1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: Well, it is the most listened to our and territory 2 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:04,960 Speaker 1: radio and there is a lot going on this week. 3 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 2: For the week. 4 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: That was in the studio with us this morning, the 5 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: Deputy Opposition Leader Jared Maylee, good morning. 6 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:11,880 Speaker 3: Good morning Katie, and good morning listeners. 7 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: Well and here from Alice Springs, we have got Robin Lamley, 8 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: Good morning to you, the Member for. 9 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:18,279 Speaker 4: Our Low Good morning Katie. 10 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: Lovely to have you in the studios from Central Australia. 11 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 2: The Attorney General Chancey PA good morning to. 12 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 5: You morning Katy. In a shout out to everyone tuned. 13 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: In, Yeah, everybody, Well, Central Australia representing this morning, and 14 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: we are expecting Matt Cunningham from Sky News to be 15 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: here in a couple of moments. But look, let's talk 16 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:38,879 Speaker 1: about the cyclone evacuation. I'm keen to get a bit 17 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 1: of an update because we know that evacuations are continuing 18 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:46,919 Speaker 1: in the inundated remote community of Boro Lula. Authorities expecting 19 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 1: the MacArthur River to hit a record flood peak sometime 20 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: yesterday afternoon following heavy rains associated with ex tropical Cyclone Megan. 21 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 5: Now. 22 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 2: About one hundred Boro Lula residents were. 23 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 1: Evacuated to Darwin the ADF aircraft on Wednesday evening, after 24 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 1: Emergency Services said the town, about fifty kilometers inland from 25 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: the Golf as we know, and surrounding regions were bracing 26 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: for a one in one hundred year flood. It has 27 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: been a very interesting time, to say the least for 28 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: the people of Borolula and surrounding areas. Chancy, do we 29 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: have any idea just how many have been evacuated now? 30 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 6: Yeah, so these planes have brought one hundred and thirty 31 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 6: people through to Darwin. The river was recorded to peak 32 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 6: at eighteen meters this morning, so certainly we've been doing 33 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 6: that evacuation plan rolling it through. 34 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 5: Four tons of water and. 35 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 6: Food have been brought into Borolula and they are obviously 36 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 6: monitoring those evacuations and getting people to the airport. Obviously, 37 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 6: some of the issues that the police have been working 38 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 6: around is getting people to the airport. 39 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 5: Having to get them in. 40 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 6: Across in some areas by boat to the airport has 41 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 6: been a bit of a challenge, but look they've got 42 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 6: it at hand and they're just working through it. 43 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: And look, criticism earlier in the week that the government 44 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: didn't move fast enough, or that authorities didn't move fast enough, 45 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:11,920 Speaker 1: and that there were hundreds of people sort of there, 46 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:14,839 Speaker 1: you know, waiting to be backed. Earlier in the week 47 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: before the cyclone hit. The ide of plane circling around 48 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: unable to land, I mean, should the government have moved faster? Oh? 49 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 6: Look again, the government didn't work through based on the 50 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 6: recommendations that were coming through part of the emergency management plans, 51 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 6: working with the Bureau of Meteorology and certainly putting in 52 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 6: the notifications to the ADF around getting those planes organized. Obviously, 53 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 6: the weather is something that you know, we can try 54 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 6: as best we can to predict its pattern and its flows. 55 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 6: But certainly the response has been adequate. Absolutely working through 56 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 6: now that we're in a different phase of the emergency 57 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 6: management plans around the floods, and certainly watching that that 58 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 6: is a weather pattern that has been moving across the 59 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:02,559 Speaker 6: territory in plan and activating plans. 60 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 5: For other parts of the territory. 61 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 7: Yeah, it's interesting the chance, he says, is adequate because 62 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 7: I saw some footage and I spoke to some people 63 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 7: in relation to it, and on the Sunday when the 64 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 7: wind was starting to blow up, that's when evacuation should 65 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,239 Speaker 7: have been ordered, not on the Monday, because the Monday came, 66 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 7: the wind was there, the clouds were low, the rain 67 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 7: was there, and these planes couldn't come. And just have 68 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 7: to look at the track record in relation to the 69 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 7: labor government and these emergencies. You know, look what happened 70 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 7: when they moved the people to Howard Springs. There was 71 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 7: a disaster there. Those people were put at risk. There 72 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 7: was alcohol, there was domestic violence. Pigeonhole was a disaster, 73 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 7: The VIC Highway was a disaster. We had people basically 74 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 7: helicopters flying over them leaving them screening. 75 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: Are we expecting in total and are they just staying 76 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: at Fosky Pavilion or are they also going to. 77 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 2: Be at Marara. And Matt Cunningham has just joined us 78 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 2: as well. 79 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 8: Just I've literally been out there filing on this story. 80 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 8: So my understanding was that there's about three hundred and 81 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 8: I think it's three hundred and fifty nine and forty 82 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 8: eight who were flown in last night. The last plane 83 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 8: came in yesterday evening just after seven, I think, so 84 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 8: there were a bit over one hundred who were flown 85 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 8: out the day before, and then another two hundred and 86 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 8: fifty year roughly flown out last night. At the moment, 87 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 8: I think they're all at Fosky Pavilion, but marras set 88 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 8: up just in case they need that space as well. 89 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 8: And Matt Hollanby was saying at the press conference last 90 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:27,039 Speaker 8: night that there's no evacuations at the moment for other communities, 91 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 8: but they are keeping it close eye on places like Calgaryine, Pigeonhole, 92 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 8: Daga Argue in case there's flooding because that area has 93 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 8: already been flooded by tropical cyclone or x tropical cycling. 94 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 4: Yeah. 95 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: Look, it's an interesting time to say the least, and 96 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 1: we are expecting that it's going to mean a bit 97 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: of rain for you guys in Central Australia as well 98 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 1: over the coming days and no doubt going to be 99 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 1: interesting to see how our roads are tracking as well 100 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: in terms of supplies supplies of food. So we'll keep 101 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: a really close eye on things. But look we're going 102 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 1: to take a really quick break when. 103 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 2: We come back. 104 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 1: There is so much to cover off this week when 105 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 1: you talk about int politics, so stick around. 106 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 2: Lots to discuss. 107 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: Well, if you have just joined us this morning in 108 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 1: the studio, we've got Jared Maylee Robin Lamley, Matt Cunningham 109 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 1: and Chancey Paike and Well. Late yesterday Steve Edgington notified 110 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,159 Speaker 1: the Leader of the Opposition that he's resigned from the 111 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: role of Shadow Minister for Prevention of Domestic Family and 112 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 1: Sexual Violence. He said, I will not let a job 113 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 1: title distract debate on what is a critical crisis across 114 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 1: the Northern Territory. I've always been and will continue to 115 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: be a strong advocate for driving down the shocking rates 116 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 1: of domestic family and sexual violence, which have increased by 117 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: eighty three percent under the last eight years of labor, 118 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 1: he says. Now we know that the country liberal parties well. 119 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 1: Steve Edgington had resisted calls earlier in the week to resign, 120 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 1: claiming that he did not know the extent of his 121 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 1: staff as criminal history. So the Aboriginal liaison officer for 122 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: the Barkley electorate, Well, he was suspended without pay on 123 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: Wednesday morning after it was field that he'd been jailed 124 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: three times in the past four years for breaching bail 125 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 1: and domestic violence orders. Now, this was an issue that 126 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: was certainly discussed at length throughout Parliament throughout the week 127 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: and I've got to say it got to a point 128 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 1: where the you know, the whole debate. I played some 129 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:22,159 Speaker 1: of the audio yesterday. It was pretty wild, to put 130 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 1: it mildly. But first off, do we think that Steve's 131 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 1: done the right thing here? 132 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 4: Absolutely, he's done the right thing. In fact, I think 133 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 4: Labour need to take a page out of Steve's book. 134 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 4: Finally he's owned the fact that he's made a couple 135 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 4: of pretty bad decisions and he's withdrawn from that portfolio. Labor, 136 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 4: on the other hand, have a police minister that is 137 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 4: sitting in the back row there in the chamber with 138 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 4: a long history of racism and sexism and all sorts 139 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:52,359 Speaker 4: of other isms that is reflecting very badly on the 140 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 4: integrity of the government. So good on Steve. 