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Speaker 1: Good morning everybody. Welcome to the Daily OS. It's Thursday,

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Speaker 1: the twenty first of October and I'm joined today by

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Speaker 1: political journalists for the Dally OS Billy FitzSimons. Before Billy

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Speaker 1: and I take you through the news, here's a quick

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Speaker 1: rundown of the COVID numbers from around the country. Yesterday,

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Speaker 1: in Victoria there were eighteen hundred and forty one cases.

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Speaker 1: New South Wales recorded two hundred and eighty three new

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Speaker 1: cases of COVID and in the Act there were twenty

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Speaker 1: four cases of COVID nineteen. Billy, you're going to have

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Speaker 1: a chat with the CEO of Food Bank Australia later

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Speaker 1: in the pod. But what did we learn yesterday from

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Speaker 1: the Aikach inquiry in New South Wales?

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Speaker 2: So Former New South Wales Premier Mike Baird has told

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Speaker 2: the Independent Commission against Corruption he was incredulous when he

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Speaker 2: learned of Gladisbury Jiclian's secret relationship with former Boggle Wogger

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Speaker 2: MP Darryl maguire. Bed also told the public hearing he

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Speaker 2: believes she should have disclosed their relationship and.

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Speaker 1: If you're anything like me and don't know what incredulous means,

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Speaker 1: it means being unable to believe something. Meanwhile, in federal politics,

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Speaker 1: d Prime Minister and National's Leader Barnaby Joyce has said

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Speaker 1: he will share with Prime Minister Scott Morrison his party's

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Speaker 1: response to a net zero climate policy quote within the

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Speaker 1: next day. It comes less than two weeks before the

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Speaker 1: Glasgow Climate Conference, where Morrison is expected to commit Australia

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Speaker 1: to net zero missions by twenty fifty. Lots of news

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Speaker 1: on this decision hopefully today.

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Speaker 2: And in Western Australia, Premier Mark McGowan has announced COVID

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Speaker 2: nineteen vaccinations will become mandatory for about seventy five percent

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Speaker 2: of the state's workforce by the end of the year.

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Speaker 2: The vaccine mandate will apply to a range of workers,

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Speaker 2: including police, teachers and hospitality staff.

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Speaker 1: And today's good news celebrated by tens of thousands of

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Speaker 1: people over on our Instagram yesterday, Australia has hit a

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Speaker 1: significant milestone, with seventy percent of the eligible population having

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Speaker 1: now received both doses of a COVID nineteen vaccine. Good

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Speaker 1: Stuff Team yesterday we reported that almost one point two

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Speaker 1: million Australian children went hungry over the last year. This

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Speaker 1: was according to Food Bank's annual Hunger Report. Billy, you

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Speaker 1: spoke to the CEO of Food Bank yesterday to get

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Speaker 1: some insights into this report. What did you learn.

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Speaker 2: I think one of the things that struck me the

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Speaker 2: most about my interview with Brianna Casey was talking about

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Speaker 2: how many people in Australia go hungry, but also how

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Speaker 2: much food is wasted in Australia, and we talked about

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Speaker 2: how both of those issues could possibly be solved at

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Speaker 2: the same time. Here's our chat. Brianna, thank you so

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Speaker 2: much for joining us today.

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Speaker 3: Oh my pleasure. Thank you for having us on. It's

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Speaker 3: terrific and great podcast.

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Speaker 2: Can you start by just sharing what your report found today?

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Speaker 3: The Food Bank Hunger Report twenty twenty one has painted

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Speaker 3: a pretty troubling picture about what the state of food

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Speaker 3: insecurity is in Australia. And before I go any further,

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Speaker 3: I really should explain what we mean by food insecurity.

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Speaker 3: We're talking about people having anywhere from limited access to

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Speaker 3: skipping meals and sometimes going an entire day a week

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Speaker 3: one in six Australian adults and a further one point

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Speaker 3: food and security. So it means that they have limited

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Speaker 3: the quality of their food.

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Speaker 2: Australia is obviously one of the wealthiest countries in the

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Speaker 2: world and food shortages is not typically something that you'd

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Speaker 2: associate with developed countries. Can you explain what god Australia

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Speaker 3: Well, there's a couple of things to be really aware of.

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Speaker 3: We certainly need to be aware of the fact that

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Speaker 3: we don't traditionally have food shortages in Australia. In fact,

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Speaker 3: we produce enough food to feed our population three times over.

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Speaker 3: The challenge is that food is not necessarily reaching people

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Speaker 3: who need it the most. And what we've found is

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Speaker 3: for a range of reasons, from poverty and inequality through

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Speaker 3: What they're choosing or being forced to make savings on

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Speaker 3: And quite often they'll be choosing to feed their children

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Speaker 2: And I was reading that it's got worse since the pandemic.

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Speaker 2: Can you explain why that is?

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Speaker 3: people have got a higher level of income to be

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Speaker 3: So we've got a really long road ahead and we've

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Speaker 3: got some serious work to do at Food Bank if

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Speaker 3: who is going hungry right now has got food to

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Speaker 2: So interested in food Bank's methodology for this report, Like

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Speaker 2: when food banks set out to figure out how many

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Speaker 2: Australians are going hungry each week, how did you conduct

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Speaker 3: The food Bank Hunger Report is something that we've been

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Speaker 3: So in this instance, but in this particular year, we

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Speaker 3: conducted a national survey and that was conducted in July

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Speaker 3: this year, So twy eight hundred and seventy seven people

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Speaker 3: a great organization that runs as GIV, which is a

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Speaker 3: we also drew on food Bank's own food and growth

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Speaker 3: we are really keen to see there's a group of

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Speaker 3: a longitudinal study and a very detailed study into household

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Speaker 3: food and security in Australia, and we'd really love to

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Speaker 3: terms of what's happening. If we're to genuinely understand this

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Speaker 2: And you said before that Australia actually makes enough food

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Speaker 2: around seven point six million tons of food each year.

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Speaker 2: So on one hand we have severe food insecurity, but

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Speaker 2: we also have a problem with food wastage. Is there

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Speaker 3: Well, that's exactly why food Bank exists. The cost of

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Speaker 3: food waste to the Australian economy is actually thirty six

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Speaker 3: billion dollars, and twenty billion of that is food people

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Speaker 3: this amazing food in Australia, regardless of what's motivating you,

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Speaker 3: we have to do better on food waste and we

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Speaker 3: have to meet our global commitments to have food waste

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Speaker 3: by twenty thirty. But equally, if we can redirect food

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Speaker 3: And I acknowledge for some people this is just a

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Speaker 2: I'm sure there are people listening to this podcast asking

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Speaker 3: The first thing that people can do is really do

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Speaker 3: the fact that Australia does have a hunger problem, the

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Speaker 3: ask for help, and that's precisely why food Bank is here.

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Speaker 3: That's a really important step that everyone can take. But

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Speaker 3: in terms of what people can do to assist, we

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Speaker 3: talk about time, treasure, and talent. So if you can

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Speaker 3: donate time by volunteering at a food bank or a

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Speaker 3: If we talk about talent, there might be some incredibly

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Speaker 3: Bank is two meals created, So it's a really tangible

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Speaker 3: incredibly tough right now. And we can't do what we

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Speaker 3: And what I keep seeing over and over is the

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Speaker 2: Well, Bianna, thank you so much for everything that you do.

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Speaker 2: This is such an important issue to talk about. Thank

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Speaker 2: you so much for your time, Thank you

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Speaker 3: So much for having me on the podcast.