WEBVTT - AUSTRALIAN SURVIVOR 'KJ' DOES NOT HOLD BACK! 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:01.720 It's in the news today, but it was actually on 0:00:01.800 --> 0:00:05.000 TV Reload the podcast last week. They might welcome back 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:08.039 to TV Reload. My name's Benjamin Norris, and on this 0:00:08.119 --> 0:00:11.280 podcast I go behind the scenes with the biggest players 0:00:11.320 --> 0:00:14.640 in television. Each episode you will get a front row 0:00:14.720 --> 0:00:19.560 seat with content makers like executive producers, writers, editors and 0:00:19.640 --> 0:00:23.400 casting agents, plus the talent that we see on our screens. 0:00:23.920 --> 0:00:27.400 TV Reload reloads the shows that you were currently watching 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:30.760 and gives you a better insight at our television industry 0:00:30.920 --> 0:00:34.480 and streaming services today. On the podcast, I have kJ 0:00:34.640 --> 0:00:38.760 from Australian Survivor's Blood Versus Water currently on Network ten. 0:00:39.280 --> 0:00:41.479 An ex flight attendant who is now a stay at 0:00:41.479 --> 0:00:44.360 home mum of three, took on Australian Survivor with her 0:00:44.440 --> 0:00:48.080 sister Sophie. They boasted a social game, but it was 0:00:48.159 --> 0:00:51.680 Kj's ability to tame her opinions and listen more than 0:00:51.720 --> 0:00:55.080 she talked that proved that Kate was a serious contender 0:00:55.120 --> 0:00:58.840 for the top prize. We talk about that advantage, her 0:00:58.920 --> 0:01:02.600 sister's postgame opinions, who in the finale has the best 0:01:02.680 --> 0:01:06.120 resume and if she has any regrets anyway, I'd like 0:01:06.200 --> 0:01:09.200 to welcome. One of my favorites from this year's Australian Survivor. 0:01:09.440 --> 0:01:10.000 It's kJ. 0:01:11.240 --> 0:01:14.360 My game was never going to be bold and flashy. 0:01:14.400 --> 0:01:19.039 Previously on Australian Survivor, you should have been discouraged from 0:01:19.040 --> 0:01:22.160 going on reality television. My ultimate goal is to go 0:01:22.240 --> 0:01:24.280 home to my three children and say mummy. 0:01:24.280 --> 0:01:25.000 One Survivor. 0:01:25.480 --> 0:01:28.160 There were things I definitely do differently at certain times 0:01:28.160 --> 0:01:31.120 of the game. kJ, could tonight's both be a game 0:01:31.240 --> 0:01:35.000 changing move? To see negativity about the game was quite 0:01:35.560 --> 0:01:36.280 upsetting for me. 0:01:36.640 --> 0:01:40.559 I person voted out of blood versus Water kJ. 0:01:41.240 --> 0:01:44.040 The minute you start sort of showing you know, anger 0:01:44.520 --> 0:01:46.560 or disappointment, you become a target. 0:01:47.200 --> 0:01:48.800 Hi, kJ, how are you? 0:01:48.960 --> 0:01:54.120 How am I? I'm not sure, I don't know. I am. 0:01:54.440 --> 0:01:58.880 I'm okay, I'm good, I'm happy, I'm content and I 0:01:59.160 --> 0:02:02.440 have come to terms with what happened, so I'm alright. 0:02:02.520 --> 0:02:07.080 Well, congratulations on a tooth and nail season of Australian Survivor. 0:02:07.600 --> 0:02:11.600 What were the hardest things about your experience overall? 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:15.080 Oh? Look, there was the materialistic things, the fun things 0:02:15.120 --> 0:02:18.520 like my no hairbrush, no muscaa, no fake tan, no makeup. 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:21.240 Because I love my plants. So that was all a 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:24.959 little bit of fun, the sleeping conditions, but then you 0:02:25.080 --> 0:02:28.119 get down to the nitty gritty, and missing my family 0:02:28.480 --> 0:02:31.399 just added a whole new layer of emotions onto what's 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:35.639 already a really complex and brutal game. So yeah, it 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:38.760 was a big decision to leave such young children at home, 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:43.520 and the preparation that went into leaving them was quite 0:02:43.600 --> 0:02:47.040 a peek in itself. There was spreadsheets and whiteboards and 0:02:47.600 --> 0:02:50.000 had nannies. There was a lot goes to show how 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:52.800 much work us parents do. And then getting out there 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:54.560 being able to live out a dream that you've had 0:02:54.560 --> 0:02:56.960 for such a long time, and it going well for 0:02:57.000 --> 0:02:58.720 a couple of weeks, and then you know, a good 0:02:58.760 --> 0:03:02.200 old little survivor twist. The blood versus water element really 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:05.639 hit hard for myself. So that was pretty tough out 0:03:05.639 --> 0:03:07.040 there as well. I didn't go to plan. 0:03:07.240 --> 0:03:10.240 Well, you said last night that you actively listened more 0:03:10.240 --> 0:03:11.040 than you talked. 