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Speaker 1: for clicking and downloading on today's episode with Jill, the
Speaker 1: thirteenth eliminated contestant on Master Chef Australia, which is on
Speaker 1: Network ten from Sunday nights through to Wednesday nights at
Speaker 1: seven point thirty. For my guest today, Jill, food is
Speaker 1: a love language. She has been influenced deeply by her
Speaker 1: mum and her beloved late Honor, who gifted her the
Speaker 1: use of food as a love language, as well as
Speaker 1: by her late father who taught her about intuition in
Speaker 1: the kitchen, to trust her palette and to balance flavors
Speaker 1: and textures when preparing food with care. Jill is a
Speaker 1: Woollongong local, a very talented artist who has run her
Speaker 1: own lettering art business for eight years, creating logos, painting
Speaker 1: war murals, and we really felt a lot of her
Speaker 1: creative ambitions through her time in the Master Chef kitchen.
Speaker 1: I loved catching up with Jill, as you can imagine,
Speaker 1: I have loved reading her comments that she has received.
Speaker 1: There's actually something quite raw and I'm filtered about our
Speaker 1: chat today and I hope you guys really enjoy it.
Speaker 1: Jill will unpack everything from losing her father to hating
Speaker 1: coffee and why being a creative is actually so important
Speaker 1: to her. We will unpack the Master Chef Kitchen in
Speaker 1: terms of how much interaction with fans they're allowed to
Speaker 1: have during the season and what she has appreciated from
Speaker 1: reading your comments online. I will also ask Jill about
Speaker 1: the decision to use luck, chance and Circumstance games to
Speaker 1: decide on elimination challenges and what she would like to
Speaker 1: change about the competition in regards to that. We will
Speaker 1: also discuss why Harry is her choice to win and
Speaker 1: what she thinks Poe has taught the twenty twenty four alumni.
Speaker 1: There's a lot to talk about with Jill, so sit
Speaker 1: back and relax as we unpack her wonderful time in
Speaker 1: the Master Chef Australian Kitchen. Hi Jill, how are you?
Speaker 2: Hi Ben? I'm good. Thanks, how are you?
Speaker 1: I'm doing very well. I'm very excited to talk to
Speaker 1: you and congratulations on an amazing effort taking on the
Speaker 1: Master Chef Kitchen. But more importantly, the way in which
Speaker 1: you had connected with the judges and the contestants. I
Speaker 1: think you had upskilled there better than anyone that's been
Speaker 1: on this competition thus far.
Speaker 2: Oh thank you. That means so much. Look, it was
Speaker 2: incredibly emotional, but it was a really nice, wholesome send
Speaker 2: off as well.
Speaker 1: Really was, and I feel like, whenever you're having a
Speaker 1: down day, go back and read that Instagram post you
Speaker 1: posted last night after your elimination, because let me tell you,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I've read everyone's every week as
Speaker 1: clearly or as accurately as I read yours, but what
Speaker 1: people had to say about you is amazing.
Speaker 2: Oh thank you. Yeah, it's really touched my heart and
Speaker 2: brought me back up after obviously such a deflating end
Speaker 2: to my journey. But like I said, it was really
Speaker 2: nice to read everybody's supportive comments, and it's been like
Speaker 2: that throughout the entire thing, so I feel very, very
Speaker 2: blessed and grateful to have all that.
Speaker 1: Well, I just think that it's not always easy to
Speaker 1: feel things and let people know what you're going through,
Speaker 1: and I think that's a part of your currency, is
Speaker 1: that you're very transparent with your emotions and your feelings.
Speaker 1: But one thing I relate to a lot is that
Speaker 1: you're a hustler, and I love a hustle, you know what.
Speaker 2: Like I am such a hustler and I have that
Speaker 2: mentality with me every day. But I also wear my
Speaker 2: heart and my sleeve, and that is my motto is
Speaker 2: hustle and heart will set you apart. And I live
Speaker 2: through that every day. You know, I'm not afraid to
Speaker 2: go out and work really hard and hustle and have
Speaker 2: some grit. But I'm also not afraid to show tears
Speaker 2: and have full transparency and share my honest feelings and
Speaker 2: emotions with everyone and anyone.
