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Speaker 1: Get a. I'm Lola Berry, nutritionist, author, actor, TV presenter,

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Speaker 1: and professional oversharer. This podcast is all about celebrating failure

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Speaker 1: because I believe it's a chance for us to learn,

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Speaker 1: grow and face our blind spots. Each week, I'll interview

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Speaker 1: a different guest about their highs as well as their lows,

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Speaker 1: all in a bid to inspire us to fearlessly fail. Hello,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Potter Rooney. This is a returning podcast

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Speaker 1: guest today, Sam Web. If you've been watching Ossie Survivor

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Speaker 1: Heroes versus Villains, he put in such an honest fight

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Speaker 1: with integrity. He was loyal, a very good egg, and

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Speaker 1: wonderful player to watch on Survivor. So I was lucky

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Speaker 1: enough to actually watch Sam's last episode with him and

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Speaker 1: his beautiful fiance Nuds when the EP came out and

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Speaker 1: I shared a tiny bit of it on my Insta

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Speaker 1: and someone wrote to me, actually multiple people wrote to

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Speaker 1: me and they were like, you're going to interview me,

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Speaker 1: You're gonna get him on the pod, And I'm like, well,

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Speaker 1: I already have. And then after about I don't know

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Speaker 1: five or so requests, I was like, hang on, he's

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Speaker 1: my mate. I've got to ask him to jump back

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Speaker 1: on the pod. So thank you Sam for jumping back

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Speaker 1: on the pod. If you want to listen to Sam's

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Speaker 1: first episode on the podcast, I've put the link in

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Speaker 1: the show notes, but it's also one hundred and fifty

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Speaker 1: five is the episode number, so if you want to

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Speaker 1: listen to that first. Because we talk about very different things.

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Speaker 1: In the first time he jumps on this pod, we

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Speaker 1: talk a lot about mental health, but this time we

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Speaker 1: talk loads about Survivor because it's so fresh, it's kind

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Speaker 1: of fresh off the show. It's you know, in the

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Speaker 1: zeitgar right now. And then we also talk about being

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Speaker 1: based in La chasing this really unattainable acting career dream

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Speaker 1: that we both have, and Sam was so honest, real authentic,

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Speaker 1: no filter in all of his responses about all of it.

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Speaker 1: So I hope you love this chat. Sam. You are

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Speaker 1: one of the goodies and I feel very lucky to

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Speaker 1: call your mate. Big love Holly, Sam, We're welcome back

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Speaker 1: to the Potterronilala Barry.

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Speaker 2: I love you, I actually love you. I love being

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Speaker 2: back here with you. You're an absolute weapon.

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Speaker 1: The feeling is mutual, my friend. I can't believe well,

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Speaker 1: I've never I don't think I've ever had anyone on

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Speaker 1: the pod twice other than Matt, my boyfriend, because well,

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Speaker 1: I think those apps rate really well without I feel special,

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Speaker 1: do you know why?

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Speaker 3: Though?

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Speaker 1: So obviously you've recently been on Survivor Heroes versus Villians.

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Speaker 1: So the actual reason why you're here is people were

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Speaker 1: writing to me going, why haven't you interviewed Sam Web

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Speaker 1: on the pod and I'm like, I have, and I'd

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Speaker 1: send them the episode that we did together, and they're

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Speaker 1: like no, no, no, we want him post Survivor, and I'm like, well,

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Speaker 1: here's my friend. I can just ask you to come

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Speaker 1: back on the pod.

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Speaker 2: I'm so grateful to be I love just catching up

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Speaker 2: with you, whether it's on the pod or not. So

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Speaker 2: here we are, yeah, Los Angeles, let's get it.

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Speaker 1: I know, I know it is. I think the last

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Speaker 1: time I had you on would have been nearly two

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Speaker 1: years ago, nearly too. And I remember I was really

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Speaker 1: missing Australia and I was like, and you and I

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Speaker 1: caught up for a coffee first, we hadn't recorded the pod,

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Speaker 1: and I remember I walked up. We met down the

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Speaker 1: was like fuck. His accent's great and you.

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Speaker 2: Yours is thick to the yours is so thick, and

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Speaker 2: I think it's gotten since when you went home and

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Speaker 2: you've come back. Do you reckon?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I reckon? You love it too, love accent.

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Speaker 1: I do love a good Australiana and you, my friend,

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Speaker 1: have the quintessential perfect Australiana accent, So never change it.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: So I want to talk to you about Survivor. I

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Speaker 1: was lucky enough when I got back here. We went

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Speaker 1: because this is the night you knew, this was the

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Speaker 1: night where you were getting booted off, right, correct?

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Speaker 1: And you're like, I've got a whole day of press

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Speaker 1: I was like, you got to watch it, and you're like,

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Speaker 2: By the way, I'm glad I'm really glad that you

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Speaker 3: It was well, it was, but I was feeling it

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Speaker 3: for like feeling for you watching it, because it really

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Speaker 3: felt like it was almost like an accidental blind side.

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Speaker 1: That's kind of what it felt like.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't. It wasn't a good ending to my second

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Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean, it wasn't the It wasn't the

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Speaker 2: council that night, like we had a plan mate.

