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Speaker 1: Throughout the week or yesterday we heard from organizers of

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Speaker 1: the Nightcliff Seabreeze Festival saying that they'll have to cancel

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Speaker 1: the event next year after the City of Darwin reduce

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Speaker 1: their sponsorship of the event by five thousand dollars and

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Speaker 1: sent them a hefty power bill that they can't afford

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Speaker 1: to pay. There's a lot of people who feel really

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Speaker 1: quite disappointed that the event's not going ahead. I know

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Speaker 1: that community groups, food vendors, volunteers and others involved, even

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Speaker 1: those in aged care as we learned yesterday with the

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Speaker 1: entertainers going and performing for the elderly to lift their spirits.

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Speaker 1: Now joining me on the well on the line to

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Speaker 1: tell us the council's side of this story is Darwin's

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Speaker 1: Lord Mayor convat Scalars. Good morning to you, con.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, good morning Katie.

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Speaker 1: Now con from council's perspective, what is the situation here?

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Speaker 1: How much was the council providing the event?

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Speaker 2: Well, we have a long history where Siblis Festival. We've

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Speaker 2: been supporting for eighteen years. Not only were supporting them,

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Speaker 2: but when was a problem like not putting their application

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Speaker 2: for funding in time, we pulled all things to actually

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Speaker 2: provide fundy to them. Might happened last year once again

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Speaker 2: this year they didn't put an application in time. After

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Speaker 2: the application round closed, we approached them and told them,

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Speaker 2: are you going to put an application, and we invite

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Speaker 2: them to put an application. They did put an application

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Speaker 2: for funding for fifty thousand dollars a year for three years,

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Speaker 2: plus twenty five thousand dollars a year in kind. When

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Speaker 2: we were assessing the application, we found out that they

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Speaker 2: own counciled We're about one three hundred and fifty dollars

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Speaker 2: for electricity bill. That's a condition for every single entity

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Speaker 2: that applies from funding from Council. They have to actually

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Speaker 2: pay all their bills and not to be in there

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Speaker 2: to cancel not the Cibers festival only, but everybody else.

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Speaker 2: So we advised them of that one and they know

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Speaker 2: about us since September. Now. I'm very surprised because if

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Speaker 2: they spent a lot of time in radio and social

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Speaker 2: giving funding. If they had spent the same time to

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Speaker 2: organize a fundraiser that will have raised this money, pay

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Speaker 2: the council and then Council will consider the application con.

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Speaker 1: The bill for power though it does seem like a

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Speaker 1: loss of money and quite a hefty bill. Why is

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Speaker 1: it so high, Well, you have.

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Speaker 2: To ask for the Cibus festival, they actually use the

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Speaker 2: power because they had light installations. Now, depending what you're

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Speaker 2: using it for, I.

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Speaker 1: Said that we're using it like for security lighting. Is

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Speaker 1: what Andrew Arthur said on the show yesterday.

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Speaker 2: That happens with a different organizations, got different festivals. They

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Speaker 2: use different different electricity amounts because for their needs. But

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Speaker 2: I mean, I hear the other day I didn't expect

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Speaker 2: this bill. Well, I use electricity in my house. I

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Speaker 2: expect the bill at the end of the three months period.

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Speaker 2: So if you're using some services, you have to pay

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Speaker 2: for it. And that applies to every single entity that

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Speaker 2: applies for funding with Counsel.

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Speaker 1: So CONN where to in terms of that bill in

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Speaker 1: regards to the power bill, I mean, can counsel off

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Speaker 1: for some kind of payment plan or extension for them?

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Speaker 2: Well, no, they can't. The guideline is there. They know

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Speaker 2: about it for eighteen years they applied, they had no problem.

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Speaker 2: All of a sudden they owe thirteen hundred dollars and

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Speaker 2: they say we're not going to pay it. Or we

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Speaker 2: can't pay it. Well, how can you run a festival

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Speaker 2: three hundred thousand dollars a year and can't afford to

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Speaker 2: pay thirteen hundred dollars bill and for this that they

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Speaker 2: had a dollars bill, you're prepared to forego funding from council.

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Speaker 2: But I don't know. I think somebody has to sit

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Speaker 2: down and sing logically and realize is it really worth

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Speaker 2: the fight with the council Because Council doesn't want to

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Speaker 2: fight with the Sibilis Festival. We want to help them.

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Speaker 2: But at the same time, I'm surprid about the stubbornness.

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Speaker 2: It's not my money, it's not your money, it's the

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Speaker 2: ratepayers money. We have to make sure that what applies

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Speaker 2: for one organization applies for everybody, and the Council raises

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Speaker 2: the money that actually been spent by somebody else.

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Speaker 1: I mean, con do you think that the Sabers Festival's

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Speaker 1: plan in games here or is the Council playing games?