141 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 7: And I think Steve in relation to this, you know, 142 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 7: he made a decision might have been wrong. But ultimately 143 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 7: this is a it's such an important issue that we 144 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:03,840 Speaker 7: can't let the media talk about Steve and the distraction. 145 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 3: That's because that's what Labour want. 146 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 7: They don't want Labor talking about themselves because of the 147 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:08,479 Speaker 7: stuff up to they've made. 148 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 3: They haven't owned it. 149 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 7: Where Steve realized he'd made a mistake, he's gone in 150 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 7: he's done it, so we can really focus on domestic violence. 151 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 7: We know the rates have gone up eighty three percent 152 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:19,679 Speaker 7: under Labor, and labor we've cut it, They've failed territory. 153 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 7: So instead of talking about the issue and actually dealing 154 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 7: with it, what Labor tried to do this week is 155 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 7: talk about Steve trying to cover up their own face. 156 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 8: The media want to talk about the issue generally, and 157 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 8: I can't fathom and try and explain it to me, Jared, 158 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 8: how you can know that a guy has got two 159 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 8: domestic violence offenses and then you still hire him in 160 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 8: that role where he's traveling around bush communities where we 161 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 8: know DV is prevalent. But I just don't understand how 162 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 8: it could happen in the first place. 163 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 7: Well, we don't know the facts of what how, what 164 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 7: the offenses are, all the facts in the know that 165 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 7: he breached domestic violence, Say is enough enough and put 166 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 7: someone out there on the rope and never give him 167 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 7: a chance? 168 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 3: Spoken is Steve Hall asked me a question. 169 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 7: Stephen had a decision, he made a risk assessment. I 170 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 7: spoke to him about it, and he said, it's an 171 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 7: opportunity to get this to break the cycle and that's 172 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 7: what he did. 173 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 5: So you just said that you spoke to him about it. 174 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 6: He just said earlier that he didn't know about it. 175 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 6: It's a little bit of mis truths there now. You know, 176 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 6: and I know, and everyone in this room knows. Tenant 177 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 6: Creek is a small town. It's a bit like Alice Springs. 178 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 6: Everyone knows everyone's business. The Member for Barkley's electorate office 179 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 6: is fifty meters down from the local court. You know 180 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:33,839 Speaker 6: who's coming in and who's coming out. And absolutely this 181 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 6: is smoke and mirrors from the COLP because he's still 182 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 6: remaining in the shadow portfolio of the Attorney General, the 183 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:46,079 Speaker 6: potential first law officer of the territory. And domestic and 184 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:50,079 Speaker 6: family violence absolutely is the rates of this around the 185 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 6: nation are discussing. 186 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 5: A woman loses. 187 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 6: Her life every week across the country to domestic and 188 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 6: family violence. And we have the Member for Barkley who 189 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:04,839 Speaker 6: has employed someone who is stood down with pay in 190 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 6: this area. 191 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 5: He has not sapped that point. 192 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: I will say Jared that earlier in the week, a 193 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 1: simple Google search of this person's name and I found 194 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: the court lease from earlier two weeks ago that actually 195 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:22,599 Speaker 1: showed that he was appearing in court as well, and 196 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 1: Steve then revealed on the show that yes, he appeared 197 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: for high range Drenk driving. I mean, look, at the 198 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 1: end of the day, he's employed somebody that he should 199 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:34,199 Speaker 1: not have employed. By the sounds of it. He should 200 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: have done his due diligence. He should have actually done 201 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 1: a proper check. I think you can literally, quite literally 202 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:41,719 Speaker 1: google someone's name. 203 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 8: He knew that there were two offenses there, and he's 204 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 8: still hiding. 205 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, he admitted that. 206 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: But then also it was revealed, I believe yesterday that 207 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: he had gone into business with somebody else who allegedly 208 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 1: also had had some kind. 209 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 4: Of back in twenty sixteen. Yeah, I mean that was 210 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 4: before he was even a member of parliament. Steve has 211 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 4: done the wrong thing. He's owned up to it. He's 212 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:09,079 Speaker 4: acknowledged that he made a poor judgment decision. He's employed 213 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 4: this guy thinking that he'd give him the benefit of 214 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 4: the doubt. He was on Radio ABC Radio yesterday. I 215 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 4: think it was saying that that at what point do 216 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:21,679 Speaker 4: you give someone a break and give them a pathway 217 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 4: forward after what he thought was a completed sentence and story. 218 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 4: Over Look, I'm not going to defend Steve, But I 219 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:31,559 Speaker 4: do think he's done the right thing from stepping out 220 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 4: of this portfolio. Let's just go back a couple of 221 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 4: years and look at what's happened in the history of 222 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 4: the labor books. They had Kent Row there, who was 223 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:45,479 Speaker 4: a sex offender, who went to jail for historical sex offenses. 224 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 4: What happened as a result of that in the labor 225 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 4: ranks absolutely nothing, And yet he was the party leader 226 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 4: and he was the chief advisor to the then Chief 227 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 4: Minister Michael Gunner. Nothing happened a much more severe store 228 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 4: of possibly harboring a criminal. 229 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:05,959 Speaker 2: And look the thing is as well. 230 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 1: I think it's worth pointing out right now that it 231 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 1: was raised by our listeners earlier in the week. 232 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:12,199 Speaker 2: One of our listeners message through and see. 233 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:15,079 Speaker 1: Katie, how low can the bar go when you talk 234 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 1: about some of the behavior that we're seeing from politicians 235 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 1: in the Northern Territory. And he had said, you know, 236 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 1: they could be having a game of limbo right now, 237 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: and that relates to Chancey your shares, that relates to 238 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: the situation that we saw with Brent Potter. Obviously, with 239 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 1: those posts, we also know that Joshua Burgoyne had to 240 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:37,679 Speaker 1: face court just a week or so ago. I mean, 241 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:40,559 Speaker 1: we are in a situation right now where Territorians are 242 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: literally screaming out going just do your bloody jobs. Just 243 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 1: get on with actually doing what people want you. 244 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 8: To do it do your jobs. But I think accountability 245 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 8: absolutely when something is revealed, like. 246 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 2: If you've done the wrong thing, front up. 247 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 8: And standing Jared and correct me if I'm wrong. But 248 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 8: my understanding is that Steve Edgington offered to resign from 249 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:08,679 Speaker 8: all of his portfolios, and that his cabinet is party 250 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 8: wing members talk him out of that. 251 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 3: But his decision is that he resigned from that one. 252 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,079 Speaker 8: Because did he offer to resign from all of them? 253 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 3: Well, you have to talk to him about that. 254 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 7: But I'm asking you, you know, I'm saying what happened 255 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 7: radio that he resigned because he knew and a chance 256 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 7: he was speaking about a small town. But if you 257 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 7: talk about Brent Potter when he brought those shares, you 258 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:31,079 Speaker 7: talk about the theory I've been a small office. Well, 259 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 7: he was an advisor in the small offers and the 260 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:36,079 Speaker 7: government's response was he wasn't advising in that particular section. 