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Speaker 1: It looks like you were so clear that it was

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Speaker 1: and you're like Sean, just give it to me. Give

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Speaker 1: it to me, I'm telling you. And it was like

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Speaker 1: the ship had already. He'd made up his Yes.

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Speaker 2: Look there, and I get it. Like the game, there

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Speaker 2: are so many different complexities that are a part of

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Speaker 2: that one decision, right, so you look back at it

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Speaker 2: like ten times as hard from a gameplay perspective. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and you go to trouble with a plan and ninety

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Speaker 2: And you know, I have very good instincts. And while

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Speaker 2: Grab it from me at tribal. And then I was

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Speaker 2: it at Trouble. I'm like, yeah, I don't worry. The

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Speaker 2: move of Survivor this season, if not the entire eight

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Speaker 2: you know, the years that we've been here doing it,

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Speaker 2: playing Survivor in Australia. And I got there and I

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Speaker 1: So your stuff to camera straight afterward was like you

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Speaker 1: Even though it was Haley that kind of like had

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Speaker 2: Tried, Yeah, she tried to throw a hail Mary. But

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Speaker 2: of back back story, I was probably gunning for Haley

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Speaker 2: and then she ripped my name down that one night

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Speaker 2: It was just it wasn't even an option in that moment. Like,

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Speaker 2: I know, people ask like, why didn't you pick up

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Speaker 1: Us far out. Okay, I've got to ask a few

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Speaker 1: little just interesting post survivor things. So you weighed seventy

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Speaker 1: four kilos when you got off. Yeah, that's pretty how

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Speaker 2: Not that bad for me these days, Like I'm pretty

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Speaker 2: lean right now. I'm probably weighing at seventy seventy eight really, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so this time I didn't lose as much. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: feel like the way I was eating, whether I was

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Speaker 2: you gotta keep those pipes clean. Anyway, I didn't. I

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Speaker 2: was at that time of the game when I left,

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Speaker 2: I was not one bit like like I wasn't starving

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Speaker 2: I was actually read I could have done another thirty

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Speaker 2: three days quite easily.

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Speaker 1: Did you prepare differently for the two because like obviously

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Speaker 1: doing it in twenty sixteen, like you said, there's like

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Speaker 1: quite the pressure was higher all that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 1: Did you did your mental prep or your physical prep

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Speaker 1: change at all?

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Speaker 2: Nah? Yeah, I did, Like this, this was the last

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Speaker 2: minute thing like that, Yes, aks me to come back.

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Speaker 2: Would you be open to playing again? And I was

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Speaker 2: very grateful when I was on and to be like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: of course I'd play again. Let's just make it happen

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Speaker 2: here those first villains, Baby, let's go.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And I was like I was in Dubai at the time. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: So I didn't have a long time, so I was

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Speaker 2: just training normally, Jim. I was actually doing a fair

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Speaker 1: I've never had sneakers.

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Speaker 2: I just I have a tattoo called toto andada all

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Speaker 2: put through it this year to try and change my mindset. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: It's hard, though, because I understand what you're saying about

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Speaker 2: Sure, Sure, it's a very good statement. I think. I

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Speaker 2: that mentality, and I still do. I cross it out

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Speaker 1: Amazing just playing with the tassels there. Yeah, okay, so

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Speaker 1: with Survived, I'm going to ask just a couple more

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Speaker 1: hardest things would have been being away from Nuds Bugsy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, for sure that.

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Speaker 1: I was like going to be so because it's not

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So you've got your teammate,

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Speaker 1: you've got that support network every single day, whereas you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's the hardest thing. Like I played in

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Speaker 2: twenty sixteen season one, I was single. I had nothing

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Speaker 1: I feel like it'd be an easier game to play

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and like the way I look at it, and

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Speaker 2: And that's why I asked her for her permission, like

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Speaker 2: for five days or ten days. I'm probably gonna last

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Speaker 2: it's like someone dies. That's because you got to remember,

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Speaker 2: there's no it's a one way text. She was sending

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Speaker 2: them because I don't have a phe and she could

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Speaker 2: bit easier for her, as actually set up automated emails

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Speaker 2: I'm enjoying myself. I miss ya, like it's hard out here. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I haven't told many people.

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Speaker 1: That A yeah, you gave me goosebump sense. That's very sweet,

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Speaker 1: That's very very much.

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Speaker 2: She struggled with it, Hey, like she struggled with the

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Speaker 1: But you guys had so long a part last year

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was very tough. Air nine probably.

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Speaker 2: She was in Dubai and here in America and Miami.

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Speaker 2: I was in Australia some of the time doing work

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Speaker 2: they've passed. Yeah, you know, and that's sad. And Nards

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Speaker 2: But hopefully those automated scheduled emails. I did some. I

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Speaker 1: But I think it's very romantic to you that. But

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Speaker 1: also on top of that, it's just thoughtful and kind

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Speaker 1: So I know you love channing. I know that's kind

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Speaker 1: question right here, brilliant when you did the auction, you know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Really?

