't much variation in levels 181 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 1: for what men wear, because they can throw on a 182 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: T shirt and a jumper and they can go anywhere. 183 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: But then I suppose the leveled up version is wearing 184 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: a suit. But don't you think it's weird? Again, just 185 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 1: thinking about men's and women's jeans, men seem to be able. 186 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: And I don't want to make this as a sweeping generalization, 187 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 1: but my partner will wear jeans like to relax in. 188 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: He'll be on the couch, Like We'll get home from 189 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: a restaurant and I'll be straight in the room getting 190 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: into my pajamas and he'll be sitting on the couch 191 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 1: for the rest of the night in jeans. 192 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 2: That's weird. Dale does that too, does Brandon. No, he 193 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 2: can't stand wearing jeans. 194 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: I would say a level one for a man is 195 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: wearing gray tracksuit pants. Oh I hate gray tracksuit pants, 196 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: particularly if they're wearing a matching gray top as well. 197 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 2: They look like an astronaut. Doesn't leave much the imagination either. 198 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: Look, I love being a mom, I love being a wife. 199 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: But I will be lying if I said I wasn't 200 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: counting down the days till this weekend. Sarah's Day almost 201 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: left her family holiday to Fiji a day early. The 202 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: Finnest influencer was packed and ready to go. It was 203 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: only when she checked her flight status that she realized 204 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 1: it was scheduled to leave the next day. This was 205 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 1: a little bit embarrassing because all week long they thought 206 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: they were heading home on the Thursday, but it was 207 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: actually on the Friday, and she kept making a big 208 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 1: deal about how it was her last day in Fiji 209 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:46,439 Speaker 1: and she was enjoying the last afternoon on the balcony. 210 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: I feel like the post holiday blues really settle in 211 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: on the last day of the trip, and I almost 212 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: can't enjoy myself on the last day of the trip 213 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: because I'm already mentally going through what I've got a pack. 214 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: You know, what's the day at the airport going to 215 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: be like. So she has said here that the silver 216 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 1: lining out of this situation is that, according to Girl Math, 217 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: they have an extra night's accommodation for free and a 218 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: day in Fiji for free. I actually disagree. I think 219 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 1: that she's been discounted heavily in Girlmoth, because I think 220 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 1: that's two wasted days, because you've got two days of misery, 221 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:17,719 Speaker 1: because there's nothing worse than having to pack and then 222 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 1: you're spending the night there, so you have to really unpack. 223 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 2: And repack again. 224 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: But also when you've got children, it'd be really difficult 225 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 1: to explain to them, hey, actually we do have another 226 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: day here, because it would be a real thing of 227 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: trying to mentally prepare them for the day ahead. 228 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 2: I'm weird when I'm on holiday. 229 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 1: I love to actually pack my bags ahead of time, 230 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: like just randomly, five days in I'll start packing my 231 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: bag to see how all my new purchases fit in. 232 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 2: Well, that's a shopping holiday though. 233 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 1: So for our first holiday away from our parents, we 234 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:47,679 Speaker 1: went to Malaysia and we were there for three weeks, 235 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 1: which I think was a little bit too long because 236 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 1: we had so many mock packs because we didn't have 237 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: our parents there controlling what we were purchasing. So we 238 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:59,079 Speaker 1: ended up with like fifty four handbags and twenty six 239 00:09:59,120 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: pairs of shoes between. 240 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 2: So it was actually essential to do the mock pack. 241 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 2: That's the thing. 242 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:05,559 Speaker 1: I don't think it was out of enjoyment. I think 243 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,559 Speaker 1: it was out of necessity because we could determine how 244 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: many bags or things we could buy that night. And 245 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 1: that's when you have a disposable income and you've got 246 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:15,559 Speaker 1: nothing to pay for a home you're living with your parents. 