1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,279 Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one oh four point nine's 2 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 1: three sixty and well we may as well get straight 3 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: into it because the Chief Minister has arrived in the studio. 4 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 2: Good morning to you. Chief. 5 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 3: Good hey Kattie. 6 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:11,799 Speaker 2: Now did you feel the earth move yesterday? 7 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 1: I did? 8 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 3: I did you? Just a slight rocking of the house. 9 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 3: I was a bit like, what's going on? There's my house? Yeah, 10 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 3: house movie, It's just just and after notice. 11 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: Well I didn't notice that. I don't know what I 12 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: was doing, but I didn't notice it. Now let's get 13 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 1: into it because we know there's so much making headlines 14 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 1: today and so much happening around the place. And from 15 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: today regional Victorians will be able to enter the Northern Territory. 16 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:38,159 Speaker 2: Are you expecting an influx. 17 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 3: Well, based off previous decisions, yes, so at noon today 18 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:46,519 Speaker 3: they're allowed in that where that quarantine mi ndstandings. Lots 19 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 3: of Victorians that want to get out that they have 20 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:51,559 Speaker 3: been locked down for a long time. They want they 21 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 3: want to they want to explore them. There's never been 22 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 3: a better ad to come to the territory them right 23 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 3: now with the safest we're the best. There's a good 24 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 3: feeling around town. So they're safe as us now, so 25 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 3: they're welcome here now. 26 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:06,479 Speaker 1: Melbourne, of course, has had vast improvements in the number 27 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:09,320 Speaker 1: of COVID cases each day. When do you anticipate that 28 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: the Northern territory might open to Melbourne. 29 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 3: Well, yesterday was donut day for the country, so for 30 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 3: the first time basically no new cases across the country 31 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 3: yesterday locally acquired, which was amazing. The Ring of Steel 32 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 3: decision for Premier Andrews is November eight. From memory, I 33 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 3: never nine November eight. We will probably pay a close 34 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 3: attention to that. We're obviously not going to get ahead 35 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 3: of Victoria and what they say about Melbourne and mitchell Shire. 36 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 3: So that's the ring of steel that day it comes 37 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:39,479 Speaker 3: down that they'll allow free movement within Victoria, we'll pay 38 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 3: close attention to that and witnesses paid. We have to 39 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 3: make a decision around then, either around giving two replication 40 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 3: cycles notice for opening or not. But we'd actually have 41 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 3: to make an active decision about around that Ring of 42 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 3: Steel time, because that's when we'll know how how Victorious 43 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 3: tracking so doing a great job, but at least you 44 00:01:57,560 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 3: know what ten days before we'd make a decision on 45 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 3: Melbourn in. 46 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 2: Itself, so probably before Christmas. 47 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 3: I think we are on track and this is this 48 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 3: is obviously the national goal was to be on track 49 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 3: by for free movement through the country by Christmas. We 50 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:13,119 Speaker 3: saw Western Australia make make its decision the other day 51 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:17,920 Speaker 3: about US and a few other of those state jurisdictions, 52 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:21,359 Speaker 3: so really it's all now all you know, in different ways, 53 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 3: every every jurisdiction seems to be making their way slowly 54 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 3: towards Christmas, which is I think a positive sign for 55 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 3: the country and really Australians as a whole need to 56 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 3: celebrate that. If you look overseas US, UK, France, Germany, etc. 57 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 2: Like you know basically every other country UK back into lockdown. 58 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 3: It's just extraordinary where we are and have done an 59 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 3: incredible job as a country. Good early decisions, boy, they 60 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 3: said bat Victoria the other day. Premier Andrews can make decisions, 61 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:53,239 Speaker 3: but you're talking about millions of people, millions of people. 62 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 3: It only works if victorians buy in and do it. 63 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 3: You can't enforce that kind of level of compliance like 64 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 3: you haven't got enough police have to have ordinary victorians 65 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 3: say yes, we're going to do this. And so victorians did. 66 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: It well let's last week we actually, I guess as 67 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: those borders open and we see that movement. Last week 68 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 1: we did speak to doctor Robert Parker, the head of 69 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: the AMA. He said that the AMA and am SAD 70 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 1: are in lockstep with concerns about Victorians heading into the 71 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: northern territory and do think that additional measures could be 72 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 1: implemented to keep territorians safe. 73 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 2: If you miss that interview, take a listen. 