Speaker 1: I think it's not an easy thing, you know, And
Speaker 1: sometimes I struggle with it as well, Like I think, oh,
Speaker 1: why do I have to be this person? But by
Speaker 1: being that and being genuine, by being authentic, it's your
Speaker 1: biggest currency.
Speaker 2: I agree, one hundred percent. And I actually don't know
Speaker 2: how to be fake, and sometimes I wish I did,
Speaker 2: so I could it might be a little bit easier
Speaker 2: for me to live every day life.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm always going to think about just while
Speaker 1: we're talking about this is I'm always going to think
Speaker 1: about the look of concern on your face as you
Speaker 1: were looking through the pantry. There was a real oh
Speaker 1: my god. I feel like I think about what I
Speaker 1: would be like on this show quite a lot, and
Speaker 1: I feel like that's the nightmare for me, is just
Speaker 1: being there and having too many options and not necessarily
Speaker 1: knowing where to go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is the look of not going shopping with
Speaker 2: a go through list and not prepping for the week,
Speaker 2: and that's what will happen me. You know.
Speaker 1: It's also really potent for me to watch your emotional
Speaker 1: speech about your father when they were trying your food,
Speaker 1: and it's interesting because you were saying that your father
Speaker 1: had said for you not to be scared and not
Speaker 1: to be fearful because he wouldn't be around to fight
Speaker 1: your battles. I wanted to add something to that because
Speaker 1: my father didn't pass anything to me to use. But
Speaker 1: I had this dream shortly afterwards that my dad came
Speaker 1: to me in this dream and he told me that
Speaker 1: now that he is gone, that he actually would have
Speaker 1: more control over one happens to me in my life,
Speaker 1: rather than less.
Speaker 2: And oh wow.
Speaker 1: Over the years that kind of followed, there were some
Speaker 1: things that came down to maybe luck, chance and circumstance,
Speaker 1: I guess, but things really went in my favor, and
Speaker 1: I just chose to believe even though I've lost my father,
Speaker 1: there is this power, there's this other force now rooting
Speaker 1: for me, making things happen, and I've chosen to believe that.
Speaker 1: And I wondered whether or not for you, whether or
Speaker 1: not you feel like maybe your father's up there rooting
Speaker 1: for you for.
Speaker 2: Sure, And I think that's the power in perspective, but
Speaker 2: also what absence can have, and that just also shows you,
Speaker 2: Like I said, with perspective, that presence and absence have
Speaker 2: an equal impact, and obviously you know both with you
Speaker 2: and me, even though our fathers aren't here, it's how
Speaker 2: we focus on what they do bring to us in
Speaker 2: everyday life and what we do to carry on with
Speaker 2: their spirit within, and how they can look over us
Speaker 2: and you know, what we've been brought up with or
Speaker 2: what they've taught us along the way or left us behind,
Speaker 2: all those things carried through. And I love to be
Speaker 2: fully transparent with how I did connect with my dad
Speaker 2: when he was around, also how I can connect him
Speaker 2: with him without him sorry as well, And I think
Speaker 2: that's equally as important as each other. I mean, I'd
Speaker 2: obviously love for him to be around and to share
Speaker 2: this experience with him, but I really felt that I
Speaker 2: was able to carry his presence within me as well
Speaker 2: as I cooked every day. Yeah, so I think it's
Speaker 2: a beautiful thing if you have enough vulnerability to be
Speaker 2: able to share that as well and be honest about it,
Speaker 2: because not only are you able to share that with people,
Speaker 2: but you're able to allow people to see that that's
Speaker 2: okay to do as well. And it's such a beautiful thing.
Speaker 2: It should be so celebrated to be able to feel
Speaker 2: all of those big emotions as well.
Speaker 1: Just to sidestep all of that, because that's a different podcast,
Speaker 1: grief and bereavement. I was wondering, if you didn't like
Speaker 1: coffee before, you must certainly hate it now.