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Speaker 2: The Council does not play games for the sib reason.

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Speaker 2: All our guidelines are in black and white. Every single

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Speaker 2: organization is not about it. We had another two organizations

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Speaker 2: applied for funding and they got it. I don't know

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Speaker 2: if she plays games or not. But I think seriously

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Speaker 2: and they want really to forego this year Seeblis festival

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Speaker 2: because I'd love to see it happening. But at the

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Speaker 2: same time, and we're prepared to help them if they

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Speaker 2: and some obligations. Fulfill these liability and obligations and get

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Speaker 1: Con Have I always been slugged this power bill or

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Speaker 1: is it just something that's you know, that's come up

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Speaker 1: over the last year, like the last Seabreeze festival, Because

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Speaker 1: they seem like I was surprised by it, like it

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Speaker 2: If you use electricity, if you use water, use surags.

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Speaker 2: I mean, somebody has to pay for it, and you

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Speaker 2: pay the supplier of this. Why we never had a

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Speaker 2: problem before when they actually used electricity, because certainly is

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Speaker 2: And why all of a sudden this matter arises now.

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Speaker 2: I don't know I can answer this question. It's something

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Speaker 2: they have to answer the question. I mean, I hear

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Speaker 2: crazy things like somehow the councilor has gagged it's consuls. Yes,

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Speaker 2: we haven't caged the councilors.

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Speaker 1: Our counselors. Are our counselors allowed to talk to the

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Speaker 2: I called my councilors and find out not of the

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Speaker 2: local councilors the Nightlift councils have been approached by Sea Breeze. Now,

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Speaker 2: of course, if you apply for granting, you can't lobby

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Speaker 2: the councilors for granting for a grant, but you can

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Speaker 2: come and do a full presentation to the full council. Again,

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Speaker 2: if they had a problem, I would first suddenly myself,

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Speaker 2: as I have been in this situation before, I will

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Speaker 2: approach the local councilors and discuss it. Not loving for

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Speaker 2: grand but discuss the issue. I spoke to three of them,

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Speaker 2: none of them being approached by personally buy Sea Bries Festival.

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Speaker 1: So coin where currently sits right now? The Sabras Festival

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Speaker 1: to pay. If you pay the bill, you'll be able

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Speaker 1: to get your grant. Like where to from here?

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Speaker 2: Well, the ball is in the air quarters. I mean,

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Speaker 2: it looks to me like a little stubborn child. I'm

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Speaker 2: not going to do it. You have to do it. Well, guys,

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Speaker 2: there are guidelines that apply to every single entity, every

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Speaker 2: you're forgiven a debt that for power you used? And

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Speaker 2: what about the others? And what am I going to

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Speaker 2: for it. Come on, let's get real. You're telling us

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Speaker 2: you want to run the Seabriss Festival, you secure funding

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Speaker 2: from the government. Is the problem in one three hundred

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Speaker 1: I mean. Con I'm like, I feel quite torn on

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Speaker 1: I mean, we heard yesterday from one of our listeners

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Speaker 1: when the Sea Breeze Festival is on. But then the

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Speaker 1: other part of me knows from my own organization and

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Speaker 1: working with the committee on run with Dad every Father's Day,

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Speaker 1: that there are different bills that have to be paid

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Speaker 1: contingencies in place, and that those bills have to be played.

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Speaker 1: But we want this to continue on, like we want

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Speaker 1: the Sea Breeze Festival to continue on. So I just

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Speaker 1: don't know where to go to from here because it

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Speaker 1: actually seems like both entities are being a bit stubborn.

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Speaker 2: No, we're not stubborn. We're not stubborn at all. That

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Speaker 2: this guideline has been in place for many, many, many years.

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Speaker 2: Everybody who applies for a grant the council reach the guidelines,

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Speaker 2: knows the guidelines applies in our chords with this guidelines.

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Speaker 2: The stubbornness is from the other side. They refuse to

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Speaker 2: if were the build, what's next? How much is next?

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Speaker 2: And who else is next. If everybody else comply, why

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Speaker 2: can't you comply? And if you don't have the contingency

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Speaker 2: have to look in the operation model how they operate

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Speaker 2: and make some changes. And as I said to you before,

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Speaker 2: instead of spending your money talking to the radio complaining

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Speaker 2: then it can apply for grants like everybody else.

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Speaker 1: He's done con somebody's message through on us. Did council

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Speaker 2: We always build them for the services we provide them,

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Speaker 2: always build with give them the power as well and

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Speaker 2: in kind. And if they've got a power bill, they

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Speaker 2: get built for it and they pay for it.

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Speaker 1: So for the last ite and years they have been

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Speaker 2: Well, I can't go back in the last eighteen years.

