WEBVTT - Disappeared and Murdered Aboriginal Women

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<v Speaker 1>Good.

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<v Speaker 2>Just before nine o'clock last night, the jury returned guilty

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<v Speaker 2>verdicts against all three defendants. It was absolutely shambles, to

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<v Speaker 2>tell you the truth, just absolutely really heaving blood on

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<v Speaker 2>his clothing the day after the alleged top.

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<v Speaker 1>On a shallow mud bank and it fits through a river.

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<v Speaker 3>Basically, I think most of the people are used.

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<v Speaker 1>To me, there are good people. I think a really

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<v Speaker 1>important question we need to ask is how many Indigenous

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<v Speaker 1>prisoners in Australia are innocent.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Curtain, a podcast where we pulled back the

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<v Speaker 2>blinds to shine a light on the darkest parts of

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<v Speaker 2>our justice system and ask who are the victims. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>Amy maguire and I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>Martin Hodgson, a senior advocate for the Foreign Prisoner Support Service.

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<v Speaker 1>And a warning, this series contains the names of deceased

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<v Speaker 1>peoples and has distressing content that might upset some listeners.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome to Curtin the podcast. This week, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 3>begin the episode by reading the opening paragraphs of an

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<v Speaker 3>article written by my co host Amy McGuire in December

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<v Speaker 3>late last year. For those who want to read the

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<v Speaker 3>entire article, it's on Amy's substack, and I'll provide the

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<v Speaker 3>links on Curtain's social media pages, or you can just

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<v Speaker 3>search Amy McGuire substack dot com. The opening paragraph begins

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<v Speaker 3>today is a short article on two inquests that I'm

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<v Speaker 3>hoping to pay attention to over the coming months. Both

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<v Speaker 3>cases involve Aboriginal women who have disappeared and have not

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<v Speaker 3>yet been found. I've chosen the word disappeared deliberately. In

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<v Speaker 3>the absence of knowing. We have to be careful with language,

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<v Speaker 3>especially as inquests and investigations are still underway. For mine,

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<v Speaker 3>disappeared is still an active word, while murdered is closed.

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<v Speaker 3>Disappeared means not placing culpability back on the victim when

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<v Speaker 3>we do not know the circumstances of their disappearance. But

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<v Speaker 3>unlike missing, there remains an active person or structure that

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<v Speaker 3>could be culpable or responsible for their disappearance. In the

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<v Speaker 3>absence of knowing, we must find a way to describe

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<v Speaker 3>this situation that leaves it open for any avenue of

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<v Speaker 3>justice and supports the family in whatever fight they wish

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<v Speaker 3>to wage on their loved ones. Behalf now, as I said,

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<v Speaker 3>that's an article that you can go and read on

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<v Speaker 3>Amy's substack and prior to Amy writing that piece. We

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<v Speaker 3>actually had a very lengthy discussion. As we have explained,

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<v Speaker 3>as we often do about these issues and have done

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<v Speaker 3>over the last six years of making Curtain and working

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<v Speaker 3>on Kevin's case and a host of other cases and

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<v Speaker 3>working with families. That what you hear is just a

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<v Speaker 3>very distilled sample of what we discuss in the background

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<v Speaker 3>when working and as Amy described, using the word disappeared

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<v Speaker 3>was a very deliberate choice. And so today I want

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<v Speaker 3>to introduce you to a case that Amy goes on

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<v Speaker 3>to write about in that article and involves an inquest

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<v Speaker 3>that Amy attended. Now that is the case of a

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<v Speaker 3>twenty four year old Monique Club, an Aboriginal woman who

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<v Speaker 3>was last seen at Benlee Station in Brisbane on the

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<v Speaker 3>twenty second of June twenty thirteen. That in quest has

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<v Speaker 3>since concluded, and since then both Amy and I have

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<v Speaker 3>spoken to Miss Club's family. Amy has begun work on

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<v Speaker 3>a number of articles on Miss Clubs disappearance, and I

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<v Speaker 3>have undertaken to work and assist the family in whatever

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<v Speaker 3>way I can to help find Miss Club and find

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<v Speaker 3>answers as to exactly what happened. I'll begin by reading

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<v Speaker 3>the conclusion to the inquest, and then I intend this

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<v Speaker 3>episode purely to be for information about Miss Club's disappearance

