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Speaker 1: Get a I'm Lola Berry, nutritionist, author, actor, TV presenter,

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Speaker 1: and professional oversharer. This podcast is all about celebrating failure

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Speaker 1: because I believe it's a chance for us to learn,

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Speaker 1: grow and face our blind spots. Each week, I'll interview

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Speaker 1: a different guest about their highs as well as their lows,

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Speaker 1: all in a bid to inspire us to furiously fail. Hello, now, writer,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to be really upfront and honest with you here.

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Speaker 1: This guest took a bit of wrangling. He said no

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Speaker 1: about three times, and it took about a year to

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Speaker 1: get the one and only Alias Black on the pod.

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Speaker 1: So if you've been binge watching Byron Bays, then he's

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Speaker 1: the hunky surfer guy that comes out of the ocean

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Speaker 1: in slow mode in all the promo bids. He's also

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Speaker 1: been on Love Island. From all of the reality stuff,

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Speaker 1: the modeling stuff. He's a surfer, he's an adventurer. I'd

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Speaker 1: say he's like a bit of a spiritual soul searcher

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Speaker 1: as well, And so we kind of cover a lot

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Speaker 1: of different topics in this chat. I hope it makes

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Speaker 1: you want to go out and go on an adventure

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Speaker 1: or jump in the ocean. He's a really good egg,

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Speaker 1: a really awesome human and Alias thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for finally saying yes to jump it on the pod.

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Speaker 1: Alis Black, Welcome to the pod. We were just trying

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Speaker 1: to discuss how to intro you. I feel like model Adventurer,

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Speaker 1: feel as version Tarzan from Love Island. I did not

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Speaker 1: know until I did some extra research that you were

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Speaker 1: a pet. But the bit that I'm so excited to

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Speaker 1: talking about is the fights.

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Speaker 2: You have not I've done a bit of boxing as well,

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Speaker 2: two main events now which has been fun, but just amateurs,

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Speaker 2: so nothing too crazy you.

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Speaker 1: But there are some videos of you on YouTube, like

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Speaker 1: training videos to like really hardcore music. Have you seen them?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, going and feeling all that stuff. Leading up

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Speaker 2: to my very first fight, it was like really yeah,

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Speaker 2: really really interesting, really intense.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, So.

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Speaker 1: I really want to talk to you about that stuff,

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Speaker 1: because yes, you are an Australian icon from being on

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Speaker 1: Love Island and everyone kind of new you as the

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Speaker 1: Yeah that the gorgeous Tarzan kind of like carry Tarzan

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Speaker 1: was your nickname, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I used to have like long hair in that and

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Speaker 2: a bit of a nature love. So I just I

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Speaker 2: don't know it just kind of it clicks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, it makes sense. And then I feel like,

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Speaker 1: but since I've got to know you, which is all

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Speaker 1: post all of that, because you're good mates with Matt, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it is like I've kind of got to know you

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Speaker 1: as like surfer an adventurer, someone's always like planning to

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Speaker 1: go away where it be camping, whether it be when

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Speaker 1: we lived in Talk Talkie you were coming up to

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Speaker 1: Biro and like you're very much like you said, yes

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Speaker 1: and nature love it. But like also I feel like

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Speaker 1: your spirit is like always to challenge yourself, always to

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Speaker 1: kind of like try new things. Would you say that

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Speaker 1: to you?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I mean like for me, I guess like if

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Speaker 2: something kind of freaks me out a little bit, it

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Speaker 2: kind of always draws me in, especially if there's like

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Speaker 2: a physicality kind of side to it. I love that,

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Speaker 2: you know, Like I'm a little bit afraid of public speaking,

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Speaker 2: that I don't go and stand up in front of

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Speaker 2: one hundred people and talk, but if it's got like

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Speaker 2: a physical aspect to it, I really yeah, I'm enticed

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Speaker 1: I love that, and that makes sense about why you

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Speaker 1: kind of probably were drawn to the fighting as well.

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Speaker 1: So the way that I want to go about today,

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Speaker 1: I know I said this right before, is I know

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Speaker 1: you've got this like really big influencer profile, modeling profile,

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Speaker 1: of like media personality side, but like I'm really fascinated

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Speaker 1: in like the adventurer side of you and like this,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I love it though.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk. First of all, you're a surfer as

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Speaker 1: a true You started when you were sixteen years old.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sixteen. I was well for a long time, I

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Speaker 2: You seemed like such an impossible feat And for my

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Speaker 2: sixteenth birthday, I made my parents buy me aboard and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and had no idea like this was like I'm

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Speaker 1: And did you grow up in Melbourne? So were you

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Speaker 1: going down the coast.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was being on the coast quite a bit.

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Speaker 2: We spent a lot of time at the beach house

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Speaker 2: out in one Thagy.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we're here near like Phillip.

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Speaker 2: And Mum was always very outdoors. He would take us

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Speaker 2: a natural progression. When I was a little kid, I'd

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Speaker 2: always just watch them and wouldn't understand how it worked

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Speaker 2: what they were doing out they'd say on the board,

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Speaker 2: and just became obsessed with it and eventually figured out

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Speaker 1: And now I would say, like it's kind of part

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Speaker 1: of your like ritual, Like I think I saw you

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Speaker 1: did a post where you figured out last year how

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Speaker 1: many surfs training sessions? How many serfs did you do

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Speaker 1: in the year. It was like hundred or something.

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Speaker 2: I keep a training diary of just any activity I do.

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Speaker 2: It's just a nice way to reflect and also I

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Speaker 2: find it really motivating to always kind of look back

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Speaker 2: to the week, like, oh, I've only really done this

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Speaker 2: during the week. I should maybe push more into this

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Speaker 2: And yeah, the first time I was writing. Every time

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Speaker 2: I serve where I surf, they're tucking conditions and everything

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Speaker 2: because I want to I kind of have like a

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Speaker 3: And yeah, it was like two hundred and twenty I

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Speaker 1: Know in one. Yeah, that's amazing, it's good.