74 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 4: I mean the issue is if it does kick Darling 75 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 4: and I've been to a restaurant, I want to know, 76 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 4: you know, you know, potentially if I've become into contact 77 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 4: with it. Whenever I go to the cinema now, which 78 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 4: is not on the occasion, they take my phone number, 79 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 4: which is you know exactly what should happen, and they 80 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 4: should have those scanning things so you can just scan 81 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 4: your phone and they got They've got it. I mean, 82 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 4: it makes sense again and again from overseas, we're in 83 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 4: minded of how dangerous as virus is in the countries 84 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 4: that have been reasonably say that breaks out again and 85 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 4: kills people, and I just think the government needs to 86 00:03:57,440 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 4: have a greater degree of surveillance to protect the health 87 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:00,279 Speaker 4: of territory. 88 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 1: Now you have obviously been out this morning announcing this 89 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: is now going to happen. 90 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 2: Why did you decide that this needs to happen? 91 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 3: So we wanted to add to our contact tracing tools, 92 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 3: I think just for public confidence out there. We have 93 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 3: an excellent contact tracing system. We just not had to 94 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,159 Speaker 3: use it or really have had to use it, and 95 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 3: we certainly haven't had to do any industrial scale contact 96 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 3: tracing like jurisdictions down south, and our ability to trace 97 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 3: quickly starts from our borders and so it puts us 98 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 3: ahead of places like News Have Wales. We've got exceptional 99 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 3: collection of data on our borders of who's coming into 100 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 3: the normal territory. We also have a number of number 101 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 3: of businesses and number premises are collecting data already, either 102 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 3: as part of the already existing business model or as 103 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 3: part of their COVID nineteen safe plan. So it's about 104 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 3: plugging some gap. So we want to do this and 105 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 3: do it right. But for me, it's an additional tool. 106 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,719 Speaker 3: It cannot be seen as a substitution for contact tracing. 107 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 3: It does not preclude, as we've seen in this Have Wales, 108 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 3: if there is contact tracing going on, they're still do 109 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:01,559 Speaker 3: a call out saying if you've been to F forty 110 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 3: five reporting and as you will know, if forty five 111 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 3: has an existing pretty good tap in or whatever the 112 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 3: system is there, they know who's going to F forty five, 113 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 3: but they still will put a call out saying if 114 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:13,799 Speaker 3: you've been in. So it's not a it's not a substitute, 115 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 3: it's an additional tool. And so we've been looking at 116 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 3: it for a little while now about adding it to 117 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 3: our arsenal. For me, it's not about Victoria. It's about territory. 118 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 3: How is it going to be police though, so I'll 119 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:27,799 Speaker 3: get onto that. So territories are about to start traveling 120 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 3: a lot, I think over Christmas because they're missing their families, 121 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:33,479 Speaker 3: and so for me, it's about putting some systems in 122 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 3: place for when territorianess start doing that and coming home, 123 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 3: and about adding to it. We will be enforced, or 124 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 3: so I should say, it will be like our previous 125 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:43,840 Speaker 3: measures we're done where police and environmental health officers be 126 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:47,159 Speaker 3: about early more on an education basis than a compliance basis. 127 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 3: We suspect a lot of businesses will be trying to 128 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 3: do the right thing, but on necessary nailing on the head, 129 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 3: so that the first step will be to say, oh, 130 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:54,600 Speaker 3: if you tweak this or do it this way will 131 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 3: be better, so go that. Obviously, if you fail the 132 00:05:56,880 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 3: attitude test and you're clearly you know, not complet lying, 133 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 3: fines and that exists, so five thousand for an interviewal 134 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 3: twenty five thousand for it for a business, just as 135 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 3: any other direct breach of the Choe direction, So it 136 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 3: would be that's probably a good thing, be officially a 137 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 3: direction of the Chief Health officer or all the penalties 138 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 3: that apply for breaching a direction of the Chief Health officer. 