Speaker 2: You know What's so funny? Within me, I should be like,
Speaker 2: you know what, I'm never having coffee again, but it
Speaker 2: fueled my fire even more to just go tackle a
Speaker 2: coffee dessert and just absolutely nail it. That means, yes,
Speaker 2: trying more coffee, but yeah, I do hate it, and
Speaker 2: I think that actually stemmed from waking up in the
Speaker 2: morning in my family household as a child and making
Speaker 2: my mom and dad an instant coffee, and one person
Speaker 2: would have one teaspoon of next cafe or whatever the
Speaker 2: hell it was, and then my mom would have one
Speaker 2: and a half, and they'd all have different sugar and
Speaker 2: stuff and this and that, and so that instant smell
Speaker 2: every morning of instant coffee was actually a negative connotation
Speaker 2: as opposed to something that I really enjoyed doing. So
Speaker 2: I feel like that's where it stems from. And now
Speaker 2: I'm going to have that negative experience again of smelling
Speaker 2: coffee because it's set me out of master chef obviously
Speaker 2: being vitnamere is Italian. As I talk about, I'm a
Speaker 2: perfect candidate, but I'm also a creative and I sleep
Speaker 2: very late, like I sleep between midnight and two am
Speaker 2: pretty much every day, and that's probably being generous. So
Speaker 2: I am the perfect candidate to be a coffee drinker.
Speaker 2: And everybody that will go off and get a coffee
Speaker 2: in the morning, whether it's for work or a friend
Speaker 2: or whatever, they're always asking me because they just expect
Speaker 2: me to drink coffee. And I swear once every two
Speaker 2: days I have to say I don't drink coffee.
Speaker 1: This is something we need to rectify.
Speaker 2: Trust me, all of my friends think that and they
Speaker 2: try to change it, but it's never happening. Vietnamese coffee
Speaker 2: different because it's very sweet, like condensed milk and all
Speaker 2: that sort of stuff, which is why I took the
Speaker 2: inspiration from it. But yeah, that's the only real thing
Speaker 2: that I would have coffee.
Speaker 1: Well, desserts aren't necessarily my strongest competency of food either.
Speaker 1: When I saw that, I related very hard. Before I
Speaker 1: get into why that is so hard? What did you
Speaker 1: learn from Adriano Zimbo working with him? Because Sweetweek was
Speaker 1: so crazy and those desserts were so incredible to see
Speaker 1: being put together. Was there something in particular you learned
Speaker 1: from him?
Speaker 2: He was so generous in offering an advice or feedback
Speaker 2: on and off the screen. He's got such an empire
Speaker 2: for sweets, and he's an icon in terms of macarons
Speaker 2: or shoes and a cock and bush, even though they're
Speaker 2: also scary desert than technical and precise. He has given
Speaker 2: us some sort of connection to a story or an
Speaker 2: experience or a feeling in terms of desserts and emotions,
Speaker 2: and it's crazy how he's done that through these also
Speaker 2: complex and difficult dishes. And I think that's what I
Speaker 2: learned the most from Adriana Zumbo is that you really
Speaker 2: do have to be able to tell a story or
Speaker 2: have this connection with deserts because they can be easily
Speaker 2: overshadowed by the complexity of it and the technicalities of
Speaker 2: the dish itself or whatever you're making. And I think
Speaker 2: that's so easy to do with deserts because we just
Speaker 2: think of it of it's a highly skillful thing to
Speaker 2: be able to make desserts and to balance this and
Speaker 2: that and have all these techniques within it. It's so
Speaker 2: easy to forget the story and the connection of emotion
Speaker 2: through food with desserts sometimes because you've got that overshadowing.
Speaker 2: But what adrian Zumbo reminds us all is that the
Speaker 2: importance is a story and how it leaves an impact
Speaker 2: after the meal, because it's not just something that you've
Speaker 2: baked for a certain amount of time or coort a
Speaker 2: certin amount measurement in it's a story that you're left with.