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<v Speaker 3>and as some background, And in future episodes, I'll talk

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<v Speaker 3>to Amy about the inquest itself and what it was

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<v Speaker 3>like to attend. We will speak about what the family

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<v Speaker 3>have undertaken over the years to find her, and then

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<v Speaker 3>I hope we can begin to bring you progress as

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<v Speaker 3>we discover more information and as I investigate and try

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<v Speaker 3>and get answers for the family. So the Corners report

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<v Speaker 3>at the end of the inquest simply reads the identity

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<v Speaker 3>of the deceased Monique Irone Club, how she died, undetermined

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<v Speaker 3>place of death. I find that Miss Club probably died

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<v Speaker 3>in Benley or in the Brisbane area, and the date

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<v Speaker 3>of death. Miss Club died on or soon after the

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<v Speaker 3>twenty second of June twenty thirteen. So following all these

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<v Speaker 3>years of waiting, and one can only imagine the anguish

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<v Speaker 3>that Miss Club's family, her siblings and her mother, Sheena,

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<v Speaker 3>who I've had the honor of talking to and about

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<v Speaker 3>her life and also about her disappearance in the aftermath,

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<v Speaker 3>and the anguish that they've all been through over these years.

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<v Speaker 3>Every single day to then also sit through an inquest

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<v Speaker 3>and hear a lot of highly unpleasant details and also

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<v Speaker 3>here from witnesses, here from police, and then to find

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<v Speaker 3>that how she died can't be determined, that her place

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<v Speaker 3>of death in Lee or the Brisbane area. We're talking

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<v Speaker 3>about a major capital city. It is a very large area,

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<v Speaker 3>and even the date can't be determined. These are not answers.

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<v Speaker 3>This is not a conclusion in any means. And given

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<v Speaker 3>that Miss Club has never been found, clearly the family

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<v Speaker 3>can't rest until they have answers, until they at the

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<v Speaker 3>very least can lay her to rest, how can they

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<v Speaker 3>ever even begin to commence the grieving process. And so

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<v Speaker 3>I think at the very beginning of this, we're actually

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<v Speaker 3>starting at the conclusion of the inquest findings and just

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<v Speaker 3>how open these are, how they really provide no answers whatsoever,

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<v Speaker 3>and in terms of how Monique may have died, where

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<v Speaker 3>she could possibly be and when this occurred. And now

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<v Speaker 3>I want to break down some of the details of

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<v Speaker 3>this in quest. So to give you a very quick background,

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<v Speaker 3>Monique left Harvey Bay for an unplanned trip with a

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<v Speaker 3>number of friends and they drove together to the greater

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<v Speaker 3>Brisbane area. Miss Club had been in a very serious

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<v Speaker 3>accident and suffered really horrible injuries in the years prior

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<v Speaker 3>to her disappearance, and was struggling with the use of painkillers.

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<v Speaker 3>As many people will know, the over prescription of the

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<v Speaker 3>drug fentanyl is something that has been analyzed lot in

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<v Speaker 3>the media, particularly in America where it's a huge issue,

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<v Speaker 3>and somewhat in Australia where it's been raised on where

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<v Speaker 3>it's been raised in media like Four Corners, where even

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<v Speaker 3>paramedics have struggled with its misuse. It is highly addictive,

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<v Speaker 3>the withdrawals are awful, and this is a drug that

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<v Speaker 3>is often wrongly prescribed, should never have been prescribed in

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<v Speaker 3>the first place, and often requires serious impatient support to

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<v Speaker 3>assist someone to come off the drug and to rebuild

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<v Speaker 3>their life afterwards. This is of course no fault of

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<v Speaker 3>the patient. This is a substance that was prescribed to

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<v Speaker 3>them because of serious pain. In Miss Club's case, because

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<v Speaker 3>of a serious accident that had left her with very

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<v Speaker 3>hard to live with injuries that were causing her a

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<v Speaker 3>great deal of pain, and she was simply trying to

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<v Speaker 3>navigate life as best as possible. So while in Brisbane,

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<v Speaker 3>Miss Club attended a medical practice where she was prescribed

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<v Speaker 3>five high dose ventanyl patches and fifty diazepam tablets that's valium.