139 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 3: So that's how we will all allow that lay it out. 140 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 3: We're also asking every premise to update their COVID nineteen 141 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 3: safe plan every six months, so you've got to keep 142 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,039 Speaker 3: looking at and updating it. We're also asking everyone to 143 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:29,559 Speaker 3: essentially nominate one of their staff to be a COVID 144 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 3: nineteen supervisory, which would be a common practice anyway for 145 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:36,679 Speaker 3: oh ands type issue, someone on staff who's training those things, 146 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 3: just to make sure that people are aware of the 147 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 3: safety plan, enforcing the safety plan, or doing the safety plan. 148 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 3: So there would be an expectation internally that you'll do 149 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 3: this too. I also think customers will vote with their feet. 150 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 3: If we're doing some of these things and you go 151 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 3: into a premise and you're thinking, ah, I just don't 152 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 3: think this place is up to scratch, You'll vote with 153 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 3: your feet. 154 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 2: I reckon, Yeah, I agree with you. 155 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 1: And we caught up with Alex Bruce from Hospitality last week. 156 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 1: They're more than happy with this measure being implemented. In fact, 157 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: they're incredibly cooperative in this space because they. 158 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 2: Don't want to go through another lockdown. 159 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: And a lot of these a lot of these different 160 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: measures to me are quite common sense. But what about 161 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 1: places like shopping centers and even your largest supermarkets. We're 162 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 1: quite often you are there for longer than fifteen minutes. 163 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 3: So the basic list we've chosen from is those businesses 164 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 3: that were closed during COVID. That seems like a sensible 165 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 3: place to start. We've added a couple in light headdresses. 166 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 3: There are places of mass movement where we think that 167 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 3: that kind of registration will be difficult, and considering we're 168 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 3: we're not substituting out the need to say, if you've 169 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 3: been to Woolies between these times, check in, so there 170 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 3: is still that foursome contact tracing system. This is just 171 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 3: an additional tool you go make sure it works if 172 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 3: you put it into a spot like that that's very burdensome. 173 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 3: You Magic casual and shop is where like thousands of 174 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 3: people go through there in a day, or bus depots, 175 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 3: So these are decisions made at the lockdown stage, right, Yeah, 176 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 3: how do you shut down some of these things? So 177 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 3: for us, it's about doing it in enough spots to 178 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 3: plug the gaps to make sure it works, and then 179 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 3: there'll be some general content tracing you've always got to 180 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 3: do in terms of just putting out the alert saying 181 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 3: if you've been to place X. 182 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: Check in now just for the reassurance of Territorians, because 183 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: I know that some people will be listening right now 184 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: and thinking to themselves, hang on a second, are my 185 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 1: personal information going to be passed on to different businesses 186 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: for them to then send me marketing collateral and. 187 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 2: Be used inappropriately? 188 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,239 Speaker 1: Is there going to be measures in place to ensure 189 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: that territorians personal data is kept safe? 190 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 3: Yep, So that was obviously dealt with in place to 191 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 3: loar News have whales, so absolute assurance on that, and 192 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 3: we've also said the businesses, we're not mandating a particular system. 193 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 3: So the QR code works well. We probably prefer that 194 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:42,679 Speaker 3: because it's just nice and neat. But if you want 195 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 3: to do pen and paper and manage that on site 196 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:48,679 Speaker 3: in a way that looks after people's privacy, that's okay too. 197 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 3: So we can work with you through that. So you've 198 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 3: got till now, from now until November thirty to work 199 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 3: on how you intend to do it. But we're not 200 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 3: going to stop you from doing a pen and paper 201 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 3: method if you don't want to do the QR code method. 202 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: Now I've also there's a question that continues to come 203 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 1: through on the tech side about equipment at the hospital, 204 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: particularly respirators, etc. At the hospital. Do we have all 205 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 1: of the equipment that is required if we have an 206 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: outbreak in the territory. 