0:03:13.560 --> 0:03:16.040 Thank you so much, guys. I came in here with 0:03:16.040 --> 0:03:18.120 a strategy of listening more than I talk, and I'm 0:03:18.160 --> 0:03:19.960 really glad I stuck to it because I got to 0:03:20.000 --> 0:03:23.440 hear from some really incredible people. It's going to be 0:03:23.440 --> 0:03:27.560 a pleasure to watch you play. All right, Fay. 0:03:30.360 --> 0:03:33.320 Do you think you know ultimately that is why you 0:03:33.440 --> 0:03:34.840 survived as long as you did. 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:37.120 I really do. I'm the first to admit Ben that 0:03:37.200 --> 0:03:39.600 my game was never going to be bold and flashy. 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:41.840 It's not who I am as a person. I'm pretty 0:03:41.840 --> 0:03:46.200 low key and pretty private and just like to dedicate 0:03:46.240 --> 0:03:49.200 myself to family life. But I knew I had the 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:53.760 smarts out there, So I know my game probably wasn't 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:57.240 interesting to people, but that's okay. That does not bother 0:03:57.280 --> 0:03:59.040 me in the slidest. My game got me to where 0:03:59.040 --> 0:04:01.440 I was. I listened more than I talked. I was 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:05.200 interested and not interesting. I just wanted to have people 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:07.120 trust me. I wanted to show that I was a 0:04:07.160 --> 0:04:09.880 supportive person, and I just wanted to gather as much 0:04:09.960 --> 0:04:13.560 information as I could so then I could adapt my 0:04:13.640 --> 0:04:16.240 game and help out people I wanted to work with. 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:18.640 So yeah, it was a pretty It was a low 0:04:18.720 --> 0:04:22.200 key game at times, but I feel that I feel 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:24.720 it I did all right. I did well in the end. 0:04:24.800 --> 0:04:27.159 I got there. It was hard, there was a lot, 0:04:27.440 --> 0:04:29.880 and there was so many twists and turns, and it 0:04:29.960 --> 0:04:30.800 was complicated. 0:04:30.880 --> 0:04:32.880 Well, I think you're being very hard on yourself because 0:04:32.880 --> 0:04:35.599 you made one of the best moves in my mind 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:38.280 in the series. The way that you rolled out your 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:41.560 advantage was not only just great television, but it was 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:44.200 a strong message to everyone watching the show that we 0:04:44.240 --> 0:04:48.360 should look at everything from all angles and not just 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:49.000 the obvious. 0:04:49.600 --> 0:04:51.520 That's right, and I feel that you should have been 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:54.360 discouraged from going on a reality television, especially a game 0:04:54.440 --> 0:04:56.640 like sciber if you are not a big, out there, 0:04:56.680 --> 0:05:00.240 confident person, that's not necessarily the key to success. Yes, 0:05:00.360 --> 0:05:02.080 you can be a bit of a wallflower at times, 0:05:02.120 --> 0:05:04.440 and especially in a game like Survivor, play that up 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:07.480 if you want, which I certainly did. And so when 0:05:07.600 --> 0:05:11.720 I have advantage, I got to really showcase my strategic 0:05:11.839 --> 0:05:15.400 side and give the audience a glimpse of what I 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:18.000 am capable of. I knew it was within me. It 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:20.280 was just about having the opportunity to bring it out 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:23.960 because previously I had no alliance, so I never had 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:26.240 the numbers to do what I really wanted to do. 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:29.120 So it was a really great and empowering feeling to 0:05:29.160 --> 0:05:31.120 be sitting there and be a little bit cheeky and 0:05:31.160 --> 0:05:32.120 have a bit of fun with it. 0:05:32.240 --> 0:05:33.880 Well, is that how you would play it if you 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:36.680 had that advantage again, because when you got to Tribal 0:05:37.000 --> 0:05:39.680 last night and you got to interact with everyone, people 0:05:39.680 --> 0:05:41.880 were giving you a hard time, which I thought was 0:05:42.320 --> 0:05:44.800 super duper unfair because it was one of my favorite 0:05:44.800 --> 0:05:48.680 things you did. But after hearing that and having the 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:51.120 time that you've had now, is that how you would 0:05:51.120 --> 0:05:52.080 play that advantage? 