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Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us this morning.

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Speaker 1: You make and do you support this curfew being called?

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Speaker 1: Because the real concern that I've gone is that this

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Speaker 3: It can't be normalized that the CLP has a very

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Speaker 3: failed and I'm sick of it, and the community is

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Speaker 3: sick of it, and in forty odd days there's an

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Speaker 3: opportunity to change that.

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Speaker 1: Well, Leah, you definitely are lying down the gauntlet there,

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Speaker 1: I suppose, as I know, I'm sure that labor's listening

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Speaker 1: and stepping up to it. So let's wait and see

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Speaker 1: how things go. It's going to be an interesting race

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Speaker 1: to the election. Really appreciate your time this morning. Thanks

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Speaker 1: so much for joining us.

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Speaker 2: Thank you everyone. Take care,