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Speaker 1: And some people freaking missed out because they're like and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing, Like, that's that's where you just

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so fun. But okay, so what about like

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the hardest challenge would have been the water challenge

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Speaker 2: where you're breathing under the cage. Definitely the individual one

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Speaker 2: when we first individual immunity one. For me, that's like

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Speaker 2: my life. I haven't served for a while now, and

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Speaker 2: but water has always freaked me out. And the feeling

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Speaker 2: it's quite yeah, panic inducing andphobia. Yeah, yeah, yeah for sure.

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Speaker 2: And look, I do the challenge again. But I just

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Speaker 2: all the other ones. There wasn't I thought, Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: I thought I would have done better. But they were fine. Like,

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Speaker 2: there were so many good challenges, like the football one

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Speaker 2: the beauty of that game. It's kind of like an

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Speaker 1: Do you think how important do you think is like

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Speaker 1: Like is it better to be like strong, like a

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Speaker 2: Body of mass, what do they call it? Body to body,

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Speaker 2: can't speak on science or anything, but generally speaking, the

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Speaker 2: there are challenges that could be favored to the Shawans

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Speaker 2: of the world, the Simons, the moons. But I mean

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Speaker 2: that's the beauty of survivor. You just don't know until

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Speaker 2: you get to that challenge. Yeah, and they're not all

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Speaker 2: the same. So the person that at least expected to

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Speaker 2: win a challenge will or could win a challenge. That's

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Speaker 2: the greatest thing about it. You've given everyone a chance

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Speaker 1: And what percentage do you think is like social, like

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Speaker 1: that challenge like physical?

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Speaker 2: Because I think, yeah, what do you think?

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Speaker 1: I reckon it's like eighty ninety percent social? Yeah, human behavior?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, so I reckon This is how I think

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Speaker 2: it is. People always think, oh, we saw clearly yes

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00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:32,639
Speaker 2: Liz one, Yes, Matt won a few individual communities, Simon

436
00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,560
Speaker 2: one a few, yeah, and their challenge beast. I get that,

437
00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:37,720
Speaker 2: but that will not win you the game. It could

438
00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:39,720
Speaker 2: win you the game at a moment like Liz did.

439
00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,200
Speaker 2: She didn't win, she probably would have been voted out.

440
00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:44,720
Speaker 2: So it does come in handy. Yeah, But when it

441
00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,679
Speaker 2: comes down to it, I think the game is very

442
00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,879
Speaker 2: much based around your social game, which I feel is

443
00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:56,479
Speaker 2: broken down into strategy, yeah, mental health, yeah, and how

444
00:21:56,520 --> 00:22:00,760
Speaker 2: you get along and treat people. The three three things

445
00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,520
Speaker 2: fall under your social and I think social probably for

446
00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 2: the most part, it is probably eighty twenty yeah.

447
00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, so fascinating, And.

448
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,359
Speaker 2: You could say one hundred things in a day, and

449
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:15,720
Speaker 2: everything that you say almost needs to be calculated, because

450
00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,160
Speaker 2: you could just say something that you would be just

451
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:21,200
Speaker 2: throwing it away and it just might piss the wrong

452
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,119
Speaker 2: person off enough for them to want to get you

453
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,199
Speaker 2: out or to get in their head and create a

454
00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:28,000
Speaker 2: seed of doubt that they think they need to now

455
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:29,840
Speaker 2: get you out before you get them out. And that's

456
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 2: just the way the game is. Yeah, that's what's the

457
00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:33,959
Speaker 2: hardest part about it. What a base it is. It's

458
00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:38,480
Speaker 2: very I've grown to actually love this game. I actually

459
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 2: have respect for everyone that's played it and who's trying

460
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 2: to apply to get on that. Just do it. Just

461
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,719
Speaker 2: do your best job and get on there. Because it's

462
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:50,960
Speaker 2: a fun game. It's very challenging. It's extremely complex, but

463
00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:51,760
Speaker 2: it's rewarding.

464
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:55,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I know I know the answer to this,

465
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:56,200
Speaker 1: but you do it again.

466
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,440
Speaker 2: Definitely do it again. Actually I will do it again

467
00:22:58,480 --> 00:22:58,760
Speaker 2: one day.

468
00:22:58,760 --> 00:22:59,920
Speaker 1: I reckon maybe America.

469
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,920
Speaker 2: Maybe American, I think because your green card, don't. I

470
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,119
Speaker 2: am sorry. I mean I'll be a citizen in the

471
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:09,919
Speaker 2: next two years. So if Jeff Props is listening, sometimes

472
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:11,879
Speaker 2: get him mine. Let's go.

473
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 1: Okay, let's talk acting, because I think that's how you

474
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,119
Speaker 1: and I were connected. Who connected you and me the

475
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,440
Speaker 1: first time. It wasn't like dustin my yoga bud, was it?

476
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 1: Was it Scott Tweety maybe?

477
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 2: Who was it?