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Speaker 3: I mean that's the beauty of moving to the coast.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you beat us. I think you beat

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Look, every day I'm up early and I usually go

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Speaker 2: jump in the water and just have a swim. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: But I've heard friends that surf here say because when

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Speaker 1: and they said, the trick is, do your surfing or

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Speaker 1: and then come back and work and then you're free

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Speaker 2: Know, it's definitely a thing likes so much guilt involved

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Speaker 2: It's totally like living in the city where like I

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Speaker 1: Right, totally cultures.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, that's definitely the routine that I've kind of

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Speaker 3: Again but in the afternoon, like late afternoon, slush evening.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh I love it. I had no idea that

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Speaker 3: Fully.

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Speaker 2: The biggest thing is it's a big motivator. And like,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. Okay, before I talk to you about boxing,

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Speaker 1: favorite ways of excis I have to ask about sharks.

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Speaker 1: You know, I have an obsition we see life. And

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Speaker 1: you've got some American fans that listen to this podcast

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Speaker 1: that that think every time they don't believe me. When

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Speaker 1: I'm like, no, no sharks are here, like I've seen

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Speaker 1: been out and seen sharks?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a few times now. The most recent time, I

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Speaker 2: there with me, and I had no idea. At one

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Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, there's probably nothing, but yeah,

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Speaker 2: one time it's TALLO is about four or five years ago,

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Speaker 2: me and my mate were out on a particularly stormy

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Speaker 2: day and yeah, we got hit by something, saying hit

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Speaker 2: me first, and then it hit him, and then it

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Speaker 2: Like this felt like a like a knock, like a

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Speaker 1: Under the surfboard.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, on the board, and I was like it felt

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Speaker 3: like maybe like a little i don't know, like a

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Speaker 2: Then happened to him, and then like a few minutes later,

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Speaker 1: Just I'm glad you said pem, because like the story,

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Speaker 1: Because they're really gentle, aren't they.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, yes, because they come to Bali sometimes,

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Speaker 2: I just don't know how you react though, when you

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Speaker 3: That should be why they're so chill, just like I

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Speaker 3: Oh fully, yeah, I'd be so freaked out.

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Speaker 1: But thank you for sharing all the like animal stuff.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely I know it straight away. Me and a mate

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Speaker 1: So you know you would know this. It's a free

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Speaker 2: And it's such a bizarre practice, like we've thought about

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Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent exactly that way you just described,

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Speaker 2: same in boxing. God, and you think you're so good

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00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:55,879
Speaker 2: and like be flogging everyone at at your gym, but

440
00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:59,359
Speaker 2: then like you're literally no one compared to like the

441
00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:02,879
Speaker 2: current world best or whatever. Yeah, it's so interesting and

442
00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:05,480
Speaker 2: so fascinating, Like, oh my god, like you can just

443
00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:06,240
Speaker 2: keep going forever.

444
00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:08,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, always going to be trying to learn and perfect.

445
00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:11,360
Speaker 1: Did you you got trained by like a world champ

446
00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:13,399
Speaker 1: or something. I saw a YouTube vide with someone like

447
00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:16,920
Speaker 1: Champ came in and like what was like, because obviously

448
00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:20,960
Speaker 1: they've got something special, Like is it like precision or

449
00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:24,800
Speaker 1: is it like a presence or is it like like

450
00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:28,600
Speaker 1: my trainer. He was a champion muay Thai and his

451
00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:30,920
Speaker 1: nickname was like his name was Kim, but his name

452
00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:33,199
Speaker 1: was cool as a cucumber Kim because he was they

453
00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:37,159
Speaker 1: wouldn't He was known for fighting but staying calm like

454
00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:40,080
Speaker 1: that was his whole demeanor. And I was like, I

455
00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:42,120
Speaker 1: can see why he's that one percenter because he can

456
00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:44,359
Speaker 1: be under super amounts of stress and.

457
00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:46,320
Speaker 3: Just be like can still be able to think clearly?

458
00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,440
Speaker 1: I'm almost there was like such a meditation to the

459
00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,720
Speaker 1: way he was. But yeah, I guess my question is,

460
00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,159
Speaker 1: like you've just described how like all of us are

461
00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:57,720
Speaker 1: in that kind of mediocre anyone that tries the sport

462
00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:00,199
Speaker 1: on and goes for like five ten years, but but

463
00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,959
Speaker 1: just consistently works at something. Right, you're going to get

464
00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:05,840
Speaker 1: to a level. But what's the difference between that and

465
00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:08,080
Speaker 1: then you've competed so you're at the.

466
00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:09,840
Speaker 3: Other Yeah, it's a mental state.

467
00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:13,520
Speaker 2: Really, Yeah, I think like fighting is such a mental

468
00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:16,840
Speaker 2: game more than anything else. And like as you probably

469
00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:20,080
Speaker 2: would see, like most world champion boxes come from not much,

470
00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:22,600
Speaker 2: and I think that is what kind of drives and

471
00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:25,159
Speaker 2: you know, like guys that kind of come from like

472
00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:27,359
Speaker 2: upper middle class, they're probably not going to go in

473
00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:30,440
Speaker 2: and like get the head smashed in because it'd be

474
00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:34,200
Speaker 2: quite daunting at times. Yeah, yeah, I think it's it's

475
00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,840
Speaker 2: such a mental state. Obviously there's so many other factors,

476
00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:40,080
Speaker 2: but that's the thing that I kind of recognize amongst

477
00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:41,960
Speaker 2: you know, the people that I've met that are really

478
00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:43,200
Speaker 2: doing really well at the sport.

479
00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:47,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that seems true to like really not all,

480
00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:49,120
Speaker 1: but a lot of high achievers in the world. They'll

481
00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:52,000
Speaker 1: come from not much, and therefore they've got this resilience

482
00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:56,880
Speaker 1: determination and it's almost like single point of focus where

483
00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:58,920
Speaker 1: nothing else kind of matters, right.

484
00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, fully, especially if you like coming from like a

485
00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,040
Speaker 2: you know, a third old country, you're fighting for your life. Yeah,

486
00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,720
Speaker 2: it's very different than like going and like doing a

487
00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:08,080
Speaker 2: boxer sized class.

488
00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:11,640
Speaker 1: And yeah, checking on your like you know, grab a matcher.

489
00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:13,960
Speaker 3: After this could change your entire life.