Speaker 2: It's a nostalgia. It's the new memories you're creating, and
Speaker 2: that's going to create an impact that will be remembered
Speaker 2: for life. When you walk out those doors or when
Speaker 2: you finish your meal. I finally learned that towards the end.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's what I cook with most of the time.
Speaker 2: But being a person that's not a dessert coal, I
Speaker 2: was focusing on the technique. I think that's what I
Speaker 2: brought with me after the end of that week, is that, Yeah,
Speaker 2: the story is important to have that long lasting impact.
Speaker 2: When you're watching back, there is a lot of stories
Speaker 2: connected to it, and some people are like, oh, another
Speaker 2: sub story, another story, this and that and the other
Speaker 2: pide of like, this is what food does. This is
Speaker 2: the beauty of it. It does connect food with people
Speaker 2: or with love or emotions, and I think people accept
Speaker 2: it without noticing. Sometimes when you're watching a TV show,
Speaker 2: it's obviously more profound because they're talking about it with
Speaker 2: a drama music behind it and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that is the beauty of food, and the
Speaker 2: beauty of Master Chef is that it really allows that
Speaker 2: to sing and sells it.
Speaker 1: How hard was that macaron challenge? Though? Because I don't
Speaker 1: mind a macaron every now and again. It mainly begs
Speaker 1: my mum's obsessed with them, so Mum's always, you know,
Speaker 1: forcing them upon me and maybe over time I've built
Speaker 1: up a taste for it. But I find that that
Speaker 1: would be very stressful, you know. I also find having
Speaker 1: a challenge that determines who cooks that could come down
Speaker 1: to sort of luck and chance. Do you worry that
Speaker 1: that's maybe not the best way to select who has
Speaker 1: to be in an elimination cook.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, I'm not even gonna lie or sugarcoat
Speaker 2: that pun intended. I think that was the hardest thing
Speaker 2: about just entering top ten as well and trying to
Speaker 2: push beyond that, which is obviously closer to the win.
Speaker 2: The angle for everyone at that point is that our
Speaker 2: elimination spot was determined by the luck of the door
Speaker 2: of what flavor you get, and also so many overwhelming
Speaker 2: thoughts in your head and in your gut that you've
Speaker 2: got when you're trying to guess is you know, don't
Speaker 2: second guess yourself flavors, but also looking at the colors
Speaker 2: and then try to take all the stressful, nervous feelings
Speaker 2: and anxiety feelings of knowing that you're just into a
Speaker 2: cutthroat three person elimination, which is the first three person
Speaker 2: elimination as well for the competition. There's just so many
Speaker 2: things that it did. You have, like this looming cloud
Speaker 2: over my head beyond the hundreds of macarons that I
Speaker 2: was sharing me straight dead in the eye.
Speaker 1: I was intimidationd well. I was really intimidated, but also
Speaker 1: was angry because I'm like luck, chance and circumstances in
Speaker 1: this environment about such a small amount of people being
Speaker 1: selected to cook in an elimination cook seemed like there's
Speaker 1: a possibility that organizing a challenge like the flavor of
Speaker 1: desserts could favor some contestants who, you know, maybe sweet
Speaker 1: is their specialty, So like organizing a challenge at that
Speaker 1: point that maybe not as dessert being your favorite thing
Speaker 1: becomes like an inconvenience for you even more.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think I would have loved that for
Speaker 2: me at the start of the week. To then progress
Speaker 2: into a challenge where you cook off for immunity rather
Speaker 2: than elimination, in my mind, that seems a lot more yeah, understandable, logical,
Speaker 2: But you know, it is what it is. It's a
Speaker 2: competition at the end of the day, and we signed
Speaker 2: ourselves up to this, so you just face it. And
Speaker 2: that's why I had to, you know, you couldn't see
Speaker 2: it there, but I felt it internally. I didn't have
Speaker 2: such a brave face watch to go over it, but
Speaker 2: I felt it internally that I was going to power
Speaker 2: through it. I was going to battle through. And I
Speaker 2: made the promise to myself that I was going to
Speaker 2: back myself throughout that cook as much as I can
Speaker 2: because I learned so much at the end of that
Speaker 2: week that I had to carry that on but also
Speaker 2: still wear my armor that I always do.
