1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 1: Jersey and Amanda jam Nation. The Melbourne International Comedy Festival 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:08,720 Speaker 1: organizers have been lashed as gutless cowards for their reversal 3 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 1: in considering a tribute to Barry Humphries after canceling him 4 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: four years ago. Pierce Morgan has tweeted, you gutless cowards 5 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 1: canceled him for standing up for women's rights. You don't 6 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:22,439 Speaker 1: get to uncancel him now he's dead. Piers Morgurn tweeted. 7 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 2: The timing has been very awkward for the Melbourne Comedy 8 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 2: Festival because Barry's death. The huge outpouring of love and 9 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:32,880 Speaker 2: respect for this revered comedian has come at a time 10 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 2: that's reminded people that he has been canceled by the 11 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 2: Melbourne Comedy Festival. So they had the award called the Barry, 12 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 2: which is a reward given out to the most popular 13 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 2: show at the Melbourne Comedy Festival. 14 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: That's been around since two thousand. Yeah. 15 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 2: And then in twenty eighteen, Barry made some comments saying 16 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 2: that transjetbeingk that this transgender movement was fashion. He also 17 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 2: declared people undergoing gender reassignment surgery were mutilating men and 18 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 2: children and call in Caitlin Jenna a publicity seeking wrap bag. 19 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 2: This was the timing of This was in the drop 20 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 2: zone of when we were all learning what it meant 21 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:14,680 Speaker 2: for people to be trans and we all know the 22 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 2: high suicide rate around kids and people who feel they're 23 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 2: not seen, feel they're not in their correct bodies, and 24 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 2: how sad it is and how tragic it is and 25 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 2: how hard their lives are. So that's why the Comedy 26 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:31,400 Speaker 2: Festival decided to rename the Barry And I think it's 27 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 2: just because I think it's just the Melbourne Comedy Festival Award. 28 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:35,400 Speaker 1: Now, yeah, not the Barrier anymore. 29 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 2: No. And of course now that this, as I said, 30 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 2: huge outpouring of love for Barry Humphreys and people saying well, 31 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 2: wasn't the Melbourne Comedy Festival terrible for canceling him, They've 32 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 2: now done a bit of a backflip. Do they want 33 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 2: to call it the Barrier? 34 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 1: No? No, The festival boss, Susan proven has said after his 35 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: DEVA would not reinstate the award name. We have moved on. 36 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: But on Monday the festival tweeted it was working on 37 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: a tribute for Barring so you can still do a tribute. 38 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 1: But I still say you can do he's an eighty 39 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: year old guy, eighty nine year old guy. You can't 40 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 1: ask an eighty year old person their opinion on transgender Okay, 41 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 1: well this is. 42 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 2: That you can. This is an you made a living 43 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 2: dressing as a woman, of course, But. 44 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, just before you start loading up the 45 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,799 Speaker 1: truck with pitchforks, excuse me. As we get, as we 46 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: become more evolved as people, as there's stuff that we 47 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:24,959 Speaker 1: would have done on this radio show ten fifteen years 48 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: ago that we wouldn't do, of course. And that's not 49 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: cancel culture. That's because it's society. Society expects something from you. 50 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 1: But you can't cancel Barry for what he said. 51 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 2: I agree with you, so don't call me a pitchfork. 52 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:41,799 Speaker 1: Carric every just fired up. As soon as you say 53 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: the word transgender, I goes, oh my god, he's having 54 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: to go a transgender I'm not having to go a 55 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 1: transgender I've met transgender people, and I get what it's about. 56 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 1: I get it. 57 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 2: My point is you're entitled to ask Barry Humphrey's an 58 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 2: opinion because he's spent his life dressing as a woman. 59 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: I know, but you're asking an eighty year old man. 60 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 1: His opinions are going to be do you hang out 61 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: with eighty year old people? My father is one as 62 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: kim a people, and what does that say. 63 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 2: I haven't asked him about trans exactly, but let me 64 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 2: say this, like the role of a comedian. 65 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: But my grandmother wouldn't get into a Japanese car because 66 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: of the war. You know, I'm saying these standards were 67 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: different for the older generations. 68 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:17,679 Speaker 2: Well, and so let me just say this, the role 69 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 2: of a comedian is by and large to be controversial. 70 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 2: Barry Humphries has always been controversial. What's really interesting to 71 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 2: me is that when he then was controversial but not 72 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 2: in a way that people liked, they canceled. 73 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 1: It, curR and cancel him. 74 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 2: Having said that he's not a big molestic having said 75 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 2: that this was during with a whole lot of people 76 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 2: felt uncomfortable, that this was a period of time where 77 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 2: we were trying to make everyone understand what being trans 78 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 2: meant and people didn't like his comments. I agree he 79 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 2: should not have been canceled, but that's the role. He 80 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 2: can say what he likes and we can say we 81 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 2: don't agree with it. 82 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: I don't agree with his comments. I'll say that but 83 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: I don't think he should be canceled, and that's what 84 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: makes a freaking I agree. We all agree, we all agree. 85 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: Let's go and have a beer. Let's do it.