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Speaker 2: Good morning, and welcome to the Daily os It's Monday,

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Speaker 2: the twenty ninth of August. I'm Sam, I'm Zara. It's

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Speaker 2: been two months since Roe v. Wade was overturned by

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Speaker 2: this result in Kansas has really sent a big statement

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Speaker 3: Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews announced yesterday a plan to cover

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Speaker 3: the cost of ten thousand nursing and midwiffery degrees all

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Speaker 3: Twenty three people, including seventeen civilians, have been killed in

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Speaker 2: And today's good news, Ms Stark has become the youngest

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Speaker 2: sexual assault and abortion. If you're not in the right

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Speaker 3: Sam. It honestly feels like such a short time since

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Speaker 3: the Supreme Court handed down the decision that overturned Roe v. Wade.

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Speaker 3: I was on a plane heading over to Europe and

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Speaker 3: But in the last few months, we've already seen such

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Speaker 3: On June twenty fourth, the Supreme Court, which is the

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Speaker 2: What's the context surrounding the Supreme Court's decision to suddenly

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Speaker 3: Well, it was a very specific thing. The overturning of

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Speaker 2: And give me a sense of how many Americans are

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Speaker 3: When we look at the country as a whole. One

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Speaker 2: But we're not talking here about every state in the US, right,

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Speaker 3: And as I said, it is an ever changing landscape.

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Speaker 3: Well, voters in Kansas rejected the amendment, therefore voting to

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