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Speaker 1: Joining me live in the studio is the Chief Minister

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Speaker 1: of the Northern Territory, Eva Lorla.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you morning, Katie. Chief Minister are the

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Speaker 2: Member for Solomon Luke Gosling.

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Speaker 1: He's reportedly saying that he's in talks to try and

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Speaker 1: lure Aldi to the Northern Territory. I've heard this on

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Speaker 1: many occasions over my years. In the end, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: seem like it's commercially viable for them. But I mean,

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Speaker 1: do you know where he's at with those talks or

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Speaker 1: do you think it's something that's a possibility.

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Speaker 2: There's always a possibility, Katie.

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Speaker 3: I must say, though, I've never been to an Aldie

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Speaker 3: when I don't rarely travel nowadays anyway with his job,

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Speaker 3: but when I go down south, I don't actually put

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Speaker 3: Aldi on my number one list of places to go.

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Speaker 3: And being a Darwin person, I've never been to an Aldi.

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Speaker 3: But I mean hearing that Choice report about just how

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Speaker 3: cheaper they are, and I mean, obviously with costs of

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Speaker 3: living anything that we can do. Coles and Woolworths have

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Speaker 3: a duopoly. That's a fact in the Northern Territory or

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Speaker 3: particularly in our cities in towns. So yeah, good on Luke,

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Speaker 3: he's good at that stuff. Castle push them that that

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Speaker 3: would be great.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and this is the thing, I mean, cost

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Speaker 1: of living. It is a huge issue. I don't know

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Speaker 1: about you, but every time I go to Coals or Willworths,

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Speaker 1: you think you're buying five items, you come out and

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Speaker 1: it's one hundred dollars later.

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Speaker 2: It's a massive impulse for territory. It is.

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Speaker 3: It's highly concerning for families. That's the issue around cost

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Speaker 3: of living. We're all trying to push them down. But

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Speaker 3: good on the federal government for calling out Woworths and

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Speaker 3: Coals who just continue to really almost rip off the

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Speaker 3: farmers and the people who are providing the suppliers and

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Speaker 3: then jack up the prices. So I think people are

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Speaker 3: tired of Coals and Willworths and what they're doing. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: people like aldi if they keep coming into if they

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Speaker 3: could come into the market in the territory, that would

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Speaker 3: be wonderful, particularly for dal n Alla Springs.

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Speaker 1: Look, it will be a good thing, but I suppose,

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Speaker 1: like I said earlier, it's got to stack up for

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Speaker 1: them commercially.

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Speaker 2: But Chief, we know that.

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Speaker 1: You announced a little bit earlier in the week that

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Speaker 1: a re elected Labour government is going to establish a

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Speaker 1: sixty thousand dollars first Home Build a grant for territory

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Speaker 1: residents who sign on to build a new first or

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Speaker 1: a first new home or buy an apartment or town house. Now,

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Speaker 1: I know that when the COLP made their announcement around

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Speaker 1: the budget time, you guys almost scoffed at them.

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Speaker 2: So what's the change of hearsh.

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Speaker 3: So scoffed because there was a much broader and bigger

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Speaker 3: package than ours. Ours is very much focused for territory

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Speaker 3: and so you know, I won't make any excuses around

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Speaker 3: making sure that territory dollars are spent on territory and

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Speaker 3: so ours has very much focused on territory locals. It

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Speaker 3: is a one component that's sixty thousand for home builder.

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Speaker 3: It's a home builder boost for people who have never

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Speaker 3: owned a home previously in the Northern Territory and it's

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Speaker 3: their first build. So, Katie, one of the things I

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Speaker 3: probably should go back. So I think twelve months ago

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Speaker 3: we formed the Housing Alliance, which has representatives of HIA

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Speaker 3: Real Estate Institute UDIA, Alan McGill and a lot of

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Speaker 3: Territorians will know Alan. They've been working on this what

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Speaker 3: we need to do around housing in the Northern territory.

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Speaker 3: So we have those large numbers eleven thousand from the

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Speaker 3: federal governments. We need eleven thousand more houses in the

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Speaker 3: territory over the next five years. So we formed their

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Speaker 3: Housing Alliance and they have they provided me with report.

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Speaker 3: There are a number of recommendations, and the first recommendation

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Speaker 3: in that report is around incentives. So we'd been doing

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Speaker 3: government had been doing some work around incentives, but you

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Speaker 3: know how much. And I actually had the Housing Alliance

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Speaker 3: to provide me with details around what they saw. As

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Speaker 3: you know, so they reckoned sixty No they didn't. In

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Speaker 3: the end they said, no, we'll leave that to government.