0:05:52.120 --> 0:05:56.080 Absolutely? I stand by all my decisions. I definitely can't 0:05:56.120 --> 0:05:58.040 say I don't have regrets. I do. Know a lot 0:05:58.080 --> 0:06:00.320 of people say I played and I don't have a regrets. 0:06:00.360 --> 0:06:02.640 I do. I'm very realistic and there were things I 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:05.320 definitely do differently at certain times of the game, but 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:07.960 that's not one of them. I knew we had to 0:06:08.120 --> 0:06:11.039 break up that really strong alliance. I knew that Jordan, Josh, 0:06:11.040 --> 0:06:14.320 and Chrissy were such a tight three. The show didn't 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:17.239 give their relationship probably as much airtime as it deserved. 0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:20.000 They were very tight, and so the writing was on 0:06:20.000 --> 0:06:21.720 the wall that we had to break them up and 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:24.279 we couldn't risk one of us going home. If Sam 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:27.640 had played the idol and she was so good and 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:29.640 what she did. I loved watching them. From a fan 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:31.679 point of view, I was sitting there going she is good. 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:35.880 I don't know she's play this. I had to sometimes 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:38.280 kind of like, come on, Okate, snap out of this. 0:06:38.440 --> 0:06:41.320 You're actually playing, you're not watching. So I wouldn't change 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:43.520 that at all. The reception I got back at camp 0:06:43.600 --> 0:06:47.600 that night was very frosty, and you know that was saying, oh, 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:51.039 there's going to be consequences, but these were the consequences 0:06:51.120 --> 0:06:54.839 of continuously writing my name down, underestimating me, not wanting 0:06:54.920 --> 0:06:57.560 to listen to me. These were the consequences. And then 0:06:57.600 --> 0:07:00.919 at Juri Villa, Yeah, once again very frost Sam and 0:07:00.960 --> 0:07:04.680 I both didn't receive the warmest welcome compared to some 0:07:04.760 --> 0:07:08.000 of the guys, but that's just sometimes what happens. And 0:07:08.160 --> 0:07:10.440 we had some really supportive people in the jury as 0:07:10.480 --> 0:07:14.560 well that were there by our side. I think you 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:16.880 could have gone further with your advantage off the way 0:07:16.880 --> 0:07:21.400 you used it, you stuck to your majority, played out 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:22.520 the way it's played out. 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:23.480 I think you wasted that. 0:07:23.880 --> 0:07:26.760 Yeah, yeah, probably in hindsight. 0:07:27.040 --> 0:07:27.800 Like it was a good move. 0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:29.640 I respect the move, but I feel it was a 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:31.920 bit interesting that you didn't stick with the majority after 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:33.240 hell and you fought to grab. 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:38.440 It well even Jonathan Lapalia last night took to Twitter 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:42.440 to call out your sister's Sophie's shenanigans. Do you think 0:07:42.480 --> 0:07:45.720 that he was right to exclaim, you know, that she 0:07:46.240 --> 0:07:47.720 floundered your gameplay. 0:07:47.920 --> 0:07:50.920 She definitely said it on a different path to what 0:07:51.000 --> 0:07:54.120 I had envisis. It was actually quite sad that our 0:07:54.160 --> 0:07:58.160 games did in the line whatsoever. We're very very different people, 0:07:58.520 --> 0:08:01.840 very different people, and it was a fear of mind 0:08:01.920 --> 0:08:06.040 going into the game that something may happen and it 0:08:06.080 --> 0:08:09.680 would sort of do some damage. And it did, and 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:12.080 I was in damage control for a while there. We 0:08:12.160 --> 0:08:15.400 all handle pressure differently, and I was able to internalize 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:17.520 a lot of my emotions, which in the game of 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:20.800 survivor is a very very important thing to do. The 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:24.880 minute you start sort of showing, you know, anger or disappointment, 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:29.360 you become a target. So she wasn't happy with what 0:08:29.400 --> 0:08:32.439 had happened at the Blood Tribe came into my tribe, 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:35.360 said a few things about, you know, her previous tribe 0:08:35.400 --> 0:08:37.800 mates for getting maybe, hey, these are their loved ones 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:40.600 here and I'm working with them, so let's just chill 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:43.520 out a little bit. But yeah, it was a really 0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:48.200 draining situation. It was tough, and I felt like it 0:08:48.280 --> 0:08:51.280 made me retreat a lot, and I lost a bit 0:08:51.280 --> 0:08:53.920 of confidence and really sort of went into my shell. 