490
00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:15,920
Speaker 2: And for so many boxes that are like world chance

491
00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,160
Speaker 2: it has and have come from not much and nuts.

492
00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:19,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, so humbling.

493
00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:22,280
Speaker 1: I watched an interview. I think it was one of

494
00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,840
Speaker 1: your fighting interviews where you talked about and again I'm

495
00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:26,920
Speaker 1: not to like help on the surfing thing, but one

496
00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,560
Speaker 1: of my favorite movies is called Fighting Fear, and it's

497
00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:33,880
Speaker 1: about big wave surfer Mark Matthews and they're both Brah

498
00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:39,280
Speaker 1: boys Richie Bavas, and they talk about like the link

499
00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:42,800
Speaker 1: between MMA fighting and big wave surfing and how that

500
00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,080
Speaker 1: they would train like together even though they were doing

501
00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:48,960
Speaker 1: pole opposite things and but they both came from adversity

502
00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:53,040
Speaker 1: as well. So everything you're saying, you would love this movie.

503
00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:56,159
Speaker 1: By the way, Yeah, I went to a face and

504
00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,240
Speaker 1: I was living in Sydney and I was living pretty lean,

505
00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,040
Speaker 1: I wasn't making any money, and I'd watch it once

506
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:04,600
Speaker 1: a week. It was like my like, yeah, yeah, because

507
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,080
Speaker 1: they both want to go on to jail or something like.

508
00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,399
Speaker 1: It was really full on what they were coming back from.

509
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:13,199
Speaker 1: And you would understand big wave surfing way more than me.

510
00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:17,200
Speaker 1: But Mark hat had a massive, really bad fall.

511
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:18,400
Speaker 2: Like I don't know, I think I think that ship

512
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,000
Speaker 2: stones right, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.

513
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:24,159
Speaker 1: Don't break his back on it something really yeah, yeah, I.

514
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:25,720
Speaker 3: Think I don't know if I've seen it or I've

515
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:27,600
Speaker 3: seen clips of it, but it's definitely rings.

516
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,399
Speaker 1: A bell and he needed to come back, like he

517
00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:30,800
Speaker 1: totally came back from it.

518
00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:31,399
Speaker 3: Yeah.

519
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,679
Speaker 2: Well, god, I couldn't even imagine the kind of like

520
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,400
Speaker 2: torch they put their bodies through it going to those wipeouts.

521
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:38,200
Speaker 2: Like when I was a kid, I was obsessed. I

522
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,280
Speaker 2: was like, I've got to be a big wave surfer

523
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:41,360
Speaker 2: and I like decent.

524
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,879
Speaker 3: Waves and like no, like that's it, that's my level.

525
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,639
Speaker 2: I just don't have that drive to push myself past

526
00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:49,840
Speaker 2: like you know, if you're going past like twenty foot faces,

527
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,320
Speaker 2: it's like the consequences are huge.

528
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 1: And I actually needed heaps and heaps of breath work

529
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:56,400
Speaker 1: to be able to hold your breath for ages under

530
00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 1: that white want that white water like keep you down

531
00:22:58,880 --> 00:22:59,359
Speaker 1: for ages.

532
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean like usually like even on a big wave,

533
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,239
Speaker 2: like the longest wipe out, you only gets rarely get

534
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,119
Speaker 2: me more than like a minute. Yeah, but you know,

535
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,399
Speaker 2: obviously your heart rate's running at like one seventy one

536
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 2: ninety two hundred whatever it is, and then you know

537
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:13,240
Speaker 2: whether you get a breath in before you go down,

538
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,160
Speaker 2: and then I guess the biggest thing is being able

539
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,200
Speaker 2: to be relaxed in those conditions. Yeah, as I push

540
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,440
Speaker 2: myself into bigger and bigger surf the biggest thing, it's

541
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 2: like getting to that point, I'm like, okay, like I'm.

542
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 3: Sweet, I'm going to be up soon, all right, you know,

543
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:26,399
Speaker 3: but yeah, I don't know.

544
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,399
Speaker 1: It seemed very relaxed. Though I feel like you're the

545
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 1: right personality to be able to handle it. I'd be like,

546
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:33,360
Speaker 1: for sure, It's just one.

547
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 3: Of those things.

548
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,200
Speaker 2: It takes time, you know, Like I've almost drowned once

549
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,239
Speaker 2: and like I didn't surf that spot again for like

550
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 2: such a long time, and then when I finally went back,

551
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 2: I managed to push myself beyond like the conditions of

552
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 2: that initial day, and it's just like it was very incremental.

553
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 2: It took a long long time, so like feel that

554
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 2: confidence and be calm and becom and then like next thing,

555
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 2: it's like, okay, let's go, let's hit it.

556
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 1: And when you almost dround that was surfing, yeah, and

557
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:56,399
Speaker 1: you got hell.

558
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 3: Nanda yeah, to the point where I got quite euphoric

559
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 3: and I was not aware of where I was anymore,

560
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,399
Speaker 3: and I just luckily came up and I didn't know

561
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,440
Speaker 3: how I got there or what had happened, but like, yeah,

562
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 3: luckily didn't taken any water and managed to get myself

563
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 3: in and figure.

564
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 1: Out what was what, and then you eventually went when

565
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,359
Speaker 1: you did go back and kind of like face that.

566
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, the first time went back, I paddled halfway out.

567
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,200
Speaker 2: I just went white on a big day and then

568
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,399
Speaker 2: eventually just built it up and built it up.

569
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:29,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's pretty cool. We'll not cool the innerly drowned.

570
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 1: Amazing that you could go back and face that fear.

571
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 1: You've skydive too, right.

572
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah a couple of times.

573
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 1: How good is it? I love I love that I

574
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 1: that I can be like, ah, yeah, I feel like

575
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 1: you would get that bug. My brother's got the bug

576
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:49,359
Speaker 1: where he's like, I want to get my license, I

577
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,680
Speaker 1: want to do solo jumps, and I'm like, I feel

578
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 1: like if you've got that kind of like I think, yeah,

579
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,120
Speaker 1: you've got the adrenaline thing. But I think just from

580
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 1: like getting to know you over the last couple of years,

581
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 1: I also think that like you get such a reward

582
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 1: out of challenging yourself no matter what it is. I

583
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 1: know the physical element is really good for you because

584
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,160
Speaker 1: you can apply like a set of rules or regiment

585
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 1: and you're like, Okay, I can do this, try it

586
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 1: on and then kind of like set yourself mentally and

587
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 1: physically a goal. But I feel like you thrive under challenges,

588
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 1: Like I feel like that's your whole thing.