207 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 3: Yes, so we've got a lot of equipment there and 208 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 3: we've got the ability to scale up. There will come 209 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 3: a point in any of the territory and state jurisdictions 210 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:25,199 Speaker 3: where you'd be worried, and that's one reason why we 211 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 3: have quarantine and international quarantine is to make sure that 212 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 3: people come in in such a rate that we know 213 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 3: our public health system can handle it. So Sydney's made 214 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:33,959 Speaker 3: that same decision. One reason why they've got cap numbers 215 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 3: of international rivals is essentially a formula about their public 216 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 3: health system make sure we never run the risk of 217 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 3: overwhelming it. So a lot of our decisions that we've 218 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:44,679 Speaker 3: made and New Zealand two the fact one reason why 219 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 3: New Zealand went harder earlier than Australia was about their 220 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 3: public health system to make sure it wasn't ever overwhelmed. 221 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 3: So that's the decisions we've made to make sure that 222 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 3: we can handle anything that comes into the territory. International 223 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 3: is probably the greatest risk as we know, and we've 224 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 3: got some you know, general numbers about how many will 225 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 3: think on a flight will get COVID and how do 226 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 3: you handle that internally within our system. Knowing that there's 227 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 3: also been an offer on the table that if necessary, 228 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 3: they can be repatriated to the state which they would 229 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 3: ordinarily call home as well. We've seen some of that. 230 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 3: So for us, we have got all the equipment we need. 231 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 3: We are, though, making decisions to make sure we never 232 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 3: overwhelmed that equipment. 233 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 1: All right, We've got a lot of text messages coming 234 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: through this morning, and not many of them about COVID, 235 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: so we might push along and I want to ask you. 236 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: We know that next week the budget is going to 237 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: be handed down. We are all anticipating some big numbers 238 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: when it comes to debt and deficit. One of the 239 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: commitments which was made by your government was to cap 240 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: public the public service numbers. As I understand it, there 241 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: are now twenty eight hundred and thirty six full time 242 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 1: equivalent public servants in the territory. We do know that 243 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: the former Treasurer Nicole Madison announced that number would be 244 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: capped at twenty one than three hundred and ninety five. 245 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 1: Why does the public service continue to grow despite that cap. 246 00:10:58,360 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 3: So what we said at the time we announced the 247 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:02,679 Speaker 3: original cap was if we have to make decisions as 248 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 3: a cabinet, we will about adding to it. And we 249 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 3: have made some deliberate decisions around you know, the one 250 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 3: hundred staff we took on in the health sector, around 251 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 3: the COVID border controls, the additional sixty six police plus 252 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 3: adsumental liaismon officers, etc. For the borders. So they're all 253 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 3: additional to the cap just for a starter. So we've 254 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:26,319 Speaker 3: made the hydraulic Fracturing Implementation Team. So we have made 255 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:29,680 Speaker 3: some decisions as a government to add to that cap 256 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,959 Speaker 3: where they were necessa and the case was made. So 257 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 3: it's about managing your numbers. But what we've said is 258 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 3: you as a CEO can't just whack on staff. You've 259 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 3: got to make sure that you've got a case for it. 260 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 2: So are all of the increases COVID related? 261 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 3: A lot of them are, but they're all to the 262 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 3: front line. That's probably the most important thing that we've 263 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 3: made sure they've gone. Give you another example, there's a 264 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 3: standing decision that if Health replaces an agency nurse with 265 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 3: a full time nurse, they can add to their cap. 266 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 3: We want to make sure there's no loopholes so agency 267 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 3: nurses don't count on the cap, and so obviously we 268 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 3: don't want Health to something go down this path of 269 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 3: wacking on a whole lot of agency nurses and getting 270 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 3: around the cap. We want them to know that if 271 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 3: they substitute an agency nurse for a full time nurse, 272 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 3: which is actually a better result for territories and their 273 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 3: health needs in my opinion, that they can then add 274 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 3: to their cap. 275 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 2: So how many public servants do we have right now? 276 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 3: So just below twenty two thousand is my read on it. 277 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:26,959 Speaker 3: We were actually had achieved a rare thing in the 278 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 3: last ten years, and there's never been achieved before where 279 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 3: we had the same amount of public servants at the 280 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:34,079 Speaker 3: same time last year. We had that just prior to COVID, 281 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 3: so we had a brief moment of going the CAP's 282 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 3: working and then COVID hit and then there was a 283 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 3: significant increase obviously in public servants post COVID hitting. 