261 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 7: So if you want to use the theory that chance 262 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 7: he just put out the attendant creeks a small town. Well, 263 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 7: that office is a small town where in the policemanister. 264 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 1: He can't look just one situation because there is there 265 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: is a lot to cover off here. 266 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:55,679 Speaker 2: And don't worry, We've got time. I've already played a set. 267 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: Of ads, So, Jared, I do want to ask, firstly, 268 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 1: so is Matt Wright Steve try to stand down all together? 269 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 3: Well, Steve made all sorts of different things. 270 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 7: He was talking about doing one, he's talking about staying there, 271 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 7: but his decision in the end was to stand down 272 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 7: for one. 273 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 8: It's an important test here because we give this mold 274 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 8: chances of a hard time all the time about openness, transparency, 275 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 8: being up front. It's a simple question. Did he offer 276 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:19,319 Speaker 8: to stand down from Ulipo. 277 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 3: He didn't offer, but he spoke about it. 278 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 7: So he didn't say you would, but he certainly spoke 279 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 7: about it, but he said in the end his decision 280 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:25,559 Speaker 7: is to stand down from one. 281 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 6: I think, Katie, we're also talking about, you know, about 282 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 6: accountability and. 283 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: Robin, please tell the integrity as well, because the question from. 284 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 6: You this month as well that Robin has raised around 285 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 6: you know doing the right thing, Well, you know I 286 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 6: met with the domestic and family violence sector this week 287 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 6: for a separate matter. But the fact is that, following 288 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 6: the allegations that the Member for Barkley has been in 289 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:53,680 Speaker 6: broad in, he has still not reached out to the 290 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 6: domestic and family violence sector to talk to them. Because 291 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 6: what we know is that this staff member that he 292 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 6: was carting around he was taking to events in Tenant 293 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 6: Creek where there were women who were previously felt unsafe 294 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 6: because of that environment. 295 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 5: So we do need to actually make a point. 296 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 6: Yet, Brent Potter is absolutely meeting with the domestic and 297 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 6: family violence sector to talk about the issues that have 298 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 6: arisen out. 299 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 4: Of those axonerate him. 300 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 5: I'm not saying that. 301 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 6: It does, but it gives what that sector need is 302 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 6: a chance to absolutely talk to those individuals and absolutely 303 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 6: tell them how they're feeling and how the events that 304 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 6: have unfolded this week have made them feel, and how 305 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 6: they want things to change. 306 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 4: If anyone needs to go, it's Brent Potter, not just 307 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 4: from his portfolio of police but also completely from the cabinet. 308 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 4: His behavior is despicable. 309 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 6: Brent has absolutely been out, He faced the media and 310 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 6: been out to all. 311 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 5: Of those sectors of the community. 312 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 6: To absolutely talk about those posts from from years ago, 313 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 6: and absolutely there's still. 314 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: The opportunity actually to ask about it. Chatsy, how did 315 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 1: you feel about his posts? Like, how do you actually 316 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: feel about them? Because you and I have spoken before, 317 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 1: and you've spoken about, you know, about race based politics 318 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: and the fact that you don't like, you know, people 319 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 1: bringing up things like race. You've talked about that when 320 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 1: you talk about alcohol legislation and that kind of thing. 321 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 1: So how did you feel about it when you saw 322 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: these posts? 323 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 6: I'm black, I'm gay, my father is German, and I've 324 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 6: got Jewish families. Absolutely, Katie, when we talking about this issue, 325 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 6: I wasn't happy. I spent a number of hours talking 326 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 6: to the member for Fanny Bay and looking at talking 327 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 6: about what I wanted to do. 328 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: With that, with your personal experience and with your background, 329 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: what did you say to him? 330 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 6: Look, I told him that I was obviously hurt by 331 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 6: what I had seen and heard, and I told him 332 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 6: absolutely that I wanted to make sure that he was 333 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 6: absolutely facing the music and talking to the groups in 334 00:15:56,640 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 6: our community who had been absolutely directly hurt by what 335 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 6: he had said. 336 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 2: And was he told to pull his head in Look. 337 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 6: I've absolutely had a very firm conversation with him. But 338 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 6: I've also worked with him as a colleague and he 339 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 6: was very supportive of me putting through the anti discrimination 340 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 6: legislation that he was a member of our government with. 341 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 6: And you know, I'll say now, every member of the Parliament, 342 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 6: as we've just heard being talk about here, deserves a 343 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 6: second chance. 344 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 5: And I think. 345 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 8: Steve Edgings says with Darius Plumber, well, I thought he 346 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 8: deserved a second chance because you know, he's a you know, 347 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 8: he's obviously got issues in his past. 348 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 5: But I want to get into that's more than that 349 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 5: second chance. 350 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 8: I'm just using your I'm just using your analogy and 351 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 8: what you say with Brent Potter. I mean, how many 352 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 8: times did Brent Potter post racist, homophobic, sexist, misogynistic, anti 353 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 8: Semitic stuff on Facebook? 354 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 5: I mean again, and the other. 355 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 7: Question, che were you acted the same it was a 356 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 7: CLP person who posted those things when you said the 357 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 7: same thing, kept quiet or would you have been out 358 00:16:58,240 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 7: there in the media. 359 00:16:59,080 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 5: Mate. 360 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 6: I think if we looked at the CLP's post is 361 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 6: probably a few members of yours there. 362 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:04,640 Speaker 3: But I'm talking about I'm talking about this particular one. 363 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:06,640 Speaker 7: If that was the saying if the CELP married post 364 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 7: of those posts, will you remained quiet of the LPA 365 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 7: member or just you remain quiet because it's a Labor member. 366 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 6: Well, i'd absolutely talk to that CLP member who it was, 367 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 6: as I talked to the member for Fanny Bay and 368 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 6: said that this is what you need to absolutely do, 369 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 6: and now this is what he's done. 370 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 4: You can see how hypocritical this sounds. Chancey. 371 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 6: I absolutely would be talking to the CLP member who 372 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 6: had made those comments and say. 373 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:32,919 Speaker 1: All right, when you were skirting around it. But the 374 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,719 Speaker 1: thing is, the Labor government came in on a promise 375 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:39,679 Speaker 1: of being open, transparent, honest, and we've now got a 376 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 1: situation where Steve Edgington has you know, I stepped away 377 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:47,199 Speaker 1: from that portfolio. But we've seen obviously from you just 378 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 1: a few weeks ago, the situation with the shares fiasco. 379 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 1: You still haven't told us whether you did declare at 380 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 1: the beginning of all of those cabinet meetings around discussions 381 00:17:56,119 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 1: with alcohol legislation or the stronger futures legislation, whether you declared. 382 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:01,199 Speaker 2: That in those meetings. 383 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 1: We now know the IYEKAC isn't able to access you 384 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:06,719 Speaker 1: know Cabinet documents. I don't know whether it's into that 385 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 1: particular issue or something else. But then we've also got 386 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 1: a situation where you've got Brent Potter, that's obviously you know, 387 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: I posted these posts. We've still got like members of 388 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,439 Speaker 1: the community that message through to say, Katie, I cannot 389 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 1: believe he's been able to retain his position. I am 390 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:25,880 Speaker 1: personally offended by different things that he has said, particularly 391 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:27,879 Speaker 1: when he joined us on the week that was and 392 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 1: spoke further about the posts that had been put up, 393 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 1: you know, that were anti Semitic, and had sort of 394 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 1: said that part of that was related to his train 395 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 1: of thought I guess to paraphrase here when he was 396 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:43,159 Speaker 1: a member of the ADF. So you've now got a 397 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 1: situation where the COLP, Steve Edgington, has been prepared to. 398 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 2: Fall on his sword, albeit a paper cut. 399 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 1: You know, he's not totally stepping aside, but he's doing that. 400 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 1: But members of the Labor Party seem like they are 401 00:18:56,560 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: not prepared to front up and actually do what's right. 