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<v Speaker 3>The coroner found that the prescribing of the patches and

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<v Speaker 3>the diazepam was inappropriate. It was also noted that the

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<v Speaker 3>medical records at that practice stated that Miss Club should

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<v Speaker 3>not be prescribed opioid based or synthetic pain relief of

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<v Speaker 3>such an addictive and strong nature, and yet it was

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<v Speaker 3>given to her anyway. It was then dispensed by a

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<v Speaker 3>nearby pharmacist where Miss Club obtained only the ventanyl patches,

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<v Speaker 3>and then after which she went into a nearby shop.

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<v Speaker 3>She was in a shopping center and was asked to leave.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not possible to ascertain whether this was because of

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<v Speaker 3>her behavior. It could have been racial profiling. We really

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<v Speaker 3>can't tell. But a security guard was called. He didn't

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<v Speaker 3>believe that Miss Club was any trouble at all, and

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<v Speaker 3>he witnessed her leave the shopping center. She was quite

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<v Speaker 3>in the distance at this point and that she'd walked

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<v Speaker 3>into a park and that's where he last saw her.

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<v Speaker 3>And he said that she seemed uninjured and okay, but

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<v Speaker 3>that's where she was last seen. And he was the

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<v Speaker 3>last person to see her. Miss Club then failed to

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<v Speaker 3>make contact with her mother, who she would be in

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<v Speaker 3>regular contact daily contact with via her telephone, and her

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<v Speaker 3>mother immediately filed a missing person's report with the police

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<v Speaker 3>in Harvey Bay, where Miss Club was from and where

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<v Speaker 3>her mother lived, and then the police investigation began. Immediately,

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<v Speaker 3>the police assumed something that I think we can all

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<v Speaker 3>probably guess and that you've heard many times in this

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<v Speaker 3>podcast before. They assumed Miss Club was drunk. She was not,

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<v Speaker 3>and the coroner stated that this finding, this assumption by

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<v Speaker 3>the police was inconsistent with the evidence. Well, not only

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<v Speaker 3>is it inconsistent with the evidence, it's another example of

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<v Speaker 3>the endless racism of the police around this country, where

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<v Speaker 3>anytime an Aboriginal person is in trouble, the police simply

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<v Speaker 3>assume they're drunk, and as you've heard throughout the years

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<v Speaker 3>of this podcast, so often, this is simply not the case,

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<v Speaker 3>and in Miss Club's case, it was just not true.

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<v Speaker 3>So the police investigation then commences a on a wrong footing.

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<v Speaker 3>I also believe that based on evidence, you will hear

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<v Speaker 3>shortly that the police had, once again, as they often do,

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<v Speaker 3>assume that she'd gone walk about and that she would

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<v Speaker 3>be found or returned home, which obviously did not happen,

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<v Speaker 3>and these were based on pure assumptions and without ascertaining

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<v Speaker 3>the facts at all. In fact, the coroner slam Queensland

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<v Speaker 3>Police for its shambolic response to Miss Club's disappearance. There

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<v Speaker 3>was also a great deal of confusion as to which

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<v Speaker 3>police officer officer and from what unit was leading the investigation.

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<v Speaker 3>This resulted in a number of critical delays and incorrected

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<v Speaker 3>tactical decision making in the field, which resulted in huge

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<v Speaker 3>gaps in the investigation and of may, in my opinion,

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<v Speaker 3>have resulted in the fact that Miss Club was not

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<v Speaker 3>found in those early days. Some of those mistakes and

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<v Speaker 3>some of the lack of direction include the fact that

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<v Speaker 3>police search and Rescue determined that Miss Club was not

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<v Speaker 3>in the park where she was last seen. Police, however,

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<v Speaker 3>concluded that Miss Club had died in the park based

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<v Speaker 3>on the wrong assumption that she was intoxicated, perhaps under

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<v Speaker 3>the influence of drugs. This was not consistent with the

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<v Speaker 3>statement of the security guard, who was both reliable at

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<v Speaker 3>the time and reliable at the inquest, and was the

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<v Speaker 3>last person to see Miss Club alive. Miss Club was

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<v Speaker 3>an active user of her mobile phone, both in making

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<v Speaker 3>calls to friends, family, people she knew, people she was around,

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<v Speaker 3>and yet police did not ascertain all of the available

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<v Speaker 3>call logs. They obtained some but not all in the

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<v Speaker 3>case of some witnesses and some people who may have

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<v Speaker 3>had further information as to where Miss Club might be

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<v Speaker 3>people who had been in her company. The police obtained

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<v Speaker 3>call logs, for example incoming calls, but not outgoing calls.