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Speaker 2: Don't have in front of me for the last few

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Speaker 2: If we provide a service to an organization and that's

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Speaker 1: And so for the last few years they have paid

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Speaker 1: for power. Like the power element is not a new element.

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Speaker 1: Of the services that they're paying for.

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Speaker 2: There are nine new elements in the service. Well, in

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Speaker 2: the past fifteen years, obviously they were not in debt

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Speaker 2: to the council. That's where they got funding. Eighteen years

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Speaker 2: don't fund them. There's no problem from the council, apart

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Speaker 2: from the situation where an organization does not have paid

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Speaker 2: the guidelines to apply for council funding.

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Speaker 1: Does the council make it too hard in terms of

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Speaker 2: Two organizations apply for funding and god the funding they asked.

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Speaker 2: There's no red tape. Provide the guidelines, you know, in

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Speaker 2: front of everybody, this is what you have to do

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Speaker 2: to apply for grants. And we give grants four hundred

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Speaker 2: thousand dollars a year to community organization. We give out.

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Speaker 2: Nobody else has complained today. Everybody is quite happy to

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Speaker 2: get funding from council. All of a sudden, one organized

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Speaker 1: No, I don't mean just with Look, I don't just

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Speaker 1: mean with providing funding, because not every community event that

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Speaker 1: happens needs funding. In fact, there's a lot of them

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Speaker 1: that happened that don't actually need that funding. But it

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Speaker 1: can be very difficult to go through the process of

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Speaker 1: organizing events. An event, I mean even when you look

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Speaker 2: Well, we even providing officers council officers to assist organization

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Speaker 2: to right the application for the council grants, so we

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Speaker 2: put backwards to actually give money to organization that they

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Speaker 2: want to organize an event. We provide in kind and

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Speaker 2: money Greek Lending, we provide thousands of dollars in kind support,

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Speaker 2: idiot Mintle all these big events we provide in kind

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Speaker 2: support and we provide an offset that sits down with

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Speaker 2: the applicants to write the application. Councilors a year before

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Speaker 2: give four hundred thousand dollars a year it was the

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Speaker 2: red tape would be giving that money or there would

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Speaker 2: be a lot of outcry in the community for council

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Speaker 2: not giving money.

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Speaker 1: Out Look, it's a real it is a real mix

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Speaker 1: bag from our listeners this morning as well. I know

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Speaker 1: that there are some people saying, come on you know,

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Speaker 1: the Sea Breeze Festival's got to go ahead. Others saying, look,

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Speaker 1: I with con on this one. They've got to pay

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Speaker 1: their bills like everybody else needs to. But con, if

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Speaker 1: they do pay that bill for the power, have they

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Speaker 1: still got that grant ready and available or is the

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Speaker 1: council still cutting that by five thousand?

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Speaker 2: No, No hold on the trouble we've got with these

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Speaker 2: particular festivals. They apply for funding outside the round of applications,

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Speaker 2: it's only what's left in the till I can't find

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Speaker 2: any more money to give them. If they apply in time,

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Speaker 2: then they will be considered together with everybody else. Now,

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Speaker 2: if you come to me a month or two months

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Speaker 2: later after the round of application is closed and money

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Speaker 2: have been allocated, I can't just print money and give

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Speaker 2: it to you. Get what it's left over. If they

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Speaker 2: pay their bill, they come to us for an application,

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Speaker 2: we will find money and we'll catch some money and

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Speaker 2: we'll give them money. This is another thing again, as

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Speaker 2: a committee, get your act together. Put your application in

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Speaker 2: time so you're in the pool for the money to

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Speaker 2: be allocated. Don't just delay and come afterwards and demand

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Speaker 2: an amount of money that's impossible for us to provide you.

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Speaker 1: Well, conbat scholars, I'll be really interested to see where

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Speaker 1: this all lands and exactly what the situation is. But look,

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Speaker 1: I hope the Rays Festival is able to still go ahead.

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Speaker 1: Like I said earlier, I know that it does provide

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Speaker 1: opportunities for a lot of school students and that kind

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Speaker 1: of thing who perform there. So it would be wonderful

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Speaker 1: for it to still be able to happen.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and now want the sibers face about to go ahead.

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Speaker 2: But again, as I said to you before the committee,

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Speaker 2: instead of actually wasting their time going jumping up and

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Speaker 2: down about it, get together, get your apt together, do

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Speaker 2: a fundraising fund, raise the money, pay the money, get

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Speaker 2: the fund and then you can get the Yoshi Bridge

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Speaker 2: cop happening again.

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Speaker 1: Well, Convat Scolus the Lord Mayor of Dawin, we better

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Speaker 1: leave it there. Thank you very much for your time

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Speaker 1: this morning.

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Speaker 2: Thank you Katie, thank you