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Speaker 3: And as I said in the introm, we saw the

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Speaker 3: CELP come out with theirs and so the timing of

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Speaker 3: ours was around me receiving the report from the Housing

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Speaker 3: Alliance and then as I said, making sure that we

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Speaker 3: had something that's measured, sensible and really targeted. It's targeted

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Speaker 3: in two ways, keeping people in the territory but also

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Speaker 3: stimulating our residential building industry, so very much around residential

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Speaker 3: only and as I said, very much around keeping territories here.

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Speaker 1: So I mean the fact is though when the CLP

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Speaker 1: made this announcement, you were quite critical. You questioned how

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Speaker 1: they are going to afford it.

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Speaker 2: Now, obviously you.

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Speaker 1: Say you are doing something that's targeting locals. I get

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Speaker 1: what you're saying, but it is still going to cost

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Speaker 1: a bucket load of money. You've also gone more than

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Speaker 1: what they announced, So.

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Speaker 2: How are you going to a four hours hours? Though?

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Speaker 3: Ours is costed at twenty two million, so which will

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Speaker 3: provide about three hundred and sixty five homes, So twenty

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Speaker 3: two million, and from memory, the CLPS is fifty seven million,

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Speaker 3: so there is still there's this way more expensive than ours.

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Speaker 1: Ours.

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Speaker 3: It is very targeted. It's one focused on keeping people

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Speaker 1: See how people will be looking at this so and going. Look,

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Speaker 1: the CLP made this announcement in May. Now you know

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Speaker 1: over a month later, you guys are coming out making

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Speaker 1: a very similar announcement.

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Speaker 2: I know you said there's differences.

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Speaker 1: I get that, but it's almost a bit embarrassing that

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Speaker 1: the government's been in power for eight years and now

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Speaker 1: that we're fifty one days out from an election. You

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Speaker 1: know you've come forward with this announcement.

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Speaker 2: No, no, not at all, Katie.

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Speaker 3: So first of all, we have had previously from twenty

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Speaker 3: eighteen till twenty twenty one, there was a substantial housing

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Speaker 3: so we had the build bonus and the home build

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Speaker 3: Federal and Northern Territory had substantial home build funding. So

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Speaker 3: those years. Then at the end of COVID, what we

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Speaker 3: saw was interest rates go high, high as we've had

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Speaker 3: for years, up to seven percent. We saw banks not loaning,

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Speaker 3: we saw supply chain issues, and we saw increases in

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Speaker 3: concrete and cement up to about thirty percent. So there

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Speaker 3: was no point and as I said, this is very

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Speaker 3: measured decisions, considered decisions. We work with Treasury, So there

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Speaker 3: was no point in those twenty two to twenty three

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Speaker 3: was so volatile around the costs of building homes.

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Speaker 2: That's what's amning fust it. Like you called the.

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Speaker 3: Seal CPS was, as I said, throwing out money and

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Speaker 3: we can see that.

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Speaker 2: But this much different.

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Speaker 3: This is very much around getting the report from Territory

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Speaker 3: Alliance very focused on one area, so one specific area,

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Speaker 3: but it was also around timing we're seeing interest rates

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Speaker 3: go down. I regularly meet with the banks. We as

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Speaker 3: I said, whatever it wants to six weeks or whatever

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Speaker 3: you think, well that timing is better.

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Speaker 2: It's not related to an election coming up.

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Speaker 3: So it is an election commitment. Of course, it is

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Speaker 3: an election commitment. And you know we're in government, so

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Speaker 3: you do have to be measured around your approach. But

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Speaker 3: this is an election commitment a re elected government. But

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Speaker 3: also Okatie, it's not a set and forget as well.

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Speaker 3: You know, if we're so fortunate to be in government

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Speaker 3: in this year, but then twenty twenty five, we will

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Speaker 3: need to keep an eye on the housing market. There are,

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Speaker 3: let's not forget eleven thousand more social, affordable and private

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Speaker 3: homes that need to be built. But we've also got

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Speaker 3: that four billion remote so there is a lot of

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Speaker 3: work still in the building industry, a lot of work

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Speaker 3: available in the building industry. It's residential builders that we

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Speaker 3: need to stimulate and get moving, but they have been

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Speaker 3: curtailed around interest rates. Nobody's going to build a home

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Speaker 3: or by or invest if you've got seven interest rates

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Speaker 3: of seven percent, we've seen them drop. Hopefully by the

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Speaker 1: All right, I want to move along the clp A

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Speaker 1: calling on you to release the second Eye CAAC report

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Speaker 1: into concerns that stuff is within Michael Gunner's office when

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Speaker 1: he was the Chief Minister engaged in political work for

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Speaker 1: labor during the twenty twenty election.

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Speaker 2: When is that report you?

