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Speaker 1: Joining me on the line is the Minister for Tourism

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Speaker 1: of Major Events and also the Health Minister, Natasha Files.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Good morning, Katie, Good morning listeners.

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Speaker 1: Now, Minister, a tragic situation at the Fink on the

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Speaker 1: weekend with the death of a spectator. NT Police have

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Speaker 1: confirmed that a man in his sixties was killed after

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Speaker 1: Race on the weekend. Two others have been injured. Minister,

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Speaker 1: what was your reaction upon hearing about this tragic situation?

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Speaker 2: On absolute tragedy as you just said, Katie, and my

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Speaker 2: but also the broadest Entrailian community to think is such

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Speaker 2: an iconic event. I know people whether they're interomotorspoort or

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Speaker 2: not in Central Australia and in fact territory wide, love

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Speaker 2: the event. They get out there and camp along the trap.

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Speaker 2: So an absolute tragedy and everyone will be reeling right now.

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Speaker 1: What is the process now for organizers? I know that

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Speaker 1: there has been some disc USh and commentary that those

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Speaker 2: Yes, I have heard some of those spectators and the

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Speaker 2: comments that have made through the media. But we've got

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Speaker 2: a number of investigations. Police have established a crime scene.

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Speaker 2: We also will see a coronial investigation and so we

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Speaker 2: I can imagine the community is in shock.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Have you spoken to many people in the community

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Speaker 2: I've heard from people that are involved in the race

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Speaker 2: and they're absolutely in shock. But they're getting on with

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Speaker 2: what needs to be done right now. But yes, the community,

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Speaker 2: you know, such a happy, fun event, an iconic event,

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Speaker 1: All right, minister, Let's move along to another serious situation

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Speaker 1: on the weekend, a PPE breach at the dah And Port.

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Speaker 1: The Curtein Port workers were apparently involved in servicing a

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Speaker 2: Commercial vessels entering the Northern Territory are processed by Australian

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Speaker 2: Border Force in the Australian Department of Agriculture, and everyone

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Speaker 2: and we also need anyone working down there to wear

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Speaker 2: full PPE, and so the failure to wear full PPE

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Speaker 2: go into mandatory quarantine as a result of those PPA breaches.

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Speaker 1: So whose decision was it for those workers to then

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Speaker 2: But Katie, the Chief Health Officer directed those thirteen port

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Speaker 1: Now, my understanding is that the health authorities were there

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Speaker 1: I can't understand why we're sort of this far into

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Speaker 2: Katie, I'm not aware of that detail, but what I

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Speaker 2: So our Chief Health Officer has made a decision, a

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Speaker 2: tough decision, absolutely, but a decision to protect our broader community.

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Speaker 1: So were they though initially given the go ahead, but

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Speaker 2: Katie, I'm not aware of that detail. What I've been

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Speaker 1: Right, Minister, we have had quite a few people get

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Speaker 2: So, Katie, we've seen regular vessels arriving into the Northern

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Speaker 2: And the chief Health officer here has detected a breach

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Speaker 1: Okay, we also know on Saturday morning, the Health Department

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Speaker 1: All right, It's unfortunately not the only case by the

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Speaker 2: Here, Katie? It certainly is complex, particularly with Victoria being

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Speaker 1: By the sounds of things, though accurate information was provided

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Speaker 2: But Katie, of course, these incidents broadly are concerning Any

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Speaker 2: But this is a complex space that we're dealing in.

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Speaker 2: Our staff are working very hard, Katie. They're working in

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Speaker 1: All right, where are we at at the moment with

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Speaker 2: So, Katie, the decisions that we made by our Chief

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Speaker 1: But the reality is it could happen as early as today.

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Speaker 1: All right, Minister, we will power through because I know

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Speaker 1: But have we got a situation right now where our

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Speaker 2: So Katie, those decisions are clinical, so the ambulances decide

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Speaker 2: I think it's really important for the community, particularly here

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Speaker 2: it's not unusual for someone to be in Royal Zalen

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Speaker 1: Look, I guess the concern here is that we're seriously

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Speaker 2: So, Katie, we have a number of factors staff availability

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Speaker 2: We're looking at the flows of beds and so someone

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Speaker 2: these are complex but we're working through that flow to

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Speaker 2: So yes, we have seen pressure on Royals are in

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Speaker 1: Is that pressure on the staff and also bed demand well,

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Speaker 2: Katie, I haven't got that specific advice. That's the staff

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Speaker 2: We know clearly that mental health is one of those.

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Speaker 2: But what are the other things we can do to

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Speaker 1: All right, minister, we are going to have to move along.

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Speaker 1: And this morning we are about to catch up with

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Speaker 2: What I have confidence, Katie, is a process. And so

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Speaker 1: You said then that you've got confidence in the process.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I have confidence in the commissioner because of the

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Speaker 2: I have confidence in both the individuals and the process.

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Speaker 2: And there's been some serious allegations made which are being

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Speaker 2: reported in the media, and I'll await further comment until

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Speaker 2: those investigations have an outcome.

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Speaker 1: Well, will the government make the i CAAC Inspector Bruce

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Speaker 1: McClintock's report public, Katty, I'd.

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Speaker 2: Have to seek advice on that. I'm not aware of

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Speaker 2: the process. It sits within the Department of the Chief Minister,

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Speaker 2: so I'd have to seek some advice in answering that.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that this situation could taint the iqaq's

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Speaker 1: previous work, Katy.

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Speaker 2: I think that there's some allegations made and it were

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Speaker 2: further until those investigations are concluded.

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Speaker 1: All right now, I mean, at the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: I think all of us should have the higher standard

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Speaker 2: procurement processes go through the right channels so that there

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Speaker 1: Would you have anticipated more to have come out of

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Speaker 2: Cotdie, We've seen a number of investigations from the KAC Commissioner,

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Speaker 2: be finalized before he concludes his term. So for me

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Speaker 2: as a legislator in the Northern Territory Assembly, it's about

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Speaker 2: putting the process in place, providing them with the funding.

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Speaker 2: We have given them additional funding and they're now undertaking

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Speaker 1: All right. Health Minister and also stir for well for

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Speaker 1: leave it there. Really appreciate your time this morning.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you,