402 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 5: Katie. 403 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 6: I have always declared they were on the members register 404 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:08,360 Speaker 6: of interest where anyone could are on. 405 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 5: There for years. 406 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 6: As I've said always, I have always declared whether there's 407 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:17,400 Speaker 6: a possible, perceived or real conflict that you did not. 408 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,919 Speaker 4: Recuse yourself from the debate around alcohol strategy. 409 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:24,400 Speaker 7: And that's where the problem is, trying to make money 410 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 7: out of the c trying to do money. 411 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:31,439 Speaker 6: For the inability that the Member for Barkley took a 412 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 6: DV perpetrator that he was employing around to events in 413 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 6: direct putting direct women in harm's way. 414 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 5: That's what the story. 415 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 1: So then we did see and Matt, you may have 416 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:43,679 Speaker 1: it on you at the moment, we did see the 417 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 1: response from the Senator just Enter Price earlier in the 418 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:48,640 Speaker 1: week because I know earlier in the week you had 419 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 1: said throughout Parliament you'd called the Country Liberal Party the 420 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 1: criminal Liberal Party I think it was, and you had asked, 421 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 1: you'd ask the question, how would the Senator of the 422 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 1: Northern Territory just Into Price respond what had happened? Matt, 423 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:03,120 Speaker 1: I don't know whether you've got that response in front 424 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 1: of you or you don't. 425 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,399 Speaker 8: I don't, but I do think on the broader issue 426 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 8: because Chancey you had a decent crack in Parliament at 427 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 8: the CLP on this issue and you called them the 428 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 8: criminal Liberal Party and various other things and said that 429 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:20,640 Speaker 8: they didn't care about victims of domestic and family violence. 430 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 8: But I just wonder how that weighs up with the 431 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 8: eual government's decision not to put those alcohol bands back 432 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 8: in place in Alice Springs for so long when you had, 433 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:30,159 Speaker 8: I mean, just think the price in their maiden speech, 434 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,640 Speaker 8: Marion Scrimger in air maiden speech, I've just got that here. 435 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 8: I mean, this is what she said, Marian Scrimshaw in July, 436 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 8: late July last year, just after those bands had been lifted. 437 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 8: She said, when a government puts in a protective regime 438 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 8: of that kind and leaves it in place for that long, 439 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 8: you can't just suddenly pull the pin on it without 440 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 8: any protection, sanctuary, or plan for the vulnerable women and 441 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:52,959 Speaker 8: children whom the original measure was supposed to protect. To 442 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 8: do that is more than negligent at the level of 443 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 8: impact on actual lives, It is tantamount to causing injury 444 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 8: by omesh. That's Marian Scrims' standing up in the Federal 445 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 8: Parliament late July twenty twenty two. And your government didn't 446 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:08,679 Speaker 8: do anything until Elbow came to town in January. 447 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:12,439 Speaker 6: So let's make it clear the stronger futures legislation is 448 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 6: Commonwealth legislation that the Commonwealth. 449 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:20,120 Speaker 5: Did not they walked away from that as a government. 450 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 6: The government absolutely, I do support alcohol restrictions as long 451 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:31,400 Speaker 6: as they're blanket prohibitions and they're not targeting Aboriginal people. 452 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:35,919 Speaker 6: Directly bring in alcohol restrictions for everyone, not just Aboriginal people. 453 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 6: And the government did bring in alcohol measures. 454 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 4: Another one has failed domestic violence victims more than your government, 455 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 4: and you personally to be back right across more domestics 456 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 4: than you were responsible. 457 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 2: Well, look, we are going to take a quick break. 458 00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: There is still so much to discuss this morning, and 459 00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: we we are going to talk a little bit more 460 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: about alcohol policy in a minute when we talk about 461 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,439 Speaker 1: the palis on those bottle shops in Alice Springs, but 462 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: also very keen to discuss the school lockdown that had 463 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,360 Speaker 1: to happen a little earlier this week after a thirteen 464 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 1: year old who doesn't attend school allegedly punched four students, 465 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 1: sparking a lockdown. 466 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 2: That's coming your way in just a moment. 467 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 1: And as I said earlier, it has been an incredibly 468 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 1: busy week. Now if you've just joined us, we've got 469 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 1: the Attorney General Chancey Paik. We've got Matt cunning Had 470 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 1: from Sky News. We've got the Independent member Farra Lun 471 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:32,399 Speaker 1: Robin Lamley and the Deputy Opposition Leader Jared Mayley in 472 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:32,919 Speaker 1: the studio. 473 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 2: Now. 474 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 1: Earlier in the week and yesterday we spoke to two 475 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 1: anti Catholic schools about o'lachland Catholic College in Darwin being 476 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 1: sent into a lockdown earlier in the week after youth 477 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 1: entered the school grounds. Now the thirteen year old who 478 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 1: does not attend the school, allegedly punched four students, sparking 479 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 1: the lockdown. Police entered, they attended and the lockdown was 480 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 1: lifted a short time later. Investigations are indeed ongoing. We've 481 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,199 Speaker 1: had a number of parents getting contact with us about this. 482 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,120 Speaker 2: We've had, you know, we've. 483 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: Had quite a few people speak to us about this 484 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,400 Speaker 1: who are really pretty mortified at the fact that they. 485 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:11,199 Speaker 2: Sent their kids to school. 486 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: You know, a kid that does not go to the school, 487 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: that is unknown from what we are told by the students, 488 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 1: then getting in and assaulting them. And it's not the 489 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: first time that we've seen kids who should be at 490 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: school doing the wrong thing. I mean, it's been well 491 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,440 Speaker 1: documented on this show just in the last month alone, 492 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: the different occasions where you've got kids that should actually 493 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,360 Speaker 1: be at school that are then engaging in bad behavior. 494 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,680 Speaker 1: But I think it reaches a whole new level when 495 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 1: they're then actually impacting on other kids who are doing 496 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:43,360 Speaker 1: the right thing, who are actually in their school. It's 497 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 1: your worst night me as a parent, to send your 498 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 1: kid to school and have something happen to them through 499 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: absolutely no fault of their own. 500 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 7: This is another classic example of the failure of the 501 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 7: labor government. You know, there's about consequences for these youth 502 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 7: offenders going and they think they're untouchable. Now, Katie, and 503 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 7: I'm sure we all hear story, you know, about what's happened, 504 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 7: and these kids just do what they want because they 505 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 7: think I'm not going to get into trouble. And I 506 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 7: speak to lawyers and I speak to a police officers say, 507 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 7: these kids just really go there and they flaun the 508 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,360 Speaker 7: fact that they're untouchable in this labor government of raise 509 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 7: the age criminal responsibility, taking away breach of fail You know, 510 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,200 Speaker 7: there's been a bail review which was no recommendations at all. 511 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 7: Now they're doing a youth justice review because they changed 512 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:24,880 Speaker 7: the law in twenty nineteen. We had a bailer review 513 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 7: last year, no recommending. Now I heard the Chief Menster 514 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 7: sale maybe there's going to be some sort of special 515 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:30,959 Speaker 7: youth bail Why can it happen last year? Why are 516 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:32,920 Speaker 7: we're doing it now? Why are these children having to 517 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 7: get a soldered at school? And the answer is because 518 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:36,360 Speaker 7: they've becoming a failed territory. 