284 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:42,959 Speaker 2: Are you wanting that number to come down slightly? 285 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 3: It would really depends on the COVID response. So we're 286 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:49,199 Speaker 3: allowed for border controls to being placed between now and 287 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 3: the next year, and that's still the plane at the 288 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 3: moment right If some of those things were to change, 289 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 3: then we might be able to bring it down. If 290 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 3: some of those things were to continue on, we might 291 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 3: have to maintain and where they are. So it's still 292 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:03,679 Speaker 3: got to be informed decision making about is that public 293 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:05,719 Speaker 3: servant that we're adding to the cap actually delivering a 294 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 3: genuine service for territories and needed and you have to 295 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:08,319 Speaker 3: make a case. 296 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 2: Now I understand as well. 297 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 1: There was part of the wages policy which would have 298 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: seen a one thousand dollars cap on any pay increases. 299 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: Has that been implemented and if not, is it going 300 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 1: to be implemented as part of the budget. 301 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 3: So that remains our position. The EBA negotiations have actually 302 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 3: started yet, so I guess the actual moment for implementation 303 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 3: is when the EBAs agreed to and we're off so 304 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 3: that but that is basically our wages policy will be 305 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 3: formally adopted during the budget process. But we accepted that 306 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:38,079 Speaker 3: a couple of years back when lang Land's put it forward. 307 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 3: So that is our policy position. But no EBAs come 308 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 3: up for negotiations yet. 309 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:44,440 Speaker 1: Okay, so it is the policy position, but it hasn't 310 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:45,959 Speaker 1: actually been implemented yet. 311 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 3: No, So obviously we're still within a current well there's 312 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 3: more than one EBA in the public service, but we're 313 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 3: within the current award agreement, so that makes sense. We're 314 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 3: honoring what we said then, but as they come around 315 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 3: to the next lot of negotiations, that will be our position. 316 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:00,120 Speaker 1: Okay, So is there going to be some measures in 317 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 1: place as part of the budget. Can we expect for 318 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 1: next week to try and rain in some of that 319 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 1: spending within the public service. 320 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 3: So we're still continuing all our budget repair measures. The 321 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 3: biggest problem for the next budget we flagged this at 322 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 3: the cronavirus fiscal report will be revenue so won't be 323 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:16,439 Speaker 3: expensure and every jurisdiction is going through the same thing. Basically, 324 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 3: there was there was no money to be made. Businesses 325 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 3: weren't turning over cash. Yeah, payroll went back was well, 326 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 3: we even gave payroll relief your GST slump. So the 327 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 3: biggest impact on the next budget will be hopefully a 328 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 3: temporary one as a short lived one as Australia bounces 329 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 3: back and essentially it recovers. But there'll be a massive 330 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 3: whack to revenue based around you know, it'd be huge. 331 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 3: As we flagg during the Crown Vis fiscal report, we're 332 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 3: looking at a massive deficit because the revenue got smashed. 333 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: How bad can we expect the budget to be next week? 334 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 1: I mean, I know when we look at it from 335 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 1: a federal scale, when the Treasurer of Josh Fridenberg handed 336 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: his down, you know they were massive numbers. 337 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 2: Are we expecting similar. 338 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 3: I believe Josh said eye watering. I think you can 339 00:14:58,000 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 3: safely say ours will be eye watering. I mean we've 340 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 3: ragged over two billion dollar deficit in the Cravio fiscal report. 