478
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 1: Oh? Yes, yes? So when I met you, we met

479
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 1: for a coffee and to kind of like talk about

480
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 1: just being two oussy actors in the whirlwind, that is,

481
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 1: at the beast of La and I remember thinking straight right,

482
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 1: oh my god, what a champ. Like you're unaffected, your

483
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,680
Speaker 1: straight down the line. It's really easy to like become

484
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:54,720
Speaker 1: a bit la. Like you meet people, especially when you

485
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,680
Speaker 1: go back to Australia that feel like they almost sound

486
00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,360
Speaker 1: American and stuff like that. You're completely not or who

487
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 1: you are. You're loyal, You've always checked in with me

488
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:07,920
Speaker 1: and you've always made time for coffees and hikes and

489
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,439
Speaker 1: all that kind of thing. Because so thank you for that,

490
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:16,640
Speaker 1: by the way, a good mate. But here's the thing,

491
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 1: like the acting thing isn't what people I think think

492
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 1: it is. Like when you're in acting school in Australia,

493
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:25,879
Speaker 1: the dream is to come here for ninety percent of

494
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 1: the kids, I reckon, I know for me and my school.

495
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 1: And when you get here, though, there are a lot

496
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,679
Speaker 1: of things no one tells you about, like social security

497
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 1: and getting a license and paying your rent with a check. Literally,

498
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:40,680
Speaker 1: there's just so many it's like living in a whole

499
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 1: different land, which you are. But then from an acting perspective,

500
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 1: you've got agents, you've got managers, you've got acting school,

501
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 1: you've got goosies, you've got casting room callbacks, and you've

502
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 1: got zoom calle. Like, it's a very different terrain to

503
00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 1: being an actor in Australia. And you've been a successful

504
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 1: actor in Australia, you're on neighbors, you know, like you've

505
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:09,120
Speaker 1: come here chasing this like very unattainable dream to be real.

506
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 1: So how do you deal with the tough days when

507
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 1: and I'm asking this for my own personal benefit right now,

508
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 1: because I've had a tough month where like I have

509
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 1: got a lot of self doubt and some days I'm like, fuck,

510
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,879
Speaker 1: am I going to make it? And it's really hard

511
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 1: to like quiet that voice when you know you're getting

512
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,680
Speaker 1: a lot of donuts here and for people listening when

513
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,160
Speaker 1: you do an audition, if they don't like you, you don't

514
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 1: get to know that, you just don't hear you get

515
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 1: a donut naturally correct. So how do you handle like

516
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 1: the tougher side of being an actor in LA.

517
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a very good question. I think the hardest. Actually,

518
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:47,440
Speaker 2: let's take it back a second. I think I think

519
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 2: something that is true and we've got to acknowledge is

520
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 2: we all in our worlds, in our own lives, we

521
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 2: all have some level of doubt at some stage, whether

522
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:59,679
Speaker 2: it happens frequently, whether it happens not as frequently, or

523
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 2: and goes and ebbs and flowers, you know what I mean.

524
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 2: And I think it's no different. And I think acting

525
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,639
Speaker 2: it's almost like an a vicious attack on self in

526
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 2: a way, because it is you that is either booking

527
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 2: the job or not booking the job, and so a

528
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 2: large part of the worth that you put on yourself

529
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 2: is you're putting in the role that makes sense. Yeah,

530
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,159
Speaker 2: so there is a lot of pressure that comes with it.

531
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 2: So I think the doubt part is normal, and you're

532
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,880
Speaker 2: not feeling like you're not alone on that thought, because

533
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 2: I feel like that all the time. It's just kind

534
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 2: of like, yeah, breaking it back down as simplicity is

535
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,159
Speaker 2: thinking of the things that you can control, but learning

536
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,120
Speaker 2: like and this is a thing that I've been trying

537
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,120
Speaker 2: to learn for so many years now, and it's something

538
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 2: that I'm really getting into the deep and meaningful part

539
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 2: of like letting go. I think, the less you really

540
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 2: care about this and just learn the art of just

541
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 2: being a human, I think is what acting is really

542
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 2: all about. Because yeah, and it's very yeah, it's very complicated.

543
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 2: It's extremely complex. Again, yeah, you said it's a high

544
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 2: probability of never going to make it, But that's what

545
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 2: also drives people to want to do it. I don't

546
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 2: do it because I want to be famous, So I

547
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 2: don't want to do it because I want to make money.

548
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 2: Like I actually like creating and doing it through the

549
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 2: medium of film or TV, or even just being in

550
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 2: class or making my own material or shooting stuff with

551
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,199
Speaker 2: scenes or getting together and playing with a scene like

552
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 2: that to me is enough. I don't have to go

553
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 2: and be a successful actor to feel good in myself.

554
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 2: Really at the end of the day, yes, I want

555
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 2: to be a full time working actor, books and roles,

556
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 2: have fun, make money, do all that stuff as well.

557
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 2: But my cup gets filled by just creating. And I

558
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,199
Speaker 2: think if you can see that and you're doing it

559
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 2: for those reasons, I think all the out and fear

560
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,439
Speaker 2: and frustration and I'm not good enough, and all that

561
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 2: sort of stuff kinda isn't as persistent, it's not as strong,

562
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 2: It doesn't it doesn't it doesn't attack you as much

563
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 2: because you haven't put so much pressure on that. Like

564
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 2: that's how I see, And I still put pressure on myself.