519 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 1: The interesting thing I think that we're seeing as well 520 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,440 Speaker 1: as in New South Wales, the Labor government in New 521 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: South Wales and making some fairly significant changes. Chris Means 522 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: is making some significant changes and I will say that 523 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 1: he has got different groups of like of lawyers, child 524 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,159 Speaker 1: advocates screaming out at him, telling him not to do it, 525 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,119 Speaker 1: but he's realizing that hang on, there actually is some 526 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,199 Speaker 1: change that needs to come into play here because we 527 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 1: can't continue down the that we are where there is 528 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,440 Speaker 1: harm being caused to a lot of victims. You know, 529 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 1: there's so much sort of going on for them, and 530 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: it is a similar situation here in the northern territory 531 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 1: where there is so much going on and people are 532 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 1: literally screaming out for help. I mean in New South 533 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 1: Wales they have said that they're amending the Bail Act, 534 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 1: So it's going to They're going to amend the Bail 535 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 1: Act to include a temporary addition bail test for young 536 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 1: people between fourteen and eighteen charged with committing certain serious 537 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 1: break and enter offenses or motivehicle theft defenses while on 538 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,919 Speaker 1: bail for the same offenses. So it means that the 539 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 1: bail authorities such as police, magistrates, judges, they're going to 540 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 1: need to have a high degree of confidence that the 541 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:44,920 Speaker 1: young person will not commit a further serious offense. Now 542 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:49,359 Speaker 1: there is also a new offense for posting and boasting, 543 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,160 Speaker 1: So the new South Wales government is going to introduce 544 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: legislation that will create a new offense in the Crimes 545 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 1: Act imposing an additional penalty of two years imprisonment for 546 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,879 Speaker 1: people who commit motive theft or break and enter offenses 547 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: and share material to advertise their involvement. 548 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,639 Speaker 4: That sounds good, Katie, and we definitely need that in 549 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 4: Alice Springs. Chance he's nodding. We know that a lot 550 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 4: of the crimes that are committed by kids young people 551 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 4: in Alice Springs are reported widely through social media. They 552 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 4: get a lot of satisfaction. In fact, I'd go as 553 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 4: far to say they get all their satisfaction from posting 554 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,400 Speaker 4: those sorts of things their criminal behavior, and it has 555 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 4: to stop. 556 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 5: Yeah. Look, I actually not disagree agree in chancing with Robin. 557 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 5: I think we need need to look at it. 558 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 6: I think there's a whole bunch where certainly reaching out 559 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,439 Speaker 6: to New South Wales, understanding those changes and looking at 560 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 6: how we can look at those here. Because Robin is 561 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 6: when she's talking about it, it's young people posting and 562 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 6: boasting and encouraging other people to do that type of thing. 563 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:50,640 Speaker 5: It's completely unacceptable. 564 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,400 Speaker 6: But also young people are looking at what people are 565 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:57,439 Speaker 6: posting about when they unfortunately and sadly have been broken 566 00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:58,160 Speaker 6: into and they. 567 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 5: Know they're getting they're getting a kick out of it. 568 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,440 Speaker 6: So looking at those social media laws is really important. 569 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 6: Even you know, people tiktoking videos around what's happening is unacceptable. 570 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 1: I think my kids have shown me videos before on 571 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:17,400 Speaker 1: TikTok of kids going up to security guards in Casuarina, 572 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 1: for example, you know, trying to assault them. 573 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 8: So far behind on the technology, it's not funny, you know. 574 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 8: I see TikTok videos when they finally make their way 575 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 8: through to the Boomer's favorite social media channel of choice, Facebook, 576 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 8: but the ones where people are waiting for kids to 577 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 8: get off buses and then they're attacking them from my 578 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,120 Speaker 8: mind and posting it on TikTok. 579 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:39,879 Speaker 3: I mean, it's just like. 580 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 5: Everyone is in agreeance. We do need to do the work, 581 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:44,640 Speaker 5: and I think we. 582 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 1: Can text asking this question from when Natasha Files was 583 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:49,919 Speaker 1: the Chief Minister. 584 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 2: So I actually can't understand why it's taking so long. 585 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,880 Speaker 1: I can't understand why we've got to see what somebody 586 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:56,879 Speaker 1: does in another state before we go all right, we 587 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: should do this too, Like let's be brave, let's. 588 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 4: Keep bleeding the way. 589 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 7: You know, this government has been in power for eight years. 590 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:04,680 Speaker 7: Why are we doing it now? Why has it taken 591 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 7: so long? Why is the people in our spring someone 592 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 7: got killed, you know when the car rolled on them, 593 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 7: you know, getting a soldier and these children, that affects 594 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,400 Speaker 7: them for a long time. Why has it taken eight 595 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 7: years for this labor government to even look at something 596 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:18,920 Speaker 7: else about doing it. They had a bail review, remember 597 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 7: us year, there's no recommendation, so they had the opportunity, and. 598 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 4: That opportunity, Katie, we've got to go back to good 599 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 4: old fashion, common sense. We've got to go back to 600 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:31,160 Speaker 4: good old fashioned discipline where there are consequences. I think 601 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 4: the best thing you can do for kids when they 602 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 4: misbehave is disciplined them. I'm not saying throw them in jail, 603 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 4: but we just have to go back to really basic 604 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 4: principles and that's what we've lost in the Northern Territory chancy. 605 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 2: How soon. 606 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 6: That the new Chief Minister is absolutely really committed to 607 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 6: doing this in this space, I think talking about what 608 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 6: Robin's been talking about as well. 609 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 5: You know, it's we've been out. 610 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 6: I've been out with the Chief Minister to meetings with 611 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 6: average organizations and communities and land councils, and one of 612 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 6: the issues people talk about is being able to discipline 613 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,959 Speaker 6: their kids and being you know, the fear of not 614 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,720 Speaker 6: being able to do it as a result of the intervention. 615 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 6: Now Robin is right, you actually can discipline your child. 616 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 6: Under the Care and Protection Act, you are allowed to 617 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 6: discipline your child. There is a miss I think understanding 618 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 6: of what discipline means. You know, you can you can 619 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 6: discipline your child. You just can't, you know, belp them 620 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,479 Speaker 6: with a chain and those types of things. But you 621 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 6: can discipline your child. I think also the foundation here 622 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 6: is just acknowledging. We started off the question about o'lachland College. 623 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 6: They did have emergency management plans there. They did, emergency 624 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 6: services were called. 625 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 2: The school did everything they need. 626 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 6: Investigations afloat the young person thirteen is criminally response and 627 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 6: will be going through the processes as an outcome. 628 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 1: Do you know what the punishment is or do you 629 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 1: know where we're at with those charges already say that'll be. 630 00:29:58,720 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 5: A matter that's with the police. 631 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 6: When those charges are pressed, it will be a matter 632 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 6: of again for the court. I think Jared's point the 633 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 6: Chief Minister has been very clear with standing up this 634 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 6: Youth Bail Review and the number. 635 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 5: That the people relied people. 636 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 6: The Chief Minister said that absolutely we want to purpose 637 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 6: Youth Bail Act rather than just using the entire ballet. 638 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 3: Complete at the end of this year you already happened. 639 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 6: The point is that this is an opportunity for Jared Mainlee, 640 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 6: for Robin Lamley, for you know, Matt Cunningham and everyone 641 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 6: in the community to actually put in a submission to 642 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 6: that that the review can look at and work through. 