247 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 1: It didn't work out to be that clever though, because 248 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: even though we did so many mock packs. We were 249 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:22,559 Speaker 1: so over and we're going to be charged like five 250 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: hundred dollars for excess baggage, but we ended up beating 251 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: that by just putting on all the extra clothes on 252 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: in the airport and never got charged. 253 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 2: I love that we Back. 254 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: In the day we bought like fifty four handbags and 255 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 1: twenty six pairs of shoes, and now we can't even 256 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 1: be bothered to wear jeans out to the restaurant. 257 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 2: Today. It is the melb Marathon. I'm having my black coffee. 258 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: It is quarterbast six. The run is at eight am, 259 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: so get dressed with me. There has been so much 260 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: speculation around this romance, but it does appear that Olivia 261 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: Rodgers and Morgan water House are back on. So the 262 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: former Miss Universe shared a selfie with the model to 263 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 1: her Instagram account after a two month hiatus. Now we 264 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 1: have not seen this couple together since their extravagant month 265 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: fog holiday in Bali in August that they extensively documented. Yeah, 266 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: I was pretty surprised when this selfie popped up on 267 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:17,199 Speaker 1: Olivia's Instagram. So the selfie in question was taken after 268 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 1: Olivia and Morgan completed a half marathon in Melbourne and 269 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 1: Morgan had been teasing that Olivia was with him. He 270 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: shared the back of her running in front of him 271 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:28,679 Speaker 1: towards the finish line on his stories and they also 272 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: posted recovering and compression boots, so you could put. 273 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 2: Two and two together. 274 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: One super sleuth did send into Influence updates that they 275 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 1: checked out on the Herald Son's website the times that 276 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 1: the marathon runners finished, and basically Morgan Waterhouse and Olivia 277 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: their times were exactly the same, so it showed that 278 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: they ran it completely in Unison. It's pretty funny because 279 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: someone's also done a stalk of Getty images and they've 280 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:56,559 Speaker 1: come across a photo of Olivia and Morgan side by 281 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 1: side running at the marathon. 282 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 2: I love the investigation that has gone in this. I 283 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:01,679 Speaker 2: think there has been so. 284 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: Much speculation because it just seems weird because out of nowhere, 285 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 1: we were seeing all the ins and outs of their relationship, 286 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: this very blossoming relationship, so very quick. 287 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:12,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then for two months we've seen nothing. 288 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:14,679 Speaker 1: And do you think that's the reason why Olivia did 289 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: end up sharing a photo of her and Morgan to 290 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: her Instagram story because there were so many clues that 291 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: they were together. I won day if she was trying 292 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: to friend zone him in a way, because it wasn't 293 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: just a photo of them together. There was another friend 294 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 1: in the photo. Yeah, I was initially confused by the photo. 295 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 1: I didn't think that it necessarily signified they were back 296 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: together because there was a third person in the photo 297 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: and that was only shared on an Instagram story. It 298 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 1: wasn't shared in her feed, and she did post about 299 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: the marathon on her feed, so it is interesting she 300 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: chose to leave that photo out. I feel like Morgan 301 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 1: is trying to make himself known though, because he is 302 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 1: commenting on her feed again. He wrote, proud of you 303 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: for pushing through, and earlier in the week he did 304 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 1: comment on Olivia's reel and in the video she was 305 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 1: packing clothes to donate to the Red Cross, he wrote, 306 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: that's where my coat went. It is interesting timing, particularly 307 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: because her ex husband Justin has been amping up his 308 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: relationship with Tarny from The Bachelor. I saw over the 309 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 1: weekend that Tany shared a photo again with their dog 310 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: Ziggy cuddling up to him, and again that would just 311 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 1: irritate me so much. I just want to know what 312 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 1: is going on with Olivia and Morgan, and I know 313 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: that's very nosey of me, but they did make their 314 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:33,680 Speaker 1: relationships so public so early. Welcome back to books snipping. 315 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 2: It's time to snip another book and give it a reading. 