565
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 2: I'm not saying I don't like I'm not here saying

566
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,400
Speaker 2: I'm perfect, because I am absolutely far from it. I'm

567
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 2: probably more down the rabbit hole now than I've ever been,

568
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 2: and that's okay. But you've just got to just just

569
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 2: trust yourself, trust your instincts, so.

570
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: You for you, it's like continuously working on the craft

571
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 1: and not holding onto tight, like being okay with letting go.

572
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm learning. So letting go of something

573
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 2: I'm really deep diving deep into right now because it's

574
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 2: something I have to do. It's I won't progress in

575
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 2: my life if I can't let go. And that's just

576
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 2: the that's just the truth I've had. I've I've done

577
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 2: a lot of inner work. I've done a lot of

578
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 2: work on myself. I've got great mentors in my life.

579
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 2: I seek professional mental health support, and it's just something

580
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 2: that is necessary now to go on to the next

581
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 2: stage of my life and whatever that is, I'm open

582
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 2: and I'm willing and I'm just doing my best.

583
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 1: There's a I don't know what actors said it, but

584
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: they say after they walk out of a call back,

585
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: they'll throw the script away in the and it's it's

586
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: real letting go.

587
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

588
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, like I've honored that audition, come to the next.

589
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 2: Just forget about it kind of thing.

590
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's just very good because also like casting directors

591
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: may not book you because you look like their ex boyfriend,

592
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: like it might actually have nothing to do with you exactly.

593
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 1: So it's it's kind of like powerful when you know, well,

594
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 1: like you said, there's some things you're not going to

595
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: be able to control, but the stuff you can is

596
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: like working on your craft, showing up, giving it, you're

597
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 1: all in the moment, and then letting go.

598
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I think a big part of acting, though

599
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:43,959
Speaker 2: it is done away from the craft too. I think

600
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 2: it's about just it's just really get in touch with

601
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 2: yourself as a human, like yeah, because you're trying to

602
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 2: portray yourself right and trying to live in different emotions

603
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 2: and different places in your life and show different sides

604
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 2: and colors of you. That you probably don't normally shah.

605
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 2: And there's something very very frightening about that too, because

606
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 2: confront we squash that down to the bottom of everything

607
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 2: in our lives, but when it comes to acting, we're

608
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 2: told to now grab that from the bottom of the stack,

609
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 2: and now we've got to use that to change the

610
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 2: other person. Acting is very complex. Being a human sounds simple.

611
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 2: It is somewhat simple if you think it that way,

612
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,239
Speaker 2: but it's very complex when you try and convert that

613
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 2: then into acting. Totally very complex. But again, I do

614
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 2: it because I just love creating. I love creating things,

615
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 2: and acting is just one of those things. I like

616
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 2: creating businesses, I like creating friendships, I like creating stories.

617
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 2: I like creating. Yeah, I just like a lot. I've

618
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 2: got a passion for creating, and this is just one

619
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 2: of my outlets which I get a lot of therapeutic

620
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 2: alliance from.

621
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: What about the rejection stuff, because what you're saying is like, yep,

622
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 1: keep doing the craft, don't hold on too tight, let go.

623
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 1: But like there is a bit like the way we're

624
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: talking about survival, like eighty percent social game, twenty percent strength.

625
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: Like I think there's in the acting world there is

626
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: a certain percentage that is the craft and what you've

627
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 1: talked about, like continuously being in class, working yourself. But

628
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: there's another side of the acting world that is the

629
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 1: business that is often not taught in class, which is

630
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: like often the missing large piece of the puzzle, and

631
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: having that business marts is I think imperative, but it's

632
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: never taught. Like I think, there's a huge I always

633
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: say to people there's a huge disconnect from drama school

634
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: to booking a job and being a working actor. Obviously

635
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 1: that's because there's a lot of people want to do it,

636
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: but there's no like it's really hard to go from

637
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: being a drama school student to then one auditioning and

638
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: being able to handle that rejection, and then to then

639
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: being long enough to book the jobs.

640
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, I get it. I get it. I

641
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 2: think for anyone listens too. I think in life there's

642
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 2: no linear way to get from it. Like we all

643
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 2: trying to get from one place to another, but what

644
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 2: the place you're trying to get to. Your place might

645
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 2: be a different road you take to get there, of

646
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 2: course compared to me. So I can only control certain

647
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 2: things in my life. But the rejection part of it

648
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 2: is is it is tough. Like I've been rejected so much.

649
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 2: We're just talking about this before, Like I can't even

650
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 2: find a decent rep right now out here in La Me. Yeah,

651
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 2: for a number of reasons. And I take full responsibility

652
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 2: in what I can control, and that is putting my

653
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 2: best foot forward with my materials. And they're just not

654
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 2: They're just not up to scratch right now. And that's okay.

655
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 2: I'll go back to the drawing board and do that.

656
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 2: But like I've been rejected a lot and I'm still here,

657
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 2: and and it's fine because I because I do believe

658
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 2: in myself. But there are days where I don't believe

659
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 2: myself and I think, am I wasting my time? And

660
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 2: is this all? Is? Am I living some kind of

661
00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 2: fairy tale different thinking? Here? Am I like oblivious delusional?