643 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 7: You're the government, why you've got to leave us to 644 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 7: fix it, way to fix it. We know there's been 645 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 7: a youth buyol review. Why don't you release that? How 646 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 7: long it's just wor. 647 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 5: Based on no evidence? 648 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 6: Now position you said to me in a briefing consult 649 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 6: you said, can you developed legislation? 650 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 3: Garanty? 651 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 8: Do you think Chancy that the bail laws are working 652 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 8: as they should be at the moment, because I know, 653 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 8: even with the new South Wales thing, I mean the 654 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 8: discretion still lies with the judge. Even in that case 655 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 8: where there's a second serious offense after the first one 656 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 8: was on bail. It just says the judge has to 657 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,959 Speaker 8: have high confidence that there won't be reoffending. We've got 658 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 8: presumption against bail here. But I mean you spoke about 659 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 8: this case earlier this week. Cap There was a case 660 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 8: that went through the Supreme Court earlier this month, Chancing 661 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 8: where there was a fourteen year old and seriously it 662 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 8: was like seven times serious violent offending, seven times bail, bail, bail, bail, bail, bail, bail, Like, 663 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 8: do you think that's acceptable and that's working? 664 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 6: Look, we've got the new Chief Minister has absolutely initiated 665 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 6: this review. 666 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 5: She said to the review, I. 667 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 6: Want you to absolutely look at the development of a 668 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 6: Youth Bail Act to address any of the outlying concerns 669 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 6: we've brought in the presumptions against bail. There's always going 670 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 6: to need to be at work in this space. But 671 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 6: you know, we also need to look at what additional 672 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 6: supports we can put in for the judiciary to have 673 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 6: a range of options to. 674 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 5: Bail young people too. 675 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 6: That's what the youth residential Justice facilities are as well, 676 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 6: options for the judiciary to sentence young people to or 677 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 6: to bail young people to where they have an environment, 678 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,480 Speaker 6: where they've got accommodation and where they can receive programs. 679 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 7: You said that you weren't going to write radio you 680 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 7: can responsibility and bring it into how these programs in 681 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 7: place come in and programs aren't in place, so these 682 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 7: children have got nothing consequence. 683 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 6: No consequence is absolutely absolutely consequences, and there are absolutely 684 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 6: programs and if you actually got. 685 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 5: Out of your services sector, it's a range of programs. 686 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 1: The problem though that we've got at the moment is 687 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 1: that the community doesn't feel as though the response from 688 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 1: the government is strong enough now to those four kids 689 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 1: that got punched in the face earlier this week. You know, 690 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 1: I'll step away from what adults think right now, And 691 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 1: I would go so far as to say, how does 692 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 1: a kid feel then when something like that happens to them? 693 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 1: If there is not a consequence to the child that's 694 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 1: saying jump the fence. From what our listeners have said 695 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,479 Speaker 1: with an ankle monitoring bracelet on, I do not have 696 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 1: that confirmed. But jump the fence, punch them in the face. 697 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 1: You know, how can the kids on the receiving end 698 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 1: of that be sure that something like that's not going 699 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 1: to happen to them again, but also that there is 700 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 1: a consequence, because you know, I'm raising my kids to 701 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,200 Speaker 1: tell them that there is a consequence when they do 702 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 1: the wrong thing, and those consequences will vary. And I 703 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 1: know that not everybody is raised in the same way, 704 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,880 Speaker 1: and I know that not everybody is as fortunate as 705 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 1: my children are to grow up in the kind of 706 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 1: home that my kids are growing up in. However, you've 707 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 1: got a duty of care to those other children that 708 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:49,280 Speaker 1: are at school. 709 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:50,400 Speaker 2: Doing the right thing. 710 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 1: They're learning and being educated for them to not get 711 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 1: punched by somebody when they're there in their school grounds. 712 00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:01,240 Speaker 6: Absolutely, Katie, And you know, to be clear, there absolutely 713 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:05,120 Speaker 6: the behavior is not okay and there absolutely needs to be. 714 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,960 Speaker 2: Do you see as being an adequate response to that? 715 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 5: Again? 716 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,480 Speaker 2: Too, Like, let's step away from that that. 717 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 1: Incident, because I know that you won't want to, you know, 718 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,840 Speaker 1: to to sort of talk about just one particular individual. 719 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 1: But what would you see as being an adequate response 720 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:23,279 Speaker 1: to a kid that does that that you know punches 721 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:24,759 Speaker 1: other children unprovoked. 722 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 6: I think there's a range of options and programs that 723 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,720 Speaker 6: could be offered to that young person one to address 724 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:36,359 Speaker 6: their behavior to They need to be assessed around their cognitive. 725 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:39,080 Speaker 5: Name company program to absolutely understand that. 726 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,000 Speaker 1: Hang on, So what about then for a child that 727 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:46,640 Speaker 1: for a young person that holds a knife to somebody's throat, 728 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,360 Speaker 1: or holds a knife up to somebody and steals their vehicle, 729 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,400 Speaker 1: what would you see as being an appropriate consequence to that? 730 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 6: Again, Katie, every situation is different, but the behavior needs 731 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 6: to be addressed, and there are a range of programs 732 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 6: delivered in our community controlled sector and the Aboriginal community 733 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:10,960 Speaker 6: around understanding and teaching people wrong from right doing, the 734 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:15,600 Speaker 6: victim offender conferencing doing programs like we've got in Central 735 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:19,160 Speaker 6: Australia and the top end with Aboriginal people taking people 736 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,719 Speaker 6: out onto country and doing those programs. But also there 737 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:27,080 Speaker 6: are men's behavior change programs around addressing the technical aspects 738 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:28,880 Speaker 6: of changing someone's behavior. 739 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 4: But if they're under twelve, chancy it's not mandatory, is it. 740 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 4: It's all off. They don't even have to do any 741 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,359 Speaker 4: of this. They can just say no, I'm not doing it. 742 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,759 Speaker 6: If they're under twelve, there are absolutely programs, and there's 743 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,880 Speaker 6: absolutely under the Care and Protection Act, there are measures 744 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:48,400 Speaker 6: that can be enacted to bring that young person into 745 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,359 Speaker 6: and under the care of the department to work with 746 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:57,360 Speaker 6: them and make them age. Like the colp are suggesting 747 00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:04,479 Speaker 6: does nothing because what we've or Underling's. 748 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:06,759 Speaker 1: Work, and you know, the situation we've got now is 749 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,279 Speaker 1: the community, rightly or wrongly, it feels like what is 750 00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,359 Speaker 1: happening now is not working, like with the with some 751 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,600 Speaker 1: of the behavior that we're seeing from young people. I 752 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 1: mean even myself, I've witnessed it myself sitting down the 753 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,440 Speaker 1: road here when someone tried to steal my phone and 754 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,640 Speaker 1: then went into the servo allegedly with a knife and 755 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 1: and you know, held up the servo and did various 756 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,160 Speaker 1: other things. You know, some of the kids engaged in 757 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,239 Speaker 1: that behavior were as young as ten. Now, I'll give 758 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,720 Speaker 1: an example, I say to I actually asked my children 759 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,320 Speaker 1: this earlier in the week, what do you think would 760 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,720 Speaker 1: happen if you held a knife up to somebody and. 761 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:41,279 Speaker 2: Stole their car? 762 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:42,360 Speaker 4: It's life changing? 763 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:44,600 Speaker 1: Well, Mike, no, I asked them, what do you think 764 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,720 Speaker 1: would happen if you did that to somebody? 765 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:46,960 Speaker 3: Oh? 766 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:50,480 Speaker 1: Yes, And my kids said, go to jail, Like that's 767 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,120 Speaker 1: you know, So that's kind of You've got. You've got 768 00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 1: kids that are thinking, they kind of can't believe some 769 00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:59,920 Speaker 1: of what's going on, and and kids are witnessing it themselves. 