589
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 3: Definitely, Yeah, I guess so, yeah, think about it that much.

590
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 1: But I fully psychoatalyzed you. I apologize. But because you

591
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 1: moved out of home really young, do you think that

592
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 1: is like what's built this resilience?

593
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I was sicked out at at age

594
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 2: fifteen young. Yeah, Luckily it's had a really good friend

595
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:44,679
Speaker 2: that took me in and I was there for a while,

596
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 2: and yeah, I definitely yeah. I think adversity definitely builds strength.

597
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, And do you think that that has made you,

598
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 1: like at fifteen, like you now you can look back

599
00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 1: and be like, I mean that was half your life ago,

600
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 1: yeah right, and go shit, I was like a kid.

601
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 1: Then do you think that that part of your life

602
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 1: is the reason why you have all of this? Like, Okay,

603
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:12,959
Speaker 1: so I don't know how how to word this properly,

604
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 1: but like I think by the time we hit thirties

605
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,360
Speaker 1: had probably been through a few funky things that I've

606
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 1: kind of like shaped us or whatever. But the way

607
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 1: I look at anything that's been uncomfortable to go through

608
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 1: or challenging or at the time feel really overwhelming. But

609
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 1: usually when I look back, I'm like, Hey, if that

610
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 1: thing didn't happen, I wouldn't have got to build this

611
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 1: kind of like self worth or this like drive for

612
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 1: my career or be comfortable flying to the other side

613
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 1: of the world and building a life on the other

614
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 1: side of the world. Like do you think that that

615
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 1: gives you like tenacity and all these kind of like

616
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 1: qualities that are making you so successful now potentially?

617
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I think it definitely helped build my independence

618
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 2: quite young, and in fact, I kind of got through

619
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 2: it and didn't you know, like getting kicked out. It's

620
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 2: kind of a pretty scary experience when you're a kid

621
00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 2: and you kind of like ohing, what am I going

622
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 2: to do? Like I don't have money, I don't have

623
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 2: a job, but I keep going to my school like

624
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 2: what kind of happens next? And I had no contact

625
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 2: with my parents, so it was a bit kind of.

626
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 1: Like scary, So scary did you see it coming? Like

627
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 1: were you a bit of a naughty kid?

628
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 3: Yeah?

629
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely a right back. Yeah, yeah, that reminds me.

630
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: Actually I saw over Christmas. I think you were hanging

631
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: with your bro. You went in an aeroplane and he

632
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 1: flipped you upside There is that like a family thing.

633
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: Do you just all love doing adventure things?

634
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:33,679
Speaker 3: Oh kind of?

635
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like my brother, older brother took a very different path,

636
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 2: is very disciplined and always been like knew exactly what

637
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 2: he was going to do and has wanted to be

638
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 2: a part since he could walk. Yeah, but yeah, so's

639
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 2: he's a part and he's got.

640
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,880
Speaker 1: The adventure geene though like yeah, not as much though,

641
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 1: like he's not as mistaking.

642
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 3: And then the little brothers like even less, like really

643
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 3: a little bit more maybe cuddled or something, you know,

644
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,160
Speaker 3: it doesn't really want to push himself in that way.

645
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 3: Older brother a bit more, yeah, risk adverse. And then

646
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 3: on particularly like yeah, come talk to the next level.

647
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:07,919
Speaker 1: Would you call yourself the black sheep of the family?

648
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,360
Speaker 3: My family woud probably call me a you're a gypsy?

649
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,919
Speaker 1: Like even I think the first time I met you,

650
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember, but it was this

651
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: it was this Australian open party. I would have just

652
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 1: started mating dating mats, so it'd be like three years ago. Yeah, yeah,

653
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 1: and you just got back from America or Mexico or

654
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 1: somewhere amazing. I think you've just gone through a breakup

655
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,719
Speaker 1: or something like. It was all like and you two

656
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 1: hadn't seen each other for ages and you two were

657
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: like having like full romance catching up and it and

658
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 1: that was my first like that's the first time I

659
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 1: remember meaning you. But then of course like getting to

660
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: know you when we lived in Talkie and was so

661
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: great because you come hang out, make as dinner the

662
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 1: red wine, and the next what do you get up

663
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 1: and go surfing. It's a good little deal.

664
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 3: I loved it. Yeah, I love that. It was perfect balance.

665
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: Can can when we talk about like why a lot

666
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: of people will know you is from Love Island and

667
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: hang on before Love Island, when did the modeling take off?

668
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 2: Okay, so it would have been a while back, maybe

669
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 2: at the early twenties. I was setting up a business

670
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 2: in Bali with the business partner that I met in

671
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 2: the circle.

672
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 3: Kind of business I used to.

673
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 2: Run own a customer motorcycle company. We used to build

674
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 2: sitsits and export them out of Bali and also seldom

675
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:30,479
Speaker 2: expats and whatnot.

676
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: That's a great idea.

677
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 2: Yeah it was. It was really cool learning experience. Like

678
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 2: it was a good three years of like on and

679
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 2: off in Bali. But I was hungover as hell one

680
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 2: morning in a cafe and some guy came up to

681
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 2: me and he's.

682
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 3: Like, you when do a test shoot? And I was like, yeah,

683
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 3: I guess, like cool experience, why not? Like yeah, I'd.

684
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 2: Never really done modeling before. Did this little test, didn't

685
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 2: think too much about it. Shots came out and I

686
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 2: was just like, oh, this is kind of weird, like

687
00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 2: I'm wearing like Buddy smugglers on the beach, like and

688
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 2: then like literally a month later, like got this email

689
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 2: from this international manager and he was like, place you

690
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 2: in an international market, potentially Milan, like all this stuff

691
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 2: will be paid for and you kind of work it

692
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 2: back and you accumulate a model debt and you work

693
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 2: and you pay it back and make money. And I

694
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 2: was just like okay. I was like, yeah, that sounds

695
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 2: cool to explore. I want to say no, Like it's

696
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 2: such a like a very opportunity. So I was just

697
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 2: like cool, yeah, lock it in and like the under

698
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 2: the night before I left, like all my mates through

699
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 2: a little party.