341 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 3: Like that is you know, and is it more than that? 342 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 3: Well that same areas, how do you get more than 343 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 3: two bills? Anyway, It will be a massive deficit because 344 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 3: we've had a massive whack to revenue and we've also 345 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 3: deliberately made decisions as a government to take the hits 346 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 3: so businesses didn't. So we've waived payroll and power and 347 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 3: a range of things that might still trickle some money in, 348 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 3: but we said we rather you keep that money than 349 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 3: us take that money off of you at a time 350 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 3: when you're doing it really tough and not We obviously 351 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 3: also spent money on different stimulus measures to make sure 352 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 3: people stayed in jobs. So we're about trying to we're 353 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 3: holding the show together right now, yep. And that would 354 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 3: be still reflecting the next budget, maybe even the budget after, 355 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 3: because there's only a few months between the two budgets. 356 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 3: So but we're basically in the exactly the same boats 357 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 3: the Australian government right now. Safetisical strategy. 358 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: Will there be other I mean, camp territories expect any 359 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 1: incentives to be made throughout next week's budget. I know 360 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: that it's not really a good time to be spending, 361 00:15:57,800 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: but it is also a time, as we saw through 362 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: the federal where you do need things to keep going, 363 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: to keep the territory moving. 364 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 3: You'll see us target jobs again. So for my opinions, 365 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 3: some of the things I've really got to do for business, 366 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 3: especially small business. Small businesses are the ones we most 367 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 3: need to look after here. It's how do I increase 368 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 3: demand to your business? How do I reduce costs to 369 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 3: your business? How do I help you your supply chain? 370 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 3: How do I help you with your workers? So we 371 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 3: have got this odd position in the territory in the 372 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 3: middle of a recession. We've got a heap of job 373 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 3: vacancies out there, We've got jobs going. So how do 374 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 3: I help you as a small business on your workers front, 375 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 3: on your cost front, on your money through the door front, 376 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 3: on your supply chains. A bit of an issue that's 377 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 3: coming through as well. So we'll be looking at some 378 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 3: of those measures that really help businesses and through businesses jobs. 379 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 1: Now. Obviously we've spoken about public service numbers. One of 380 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 1: the areas where numbers continue to be a bit of 381 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 1: a concern though, is the police force. We caught up 382 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 1: with the Police Association last week and President Paul McHugh 383 00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: flagged with us that almost ten officers are leaving a month. 384 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 2: Are you concerned about these numbers? 385 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 3: We never want police to leave. But my understanding, the 386 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 3: vice remains are saying from the police commissioner, is that 387 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:12,679 Speaker 3: we're recruiting above attrition, and so we've got we've bring 388 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 3: more police in than we lose, which has been the 389 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 3: case now for four or so years under us. We 390 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:20,879 Speaker 3: have a turnover in the territory public service full stop. 391 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 3: Unfortunately just Territorians turn over. But my understanding remains that 392 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 3: we recruit above attrition. 393 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: Why do you reckon we're losing police officers? Why do 394 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: you reckon they are choosing to leave? 395 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 3: So I know that, well, there's a general territorians leaving 396 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:36,159 Speaker 3: to be a family sort of thing, but I do 397 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 3: no specifically to police. At the moment. There's a massive 398 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 3: recruitment exercise on for most other states so looking to 399 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 3: seriously vols to the size of their police forces. So 400 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 3: that's always attractive and so a particular point in time 401 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:49,120 Speaker 3: right now where other states are looking to expand as 402 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 3: we are, we're putting extra police on too because i've 403 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:53,439 Speaker 3: border control. So I think every jurisdiction is going through 404 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 3: a similar similar process at the moment. But mind standing is, 405 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 3: you know Unfortunately, Territorians sometimes feel the cooler family who 406 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 3: live down south and grandparents of kids and stuff like that. 407 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:06,440 Speaker 2: Are you worried we will lose more of our police officers? 408 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:09,880 Speaker 3: Well, based off historical attrition, we will continue to lose 409 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 3: public servants full stomp or as business has the same issue, 410 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 3: but we are still recruiting more than we're losing remains. 411 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 3: That made my understanding. 412 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 1: Now I've just got a couple of messages here from listeners. 