0:08:54.120 --> 0:08:56.760 And I had tribe mates notice that and say, you know, 0:08:56.800 --> 0:08:59.440 what's happened? Was Kate gone? And I don't think I 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:02.320 recovered from that at all, because then there was writing 0:09:02.360 --> 0:09:04.360 her name down and I am the big sister, and 0:09:04.400 --> 0:09:07.640 I felt guilty for doing so, but the writing was 0:09:07.640 --> 0:09:09.120 on the wall, as I said, I needed to go 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:11.120 further in this game, and I was going to go 0:09:11.160 --> 0:09:14.160 further than she was, and yeah, I did what I 0:09:14.200 --> 0:09:14.679 had to do. 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:18.400 I loved your public support of Sophie. I thought that 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:20.880 was great because there was, you know, a lot of 0:09:20.880 --> 0:09:23.480 backlash and you know, she did kind of kick up 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:25.920 her heels on social media and cause a bit of 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:28.839 attention after her exit from the show. But I loved 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:32.040 the fact that you still were the big sister and 0:09:32.080 --> 0:09:33.760 you were looking after her. But do you think that 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:36.680 it was warranted? Do you think that you know how 0:09:36.720 --> 0:09:39.679 her game played out and her reaction on social media, 0:09:39.720 --> 0:09:41.520 do you think that was warranted? 0:09:41.800 --> 0:09:46.240 Not at all. No, it wasn't warranted whatsoever. I wanted 0:09:46.240 --> 0:09:49.200 her to stop that, and not just for the game. 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:52.199 You know, I have so much respect for the game 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:55.160 and production and all the people that put their time 0:09:55.200 --> 0:09:58.000 and effort into it. To see negativity about the game 0:09:58.080 --> 0:10:01.400 was quite upsetting for me. But also I had made 0:10:01.760 --> 0:10:05.160 and had made some friendships that will last a lifetime 0:10:05.280 --> 0:10:07.920 and I didn't want any more damage to them. And 0:10:08.080 --> 0:10:11.160 also I still wanted her to come away from the 0:10:11.200 --> 0:10:14.840 game with some positivity. She did well, not you know, 0:10:14.960 --> 0:10:17.400 she got three weeks into the game. She was incredible 0:10:17.440 --> 0:10:20.439 in challenges. I wanted her to feel proud of herself 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:23.360 and what she does. But I just didn't want any 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:28.160 negativity surrounding our experience because this most likely won't ever 0:10:28.200 --> 0:10:30.920 happen again. You get one shot, and I'm a pretty 0:10:30.920 --> 0:10:33.840 positive person and I look at her life with a 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:37.280 lot of gratitude, and no matter what happens on the game, 0:10:37.440 --> 0:10:40.280 I was able to separate that from sort of reality. 0:10:40.520 --> 0:10:42.840 And I think Sophie had a bit of trouble doing so. 0:10:43.000 --> 0:10:44.960 And she wears her heart on her sleeve and she's 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:48.040 very outspoken, and yeah, it was a shame the way 0:10:48.040 --> 0:10:50.760 it played out, and I know she was hurt by 0:10:50.800 --> 0:10:55.000 certain people. I just could not get involved too much 0:10:55.080 --> 0:10:57.720 because that then you know, had a negative impact on 0:10:57.800 --> 0:10:59.000 me sort of mentally. 0:10:59.320 --> 0:11:01.679 Absolutely, I can imagine it would be the same as 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:03.480 how I would be with my brother. I'd ring him 0:11:03.520 --> 0:11:05.920 on the phone, he wouldn't answer, and then I'd send 0:11:05.960 --> 0:11:09.280 him a text message, stop this, put yourself together. 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:14.000 No, I just had to remove myself from the situation, which, 0:11:14.320 --> 0:11:18.439 you know, maybe that showed I wasn't loyal to her, 0:11:18.480 --> 0:11:21.439 but I was and I care for her very deeply. 