662
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 2: Thinking that I'm different than what people are seeing me?

663
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 2: He has, Like there's so many different thoughts that come

664
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 2: through my mind. But like the end of the day,

665
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 2: you really can only do what you do. And a

666
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 2: big part of it is what I've learned. Been here

667
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 2: now for four years, it's not even a long time.

668
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 2: I'm kind of like still new.

669
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 1: Well, I'm only a year behind it, and it feels

670
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 1: it's weird, it feels new, but it also feels like

671
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 1: a long slog too.

672
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 2: It is, it's a very long so but people have

673
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 2: to like you. I feel like in this industry, it's

674
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:35,959
Speaker 2: a combination of being good, being very liked, and people

675
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 2: people want to work with you. I feel like relationships again,

676
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 2: is a big part of this industry. And I don't

677
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 2: know what some people do for their relationships and how

678
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 2: they get from point A to point B. But yeah,

679
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 2: I mean, there are great actors working, but there are

680
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 2: a lot of great actors that aren't working.

681
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, oh my goodness. So, I know you've

682
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: got this passion for mental health. We've talked about it

683
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: on Mark You on the Pod volume one. But I

684
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: feel like we're in the territory of mental health right now.

685
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: So what are your I know you've experienced anxiety before,

686
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: padic disorder, or like quite a lot of meaty mental

687
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 1: health things. Definitely, what are your like is for you?

688
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: I know, like health is really important and movement all

689
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. How do you look after your

690
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: mental health?

691
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 2: I mean it's not the greatest at the moment, that's

692
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 2: for sure. My mental health is probably the worst it's

693
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 2: been in probably a decade.

694
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,240
Speaker 1: Do you think that's the stress of though you're about

695
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: to get married, there's a lot of things going on

696
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 1: in your life.

697
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 2: I think, to be honest, I think it's if I

698
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 2: unpack at all, I mean there's a lot unpacked, probably

699
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 2: too much for this podcast, but in simplest terms, probably

700
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 2: there's so many changes going Yeah, and I'm feeling again,

701
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 2: back to the whole letting go. I think I'm feeling

702
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 2: very out of control, which is a good thing to

703
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 2: feel because it's necessary. It's not a good thing to

704
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 2: feel being out of control. You don't want to be

705
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 2: out of control. You want to be aware, but you

706
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 2: want to have that piece inside to let go of

707
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 2: things that aren't serving anymore. And so I've had to

708
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 2: make changes in my life for that exact reason. And

709
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 2: I'm opening myself up to new opportunities. And while my

710
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 2: mental health has taken a turn for the worst, I'm

711
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 2: a big believer in faith these days that it's setting

712
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 2: me up for something great and hopefully I can find

713
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 2: my best version of myself somewhere along the line, and

714
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 2: we'll we'll do whatever we can do to make a

715
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 2: difference for me, but also for the people in my life.

716
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:36,280
Speaker 2: And yeah, mental health is a tough one. Anxiety, depression,

717
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 2: anyone that's struggling right now with any kind of mental

718
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 2: health challenge, you know, I wouldn't wish it on anyone.

719
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 2: And being in the throes of it now, like the

720
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 2: dark throes of it now, like ones that i've it's

721
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 2: been pretty scary at times, is like, yeah, I wouldn't

722
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 2: wish this on anyone. A not to relive this again.

723
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:56,359
Speaker 2: This was a long distant memory for me for ten

724
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 2: years ago and it's come back worse than ever. So

725
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 2: trying to just navigate that now is being tough. But yeah,

726
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:05,240
Speaker 2: I feel like it's come for a reason.

727
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: Thank you for sharing that, because that takes a bit

728
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 1: of curg or not a bit of courage, a lot

729
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,439
Speaker 1: of courage and vulnerability. A good friend of mine who

730
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: I turn to when I need a little like because

731
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 1: I've got I'm pretty sure you and I both got therapists,

732
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 1: got all these things that like, but sometimes you've got

733
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: that friend that you can just be like so raw

734
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: and real with. And he taught me this and it

735
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 1: was like He's like, it's so good to be Rock

736
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: bottom and he goes because when you're at rock bottom,

737
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,760
Speaker 1: you either can a stay there right, which is usually

738
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 1: more comfortable than B or B make a change and

739
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: so like, although it's really uncomfortable, like especially that out

740
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: of control, Like I know, I feel best when in control,

741
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: even though you know it challenges and we stretch and

742
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: grow and learn and have to skill up or get

743
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 1: extra help when we feel completely out of control. But

744
00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: it is so I don't know, it's weird, like usually

745
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 1: these darker these like harder times, not all the time,

746
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,919
Speaker 1: but sometimes there is some and it's where you touched

747
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: on with the faith bit, like there is a silver

748
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,240
Speaker 1: lining or you look back at that there's that famous

749
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 1: Steve Jobs quote and he's like, sometimes you feel like

750
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 1: you're hitting your head against a brick wall. And he's like,

751
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,800
Speaker 1: it's not till you look back and you can connect

752
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 1: the dots, like maybe you had to, you know, not

753
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: be repped for a little while because it was waiting

754
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 1: for the rep that's going to you're going to have

755
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: your next athlex Brace.