413 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 1: I'll read one of those out. It says another break 414 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: in at the Palmerston Oasis shopping center last night. Can 415 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: you please ask the Chief Minister when is his government 416 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 1: going to do something about this? 417 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 3: So we obviously just been talking about police. We've got 418 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 3: people working at the pointy end about reducing crime. They're 419 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 3: doing really excellent work through that property crime space. One 420 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 3: crime is a crime too many, don't get me wrong, 421 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 3: but we do take it seriously. Please be doing significant 422 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 3: work to make sure we try and keep property crime 423 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 3: levels low. Unfortunately, we still see crime and we don't 424 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:51,120 Speaker 3: want that. And if you do do it, we will 425 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 3: catch you. There will be a significant consequence. We make 426 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 3: sure there's more choices of consequence. So it's creative and 427 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:01,640 Speaker 3: it does more to break the cycle. But we will 428 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:03,920 Speaker 3: take this seriously. We all keep doing everything we can 429 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:05,399 Speaker 3: to catch the person who does it and do the 430 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 3: work to stop it. 431 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: There's another one here, this time about Karama. It says, 432 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 1: can you please ask the Chief Minister what is going 433 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 1: to be done about muggings and bashings in Karama. People 434 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:16,120 Speaker 1: have had enough and are going to start to take 435 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 1: matters into their own hands soon enough. 436 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 3: I'll talk of police specifically about Karma. Crime doesn't come 437 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 3: up as often as Palmeston, Palmerston or Alice, but like when, 438 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 3: but there has raised issues from time and time about 439 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 3: the shopping center and people and how they behave through 440 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 3: that shopping center. We've talked to the shopping center owner 441 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 3: out there, something we do also take seriously. I was 442 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:39,959 Speaker 3: speaking to Nai yesterday actually just about how things were 443 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 3: going in Krama and what support she needed. And we 444 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 3: are arranging, as always police to talk with the shopping 445 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 3: center owner. How do we manage that. We've done CCTV 446 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:50,639 Speaker 3: things in the past where we put the cameras in 447 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:52,640 Speaker 3: the right spots to make sure that we can identify 448 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 3: and catch people who are doing the wrong thing. Just 449 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 3: on the note about taking things in your own hands. 450 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 3: My message the same as what polices is, which is 451 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:06,360 Speaker 3: please don't The chance of you're making mistake about who 452 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:10,440 Speaker 3: you might choose to do that with is high, and 453 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:12,919 Speaker 3: police are highly trained in how to do this. We 454 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:16,439 Speaker 3: don't want you getting into trouble yourself. Don't do that, 455 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 3: be really careful, don't make sure you don't get hurt either, 456 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 3: like the chance of hurting yourself as high too, But 457 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 3: please let police do the job called police. 458 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, Chief, I have just received a text message from 459 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:30,679 Speaker 1: a police officer and it says I'm a serving member 460 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 1: and it is because of a huge lack of support 461 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: from our management, Our associations gutless and our commissioner is 462 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: more worried about pursuing members than offenders. I'm more than 463 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: happy to have a talk to the Chief Minister about it. 464 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 1: That's obviously on members leaving. It does sound as though 465 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:49,159 Speaker 1: it is something that you know that is a concern 466 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 1: within the force. 467 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 3: I'm always happy to take advice on what support people 468 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 3: might need. Every public serment requires some level of support. 469 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 3: As a boss myself, I know I'm aware that my 470 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:04,160 Speaker 3: troops might complain about me occasionally, so you do need 471 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:05,879 Speaker 3: to take some of that stuff seriously always and provide 472 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 3: the ability for people to be able to pass information on. 473 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 3: What probably stays me most about that statement is the 474 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:16,360 Speaker 3: person feels that it's the Commission, Management and Association, so 475 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:17,919 Speaker 3: that you know where do you turn to in that 476 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 3: in that sense, so obviously always happy, there's there's a 477 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 3: there's a percema process. I've got it, very careful about, 478 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 3: but always happy to take advice. 479 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: Chief Minister Michael Gunner, we better leave it there. Are 480 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 1: always good to catch up with you. Thanks so much 481 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: for your time this morning and extensively talking us through 482 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 1: all of those changes and taking those questions from our listeners. 483 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you. 484 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one O four point nine's 485 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 1: three sixty