316 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 3: Well, this one's got a really nice It's kind of faint, 317 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 3: but it does have that really nice vanilla smell. 318 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: I love this. 319 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 2: I love it when books smell did. 320 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: Books are back in a big way thanks to TikTok, 321 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 1: a subcommunity called book talk is transforming the reading landscape, 322 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: with books becoming the hottest accessory for genzettas and millennials. 323 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: But is BookTalk sucking the joy out of reading? Some 324 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 1: corners of the internet say that it's pre shuring young 325 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 1: people to treat reading like a competitive sport. I can't 326 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: get over how cool reading is at the moment. Always 327 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 1: on my feet. I'm seeing young girls meeting up in 328 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 1: bookshops or basically going there to add to their collection. 329 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:15,199 Speaker 2: I also see people sniffing books a lot. 330 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so weird because now that I think about it, 331 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: I do like the smell of a new book. But 332 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 1: I've never thought to go to my bookshelf and just 333 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: start sniffing them. What are they meant to be smelling like? 334 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 2: A book's supposed to smell different. 335 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: Well, one influencer I follow she has to sniff a 336 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 1: book before she purchases it to make. 337 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 2: Sure that it smells right. 338 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: It's almost as though you get the tick of approval 339 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: if it smells like a good book. 340 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 2: I mean, why you read the blurb instead? That might 341 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 2: be a better way, don't you think? 342 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 1: There's this snobbery also around having a physical book as 343 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 1: opposed to a kindle or even goodness of it listening 344 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: to a. 345 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 2: Book on Audible. 346 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: I love listening to books on Audible because you can 347 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: multitask at the same time. I have seen this trend though, 348 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: of people listening to a book on Audible or reading 349 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: on a kindle and then buying the physical so they 350 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: can kind of parade the book around and have it 351 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 1: on their shelf and be like, oh, I read that, 352 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: Look at how think it is. I know, I feel 353 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 1: like there's a bit of a dick measuring competition around, 354 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: as you said, the thickness of a book. I've seen 355 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: a few influences and they'll be talking about the book, 356 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 1: but they can't stop showing it and flicking through the 357 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: page and saying how great it is that I've actually 358 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 1: read through this. It kind of cracks me up because 359 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: can you imagine if people were like this year, I 360 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: actually watched a thousand episodes of Real Housewives, you know. 361 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 2: What I mean? 362 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I definitely think there's a lot of currency 363 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: in how many books you've read as well, and also 364 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 1: the genre of books that you're reading. You only have 365 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 1: to think of the start of the year when every 366 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: influencer was reading the same Colleen Hoover book, and it 367 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 1: sounds like we're being negative towards it, but I actually 368 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 1: think it's fantastic. I'm glad that books are the new 369 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: cool accessory because I loved reading growing up, but being 370 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 1: an adult, I have found it really difficult to get 371 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: back into it and find time. And I do like 372 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 1: seeing people reading on my Instagram or TikTok because it 373 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: does motivate me to get back into it. Yeah, I mean, 374 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: it is fantastic, But there are some critics who are 375 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: saying that book talks very wholesome. Online community is now 376 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: being fueled by competitiveness, so there's a lot of readers 377 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 1: who are saying that they're feeling pressure to read books 378 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 1: faster and to also splurge on books so that they 379 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 1: can do all these book calls on TikTok, And there 380 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 1: is this really unspoken snobbery when it comes to reading 381 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: a book, because if you are known as being someone 382 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: who's into books, there's this assumption that you're more knowledgeable 383 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 1: or you're. 384 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 2: Very articulate with things. 