700
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 3: We want Zulander and I took the piss out of

701
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 3: me and I was like, yeah, whatever.

702
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 2: I thought it was pretty funny, but I didn't take

703
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 2: it too seriously, Like, you know, I had to do

704
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 2: a lot of dieting and get down to like really

705
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 2: small measurements and yeah, I kind of did it for

706
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 2: the first two weeks, and I was like, this isn't me,

707
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 2: Like I like training, I like doing what I do.

708
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 3: I like and I enjoy food. Like I'm not going

709
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 3: to do it. I'm not going to do this.

710
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. So this is in Milan. This is in Milan,

711
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: so all the world of fashion.

712
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, So it was Yeah, it was like a

713
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 3: kind of weird experience because I was like trying to

714
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 3: avoid losing weight and cons are getting told I have

715
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,479
Speaker 3: to lose weight. Yeah, But like in terms of like overall,

716
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 3: it was amazing. I met all these like Australian models

717
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 3: when we had this little click, and we would hang

718
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 3: out every day and get lunch and like you're just

719
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 3: going to cruise around going between castings and booking jobs

720
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 3: and yeah. But towards the end, I kind of got

721
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 3: over it and I was like, you know, I've got

722
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 3: this business.

723
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 2: I want to go back home. Yeah, and my aidgency

724
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 2: like you have to stay.

725
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: And I was like, no, did you ever do New

726
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: York as a model? No, because I feel like Milan

727
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: New York there, and I guess Paris they're kind of

728
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 1: like all the big I don't know, isn't that what

729
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: the fashion weeks? An?

730
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 3: I never did any runway shows.

731
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 2: I was not skinny enough, so I was doing like

732
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 2: kind of the bigger brands, like for the Plane, I

733
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 2: did some adult I did Oh my god, Yeah, so

734
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 2: I did these brands. You're kind of like a bigger guy,

735
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 2: so to speak. But yeah, to do some other stuff

736
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 2: you have to be quite gaunt. But yeah, I just

737
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 2: was like, this is a bit of fun. Was a

738
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 2: fun little time.

739
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 3: Soe you later. I'm not going to do this again.

740
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, No, that's amazing. It's really interesting hearing you

741
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: say that about like you're a very lean person, like

742
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 1: you're fit and you've got muscle, but like I would

743
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: look at you as a normal person, as a person

744
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: that doesn't understand modeling measurements. I would look at you

745
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: and be like, you're lean as anything, Like I don't

746
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: think but you're saying you would have to be lose

747
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: all your muscle and be even leaner.

748
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm the forty two inch around the way

749
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 2: around the chest, you go thirty.

750
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 3: Eight, So four inches is what?

751
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 2: And that was like or less thirty eight or less

752
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 2: thirty eight is kind of like that's the.

753
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: Sample size, Oh shis okay?

754
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 3: So it was a lot.

755
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 2: I got down to like under forty and then I

756
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 2: was just like, I feel much. I don't feel like myself,

757
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 2: you know.

758
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 3: And I'm watching all the guys in the model apartment

759
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 3: like weighing their salads and weighing their dressing, and I

760
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 3: was like, this is just what a luna. I'd be

761
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 3: cooking a steak and passer and like put in a

762
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 3: bulb like ys a salad, Like what's up? Yeah?

763
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: Yeah wow. I had no idea it was the same

764
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: for guys. I just presumed it was more an issue

765
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 1: with females.

766
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 3: That different markets. Yeah.

767
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 2: The only reason I kind of pursued modeling after is

768
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 2: because they got hit up, you know, and I was

769
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 2: like I'm not going to do that. And I'm like, no,

770
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 2: you're sweet. Your sizes are good different like small, commercial,

771
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. So yeah, I was like, all right,

772
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 2: rock and roll, let's go do this.

773
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 1: And in Australia, you've obviously had a really successful You've

774
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 1: still in a very very successful model in Australia.

775
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's taken a long time, like it's kind of

776
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,479
Speaker 2: ebb and flowed, and in the last kind of twelve

777
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 2: months has definitely taken off to another level.

778
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 1: I think when I was in America, Matt Tommy did

779
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: like a massive Sea Foley campaign with like Lara bingal.

780
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 2: Right did, but I was Lara Bingle is like a

781
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 2: bit of a smaller human, so when I was staying

782
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 2: next to it, like you look, you make it look

783
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,719
Speaker 2: too small, so you're gonna have to, yeah, get out

784
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 2: of a lot of the shops. And I was like,

785
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 2: I was like, well, guys paying me, I'll go chill

786
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 2: on the beach.

787
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 3: It's all good.

788
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: Oh wow, buddy, Yeah behind the scenes.

789
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 3: I know it's so funny.

790
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,080
Speaker 2: But yeah, in the last like a few months on

791
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 2: like French Connection, Tarot Cash Country Road campaigns, because Max.

792
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: Worked on the country road one, did he? I feel

793
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 1: like Max worked on one of the Ment Health Ment

794
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,240
Speaker 1: Health you got to wear roll lexes, is that right?

795
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: I can't remember because because Max May, who's also been

796
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: on this podcast. Has a beautiful Rolex and one of

797
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: my dreams is to buy myself a Rolllex one day.

798
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: And he's like, oh, they've got them. On the minute,

799
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 1: He's like, I've seen them because you can't get them

800
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: because of COVID. It's like a five year wait, and

801
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 1: so I'm totally diverting off the stroke. But he was like,

802
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:36,800
Speaker 1: I've just been shooting, and it was on this mentality,

803
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: and then it made me think maybe it was I

804
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:39,800
Speaker 1: just remember I did an in the story where it

805
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 1: because we saw you on the front or in some magazine.

806
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 1: We see you all the time, Matt, and I like

807
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: your little fans, but like quick, let's get an instant story.

808
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:50,919
Speaker 3: Checking on the back of the bathroom door.