770 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,759 Speaker 1: Kid's a victim to it now themselves as well some 771 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:04,000 Speaker 1: of the bad behavior. 772 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:04,160 Speaker 2: That's going on. 773 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,400 Speaker 1: And then you've got, you know, you've just got a 774 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,880 Speaker 1: community at the moment that doesn't feel as though the 775 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:13,239 Speaker 1: government is responding in a way that they think's appropriate. 776 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:14,640 Speaker 5: Yeah. 777 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:19,400 Speaker 6: Look, I can acknowledge absolutely people's frustration, and there's always 778 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,959 Speaker 6: investments that we're putting across to address this. I think 779 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,200 Speaker 6: some of that as well, Katie, is when people do 780 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,719 Speaker 6: see people doing it on social media, and they see 781 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,279 Speaker 6: one aspect of people doing the wrong thing, and they 782 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:34,319 Speaker 6: don't see the authorities apprehending the young people encouraging people. 783 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 2: Police are apprehending That's what I'm saying. 784 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,759 Speaker 6: When you're only seeing a kid sharing their video on 785 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,160 Speaker 6: TikTok or Facebook and you're not seeing what the consequence 786 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,320 Speaker 6: is after it, that plays a role in encouraging people. 787 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,239 Speaker 6: So that's why we're absolutely looking at change. 788 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:48,879 Speaker 2: Those changes going to come into it time. 789 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:50,239 Speaker 5: Do those as soon as we can. 790 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 1: But the New South Wales government able to change this. 791 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,520 Speaker 1: You know the posting and boasting. 792 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,640 Speaker 5: Well, they haven't made the changes yet, Katie. They've talked 793 00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,360 Speaker 5: about them, but they've been haven't been introduced into the 794 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:01,040 Speaker 5: New Southwest part. 795 00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,400 Speaker 7: You could do it in one day, Katie, answer a 796 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,759 Speaker 7: simple one day on urgency, the laws would be changed. 797 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:06,640 Speaker 2: Let's take a fairy. 798 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,440 Speaker 6: There's a lot more to legislation than just dancing in 799 00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:10,480 Speaker 6: Parliament and saying. 800 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:11,960 Speaker 3: You you could do it in one day and you 801 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:13,760 Speaker 3: would make community. Say final, let's. 802 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:15,799 Speaker 2: Take a very quick break. You are listening to mix 803 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,600 Speaker 2: one oh four nine's three sixty is the week that was? 804 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:20,720 Speaker 1: If you have just joined us, We've got Jered Mainlee, 805 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,800 Speaker 1: Robin Lamley, Matt Cunningham and Chancey Paike in the studio 806 00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:24,239 Speaker 1: with us. 807 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:24,799 Speaker 5: Now. 808 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:26,840 Speaker 1: One of the other things I'm keen to discuss this 809 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:30,320 Speaker 1: morning is the Northern Territory government obviously defending the abrupt 810 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:34,200 Speaker 1: removal of police auxiliary liquor inspectors from Alice Springs bottle shops, 811 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:39,240 Speaker 1: despite claims it has unleashed chaos at local liquor outlets. 812 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,200 Speaker 1: Now I actually caught up with earlier in the week 813 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,600 Speaker 1: Peter Holden from Laura Tippa, or the chair of Lura Tippa, 814 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,480 Speaker 1: who had told me about a situation last weekend where 815 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,920 Speaker 1: the supermarket firstly had to shot but the bottle shop 816 00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,720 Speaker 1: then had to shut down completely and that two staff 817 00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,400 Speaker 1: members were assaulted, that they had attempted to call the 818 00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:58,440 Speaker 1: Northern Territory Police. 819 00:38:58,480 --> 00:38:59,680 Speaker 2: I'm not sure whether they were able to. 820 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,399 Speaker 1: Get the police out there, but was saying that they 821 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,240 Speaker 1: have got really serious concerns as a disaster. 822 00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,440 Speaker 4: Katie. Surely after all these years of having police outside 823 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,560 Speaker 4: of bottle shops, the government would realize that this is 824 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:14,279 Speaker 4: one of our best strategies for reducing alcohol harm in 825 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,879 Speaker 4: Alice Springs. But no, under the new Police Minister, we've 826 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,720 Speaker 4: seen a lack of full coverage of our nine bottle 827 00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:24,600 Speaker 4: shops in Alice Springs and what has ensued has been 828 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:25,400 Speaker 4: a crisis. 829 00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:27,680 Speaker 1: Jerry would text me a little earlier in the week 830 00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,200 Speaker 1: and he said, labor forgets that the Liquor Review said 831 00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:31,239 Speaker 1: that there should not. 832 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,040 Speaker 2: Be police outside bottle shops. 833 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,160 Speaker 1: The Police Association at the time, I believe Vince Kelly 834 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,279 Speaker 1: had agreed that this meant police were being taken off 835 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,240 Speaker 1: the beat. The review said that there should be liquor 836 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,880 Speaker 1: inspectors doing the job. I guess the hard thing is though, 837 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,360 Speaker 1: right now, is people you know like it is effective. 838 00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:49,640 Speaker 1: It seems to be effective. 839 00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:50,760 Speaker 4: This is totally effect. 840 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,080 Speaker 8: You probably know, Katie that I've looked at these alcohol 841 00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:55,560 Speaker 8: policies closely over the. 842 00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:57,120 Speaker 2: Last I wouldn't have ever guessed that. 843 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,600 Speaker 8: Police on the bottle shops or the palis is the 844 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,279 Speaker 8: one thing that you can track right the way through 845 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,160 Speaker 8: from when the government, the Henderson government first introduced the 846 00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,720 Speaker 8: first BDR. The one thing you can track that works 847 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,160 Speaker 8: is the police on the bottle shops, which I think 848 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:17,080 Speaker 8: is a race based policy to be honest, but it 849 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,200 Speaker 8: absolutely works. The BDR. I haven't seen one sceric of 850 00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,160 Speaker 8: evidence that it works. The floor price since it's brought 851 00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,239 Speaker 8: in I don't think is had any impact. But if 852 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,600 Speaker 8: you track when the police go on the bottle shops 853 00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,920 Speaker 8: and when they come off the bottle shops, there are 854 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,759 Speaker 8: spikes and there are falls that correlate almost directly with 855 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,279 Speaker 8: when that happens. So I just can't understand why you 856 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:40,279 Speaker 8: would remove that given the importance of given the effectiveness 857 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:40,880 Speaker 8: of that policy. 858 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,200 Speaker 1: I guess the other side of the argument is that 859 00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,880 Speaker 1: you want you want palis to be able to transition 860 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,279 Speaker 1: to constables. And you know, from what I can gather 861 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,640 Speaker 1: from what the Police Commissioner and also the Police Minister 862 00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,200 Speaker 1: has said, is that you want to give them those opportunities. 863 00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:58,400 Speaker 1: You want to give people the opportunity to transition into constables. 864 00:40:58,440 --> 00:40:59,879 Speaker 2: But by the look of. 865 00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,000 Speaker 1: It, you know, there maybe should have done some more 866 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,239 Speaker 1: preparatory work in terms of making sure that there was 867 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,600 Speaker 1: others to step into the role while they transition. 868 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:10,719 Speaker 4: Katie, that's well and good to upskill the palies to 869 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,160 Speaker 4: become constables. That's a good thing to do. It's a 870 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,200 Speaker 4: nice thing to do, but what it's done has put 871 00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,960 Speaker 4: the whole community at risk. I mean, Chancey, you know 872 00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,080 Speaker 4: how this works. This is a very very bad move 873 00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:23,000 Speaker 4: of your government. 874 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,640 Speaker 7: It seems to be a stronger futures two point zero. Again, 875 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,319 Speaker 7: I think the mayor is our those things are talking 876 00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,319 Speaker 7: about that. Then we asked a question of Brent Potter, 877 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,759 Speaker 7: when's the next pali. They're taking it out up to Gillingham, 878 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:33,560 Speaker 7: So are they going to replace those and have like 879 00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,719 Speaker 7: a pathway of work and he didn't. He refused to 880 00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:37,839 Speaker 7: answer the question so much say that there is going 881 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:39,200 Speaker 7: to be no more palis, which is a. 882 00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:40,560 Speaker 2: Was it the wrong move to make? 883 00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:45,160 Speaker 6: Look, we're not removing palies from bottle shops. What the 884 00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,839 Speaker 6: Police Commissioner and the Police Minister have been talking about 885 00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:51,640 Speaker 6: this week is we've providing them the opportunity because we've 886 00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,960 Speaker 6: had trouble retaining palies because they want to become constables. 