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Speaker 1: Jersey and Amandamnation.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's a precarious time to be traveling to the US.

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Speaker 2: Some people are saying don't go, others are saying it's fine.

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Speaker 2: To clear things up, we thought. We chat to doctor

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Speaker 2: Lee Morgan. Besser is a political professor who says it's

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Speaker 2: time to rethink our travel plans, so much so he's

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Speaker 2: canceled his own business to the States. Lee, Hello, good morning.

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Speaker 1: How are you very well?

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Speaker 2: I mean, we're hearing some scary stories about tourists being

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Speaker 2: put into holding cells overnight, being told to take berner

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Speaker 2: phones and wipe your social media history.

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Speaker 1: What have you heard? I've heard very similar things. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: it's all part of the Trump administration's so called enhanced

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Speaker 1: vetting procedures, which empower customs and border agents to I guess,

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Speaker 1: ask more difficult questions of travelers and gives them a

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Speaker 1: greater powers to detain people at the border as well.

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Speaker 3: But bernaphones, that's pretty extreme.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, bernaphones, Burner laptops of ASO also heard of. It's

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Speaker 1: also very expensive options for travelers.

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Speaker 2: And it is this to get rid of what your

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Speaker 2: social media history in case you're a person of you

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Speaker 2: know what what are they going to look for.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's exactly that. They're going to look for criticism

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Speaker 1: of the Trump administration or its policies on social media.

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Speaker 1: So they will ask for you to enter your past

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Speaker 1: code or your face ID, and then they will scroll

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Speaker 1: through your different social media platforms.

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Speaker 3: But wouldn't if you deleted all those hashtags and stuff,

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Speaker 3: wouldn't that raise more questions?

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Speaker 1: It would raise more questions. It does depend on whether

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Speaker 1: you're sort of traveling for work or related reasons or

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Speaker 1: for tourism, So it does come down to it does

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Speaker 1: come to portioning down to the color of your skin

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Speaker 1: and things like that. So it's a bit it's a

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Speaker 3: So lead, if you don't mind me asking what color is.

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Speaker 1: Your skin, it's very much white. I would be all

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Speaker 1: right on brass alone, but probably not on what I've

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yeah, Because when people our age used to travel,

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Speaker 2: you could travel the whole world without having an itinerary,

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Speaker 2: without having booked a hotel, without having any of those details.

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Speaker 2: But I'm hearing of people being detained because there's there's

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Speaker 2: three days at the end of their trip that aren't

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Speaker 2: accounted for.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. So one of the big reasons that being

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Speaker 1: customs and border officials. And that's simply because people want

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Speaker 1: to have some flexibility in the travel plans and that's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm in North Korea as a kid going to America,

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Speaker 3: though my dad used to say, particularly to me, Okay,

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Speaker 3: no smarty pants comments, nothing about guns or anything like that.

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Speaker 3: So America has always been fraught when you go over there.

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Speaker 3: But I was reading about someone You've got to have

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Speaker 3: your ETZA, you know, the little electronic transferry whatever that. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you have that, but sometimes that's not enough. You've got

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Speaker 3: to have an itinery printed. You've got to have what

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Speaker 3: you're doing, and particularly if you're going over there for

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Speaker 3: work like Lee might be, or a travel person, you've

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Speaker 3: got to make sure that everything's tickety boo, as they say,

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Speaker 3: and you can't lie to them. If you start trying

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Speaker 3: to be paranoid and lie, then you're going to end

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Speaker 3: it's just getting sent I.

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Speaker 2: Am or even worse than a holding cell.

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Speaker 3: You're on the holiday. Imagine that you get turned around.

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Speaker 3: That would be dreadful.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's been plenty of cases recently, German tourist,

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Speaker 1: to leave America and get detained a bad paperwork.

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Speaker 2: Trying to leave America. Yes, because that's you know. That's

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Speaker 2: another thing I heard is that you should have at

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Speaker 2: out what you're going to be doing. What advice would

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Speaker 1: I think there's four things that sort of need to do.

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Speaker 1: One is just make sure all that leads are paperwork

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Speaker 1: is absolutely one hundred full proof. The other one is

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Speaker 1: what you've said is sort of rehearsed answers in some sense,

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Speaker 1: So make sure you know the answers to the questions

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Speaker 1: are you going to ask beforehand? Burn a phone is

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Speaker 1: I think a really good option. But you know, somewhat

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Speaker 1: fil email that automatically sends should you fail to cancel it,

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Speaker 1: so alerting people to the fact that you may have

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Speaker 1: been detained, because if they take your phone, how are

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Speaker 1: you going to contact people? And the Australian government can't

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Speaker 1: guarantee constural of support.

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Speaker 2: Okay, traveling to the United States. So much has changed

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Speaker 2: in the last one hundred days, hasn't it.

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Speaker 3: Just by yourself a marga cap, you'll.

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Speaker 2: Be able to.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 2: It's chilling, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: Lee?

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Speaker 3: Thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 1: Not a problem, you have great morning.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Lee, Morgan Messing The