Speaker 1: I always think about what would you do to change
Speaker 1: the competition? Is there something that now that you've come
Speaker 1: out the other side of it, would you change something?
Speaker 1: And I guess that's my question to you. Do you
Speaker 1: think that they should take out? I mean, they're really
Speaker 1: fun and they're great television moments, like all of the
Speaker 1: tasting when you get blindfolded, all of these sorts of things, like,
Speaker 1: it's great television. But do you think that that should
Speaker 1: determine like a bonus something else and not necessarily determine
Speaker 1: who's going to cook in those elimination corks?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely would change that.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, I hate that on the card when you
Speaker 1: know when you're leaving the restaurant, there's a little bit
Speaker 1: of advice.
Speaker 2: Yes, I ate hid in that at all. I would
Speaker 2: not put a taste to send you into an elimination
Speaker 2: because it is fifty percent Lork. It depends on where
Speaker 2: you sit in that lineup. It depends on what flavor
Speaker 2: you get. And yes, we're supposed to know a lot
Speaker 2: of flavors, and you know we're supposed to have that knowledge,
Speaker 2: but you know, if you're getting something that's as easy
Speaker 2: as banana I was supposed to, or like peanut butter
Speaker 2: I got. I got peanut butter first, and it was
Speaker 2: straight up like a peanut butter paste, right, But then
Speaker 2: some of the other flavors they had to put that
Speaker 2: in differently, so you're getting a different texture from the
Speaker 2: one that you did last or what someone else might get.
Speaker 2: So you might get the ingredient that it's in its
Speaker 2: raw and purest form, or you might get the other one,
Speaker 2: which is my second one, which was mint that I
Speaker 2: guess basil, and it wasn't like straight up mint of
Speaker 2: course spread onto a macaron. So there's two differences there,
Speaker 2: and it you know, it comes down to life, but
Speaker 2: it also comes down to your knowledge. So the fifty
Speaker 2: to fifty game in about it not to send you
Speaker 2: in an elimination thing.
Speaker 1: For me, the reason why it's so stressful is because
Speaker 1: of the way in which I make decisions in my
Speaker 1: own life. Maybe my undiagnosed ADHD, I don't know, but
Speaker 1: when I I will immediately think the answer is something,
Speaker 1: and I always second guess my first thought and go
Speaker 1: with my second thought, which is always wrong. And you'd
Speaker 1: think over time that I'd learned not to do that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's where it would be really confusing because
Speaker 1: immediately sometimes you go, well, that's what the flavor is,
Speaker 1: but ah, there's a different texture to that, so I'm
Speaker 1: going to go with option two, which is wrong.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, And you really have to in those
Speaker 2: TASSS challenges. You really have to listen to your gut
Speaker 2: instinct and remind yourself that you do know what you're
Speaker 2: talking about, because the minute that you second guess, the
Speaker 2: minute things start to go the opposite direction and you
Speaker 2: just second guess the whole time, and then you start
Speaker 2: bringing to other ingredients. It might be you're an overload
Speaker 2: at that point, and I think that's when you start
Speaker 2: to see, oh crap, this is where I'm going to
Speaker 2: go wrong. If you don't know instantly, then you're not
Speaker 2: going to know, you know.
Speaker 1: And actually going back to something that we're talking about earlier
Speaker 1: about social media, it just made me think of something,
Speaker 1: and that is is this one of the only reality
Speaker 1: shows where contestants are still allowed to have their social
Speaker 1: media throughout the show? Like are you because like a
Speaker 1: lot of reality shows, they take their social media away
Speaker 1: from participants or contestants. Are you able to interact with
Speaker 1: fans and everyone freely, like there's no restrictions on any
Speaker 1: of that during filming.