756
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 2: I love that and I love that. I love that.

757
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 2: I know, yeah, known brings me a level of peace,

758
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 2: you know, whereas that unknown used to bring me like

759
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 2: a level of discomfort, Yes, whereas now I love the

760
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 2: idea of not really figuring it out and letting it go.

761
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 2: And as I said, I'm still working on it. The

762
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 2: anxiety is realer than it's ever been and it's freakin

763
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 2: tiring at the same time. But I think I haven't

764
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 2: even answered your questions around what I do for health,

765
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 2: and that really is you know, it's a range of things.

766
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 2: Definitely for me, is staying physically fit.

767
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't you do something crazy like run up Runyan.

768
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 2: I used to run run not so much anym.

769
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: Did you do like a couple of Yeah, for people listening,

770
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: Runyan Canyon is an incline the whole way up to

771
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 1: the top, it'd be pretty decent.

772
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a tough one, and that's that's a good

773
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 2: mind clear of that one. But yeah, definitely prioritize my

774
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 2: physical health. So whether it's going to the gym, going

775
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 2: for a walk, doing a light outside jog, sitting in

776
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 2: a steam room, this is all physical stuff that I

777
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 2: do for myself as almost like a prerequisite. On top

778
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 2: of that, I definitely eat well for the most part

779
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 2: of the time.

780
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,280
Speaker 1: Also, Nards cooks up some ripper meals.

781
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 2: That's cool, mate, she's so good at cooking. Big shout out,

782
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 2: Nads there you gave baby love, your big love. Thanks

783
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 2: for all those beautiful dinners we had at Seco the

784
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 2: other nights of Ecuadorian It is so nice, like this

785
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 2: traditional home cooked feel so homey I'm thinking about now

786
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 2: I'm drooling. Give me one this goal. But no, she's

787
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:11,919
Speaker 2: great cook Food is a big part of my life now.

788
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 2: I get very excited about that, although I've got a

789
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 2: pretty simple diet. And then on top of that is yeah,

790
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 2: self help, reach out, I get support for my mental health.

791
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 2: I try and improve, I read. I'm getting back into meditation. Yes,

792
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 2: I have to. And again faith is going to be

793
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 2: a big part of my life. I have to cling

794
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 2: onto something that's greater than myself because it's just not

795
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 2: working right now.

796
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 1: I feel you. I feel you. We were texting last

797
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: night and I texted you. I was like, fuck, it's

798
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,399
Speaker 1: been rough one and you were like, yeah, mate, yeah, yeah,

799
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 1: I feel you. And so it is. I must say, like,

800
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,720
Speaker 1: it is really nice that you're sharing this really openly,

801
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: because I think as well. In the world of social media,

802
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: some pods, you know, it's like there's a bit of

803
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 1: a front that's put up, and this is what I

804
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,439
Speaker 1: loved watching you on the show this way. You're like, well,

805
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 1: this is who I am. I'm honest, I've got integrity

806
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 1: and I'm going to give it to you no filter. Yeah,

807
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 1: and I think that that's going to keep you in

808
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: good stead for anything you choose to do.

809
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have sir. No, I don't hope, So I

810
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,240
Speaker 2: just let it go. I'm going to do the best

811
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 2: I can. I'll still be I'm always wearing my heart

812
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 2: on my sleeve. I'll stay true to myself and whatever

813
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 2: shows up and happens, I just got to trust that

814
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:34,280
Speaker 2: that's what's happening for me, for me for a reason.

815
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 2: It's not happening to me. It's not happening because I've

816
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 2: I fucked up somewhere in the past, or I made

817
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 2: a bad choice. I've just got to trust that. You know,

818
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 2: I'm here at this very moment, sitting with you, having

819
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 2: this podcast because maybe this story needs to be told.

820
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 2: Maybe someone is listening on the other end right now

821
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 2: that's very down and sad. Maybe they wanted to listen

822
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 2: to survivor maybe they want to apply for survivor. You know,

823
00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 2: there's so many reasons why we do things, and you know,

824
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 2: I just I'm just going to trust in myself and

825
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 2: look at it as a positive.

826
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, I love it. Can we talk a

827
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 1: little bit about You've got So You've got a three

828
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 1: So it's a three part short?

829
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's it's free, it's a it's a it's

830
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 2: like a three part psychological thriller series.

831
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: This the night shoot that you did.

832
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, So we did a night shoot here in la

833
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 2: that was Run. That was one that's already been released

834
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 2: and people can watch.

835
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:29,399
Speaker 1: There's no dialogue in Run.

836
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,879
Speaker 2: Is no dialogue in Run. The second one is called

837
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:33,479
Speaker 2: stop Watch.

838
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 1: So that trailer do that get dropped?

839
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 2: Really?

840
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 1: It's it's such shot.

841
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 2: So well, the boys who I worked with with that,

842
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 2: Jakie and Branna, they're very very talented.

843
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: Giving me Ryan Gosling drive.