385 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 1: And it does have this new currency online, which is 386 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 1: a good thing because people are obviously trying to be 387 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: better educated and better read. But when you're feeling a 388 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 1: pressure to read a book that you're quickly flicking through 389 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: the pages, you're scanning it, then I don't think it's 390 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: you're actually immersing yourself in the book and doing it 391 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 1: as a relaxation. I just got caf day night in 392 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 1: my head from Pathing Kim when she was doing the 393 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 1: speed reading. I saw Sophie Jane Miller's log the other day, 394 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 1: and I have to say, I really do enjoy her content. 395 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 1: And she did this whole vlog about how many books 396 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: she'd read that week. But I couldn't help laugh because 397 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 1: it actually seemed like it was almost a full time 398 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:09,880 Speaker 1: job to get through these books. Because she has set 399 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 1: herself the challenge. I think it's a reading one hundred 400 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 1: books this year, and it almost like the pressure I 401 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:18,679 Speaker 1: could see she felt was into reading two books in 402 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:19,160 Speaker 1: a week. 403 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 2: That's crazy. 404 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 1: There is one book toker called Jack Ben Edwards and 405 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 1: he's known as the Internet's resident librarian and last year 406 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: he read one hundred and ninety two books, so that's 407 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 1: more than three books a week. And Amy, You touched 408 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 1: on Sophie Jane Miller just yesterday. 409 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 2: She shared a real. 410 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,159 Speaker 1: About the Panic years, about how the twenties are the 411 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 1: Panic years, and she touched on her obsession with reading, 412 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 1: and in the video she said that I feel a 413 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 1: panic to constantly self improve to read more books, until 414 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 1: reading books becomes more of a chort than a hobby 415 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 1: that you do just to tick off your to do list. 416 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:57,400 Speaker 1: I did get that vibe in her vlog that there 417 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:00,360 Speaker 1: was this pressure to keep reading. And it does seem 418 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 1: a little bit competitive because she has got a book 419 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:06,360 Speaker 1: club with another influencer called Georgia Richards and some other friends, 420 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 1: and it just seems like books are now all that 421 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: that friendship group talks about so pop in a nice way. 422 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: I'm not, but I guess that if you're not reading 423 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 1: the book, then you might not be in on the chat. 424 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 1: But for them, they're clearly trying to move their brand 425 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:22,959 Speaker 1: towards book talk. So for them, because they work as 426 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 1: full time content creators, that is working for them. So 427 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 1: there is that pressure that they must be constantly reviewing 428 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:30,440 Speaker 1: books for. 429 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:32,160 Speaker 2: Their TikTok or for their YouTube. 430 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 1: It's funny because when you compare book talk to say, 431 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 1: fitness influencing, it seems so wholesome. But there is an 432 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: ugly side to BookTalk where slow readers are being judged 433 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 1: for simply not reading enough. So there was a twenty 434 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:47,400 Speaker 1: three year old content creator called Nicole, and she went 435 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: viral recently because she posted a video defending slow readers. 436 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: So in the video, Nicole said reading is not a 437 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: competitive sport, even though this silly little app makes us 438 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: think it is. She continued, I've always felt I couldn't 439 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 1: make bookish videos as I read too slow. And I 440 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 1: feel like I couldn't love reading as much as I 441 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 1: thought I did because I was a slow reader. And 442 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 1: it's pretty sad. Because she was interviewed by an online 443 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: publication and she said that book talk was really intimidating 444 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 1: because there is this huge emphasis on the amount of 445 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 1: books you read, own and buy. And she continued saying, 446 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 1: the lifestyle of reading hundreds of books a year and 447 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: buying fifty books a month is unattainable for the average person. 448 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 2: That's the thing. 449 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 1: Books are expensive, and if you're in your teenage years 450 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: or early twenties and you're trying to keep up with 451 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 1: all of the cool new books that are coming out, 452 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:35,919 Speaker 1: you can go through your money pretty quickly. 