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<v Speaker 3>They could have missed vital and probably did miss vital information.

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<v Speaker 3>Another issue was that no triangulation of Miss Club's telephone

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<v Speaker 3>was performed. This would have allowed police to potentially locate

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<v Speaker 3>the phone locate if they could not locate the phone,

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<v Speaker 3>find the location of where it was last on and used,

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<v Speaker 3>and possibly even located Miss Club. They did not perform

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<v Speaker 3>this for two reasons. One they didn't believe that it

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<v Speaker 3>meant the threshold, that is, that is, Miss Club's disappearance

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<v Speaker 3>did not meet their threshold of her being in grave

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<v Speaker 3>or imminent danger or at risk ridiculous. The other issue

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<v Speaker 3>was cost. Now we understand the cost would have been

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<v Speaker 3>about five hundred dollars and Queensland Police decided that was

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<v Speaker 3>too much money to expend for the life of an

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<v Speaker 3>Aboriginal woman. The police did also not access all of

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<v Speaker 3>the available CCTV in the area. They did review CCTV

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<v Speaker 3>at the closest train station, but police can't say which

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<v Speaker 3>police viewed this CCTV footage, for how long it was viewed,

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<v Speaker 3>or where the notes are and what happened to those notes,

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<v Speaker 3>nor what those notes say. One officer admitted during the

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<v Speaker 3>coronial inquest that the CCTV was in the possession of

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<v Speaker 3>the QPS, but they couldn't find it, and admitted that

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<v Speaker 3>guidelines had not been followed. What we do know from

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<v Speaker 3>the CCTV footage that was seen is that miss Club

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<v Speaker 3>was last seen on CCTV at Binley Station. This footage

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<v Speaker 3>from the train station could have provided vital information as

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<v Speaker 3>to her next movement and possible whereabouts, but the CCTV

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<v Speaker 3>was not viewed for long enough to determine whether she

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<v Speaker 3>got onto a train or not. This is crucial. Had

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<v Speaker 3>she got onto a train, then the police could have

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<v Speaker 3>looked at which train line it was they knew based

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<v Speaker 3>on the station she was at, and reviewed the CCTV

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<v Speaker 3>of all potential future stops along that line. Then they

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<v Speaker 3>could determine exactly where she got off, if she was

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<v Speaker 3>met by someone, and then review CCTV footage in that

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<v Speaker 3>location for further information. Had that CCTV footage revealed that

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<v Speaker 3>Miss Club had not got on the train, A, it

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<v Speaker 3>would have told them she'd remained in that bin Lee area,

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<v Speaker 3>and B they could have then reviewed CCTV footage both

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<v Speaker 3>public and private, from private businesses, petrol stations, local libraries,

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<v Speaker 3>shopping centers, pharmacies and scene. Did Miss Club get into

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<v Speaker 3>a vehicle with someone? Did she meet someone? Could they

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<v Speaker 3>view the license plate of a car she got into,

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<v Speaker 3>none of which we will ever know, A because they

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<v Speaker 3>didn't view the CCTV properly and B the CCTV that

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<v Speaker 3>was collected was not stored to their own guidelines. There

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<v Speaker 3>was also a serious lack of oversight, and this goes

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<v Speaker 3>to a slightly complex issue. But the ELDE of this

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<v Speaker 3>investigation was taken by Harvey Bay, which is hours away

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<v Speaker 3>from Brisbane where Miss Club went missing. Now, say I'm

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<v Speaker 3>from Canberra and I go visit Melbourne and I go

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<v Speaker 3>missing in Melbourne, why on earth would the Canberra Police

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<v Speaker 3>be tasked with finding me. It's not their patch, they

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<v Speaker 3>don't They're not there physically, they don't know the ground,

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<v Speaker 3>they don't know who to speak to. Once again, I

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<v Speaker 3>absolutely believe this was a case of police assuming that

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<v Speaker 3>Miss Club had gone walk about like they always do

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<v Speaker 3>when someone who is Aboriginal goes missing, just as they

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<v Speaker 3>did when Colin Walker Craig, one of the beautiful young

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<v Speaker 3>Aboriginal children who was murdered in and around Bauerville in

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<v Speaker 3>the nineties and for whom the families have never had justice.