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Speaker 3: I have not been told at all.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so that's a question.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, No, have not got it at all. Have

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Speaker 3: not had a conversation, you know, I have not meant

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Speaker 3: since the Deputy ICA Commissioner. I sat beside her at

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Speaker 3: estimates and that's the last time that I've met with her.

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Speaker 3: As I said, that's probably a question for the not

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Speaker 3: deputy sorry, the acting KAQ Commissioner.

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Speaker 2: Are you going to release it when it comes out? Absolutely?

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Speaker 3: As soon as it comes Soon as I get it,

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Speaker 3: I'll release it. Well, sign up to me to release it.

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Speaker 3: Really it's up to the IKAK, the Acting IKAK Commissioner

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Speaker 3: to release So.

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Speaker 2: But do you reckon it should be public?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Of course it should be public. I mean you know

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Speaker 3: we've said that, and that was the previous report. We've

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Speaker 3: put in place really clear guidelines on what needs to

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Speaker 3: happen around parliamentary travel, and I have been upfront saying

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Speaker 3: that I will not travel at all during caretaker unless

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Speaker 3: there's you know, some sort of natural disaster or some reason.

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Speaker 3: As Chief Minister, I won't be traveling.

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Speaker 2: So you won't be going to Alis Springs anywhere else.

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Speaker 3: No, No, Well, as I said, this has been a

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Speaker 3: gray area and it is frustrating because you see federally,

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Speaker 3: you see alban Easy Source Go Mo, they travel the

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Speaker 3: whole countryside in government, you know, jets during their caretaker

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Speaker 3: periods criss cross crossing the countryside. But there is the

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Speaker 3: expectation that we don't And as I said, it was gray,

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Speaker 3: and I've made it clear that I won't.

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Speaker 1: What day does caretaken mode kick in? Is it two

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Speaker 1: weeks prior.

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Speaker 2: First of August? August?

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Speaker 3: So the writs will be issued on I think the

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Speaker 3: thirty first and or and we'll go into caretaker from

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Speaker 3: the first.

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Speaker 1: Now, one of the other points of contention over recent

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Speaker 1: days there's been the sixty four constables graduating sixty three okay,

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Speaker 1: sixty three constables graduating last.

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Speaker 2: Week hitting the beat.

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Speaker 1: Now in terms of those numbers, we're being told by

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Speaker 1: the Police Association that thirty three of them are still

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Speaker 1: at the college for the next few weeks.

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Speaker 2: Is that the case.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I believe that there's thirty three which were

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Speaker 3: the transitional school. So there were two schools that graduated.

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Speaker 3: So there was one group that were a full college

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Speaker 3: and then there was a second group which were the

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Speaker 3: Palis and they during part of their training, as you remember,

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Speaker 3: we had the curfew and Alice Springs, so they traveled

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Speaker 3: to Alice Springs to support the curfew. They've come back.

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Speaker 3: So my understanding is that they have one or two

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Speaker 3: units or something to complete, but that they will be

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Speaker 3: traveling to Alice Springs on the nineteenth of July.

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Speaker 1: So the nineteenth of July is when they're going to

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Speaker 1: hit the base. Yes, So why were we told that

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Speaker 1: they were hitting the beat last Friday?

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Speaker 3: Oh, look, you'd have to check with the Police ca

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Speaker 3: Missioner or the Minister for Police.

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Speaker 2: It's the Minister for Police suit Centers.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, so we I mean we had the graduating

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Speaker 1: There is one here, Hi Katie, can you please ask

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Speaker 3: Yeah, these these issues are a terrible situation really, And

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Speaker 2: It's constitution.

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Speaker 1: Do you think having a relook at some of those

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Speaker 3: Course, anything like that you know, will trigger reviews and

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Speaker 2: You never recover, No, you never recover from it.

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Speaker 3: But yes, of course we'll look at what needs to

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Speaker 1: Chief Andester one other quick one that somebody's message through

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Speaker 2: Can I ask you why now? I know you're obviously.

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Speaker 1: Not not the judge or not the person making that decision,

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Speaker 1: despite corrections being unwilling to supervise him. The twenty four

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Speaker 2: Just as Judith Kelly said.

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Speaker 1: It was the second time that he'd breached his conditions

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Speaker 3: No, no, obviously it doesn't at all. Katie. I do

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Speaker 1: Can you see how when people read stuff like that,

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Speaker 3: But it often there needs to be there's like, we

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Speaker 2: I will follow.

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Speaker 1: Goodness gracious, if you've got somebody who's already a convicted

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we all apparrent behavior, absolutely apparent behavior. So I

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Speaker 3: So and yeah, let's get some details and let's find

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Speaker 1: Chief Minister. We better leave it there. Thank you, as

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Speaker 1: always for your time, Thank you