453 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:37,679 Speaker 2: I have to laugh when you said that, because so 454 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,679 Speaker 2: many parents would be like, sure, here's fifty dollars, please 455 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 2: just read something. 456 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: What cracks me up is that it seems like a 457 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:47,400 Speaker 1: very that girl thing to be into books at the moment, 458 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:50,160 Speaker 1: and there must be these really confused boyfriends coming home 459 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: finding their girlfriends on their aesthetically pleasing white couch just 460 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 1: suddenly reading all these books. There is a content creator 461 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:58,919 Speaker 1: who is sharing her tips on how to read books quicker, 462 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:02,680 Speaker 1: and she said basically that you need to stop sub vocalizing, 463 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 1: so stop reading the book in your head. I don't 464 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 1: quite understand how that works. She also said to skim 465 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:10,920 Speaker 1: read and to chunk the words together, and to use 466 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 1: your fingers to raise the line of the text a 467 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 1: bit like kath As you were saying earlier, it's so unpleasant. 468 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: Isn't the whole point of reading a book to actually 469 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: enjoy it and to understand the plot? Because if you're 470 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 1: reading one hundred books a year, aren't you forgetting most 471 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: of the ones that you've read? Well? Another tip from 472 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: creators has been to make sure that you pick slimmer 473 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: books so that you can get your book count up quicker, 474 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 1: which I just found so funny because Spott goes to 475 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:37,159 Speaker 1: the it's just showing that it's about the quantity, not 476 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:37,719 Speaker 1: the quality. 477 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:39,239 Speaker 2: Look, I'm all for it. 478 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 1: I don't like the idea of people being pressed and 479 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 1: feeling bad because they're slow readers, but I think that 480 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:48,119 Speaker 1: the positives outweigh the negatives. This is a fantastic trend. 481 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:50,919 Speaker 1: If girls in their twenties are wanting to read a 482 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 1: lot of books rather than thrashing their bodies at the 483 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 1: gym or promoting unhealthy diets on YouTube, fantastic. 484 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 3: I'm terribly so we hadn't been told your adopt how'd 485 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 3: you do? A doctor? Very nice to have you with 486 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:04,640 Speaker 3: the doctor. 487 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 1: Amfield, a Sydney woman, has been charged with impersonating a 488 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:13,719 Speaker 1: health practitioner on TikTok. Dala Krezi was fined thirteen three 489 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 1: hundred dollars by a magistrate's court for the offense, which 490 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: can carry a maximum penalty of sixty thousand dollars and 491 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:23,399 Speaker 1: jail time. The thirty year old attracted two hundred and 492 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: forty three thousand followers under the handle doctor Kurezi. Between 493 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:32,160 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen and twenty twenty one. She posted fifty six 494 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 1: videos where she shared unqualified medical advice on topics like 495 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: ovarian cancer, HIV and fertility issues. Now those videos have 496 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 1: attracted one point five million likes and fifteen point one 497 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: million views. Despite having no medical qualifications, Kurezy don scrubs 498 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:54,360 Speaker 1: and a stethoscope while she handed out the medical advice. 499 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 1: That is so shocking and it just shows that you 500 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 1: shouldn't actually follow everything you see online. It's pretty scary 501 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:01,920 Speaker 1: to think that people just instantly trusted her because she 502 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,439 Speaker 1: had a steposcope on TikTok. The most disturbing part is 503 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,640 Speaker 1: that Korezi even partner with the New South Wales Cancer 504 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 1: Institute on public health awareness campaigns and also gained employment 505 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: as a project coordinator at New South Wales Health's Multicultural 506 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 1: health Communication Service shows having a large amount of followers 507 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 1: was really enough social proof for those big organizations to 508 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 1: actually trust it. On a smaller level, when I apply 509 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 1: for a job, I don't think anyone has ever asked 510 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: me to take a photo or send through a picture 511 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,640 Speaker 1: of my degree. I understand it is different in medicine 512 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 1: with different licenses and stuff, but this is very appalling 513 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 1: that it's gone this far. See, there have been a 514 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 1: few times where I have had to provide my academic 515 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 1: transcript for government jobs, but it isn't a normal thing 516 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:48,919 Speaker 1: that you have to do all the time. Now, Karezi's 517 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: defense barrister said his client had an underlying psychological fragility 518 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: which made it difficult for her to say no in 519 00:22:56,119 --> 00:23:00,439 Speaker 1: social situations. So the story goes that while Korezy studying 520 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 1: a bachelor's degree in health science, she met someone who 521 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 1: believed that she was studying medicine, so she. 522 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 2: Just went with it. 523 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 1: So the defense also claimed that the information Carezy shared 524 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 1: on TikTok was based on facts that she had researched. 