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<v Speaker 3>These are the same wrong assumptions that police make.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>There are also further issues assigned as the lead investigator

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<v Speaker 3>was a senior constable. As we've seen with recent high

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<v Speaker 3>profile missing persons cases of non Indigenous people, enormous numbers

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<v Speaker 3>of detectives are assigned to the case and huge amounts

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<v Speaker 3>of resources are put into these cases, not for Aboriginal people,

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<v Speaker 3>and not for Miss Club, who had a senior constable

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<v Speaker 3>assigned to her case. This senior constable's report contained a

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<v Speaker 3>huge number of errors. When an oversight report was carried

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<v Speaker 3>out by a detective senior sergeant, they admitted at the

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<v Speaker 3>coronial investigation that their review did not involve any reinvestigation

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<v Speaker 3>of the matter. They simply relied on the original report

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<v Speaker 3>supplied by the senior Constable, and so that detective senior

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<v Speaker 3>sergeant's report, and remember Miss Club has never been found.

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<v Speaker 3>So this is an ongoing case of a woman who

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<v Speaker 3>is disappeared and could very well have been murdered, and

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<v Speaker 3>yet this detective senior sergeant's report, same mistakes. Now, one

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<v Speaker 3>of the things that was raised throughout the coronial inquest,

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<v Speaker 3>one of the things that's been mentioned in the media

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<v Speaker 3>by academics, by alleged experts, that this all has to

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<v Speaker 3>do with training, the following of procedures, that training manuals

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<v Speaker 3>be updated, That there was confusion about delegation of responsibilities,

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<v Speaker 3>about a lack of information sharing between search and rescue

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<v Speaker 3>missing persons units and the regular police. But let's be

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<v Speaker 3>honest what it really is. It's not any of those things.

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<v Speaker 3>They could have been solved decades ago when these errors

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<v Speaker 3>were first point out out. The answer to what happened

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<v Speaker 3>is very simple. The police did not give a shit,

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<v Speaker 3>and based on their racism, they assumed wrongly that Miss

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<v Speaker 3>Club was intoxicated, They assumed wrongly that she was in

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<v Speaker 3>that park, they assumed wrongly that she'd simply gone walk about,

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<v Speaker 3>and they assumed wrongly that she would simply go home

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<v Speaker 3>at some point the in between, of which they had

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<v Speaker 3>no care. All these mistakes mean that we are left

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<v Speaker 3>in the same position the family was when Miss Club's

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<v Speaker 3>mother first reported her missing, with no new information as

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<v Speaker 3>to where she might be, what has happened to her,

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<v Speaker 3>and who might have been involved in her disappearance or

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<v Speaker 3>potential murder. These are all issues we will explore in

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<v Speaker 3>the future. There are people who were around Miss Club

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<v Speaker 3>at the time who had the motive, the opportunity, and

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<v Speaker 3>the potential to murder her. This was never taken serious

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<v Speaker 3>seriously by the police. New information about this came to

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<v Speaker 3>light somewhat in the coronial inquest, but despite all of this,

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<v Speaker 3>no real active investigation continues. As Amy's article points out,

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<v Speaker 3>twenty thirteen was not just a year that Miss Club disappeared.

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<v Speaker 3>Another Aboriginal woman in Queensland disappeared that year too. She

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<v Speaker 3>too was most likely, I would say almost certainly murdered.

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<v Speaker 3>She too has never been found. Her family was let

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<v Speaker 3>down by the Queensland Police Department in the same ways.

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<v Speaker 3>So we'll be back very soon with a future episode

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<v Speaker 3>of Curtin the podcast, where I hope to bring you

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<v Speaker 3>more information where I'll speak to Amy about what it

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<v Speaker 3>was like to attend the inquest, what it was like

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<v Speaker 3>to hear this new information come forward, and hear the

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<v Speaker 3>realization that this was not simply a missing person's case,

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<v Speaker 3>but that Miss Club could very well have been murdered

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<v Speaker 3>and most of all in the background. We will be

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<v Speaker 3>working to do what we can to assist the family,

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<v Speaker 3>to find answers to find Miss Club, and to give

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<v Speaker 3>her family the chance to lay her to rest.