887 00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:57,839 Speaker 5: We're going to have them deployed in all of those 888 00:41:57,920 --> 00:41:59,440 Speaker 5: bottle shops. But what we were. 889 00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,560 Speaker 6: Doing is give them to skill so that if there 890 00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,480 Speaker 6: is an incidence across the road or in the vicinity 891 00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,840 Speaker 6: of a bottle shop, that they can absolutely respond to, 892 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,480 Speaker 6: whether it's a DV altercation or so forth, rather than 893 00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,080 Speaker 6: at the moment they can only simply stand there and 894 00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:17,279 Speaker 6: call in. This is about providing the opportunity to do that, 895 00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:18,759 Speaker 6: and I just wanted to go on one point that 896 00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:22,200 Speaker 6: Matt raises. I think that the BDR is a very 897 00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:26,879 Speaker 6: effective tool because I have people from my communities town 898 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,880 Speaker 6: camps who voluntary put themselves on the BDR so they 899 00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,120 Speaker 6: wouldn't get humbugged by family to go and buy them grog. 900 00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,799 Speaker 6: They could say, I'm on the band Drinkers Register, I 901 00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:38,400 Speaker 6: can't buy you moub grog. 902 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,680 Speaker 2: Which is fair enough if that means that you can 903 00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:40,960 Speaker 2: do that. 904 00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:45,920 Speaker 6: Yes, I acknowledge that other people have other thoughts on it, 905 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,080 Speaker 6: but I mean that part of it works. 906 00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:49,760 Speaker 8: You think do you think do you think the BDR 907 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:50,960 Speaker 8: is a race based policy too? 908 00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:52,080 Speaker 5: Sometimes? I mean who? 909 00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:56,480 Speaker 6: Because everyone that I talk to our Aboriginal people who 910 00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,040 Speaker 6: have voluntary put themselves on the BDR so they're not 911 00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,040 Speaker 6: going to get pressured by family to buy gron. 912 00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:04,440 Speaker 8: Yeah, but if you think about the person who's least 913 00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,800 Speaker 8: likely to have a license or be able to present 914 00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,240 Speaker 8: the proper identification to be able to buy alcohol. 915 00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:14,279 Speaker 6: As the as the attorney, I have absolutely rolled out 916 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,920 Speaker 6: programs across the territory to offer a free licensing and 917 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,319 Speaker 6: birth certificates and identifications, and we know that we've got 918 00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,319 Speaker 6: organizations who are funded to help people with ID cards. 919 00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,080 Speaker 2: Look, I don't have a huge issue with the BDR. 920 00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:27,520 Speaker 1: For me, it doesn't bother me. I don't care if 921 00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:29,000 Speaker 1: I've got to show my license when I go on. 922 00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:29,839 Speaker 3: By about that. 923 00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,319 Speaker 8: I care about whether it's an effective policy, and I 924 00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,640 Speaker 8: take chances point on board. Absolutely. But I think if 925 00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,160 Speaker 8: you look just at the statistics and whether it's had 926 00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,240 Speaker 8: any impact on alcohol field assaults or alcohol field emergency 927 00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,120 Speaker 8: department presentations. 928 00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:45,160 Speaker 1: Well, whereas the palis on the bottle shop does seem 929 00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:46,680 Speaker 1: to have had an impact. And you've even got the 930 00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,080 Speaker 1: likes of Donna Archie sending out a pressure lease earlier 931 00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:52,720 Speaker 1: in the week from Central Australian Aboriginal Congress really calling 932 00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:54,920 Speaker 1: on the government to re implement them. I guess what 933 00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,320 Speaker 1: I found quite interesting earlier in the week as well 934 00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,319 Speaker 1: is and please correct me if I'm wrong, Robin, you 935 00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,520 Speaker 1: may be heard it at more than I did. But 936 00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,319 Speaker 1: my understanding is that Stuart Brash on the ABC and 937 00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,480 Speaker 1: Alice Springs had questioned the Police Minister about this, and 938 00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,640 Speaker 1: you know that Brash had sort of said, look, you've 939 00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,000 Speaker 1: got people on the ground saying right now, that they're 940 00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:15,880 Speaker 1: not on those bottle shops, and at first the Police 941 00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,799 Speaker 1: Minister was saying that they still were. You know, the 942 00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,560 Speaker 1: story sort of on the ground was not matching up 943 00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:23,120 Speaker 1: with what the police minister was saying. 944 00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:26,160 Speaker 4: Putting it bluntly, Brent Potter, the Minister for Police, lied, 945 00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,320 Speaker 4: there isn't full coverage of the police outside of bottle 946 00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,480 Speaker 4: shops in Alice Springs. If you go there this afternoon 947 00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:33,719 Speaker 4: at three o'clock, there won't be I've been tracking it 948 00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:35,960 Speaker 4: a couple of times every week. In fact, I'll get 949 00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,640 Speaker 4: my elected officer to do a quick drive around this 950 00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:40,920 Speaker 4: afternoon and I'll put it up on Facebook. That's what 951 00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,799 Speaker 4: we've been doing to inform people of what's been going on. 952 00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,040 Speaker 4: People are just so fed up with this. 953 00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:46,400 Speaker 5: You know. 954 00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:51,200 Speaker 4: You've got people like John Boffer and Donna Archie who've 955 00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:54,320 Speaker 4: been a part of the People's Alcohol Action Coalition for 956 00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,640 Speaker 4: almost two decades, who I've been liaising with for two 957 00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,600 Speaker 4: decades in my capacity as elected member. We're on the 958 00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,480 Speaker 4: same page when it comes to police outside of bottle shops. 959 00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:07,440 Speaker 4: It is the single most effective alcohol strategy that we 960 00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,520 Speaker 4: have in Alice Springs and for this government to remove 961 00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,680 Speaker 4: it in any way, shape or form for any reason 962 00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:19,120 Speaker 4: is inexplicable. It's it's it's neglectful, and it causes untold 963 00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:22,440 Speaker 4: harm like we saw when Chancey lifted the grog bands 964 00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:26,080 Speaker 4: across the town counts and average communities. 965 00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:31,560 Speaker 6: Government, you said let them fall down before sundown. So 966 00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,280 Speaker 6: let's be very clear here when we talk about alcohol policy. 967 00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:38,280 Speaker 6: There are six palies rostered on today. They are we need. 968 00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,560 Speaker 5: Stupid, Robin. Just listen for a moment. 969 00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:46,839 Speaker 6: We are absolutely providing training because we could not retain and. 970 00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:52,759 Speaker 4: Recurry training safety domestic bottle This is the key reason 971 00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:54,920 Speaker 4: for people we're going. 972 00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:55,240 Speaker 5: To be having. 973 00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:59,160 Speaker 6: We're going to be having constables. Once those palis are 974 00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,439 Speaker 6: training to becomes of they will be deployed. 975 00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:05,279 Speaker 2: To all bottle shops apart to do the work. 976 00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,640 Speaker 4: We've got trained powlies as constables. 977 00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,719 Speaker 6: Well that's great, that's absolutely not true, Robin. We are 978 00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,319 Speaker 6: training up the palis to be constables. They'll be back 979 00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:15,719 Speaker 6: on all the bottle shops. We have six palis who 980 00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,400 Speaker 6: will be roaming around Alice Springs today to all of 981 00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,399 Speaker 6: the bottle shops doing the ad hocs so people don't 982 00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:23,920 Speaker 6: know what times they're there, so that they can pinpoint 983 00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,040 Speaker 6: and if there are areas that are seeing an increase, 984 00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:26,960 Speaker 6: they will be deployed. 985 00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:34,200 Speaker 4: The absolute carnage. Like last week, you let them. 986 00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:37,400 Speaker 5: You've got no credibility. 987 00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,040 Speaker 1: Would you believe we've run out of time on Matt, 988 00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:42,400 Speaker 1: we are going to have to wrap up. 989 00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,160 Speaker 2: I know we could go for to us just sitting American. 990 00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:50,319 Speaker 1: Jared Bailey, the Deputy Opposition leader. Always good to have 991 00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:51,960 Speaker 1: you on the show. Thanks so much for your time 992 00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:52,440 Speaker 1: this morning. 993 00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:53,520 Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you listeners. 994 00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,480 Speaker 1: Robin Laveley, the independent member for our Lawn. Always great 995 00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:58,120 Speaker 1: to have you in the studio when you're in town. 996 00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,000 Speaker 2: Thank you. Matt Cunningham from Sky News. Good to have 997 00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:01,560 Speaker 2: you on the show. 998 00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:02,480 Speaker 3: Mate, great to be here. 999 00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:04,680 Speaker 2: Katie Chelsey Pete. Great to have you in the studio 1000 00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:05,719 Speaker 2: when you're in town as well. 1001 00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:07,600 Speaker 6: Thank you, Katie and Robin and I are off to 1002 00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:09,879 Speaker 6: some cooler Country's going to be. 1003 00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:10,920 Speaker 2: Cool in Alice Spring. 1004 00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,399 Speaker 1: It's going to be nice and rainy. Thank you all 1005 00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:15,080 Speaker 1: so very much for joining us this morning. 1006 00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:15,960 Speaker 2: For the week that was