525 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,919 Speaker 1: Wow Now, the prosecutor refuted these claims and said that 526 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,120 Speaker 1: the fifty six posts that Crazy made over a sixteen 527 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: month period went far beyond it's simply being unable to 528 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 1: say no, and during the sentencing, the magistrate labeled the 529 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: offenses as extensive, prolific, and pervasive. 530 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 2: It's pretty scary. 531 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 1: When you consider TikTok is the new Google search, and 532 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 1: there would be a lot of young people using the 533 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 1: platform to self diagnose. And you've got people on there 534 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 1: pretending to be doctors and talking about really important issues. 535 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 1: And many of us do seem to trust the internet 536 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,399 Speaker 1: with our health. I mean, I am very guilty of 537 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 1: always googling my symptoms. It really shows that you just 538 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:57,640 Speaker 1: need to go to your own local doctor and not 539 00:23:57,920 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 1: search these things online. 540 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 2: Are we really surprised about this? 541 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 1: I mean, you see how many fitness and health influences 542 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: there are that are just spreading medical misinformation online. And 543 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 1: they might not have a stethoscope. They've just got six 544 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:11,880 Speaker 1: pack abs to sort of prove their relevant. But it's 545 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 1: different to pretend to be a doctor, I think, rather 546 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 1: than pretending to be a qualified personal trainer. I wonder 547 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,680 Speaker 1: how she was found out where the people that knew 548 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 1: her that were like, wait a second, she need not 549 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 1: be easier In that one instance where someone accidentally thought 550 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 1: that you were the doctor and so that you just 551 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 1: said sorry, no, actually i'm studying. This was actually your 552 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,679 Speaker 1: connection with New South Wales's health. So they were like, 553 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 1: hang on, she hasn't got any qualification. So a joint 554 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 1: AFRA and Medical Board of Australia investigation was launched. 555 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 2: How embarrassing. 556 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:44,919 Speaker 1: The whole thing is really embarrassing, and it just shows 557 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:48,119 Speaker 1: that you've really got to be checking people's qualifications or 558 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,880 Speaker 1: also just don't use TikTok to diagnose yourself with medical conditions, 559 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 1: because a new study has revealed just how common unverified 560 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 1: information is on TikTok. So the study looks specifically at 561 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:02,199 Speaker 1: TikTok posts about liver disease and found forty percent of 562 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,719 Speaker 1: videos contained medical misinformation. What cracks me up is when 563 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 1: I was working as a reporter, we used to tell 564 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 1: the doctors that, yeah, can you go on camera in 565 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,440 Speaker 1: a white coat and a stethoscope because it just makes 566 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 1: it so much more believable to the viewer. Social proofing, Yeah, 567 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 1: it is social proofing, And obviously we've grown up seeing 568 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 1: doctors look a specific way, so we're just so willing 569 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 1: to believe that anyone in a white coat is a doctor, 570 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 1: yet when I go to my GP, they're just wearing 571 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 1: casual clothes. Well, I suppose it is encouraging that this 572 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 1: woman has been named and shamed, because hopefully we'll put 573 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,639 Speaker 1: other people off from pretending to be doctors on TikTok or. 574 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 2: Give them the idea. 575 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 1: Well, I think that is all we have time for today. 576 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,160 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us with this episode. 577 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 1: If you have enjoyed it, could you please make sure 578 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 1: you leave us a five star review and also check 579 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 1: to make sure that you are subscribed on Apple podcast 580 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 1: and also Spotify if you do want to hear more 581 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 1: content from us than sign up to Outspoken. 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