Speaker 2: Obviously it's very different to when it's on air. But
Speaker 2: whilst it's on air, yeah, we're allowed to interact. We
Speaker 2: have certain guidelines, of course, but I think, yeah, it
Speaker 2: is very different to a lot of other shows. I'm
Speaker 2: not too sure that in the exact rules, but we're
Speaker 2: allowed to interact. And I think that's also a really
Speaker 2: nice part of Master Chef is the audience can be
Speaker 2: a part of the experience real time and how it
Speaker 2: watches and how it resonates with people by us being
Speaker 2: able to interact and engage with our audience, and I
Speaker 2: think that that's a cool aspect. It obviously can have
Speaker 2: its pros and cons because the Internet is a wild
Speaker 2: world space.
Speaker 1: It's a scary place to be girlfriend.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but I think I think if you're able
Speaker 2: to get through something like Master Chef as well, you
Speaker 2: can have that strong cap on and get through the interweb.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think the key thing there is that
Speaker 2: we are able to engage with our audience and that
Speaker 2: allows an even bigger celebration for everyone.
Speaker 1: That's what I always think. I'm like, you're missing out
Speaker 1: on that person understanding their brand, like if you remove
Speaker 1: their ability to connect with people on social media, and
Speaker 1: maybe some of these shows are a little bit different
Speaker 1: and the type of personality is a little bit different.
Speaker 1: There's probably other factors that I'm not putting into place,
Speaker 1: but I'm always like, let that person interact with their audience,
Speaker 1: like they know themselves better than anything. You're getting some
Speaker 1: free publicity. This this is some extra work that you
Speaker 1: don't have to do, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but let's be real, We're not going to get
Speaker 2: the people from I don't know, maths to connect with
Speaker 2: their audience in real time. But Master Chef is about
Speaker 2: celebrating the connection of food and people, so it makes sense.
Speaker 1: There bringing in a good point there, and I really
Speaker 1: appreciate that. I have been asking everyone as well. This
Speaker 1: is so annoying. And I don't know if you've heard
Speaker 1: any of my podcasts, but I've been asking people to
Speaker 1: have there. Oh well, thank you for listening. I've been
Speaker 1: asking people who their favorite judge and who they want
Speaker 1: to win at this point? Can you help me out
Speaker 1: with those two.
Speaker 2: I've been dreading this question, but I've been preparing myself.
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, when you look in the mirror
Speaker 2: and you give yourself this pep talk. I'm like, yep, bet,
Speaker 2: I've got my answer. I'm ready to go. Let's good,
Speaker 2: Let's rip off the band aid. You know what, everybody knows.
Speaker 2: I love them anyway, so it's not gonna hurt. It's
Speaker 2: not going to leave anyone but hurt's fine. Favorite judge
Speaker 2: and of course love them more. But Poe hands down,
Speaker 2: and she gives you advice on and off screen and
Speaker 2: supports you through thick and thin, and she is just
Speaker 2: the auntie that everybody loves and everybody needs in their life.
Speaker 2: She is a beautiful person. And I think it also
Speaker 2: helps that she came from a contestant perspective. Twice you
Speaker 2: know she is very successful. Regardless of being the person
Speaker 2: that came out to win, she has brought so much
Speaker 2: success upon herself from working hard and perseverance and just
Speaker 2: going through so many obstacles and coming out on the
Speaker 2: other side winning for herself. And I think that that's
Speaker 2: really beautiful and something that resonated with us a lot,
Speaker 2: and she was able to support us so much through that,
Speaker 2: so definitely.
Speaker 1: Po and then also the fact that she put that
Speaker 1: post on your Instagram as well, so lovely, like in
Speaker 1: the comment.
Speaker 2: I know, I honestly, I have so many things that I
Speaker 2: haven't written back to because it was very overwhelming, but
Speaker 2: I was also just dealing with it. But there's so
Speaker 2: many beautiful things that I need to get back to
Speaker 2: and so many words I have to say still. But yes,
Speaker 2: she's such a beautiful person, and that's what I mean.