809
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:57,879
Speaker 1: Okay, so obviously you've got this amazing modeling career. I've

810
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: got to ask you about Love Island. When I researched you,

811
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 1: I got to watch the funniest video. Now knowing you

812
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: as a friend and then going back and watching these

813
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 1: videos of you in Love Isoland, like I have the

814
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 1: funniest questions for you. But I did just ask how

815
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: Love Island came about? Was that from the modeling or

816
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: how did it come about.

817
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 2: I guess I had like a little bit of a

818
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 2: profile on social media. I think that was one of

819
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:21,879
Speaker 2: the main kind of draw cards because at that time

820
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 2: I had a few different kind of franchises hitting me

821
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 2: up to do reality TV. Yeah, and I kind of

822
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 2: just ignored them and it wasn't really like my cup

823
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 2: of tea. Didn't think about it too much, and yeah,

824
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 2: Love Alan slid into my DMS and I just did

825
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 2: they really and I just left it. And one day

826
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 2: I was out with a couple of mates and now

827
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 2: kicking on about this show and how like it's like

828
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 2: blown up these people over in the UK and it's

829
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 2: like such an amazing thing to do, and you get

830
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 2: to go to Spain and I was like, oh cool,

831
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 2: like sounds so sick, Like what is it. They're like,

832
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 2: oh love Iland. I was like, oh, they asked me

833
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 2: to go straight to like an interview, and They're.

834
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,879
Speaker 3: Like bullshit, like serious like, so I was like, hell,

835
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 3: let's let's do it, Like yeah.

836
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 2: It sounds fun. I loved to go to Spain, so yeah,

837
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 2: so I went in and did the interview and I

838
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 2: was just like, no chance you on that thing. And

839
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 2: then they're like you're on the show.

840
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,959
Speaker 1: I was like, what you know, so at the time

841
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: of yours, because you're season one, right, yeah, season one

842
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 1: Australian Love Island. At the time of that coming out,

843
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: my roommate was obsessed with Love Island and so naturally

844
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 1: you just start watching shows with your roommate and we

845
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 1: were watching it every night. I was like, we made

846
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: dinner be like Love Island time. And I had work

847
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: in Sydney and so I missed a Love Island night

848
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: and I get a message from her going, oh my god,

849
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: you're gonna love the new person that just entered. His

850
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 1: nickname is Tarzan. You're just gonna love. Trust me, he's

851
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: gonna be your new favorite character. How funny. I didn't

852
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: know that well, probably very embarrassing to admit, but my

853
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: my point is like I didn't even realize, you know,

854
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,720
Speaker 1: fast forward to five years. That would be all eating

855
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: Italian food and tacos and all the food. You know,

856
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: how are you to our cook ups here? But so

857
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: much fun to watch these YouTube clips. My friend. Oh god,

858
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: you're getting your hair braided by the pool. Oh yeah,

859
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 1: there were so many funny things going on there. But

860
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 1: my question is, and I ask this because I've had

861
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 1: Georgia Love Bachelor or Bachelorrett should I say on here?

862
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:17,240
Speaker 1: And I'm always really interested to know like the behind

863
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,760
Speaker 1: the scenes, and I know on some of the Bachelor

864
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: shows people like get given a little bit of alcohol

865
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: or lose their inhibitions. And is there anything where you just.

866
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 2: Like complete opposite really yeah, nocohol out at all at all.

867
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:32,919
Speaker 2: They'd tell you they're giving you margaritas if you're drinking lyft,

868
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 2: like I reckon on one or two of the dates

869
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,479
Speaker 2: which are outside of the villa last wine, and I'd

870
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 2: be pissed. I'm like, I haven't had our colon Agent's like, what.

871
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 1: Is this really?

872
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 3: Yeah?

873
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 2: But because of I think there was a bit of

874
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 2: a bit of a discrepancy with the first season in

875
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 2: the UK where someone yeah said something was not consensual

876
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 2: or something along those lines, and it was because because

877
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 2: they're quite intoxicated. Yeah, so I think they just went

878
00:37:55,960 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 2: full like clean whistles like nut no booze. And so

879
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 2: they find other ways to get you to come out

880
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 2: of your shelf.

881
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: And what are those other ways?

882
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 2: Mainly sleep deprivation really yeah, so pretty much you have

883
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 2: obviously you don't have your basic liberties like you know

884
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 2: when to turn the light on and off. So the

885
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 2: end of like evening, they don't turn the lights off

886
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 2: until everyone's done their diary entry and that takes you know,

887
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 2: you've got twelve people whatever it is in the hou yes,

888
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,879
Speaker 2: so it takes hours. And then like you're also there's

889
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 2: no clocks in a law to have.

890
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: It, like you've got no idea of the concept of time.

891
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we actually snuck in a watch and we're

892
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 2: figuring out we're going to bed about two thirty three

893
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 2: every night, float ten the lights off, and you're waking

894
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 2: us up around seven thirty eight o'clock.

895
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 1: Sleep deprivation works every time.

896
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember it was like the one person they

897
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 2: wouldn't like that. Once the lights would come on, they'd

898
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 2: be like, you got to get out, you got to

899
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 2: go do this stuff. It's a couple of morning or

900
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 2: whatever they want to kind of pull and I'd be like, no,

901
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 2: I'm not getting out of bed. I'm like, you have

902
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 2: to physically carry out of here, like I'm staying here

903
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 2: for at least another half hour.

904
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 3: Just chucked pillers in my head and try and.

905
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: I had no idea would producers ever say things like, Hey,

906
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:12,800
Speaker 1: you're going to go on this date with how is

907
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 1: it France? Yeah, so you're going to go on this

908
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 1: date with her.

909
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 3: We wouldn't most of the time. You wouldn't know who

910
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 3: you're going to.

911
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:24,359
Speaker 2: Don't know that date in particular, was like the new

912
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 2: girl has chosen you to go on a date.

913
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 3: You know who they were.

914
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 1: Would the producers ever get in your ear though, and

915
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: be like, hey, so and so said this about you

916
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: go and question it?