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:25.360 But I just needed to power on because I was 0:11:25.400 --> 0:11:28.240 still on the show, and I knew that I was 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:31.000 going to be on until the second last episode, so 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:33.920 I kind of wanted to just concentrate on the gameplay 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:37.480 and some of the big moves that led to her demise. 0:11:37.920 --> 0:11:40.480 From a fans point of view, that were great moves, 0:11:40.880 --> 0:11:44.000 and I know she respects them. I just wanted her 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:46.680 to have more of a positive experience than I think 0:11:46.840 --> 0:11:50.640 was sort of played out on television. I never expected 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:53.200 it to be such a talking point, to be honest, 0:11:53.240 --> 0:11:56.439 as I said, pretty low key, wanted to get in there, strategize, 0:11:56.480 --> 0:11:58.600 play the game, come out of the game, and go 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:02.080 back to you know, life, and get the trackies back on. 0:12:02.280 --> 0:12:06.240 And well, there's been so much talk about the Battle 0:12:06.280 --> 0:12:10.000 of the sexes this season with a male strong alliance, 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:13.520 Do you think that Survivor can be a true representation 0:12:13.800 --> 0:12:15.280 of where we are in society? 0:12:16.960 --> 0:12:20.240 Yes, I think it can. I won't lie. There was 0:12:20.280 --> 0:12:25.160 a very strong core group of men out there but 0:12:25.559 --> 0:12:28.200 insane that I have to stick up for them because 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:31.680 they were all really lovely guys and that was their strategy. 0:12:32.000 --> 0:12:35.720 There were some words thrown out that I didn't agree with, calling, 0:12:35.960 --> 0:12:38.040 you know, the girls weak or you know, I got 0:12:38.040 --> 0:12:41.120 called flaky things like that. I don't agree with that. 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:42.680 I think there's a better way of putting it. That 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:46.240 was their strategy though, But also, we are so hungry 0:12:46.240 --> 0:12:50.040 and so tired out there, you aren't thinking clearly at all. 0:12:50.120 --> 0:12:53.760 I can definitely say that I feel like they It 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:55.920 was just a bunch of guys they got together. They 0:12:55.960 --> 0:12:58.560 were all very physically strong, and they bonded over that, 0:12:59.240 --> 0:13:01.880 and their strategy was to sort of carry each other 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:04.320 through as far as they could and then battle it out. 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:07.920 They might have underestimated a couple of the smaller girls 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:11.520 in terms of sam her strategic mind and her gameplay 0:13:11.679 --> 0:13:14.920 was just ten out of ten, like Wow, she played 0:13:14.920 --> 0:13:17.319 a river of a game. Then you've got Shaye, what 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:21.880 a physical power house, who is beating these in these challenges. 0:13:21.920 --> 0:13:24.320 I don't think they really took that into consideration. You've 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:26.840 got Chrissy, who's played one of the best social games 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:29.760 I've ever seen and she's stayed true to it. And 0:13:29.800 --> 0:13:32.040 then you know, little of Me pops up from time 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:34.240 to time and just throws a couple of bombs out 0:13:34.240 --> 0:13:37.440 there and has a crack. So I feel like we 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:41.200 as women, we gave it a fair a fair go. 0:13:41.760 --> 0:13:45.920 We always behaved with dignity, we spoke well of each other, 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:49.400 and I'm really proud that there's two really strong women 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:51.200 still there at the end. I wish I could have 0:13:51.200 --> 0:13:53.920 been there with them. We wanted that final three, you know, 0:13:54.000 --> 0:13:55.880 get rid of that boys club and have the ladies 0:13:55.920 --> 0:13:57.080 at the end, but it wasn't to be. 0:13:57.400 --> 0:13:59.840 We still chipped away back to the halfway through that 0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:01.920 you were thinking it's just going to be an all 0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:05.839 male finale, and here we are with two really strong 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:08.160 women and the fact that you were there right to 0:14:08.240 --> 0:14:11.200 the end, like it's just the tides the. 