Speaker 2: She's she's so genuine, so authentic, and she always has
Speaker 2: so much heart and love to give as well at
Speaker 2: the same time, and yeah, like a part of her
Speaker 2: reminds me of myself too, is she always has this ambition,
Speaker 2: and I think that's because she's an artist as well,
Speaker 2: so I can really relate to her so she's an
Speaker 2: artist and she's she has so much love to give,
Speaker 2: but she's always such a hustler too, and she's got
Speaker 2: very much and more time in between any of her days,
Speaker 2: which is the same as me. But you know, at
Speaker 2: the court, she still is willing to give her time
Speaker 2: to you, and that's what I do as well as
Speaker 2: much as I can.
Speaker 1: So you're already putting your feet in those footsteps, like
Speaker 1: think about those things, those comparisons, so like where you
Speaker 1: can take this moving forward and coming from those beginnings
Speaker 1: that Poe has had herself. I think it's really powerful
Speaker 1: and there's a really strong message in that as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there definitely is, and thank you. Yeah, I feel
Speaker 2: like I feel like it really made sense coming from
Speaker 2: someone like Poe as well, to remind us all the
Speaker 2: time that you didn't have to win to win, and
Speaker 2: just being a master cheff in itself was a big
Speaker 2: enough win for me. Obviously, it's deflating when you get
Speaker 2: out and your journey gets cut short, shorter than you expected,
Speaker 2: but it is still a win at the end of day.
Speaker 2: It's such a huge accomplishment to be.
Speaker 1: There, absolutely absolutely, and winning I don't think is also
Speaker 1: the best thing ever either, I think that sometimes there
Speaker 1: are challenges in winning. Sometimes the runner up in these
Speaker 1: shows becomes the most successful, and that is because of
Speaker 1: if they haven't let it gazump them, it's making them
Speaker 1: work still that little bit harder.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's complacency in winning as well, and some people
Speaker 2: fall into that chat and some people don't. And not
Speaker 2: winning can also have its benefits too. You know, look
Speaker 2: back Australia at Idol Shat and all.
Speaker 1: He got robbed, but Anthony Clear would tell you that
Speaker 1: he was robbed over Casey done. Anyway, this is a
Speaker 1: different podcast. You get retrospective of all reality shows at something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to start a different episode. That's something
Speaker 2: else to cover.
Speaker 1: I'm here for a girlfriend. I'm so into that. But
Speaker 1: you have to tell me who you want to win
Speaker 1: at this point, and this is even harder. I think
Speaker 1: this question that has become even harder as the numbers
Speaker 1: have become less. But you have to give it to me.
Speaker 1: What have you got?
Speaker 2: I have so many people that I want to win.
Speaker 2: That's a whole different thing.
Speaker 1: But just the one, just the one, it has to
Speaker 1: be the one.
Speaker 2: I know how this works. I've listened to you Van.
Speaker 1: I know, I feel it's such an asshole. I feel
Speaker 1: like I say that all the time, but you know
Speaker 1: it's it's you know, I can't remember it was. But
Speaker 1: one of the other contestants said, I guess this is
Speaker 1: why people listen as well, because it's a little ruthless
Speaker 1: and people like being a bit ruthless. And I guess
Speaker 1: you've probably enjoyed it at certain points when you've heard
Speaker 1: other people's answers when it's not you in the position.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I loved it. I loved it, especially when Joshi,
Speaker 2: I think it was Joshi. He tried to flip in
Speaker 2: like about twelve names and he's like this one, this
Speaker 2: on this or that and then and then I got
Speaker 2: slipped in this, so I was like, whoa.
Speaker 1: Yeay, and then I would have cut him down. I
Speaker 1: would have cut him down and said, give me the
Speaker 1: one name. Yes, I'm doing it.
Speaker 2: You did.
Speaker 3: You definitely did, back to the question, and so I
Speaker 3: would love all them to and of course to be
Speaker 3: very diplomatic, but I think my answer would have to
Speaker 3: be Harry.