917
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 2: No, No, not to that extent. The most I would

918
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 2: do with me quite often was I'd be like, Ellie,

919
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 2: let's go and talk to like the new girl and

920
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 2: be like, Oh, I'm chilling, I'm working out, I'm swimming

921
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 2: in the pool. They're like, like, you're not here to

922
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 2: do that, you got to go. I was like all right,

923
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 2: like and they're like, it's so weird, like I've never

924
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 2: gone up the center. People be like, hey, we have

925
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:57,959
Speaker 2: a chat, like I've never said that, so awkward, Like.

926
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:03,240
Speaker 1: H but I guess for them. Then, from a producer's perspective,

927
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 1: then you've pulled that person away to have a one

928
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 1: on one. Yeah, and then it's a nice package to

929
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 1: edit up.

930
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, you need a lot otherwise it would have just

931
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 3: been like three weeks and jumping in the.

932
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: Pool when you got voted out. There's literally a YouTube

933
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 1: video Australia votes Elias out of Love Island, Like that

934
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: is literally the clicking. And you got asked that it

935
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 1: was an emotional mad house. That was literally your like

936
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: Sophie goes to you, how do you feel? And You're like,

937
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 1: it's an emotional mad house?

938
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 3: Really?

939
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: Is it just because it's sober? Is it just because

940
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: like you are like sleep deep paraded, there's sleep deepervation.

941
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 1: You're also like having to be vulnerable with strangers essentially,

942
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 1: Like there's all these different things going on that's just

943
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 1: making it feel like like these might be people that

944
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 1: you wouldn't normally be mates with and chill with and

945
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,040
Speaker 1: go for a surf with outside of the house. So

946
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: you kind of forced into these friendships and relationships that

947
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 1: naturally normally you wouldn't kind of like bean into.

948
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 2: Fully, I think the biggest thing was like I'm not

949
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 2: good at being told what to do, and the whole

950
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 2: time it's.

951
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 3: Like elliots, don't go pass it down, you don't do this,

952
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 3: don't do that.

953
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 2: I was just like, oh my god, the boundaries you

954
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 2: can't you can't actually like leave the villa.

955
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, So yeah for there one night juice a

956
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 3: little story for it. The villa got broken into and

957
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 3: I was only when I was awake. No. Yeah.

958
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 2: A couple of English lads who were who are literally

959
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 2: like they rented out some villa down the hill and

960
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 2: they got word that we were filming Australia and they

961
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 2: broke in and I was up for some reason, couldn't

962
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 2: sweet and I was just like, boys, you're gonna.

963
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 3: Have to kick on. And they're like, oh, come on,

964
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 3: like I'll try to jump in the pool and stuff. No,

965
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 3: And I was like, wow.

966
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: Did producers come in and get them out?

967
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 3: No? No, no, there's that was the weirdest thing. There

968
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 3: was no like security. I was just like, oh, okay, wow,

969
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 3: no fencing.

970
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 2: So I was kind of like, you know, doing a

971
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 2: dad trying to cruise out to see how Barre could

972
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:04,399
Speaker 2: go be like.

973
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:05,879
Speaker 3: Nope, get back.

974
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: She couldn't surf right at all.

975
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 3: It's no surf, isn't no idea. It's like a little

976
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 3: island of Spain.

977
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:15,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's like a beach and that's it.

978
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 3: That's no beach.

979
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 2: We were like, so we could see the water, but

980
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 2: it was like miles away, so it was like the

981
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 2: whole thing was like.

982
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 3: A little box that'd.

983
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 1: Be really really full on. So you went in day

984
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: four out day eighteen. Yell, Okay, I'm going to ask

985
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: you about Byron Bays now, So how did you get

986
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 1: approached for Byron Bays.

987
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 2: It was just to a friend, Like, it was a

988
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 2: friend of a friend. Literally, I was just having be

989
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 2: with my neighbor one day and her mate was like, Oh,

990
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 2: I've got another mate who is his producer and is

991
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:53,919
Speaker 2: looking for people for this Netflix show.

992
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 3: And I was like Netflix. I was like, well that's

993
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:56,439
Speaker 3: pretty big.

994
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, like it's no contact, happy to have a chat

995
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 2: and kind of like flesh it out, and then it

996
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 2: just kind of evolved from there.

997
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, far out is there. So I'm obviously excited to

998
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 1: see it. I'm gonna we're going to be your fans.

999
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: What should it?

1000
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're going to have like moving like Netflix.

1001
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:18,919
Speaker 2: Nice one hundred that's cooking, come chilling the couch.

1002
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 1: You keep saying when when you come over and you

1003
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: tell a story or something, He's like, He's like, I reckon.

1004
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: It could be that friend that comes and just cooks

1005
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: Italian food in the background of Byron bas and I'm like, yes, Matt,

1006
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: I'm sure.

1007
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 3: So I get to eat that food because that man

1008
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 3: can course.

1009
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 1: Oh my god, oh he is the best cook. Okay,

1010
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 1: So is there anything on it that you're like, oh,

1011
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 1: nervous for or are you pretty comfy because you're just

1012
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 1: like what you see is what you get?

1013
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, fully the stuff that I'm nervous for.

1014
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 2: Oh really, yeah, because like I kind of went to

1015
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,240
Speaker 2: the experience being like, yeah, whatever, like it's very chill,

1016
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 2: and then it actually got quite personal in one in

1017
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,399
Speaker 2: one instance, and I was just like, ooh, they pulled

1018
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 2: something out that's well, that's like legit.

1019
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 1: And you didn't see it coming.

1020
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 2: Fully, like one hundred cents like whoa. I was like

1021
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 2: just out of the blue, and yeah, so you.

1022
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 1: Don't know how they're going to cut it or anything

1023
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: like that.

1024
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 3: I don't know. But like at the same time, it's like,

1025
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 3: you know, I didn't react.

1026
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 2: I didn't like lash out violently, which I kind of

1027
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 2: felt like I wanted to in that moment.

1028
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: So you were able to keep you cool.

1029
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 2: Get my call as far as I as far as

1030
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 2: I think I did.

1031
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, We'll see.

1032
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 1: I'm excited for you. Yeah, and that's my next thing,

1033
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 1: like how do you take Like even when I type

1034
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 1: in Allie's black on Google, so many news stories come

1035
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: up and paparazzi photos of Ellis on his morning surf

1036
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:42,800
Speaker 1: looking very toned, like it's.