844
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, it's it's super it's super powerful. We

845
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 2: shot that one in Kentucky. Another night shoot that is

846
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:00,760
Speaker 2: like rustic, old, beaten down diner and the story goes

847
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 2: I play the character of Cae Nestor and he's on

848
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 2: the run. Is he on the run from someone or

849
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 2: is he on the run from himself something you're probably

850
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 2: gonna have to figure out by watching it. It's a

851
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 2: really layered short and I love loved every part of it,

852
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 2: and this trailer for that and the short will probably

853
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 2: come out the next month.

854
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: How good. How did you prepare for that?

855
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 2: In terms of my acting preparation that well, because it

856
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:30,439
Speaker 2: was kind of the thing with this short is there's

857
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 2: not a lot of dialogue. So when you think about first,

858
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 2: people think, oh, well, if there's no dig it must

859
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,399
Speaker 2: be easy. I think it's hard because it's you're relying on.

860
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 1: Behavior and there's a saying most acting happens off the line.

861
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. Correct. So anyway, my preparation was, yeah, I probably

862
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 2: had to just go to I wouldn't say go to

863
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 2: some dark places, but I had to. I had to

864
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 2: put some of what I've learned in classes over the

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Speaker 2: years and read and kind of put myself off in

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00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 2: the shoes. It's it's Sam Webb really, at the end

867
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 2: of the day, in a short film, trying to bring

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00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 2: this character to life. That's really all it is. So

869
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 2: parts of me are coming through is angry, my angry self.

870
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 2: Part of me is coming through as my frustrated self,

871
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 2: my paranoid self. It's really all it is. And yeah,

872
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 2: I had to do background and make up. I did

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00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:23,879
Speaker 2: other things to like heighten the stakes and make it

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00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 2: cooler in my own mind. But that doesn't need to

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00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 2: be told for the audience to see. As long as

876
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 2: they are taken on a journey. Yeah, they're happy. That

877
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 2: means I've done my job. Yeah, and yeah, I create

878
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 2: this world. I created the world for Run. I didn't

879
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 2: create a bigger world for first stop Watch. And then

880
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 2: the last one is going to be called Wanderer, which

881
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 2: we're filmed as well, and that will be coming out

882
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:46,399
Speaker 2: later this year.

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Speaker 1: And where'd you film that?

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00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 2: That one was filmed at the desert in California out

885
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 2: that way. It's crazy too, that one's that one's an

886
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 2: absolute singer.

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00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 1: Oh, how good.

888
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 2: I'm it's really cool. GAT grateful to a part of it.

889
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 2: And then again, we'll just create and it's just amongst

890
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Speaker 2: the friends and we've come up with something pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: Oh I love it.

892
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:07,320
Speaker 2: Congratulation, Thank you appreciate it.

893
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 1: And I'm going to give you an early congratulations. You're

894
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: about to get married in Mexico. I've had I've been

895
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:21,839
Speaker 1: lucky enough to see wedding dress stuff and heard all

896
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: about the cakes.

897
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Speaker 2: Yeah, everything's locked in right now. There's no backing out.

898
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 2: There's no backing out right now. It's been a year

899
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 2: in the making. There's been a hell of a lot

900
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,839
Speaker 2: of things been planned for it. Like, I can't wait

901
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 2: to see my dad and my family had never been

902
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 2: in Mexico or even America out here. They get here

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00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 2: in two weeks and like my stuff before. Yeah, like

904
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 2: we're heading down to Mexico and then we're going to

905
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 2: stay at home and then we get onto the hotel

906
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 2: and get married and it's going to be amazing. We've

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00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 2: got like one hundred and twenty people, half of that

908
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 2: and from Australia making the trip over. So big love

909
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,919
Speaker 2: to you. Azzi's man. I mean, we love a holiday, don't.

910
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 2: He's the for a few days. It's going to be

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00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 2: a wild one.

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00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: I know, I bet, I bet?

913
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 2: Where were you Laala? You want to come? What she said? No?

914
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:10,240
Speaker 2: What a friend?

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00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: That is not true. We were having tacos and you

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00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 1: half invited me on having tacos. You're totally throwing me

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00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: on the bus for no fair. Rea.

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Speaker 2: I'll give you a I'll give you the online zoom link.

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00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 2: You can watch it.

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00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, sign me up, sign me up? Are we watching it?

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Speaker 1: But I am so happy for you both. You are

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00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:30,359
Speaker 1: both such wonderful people and you have been a really

923
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 1: great mate to me in a quite a lonely city,

924
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 1: and you inspire me to keep the fight up. So

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Speaker 1: thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: Oh thanks, Lola, thank you for having me on here.

927
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Speaker 2: I love it. It's always good to have a chat.

928
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Speaker 2: And you're a weapon and yourself and you're a jam.

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Speaker 2: So thank you.

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Speaker 1: Feeling to mutual my friends. That's a wrap on another

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Speaker 1: episode of Fearlessly Failing. As always, thank you to our guests,

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Speaker 1: and let's continue the conversation on Instagram. I'm Att Yamo Lola.

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Speaker 1: This party my work for podcast is available on all

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Speaker 1: streaming platforms. I'd love it if you could subscribe, rape

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Speaker 1: and comment, and of course spread the love.