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:13.640 Tides, And yeah, there was three girls and two guys 0:14:13.640 --> 0:14:15.920 at the end. I think the reason they got rid 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:18.360 of mad like we kind of yeah, they didn't want 0:14:18.360 --> 0:14:18.720 the girls. 0:14:18.720 --> 0:14:21.600 At the end, Mark did do a sneaky that was 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:26.520 in your words. Do you think that Mark has been 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:30.120 as good as what he has protested in his bits 0:14:30.120 --> 0:14:30.920 to camera. 0:14:31.320 --> 0:14:34.880 Yes, I do, but I also think we can't ignore 0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:37.960 the fact that his wife played one of the most 0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:41.520 epic games we've seen in a while. So those two 0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:46.240 as a pair, we were brilliant. He's played very very 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:50.520 well using Josh A's a shield, Sammy sacrificing her game. 0:14:51.000 --> 0:14:53.800 They were just so well prepared and they came in, 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:56.880 they knew what they had to do, and he is 0:14:56.960 --> 0:14:59.880 now in the final four. It's paying off. And then 0:15:00.440 --> 0:15:03.800 I think Josh's game has been just as good, and 0:15:03.840 --> 0:15:06.120 it probably hasn't been shown in the edit as well 0:15:06.160 --> 0:15:08.400 as much, but just speaking to a lot of you know, 0:15:08.400 --> 0:15:11.840 the Survivor contestants, and we were so impressed with Josh's game, 0:15:12.000 --> 0:15:16.160 so both equally as impressive. I think Mark can talk, 0:15:16.440 --> 0:15:19.880 and he certainly talked his way into arts last night. Shane. 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:22.560 I just believed the big soldier and you know, there 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:24.840 were conversations going on for a couple of days about 0:15:25.080 --> 0:15:27.560 him wanting Josh out. But it turns out he was 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:29.760 just selling us the candy and it was always me. 0:15:30.040 --> 0:15:31.280 So that's okay. 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:34.000 Well, Chrissy changed her vote last night, you know, in 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:37.480 the revote. Do you think that was fair of what 0:15:37.600 --> 0:15:39.000 Chrissy decided to do. 0:15:39.320 --> 0:15:41.640 I think she made a decision in the moment based 0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:43.360 on the fact that we hadn't told her the truth, 0:15:43.640 --> 0:15:46.520 So I don't blame her for that. What had happened 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:48.840 was we had to basically choose as that Mark or 0:15:48.920 --> 0:15:51.400 is at Josh going home. From our perspective, Shane, I 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:55.160 there was more chance of Mark making a move than 0:15:55.240 --> 0:15:58.840 Chrissy because her game was based around loyalty to her alliance, 0:15:58.880 --> 0:16:00.880 and she often spoke about how close she was to 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:03.520 Josh and Mark. We just not for a second thought 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:05.520 then that she was going to flip. We just did 0:16:05.560 --> 0:16:08.000 not think it was going to happen, and we thought, well, Mark, 0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:10.880 Mark could Mark could definitely make a move here, and 0:16:10.920 --> 0:16:13.320 he was telling us he was going to. So I 0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:17.920 think Chrissy's decision to vote me out wasn't one based 0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:21.080 on head. I think she went with her heart then, 0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:24.280 and she was frustrated that we probably, yeah, we hadn't 0:16:24.280 --> 0:16:26.240 told her the truth. The reason we didn't tell her 0:16:26.280 --> 0:16:28.160 the truth was because we knew she'd go and tell 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:30.080 Josh that he was our target, and there was a 0:16:30.160 --> 0:16:32.800 huge chance that Josh would then get the vote on me, 0:16:33.000 --> 0:16:34.800 which turns out was sort of the plan the whole 0:16:34.840 --> 0:16:35.200 way along. 