1037
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 3: Right, it's so weird.

1038
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's like, oh, it's about like whether you

1039
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: got COVID or not, or whether you've got a girlfriend

1040
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: or not. Like there it's all those kind of like yeah,

1041
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: that toned kind of stuff, Like how do you take

1042
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 1: all that? All the one stories that probably half of

1043
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 1: them ant true? And then like the paparazzi. Are you

1044
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 1: aware when you're getting paparazzi?

1045
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 3: No?

1046
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 2: I always wonder like is some guy watching this paparazzi

1047
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 2: like crouching behind the car his camera and being like

1048
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 2: what are you doing?

1049
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 3: Mate? Like it's it's always the weirdest thing because I've

1050
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 3: never seen him.

1051
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 1: I've never seen any environ Bay myself.

1052
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, And like a couple of them, like right days

1053
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 2: at the beach, was no one else on the beach,

1054
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 2: and I'm.

1055
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 3: Like where were they? Like they're good, they're like wildlife.

1056
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 3: Ptographs are just like and they got their like camera on.

1057
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I find it really bizarre, Like I

1058
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 2: don't know, it's just a weird thing when you see

1059
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 2: that and you're like I.

1060
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 3: Remember that day, Like yeah, yeah, like weird, Like I

1061
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,280
Speaker 3: don't know, it's just I don't know, it's.

1062
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:48,439
Speaker 1: It is weird. Do you take any of the more

1063
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 1: like negative such as take it with a grain of salt?

1064
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, just like I don't know, like I don't really

1065
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 2: know how people care, would I do that much.

1066
00:45:58,560 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 3: Whatever?

1067
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally okay. So I always I love to know,

1068
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 1: especially with people people like you that are super driven

1069
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: and motivated and not afraid of a challenge, Like how

1070
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: does an X five Y is? Like, Look, do you

1071
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 1: want to travel heaps? Or do you have like businesses

1072
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: you want to bring to life or you know, like

1073
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,439
Speaker 1: you're in a really exciting time of your life where

1074
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 1: anything is really possible, and it arguably is at any age,

1075
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 1: but like you're in this phase where there's so many

1076
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 1: things like rolling in the right direction for you. What

1077
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: would be like do you want to like buy environ

1078
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: or do you want to like cut a to loom?

1079
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 1: More like, what do you want to do in the

1080
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 1: next few years?

1081
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 2: I think you and I kind of have a similar

1082
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 2: goal where we want to do like a bit of

1083
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:48,240
Speaker 2: like a half Barron half kind of us kind of life.

1084
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,479
Speaker 2: That's really what I'm meaning for. I definitely want to, yeah,

1085
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 2: buy properly here. That's been on like the cards for

1086
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 2: a while, but as you know, a house prices astronomical,

1087
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 2: so yeah, look good at a bit more work first,

1088
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 2: a few more dollars in the kitty coins than But yeah,

1089
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,240
Speaker 2: that's like that's definitely the two biggest kind of things

1090
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 2: that you know kind of come to mind. And also like, yeah,

1091
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 2: I've always been somewhat entrepreneurial, so like I'm looking to

1092
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,879
Speaker 2: launch like a fitness app quite soon, which you're going.

1093
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 3: To be involved with.

1094
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,439
Speaker 2: Really excited about me too, So I'm starting to build

1095
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 2: like the kind of froup and mortar for that, which

1096
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 2: is like exciting also really scary. And then yeah, my

1097
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 2: background actually in terms of study outside of personal training

1098
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 2: is actually designed, so that's actually something I want to

1099
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 2: delve back into. I want to get myself to a

1100
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 2: point where I'm quite comfortable and can put quite a

1101
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 2: lot of money into product development.

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00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 1: Oh that's awesome, I had no idea.

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00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, it's one of those things that like,

1104
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 2: I don't really like, it's I don't know how to anyway.

1105
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:49,720
Speaker 2: It's one of those things I've always had a passion

1106
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 2: for and it's something I want to kind of delve

1107
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:55,240
Speaker 2: back into. But I want to obviously use this momentum

1108
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 2: I have now with modeling and this whole kind of

1109
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,879
Speaker 2: having a profile thing and kind of help set myself

1110
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 2: up so I can then hopefully, you know, give something back.

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00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 3: It's I'm hoping to do it.

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00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it, And I love the half firo

1113
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 1: in half La or American dream you mean, and the

1114
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 1: Ham's Worth. Let's all just keep that foot. It's so

1115
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 1: achievable as well. If you're a dreamer, I think, like,

1116
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:18,280
Speaker 1: and this is what I say to people like Byron

1117
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 1: is the best energy for healing, getting back to nature,

1118
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 1: being in the ocean and kind of like rejuvenating. And

1119
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: then you go to America and it's all opportunities just

1120
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 1: come so fast and you're able to achieve so much,

1121
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:33,800
Speaker 1: especially in the entertainment industry, which is where you work,

1122
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: and which is where yeah, like, which is where there's

1123
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: a lot of like especially with app and stuff like

1124
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 1: the Bigger that all the stuff that you do in

1125
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 1: the entertainment industry, is the more eyes you get on

1126
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: the app, you know, So it all kind of like, yeah,

1127
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: toy links into one another. So I love your dream

1128
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 1: and I think it's totally achievable and yeah.

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00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, lots of little baby steps to go and then yeah,

1130
00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:59,839
Speaker 2: hit the ground running the next few months and reeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah it's crazy.

1132
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm like at the edge of a

1133
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 2: cliff right now, like am I ready to jump? Like, yeah,

1134
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 2: it's kind of wild. It's a weird feeling, but looking

1135
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 2: forward to what comes next.

1136
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:12,800
Speaker 1: You have been enjoyed interview, my friend.

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00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 3: I've loved it always.

1138
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, have you enjoyed it? Yeah? You know. Thank you

1139
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: so so much, and good luck with the show and everything.

1140
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 1: And I'm sure you'll be over for dinner really soon.

1141
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 3: Thanks thanks for having me here.

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00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:34,320
Speaker 1: That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. As always,

1143
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,839
Speaker 1: thank you to our guests, and let's continue the conversation

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1145
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:48,560
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1146
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,640
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