Speaker 2: He's my best mate in there, and he's grown so
Speaker 2: much from the very beginning, and he's just got the
Speaker 2: biggest heart as well, such a sensitive guy and so
Speaker 2: full of heart and emotions too. But he is you know,
Speaker 2: She's a beautiful man that has so much talent and
Speaker 2: so much thought to his food and understanding of not
Speaker 2: only fish but food is a whole and technique. And
Speaker 2: he's grown so much throughout the competition that I would
Speaker 2: love him to win. But I also love dush Alex.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's enough. That's enough. I'm done.
Speaker 2: I'm done.
Speaker 1: You've got to love What is something from behind the
Speaker 1: scenes though, something that you can share with me that's
Speaker 1: kind of like a behind the scenes secret of your
Speaker 1: time on the show, Like, what is something from you
Speaker 1: that you thought, Wow, I really didn't know that about
Speaker 1: what it would be like to be on this show.
Speaker 2: There is a lot of downtime. I mean, it is O,
Speaker 2: go go all the time, but there is also a
Speaker 2: lot of downtime and waiting. And I feel like that's
Speaker 2: just the kickback to everybody else waiting for me for
Speaker 2: half their life when I'm always running late to get
Speaker 2: to somewhere, and it's just paying me back to all
Speaker 2: those times, all those years. But there is a lot
Speaker 2: of waiting, and you have to be wise with your time.
Speaker 2: Whether you're studying in between or in the green room,
Speaker 2: everybody's bloody mapping. And Alex Christy, she would take photos
Speaker 2: of people fall in a sleep and she would get everyone.
Speaker 2: But I said to her at the very beginning, you're
Speaker 2: never going to get me sleeping, because A I don't nap,
Speaker 2: and be I barely sleep.
Speaker 1: And she never got you sleeping.
Speaker 2: She never did. Okay, she never got me sleeping, so
Speaker 2: she got everybody else pretty much catching a nap. It's
Speaker 2: so much down time. And some people play p's and a's,
Speaker 2: which is a card game. Some people nap. Some people
Speaker 2: read books. You always typed Snares, who was reading like
Speaker 2: seven books a day. Then you'd catch me snacking and
Speaker 2: just like literally eating a slice of ham, you know,
Speaker 2: whether it was eight am or three pm, just snacking
Speaker 2: from the fridge. It's like I turn our day most
Speaker 2: of the time on average, So there's a lot of waiting. Yeah.
Speaker 2: It is truly incredible and a huge testament to the
Speaker 2: show and to the people that are doing it.
Speaker 1: Can I just say I have thoroughly enjoyed talking to you.
Speaker 1: And I can't remember who said it to me, but
Speaker 1: someone had said to wait too, get the opportunity to
Speaker 1: speak to Jill because they throw enjoyed their time with you.
Speaker 1: So I've been looking forward to this. It's maybe not
Speaker 1: a surprise that I've talked as much as I have
Speaker 1: with you today, but I'm in the audience and I
Speaker 1: can't wait to see what you do with this whole experience.
Speaker 1: And thank you for being so generous with your time
Speaker 1: chatting with me today.
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you so much for having you Ben. That
Speaker 2: means a lot. I think I'm the worst at summarizing
Speaker 2: and condensing eddiething. You'll probably learn that bom my Instagram
Speaker 2: quotes to cards that I write or two letters. But
Speaker 2: I really really did enjoy this chat, So thank you
Speaker 2: so much.
Speaker 1: Well, You're welcome. You're welcome. I said that in Marshall
Speaker 1: Hines's tone of voice, just as an Australian to leave
Speaker 1: this on.
Speaker 2: You know, do you want me to start breaking down
Speaker 2: if angels brought me here?
Speaker 1: Or we'll exit the podcast with that song? I'll count
Speaker 1: you in. I'm only you.
Speaker 2: I am. I am not there on a podcast. That
Speaker 2: is one thing I cannot do.
Speaker 1: No, No, I've got a worst singing voice. All right,
Speaker 1: I'll let you go enjoy chatting to the media and
Speaker 1: good luck with it all.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Ben, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Lovely to chat. Take care