0:16:35.240 --> 0:16:37.920 Anyway, I love Chrissy. I think that there's something very 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:40.480 endearing about her. When she first turned up, I was like, 0:16:40.520 --> 0:16:42.920 who's that lady with the crazy eyes? And then by 0:16:42.960 --> 0:16:45.040 the time it's got to the end of like, oh, 0:16:45.080 --> 0:16:45.840 she's just good. 0:16:45.760 --> 0:16:49.520 Telling he's fantastic. She's what a survivor needed this year, 0:16:49.720 --> 0:16:52.200 just a little bit of yeah, a little bit of 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:55.240 light hardness and just keeping things real. And she's exactly 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:57.800 like that in real life. She's just a beautiful person 0:16:57.840 --> 0:17:00.520 inside and out. And I'm very lucky to call her 0:17:00.640 --> 0:17:03.240 a friend, as I am with she also, who's just 0:17:03.280 --> 0:17:07.200 as beautiful. So you've got some really great women there 0:17:07.240 --> 0:17:10.280 at the end. And you know there's commentary out there 0:17:10.320 --> 0:17:13.240 that their goats. They're only there to get sort of 0:17:13.280 --> 0:17:15.800 you know, voted out or go up against the easy beats, 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:18.840 and I think that's so unfair because to make the 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:21.480 top five of Survivor, you have had to have done 0:17:21.560 --> 0:17:24.480 something right to get there, and that might mean that 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:27.880 at times you have to adapt and play a role 0:17:28.240 --> 0:17:30.199 and you might have to take a step back, and 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:32.720 you might have to be content with you know where 0:17:32.720 --> 0:17:36.479 you're at, and not be too flashy, be subtle. And 0:17:36.560 --> 0:17:39.439 I feel like Shay's done that really well because she 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:43.120 knew her physical prowess would probably has put a huge 0:17:43.119 --> 0:17:45.679 target on her back. Chrissy's just been Chrissy, and you 0:17:45.720 --> 0:17:49.719 can't ask for much more, to be honest, There's people 0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:52.840 out there that you know were threatened by a social game, 0:17:52.880 --> 0:17:56.159 as they should beat because she's just a really, really 0:17:56.200 --> 0:17:56.919 great person. 0:17:57.160 --> 0:17:59.480 What about that vote, the vote that always came out 0:17:59.560 --> 0:18:03.359 one vote, kJ, What was going through your mind? And 0:18:03.400 --> 0:18:06.320 did you know where that vote was coming from? 0:18:06.440 --> 0:18:09.920 It was? Yeah, So I multiple times I was told 0:18:09.960 --> 0:18:11.960 that my name would be written down and I still 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:13.399 hadn't worked out if that's a good thing or a 0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:15.800 bad thing. I wanted to shout from the rooftops, like 0:18:15.800 --> 0:18:17.399 why are you doing this? But that's part of my 0:18:17.440 --> 0:18:19.159 game plan. If you do that, and you sort of 0:18:19.200 --> 0:18:22.400 ruffle some feathers and I was almost walking on eggshells 0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:25.679 for a while there after, Sophie went home because I 0:18:25.760 --> 0:18:30.040 didn't want to show any form of aggression, thinking well, 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:32.879 they might just pigeonhole me too and get rid of me. 0:18:33.119 --> 0:18:36.359 So I had to bite my tongue so much. Ben really, 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:40.320 as I said earlier, internalized everything, which once I got 0:18:40.320 --> 0:18:42.680 out that all just came to the surface. But those 0:18:42.840 --> 0:18:46.160 random votes, I knew they were coming. I knew most 0:18:46.160 --> 0:18:48.720 of the time they were from Josh, there was a 0:18:48.720 --> 0:18:52.199 couple from Michelle, and the intention was for me to 0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:54.480 never go home. I was never the first target. It 0:18:54.600 --> 0:18:57.520 was always a just in case, and I got really 0:18:57.560 --> 0:18:59.439 sick of being a just in case vote and I 0:18:59.440 --> 0:19:01.439 wanted to do more about it. I just didn't have 0:19:01.520 --> 0:19:05.720 the numbers. But it's become a bit of a joke now, 0:19:05.920 --> 0:19:08.800 and that's all you can do. Sometimes. I'm just having 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:10.920 a laugh with it all and focusing on the fact 0:19:10.920 --> 0:19:14.120 that I got to play and I really did experience 0:19:14.280 --> 0:19:18.199 the full game of Survivor. From having his sister voted in, 0:19:18.280 --> 0:19:23.240 his sister voted out, getting voted into another tribe, merge furgatry, 0:19:23.480 --> 0:19:26.800 finding an advantage, making the top five, There's not much 0:19:26.840 --> 0:19:29.560 more I really could have done, apart from win the game. 0:19:29.960 --> 0:19:32.720 So yeah, for someone that's wanted to play for a 0:19:32.880 --> 0:19:36.240 very long time, I really did get to experience everything 0:19:36.240 --> 0:19:39.480 and it was very exhausting. But also I just wanted 0:19:39.480 --> 0:19:42.359 to play, yeah, and be humble and be kind to 0:19:42.440 --> 0:19:45.280