Speaker 1: Qust John O'Connell Breakfast Show podcast.
Speaker 2: We've got a chat now with Russell Brand, an amazing
Speaker 2: live performer. Russell and he's here in Australia's gonna be
Speaker 2: Melbourne next Friday and Saturday night is playing Hamer And
Speaker 2: although this show is a slightly different one, it's about
Speaker 2: his book Recovery, which came out a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2: Russell done very well. Well from someone who was a
Speaker 2: chronic heroin addict to have the career in life he's
Speaker 2: had the last couple of years and longer is amazing.
Speaker 2: He's got something to share, something to say. But please
Speaker 2: don't be mistaken. I think this will just be a
Speaker 2: dry talk from someone talking at you. Russell when you
Speaker 2: see him live is the very definition of a live performer.
Speaker 2: There's something, there's a real magic that happens when he
Speaker 2: gets onto a live stage. If you've not seen him before,
Speaker 2: I guarantee you have a good note. Anyway, here's our
Speaker 2: chat with Russell Brand.
Speaker 1: I'm good.
Speaker 2: I'm good now before we talk about the show and
Speaker 2: why you've come to Australia on that, first of all,
Speaker 2: we've been so messages over the last couple of days
Speaker 2: So have I got this right? Have you come on
Speaker 2: tour to Australia with your entire family?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm looking at them right now. I'm looking at
Speaker 3: my two daughters, the older one of which refuses to
Speaker 3: adjust to the temperature of this country. She's dressed in
Speaker 3: multiple layers. She's whirling about this mental here with staying
Speaker 3: in Byron Bay in like sort of tropical conditions. Incredible.
Speaker 1: And how old are your kids?
Speaker 3: I've got a three year old and a two year old.
Speaker 2: Now, now as a father with thoughts myself, you've made
Speaker 2: it very hard to go on tour, do what you're doing,
Speaker 2: and bring a young family because the amount of gear
Speaker 2: you have to take with kids that like all their
Speaker 2: backup equipment, it's like traveling in an army unit.
Speaker 3: This really is really very cumbersome. The more addictive earliest
Speaker 3: children more, I realized that the entire difference and dul mistake.
Speaker 1: So you're already regretting your decision to bring.
Speaker 3: Them onto, to have children, to have children at all,
Speaker 3: to continue to populate the planets with more organ bags,
Speaker 3: just snatch away at oxygen and fill up suitcases.
Speaker 2: That's lovely for them to hear their dad talking like
Speaker 2: this to the media as well.
Speaker 1: It's a nice bonding experience.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I forget sometimes that these conversations are being
Speaker 3: broadcast now. I mean, do you know what I think
Speaker 3: as an Englishman will understand this, that the cynicism skepticism
Speaker 3: is kind of directly proportional to the kind of overwhelming
Speaker 3: sentimentality you feel if you actually spoke normally about it.
Speaker 3: And as an english person that is not acceptable.
Speaker 2: Because at first you must have found this. Last couple
Speaker 2: of years, it's almost the love you feel. It's almost
Speaker 2: too much to bear. I didn't know you could get
Speaker 2: so much pleasure from just watching a little person's sleep.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't stand it. And you see in one
Speaker 3: of our messages, So that conversation went on quite a
Speaker 3: long while. How it's changed. The voice notes examining the
Speaker 3: the new shi of the Deonte Wilder Tyson Fury fight.
Speaker 3: You sit there like you talked about their hands and
Speaker 3: and oh man, you know, I like, I'm a sort
Speaker 3: of emotionally open person. So really I live sort of
Speaker 3: suspended in bliss and all. And the reason that they're
Speaker 3: with me is because there is nothing in my life
Speaker 3: that's worth spending time away from them for Oh, that's
Speaker 3: that's the actual truth of it. I mean to listen
Speaker 3: out on the radio, that kind of mawkish sentimentality better
Speaker 3: and I'm being dismissive about their entire lives. One of
Speaker 3: them studdling over at me right now.
Speaker 2: No, I'm I think they are genuinely interested in how
Speaker 2: you're finding Father, because you know so much of your
Speaker 2: life story, which is incredible, what you've what you've done,
Speaker 2: and what you've managed to achieve, and what you've managed
Speaker 2: to h to do with yourself and transform your life.
Speaker 1: I think it'd be I think it.
Speaker 2: I find it very interesting to find out how you're
Speaker 2: finding these first couple of years of father, because it
Speaker 2: is it changes your whole life and your life you.
Speaker 3: I think it's like what I was looking for in
Speaker 3: the first place. When I think about how much time
Speaker 3: and dedication I put into heroin addiction, craft addiction, various
Speaker 3: forms of behavioral addiction, it turns out, really all I
Speaker 3: needed to calm myself down after going to ground myself
Speaker 3: after adulation is like human feces all over the floor,
Speaker 3: and people who completely gives interested in me.
Speaker 2: Is that the thirteenth step in the twelve step to
Speaker 2: recovery is human feces and children.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, massing earth like the soil of humanity.
Speaker 2: And so how do you find doing shows in Australia?
Speaker 2: Do you like coming here?
Speaker 3: When I've previously been a Christian, I've always really, really
Speaker 3: loved it. It's a sort of perfect blend of the
Speaker 3: anglophonic countries. I think like it's sort of like working
Speaker 3: class English culture, but the whole country is working class culture,
Speaker 3: like Essex. It's like Australia is Essex as a continent,
Speaker 3: like sort of blue collar kind of casualness. People telling
Speaker 3: each other they're out of order, call each other mate
Speaker 3: in parliament and on the two slamming us down and belching,
Speaker 3: but there's a constant ongoing barbecue, sort like Yeah, I
Speaker 3: didn't want so the consequence of no class system, no class,
Speaker 3: but I woke. I love Australia. I think it's a
Speaker 3: mental place. I feel like I could give here. You
Speaker 3: obviously do, because you don't you Yeah.
Speaker 2: And so much what he say is true. They are
Speaker 2: Australians are very fair people. They're very direct, very very
Speaker 2: hard working as well. And if you saw the response
Speaker 2: over the last couple of months, to the horror that
Speaker 2: came out of the bushfires.
Speaker 1: The one lovely thing was how.
Speaker 2: People were trying to help each other out and no
Speaker 2: small thing was too small, which was really really nice
Speaker 2: to see and be part of.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I suppose it's because your country is remote. It's
Speaker 3: been difficult to conceive of and almost bearable to look
Speaker 3: at some of the ecological horror unfolding. But I suppose
Speaker 3: a silver lining for that is the revelation of humanity,
Speaker 3: and that off sited idea that during the Blitz people
Speaker 3: felt more connected. I suppose a consequence of living in
Speaker 3: a culture stripped of the sacred, where we're continually directed
Speaker 3: to rolls as consumers instead of active citizens, as we
Speaker 3: lose purpose, and sometimes a terrible crisis such as this one,
Speaker 3: such as this country is just endured. It doesn't live
Speaker 3: to remind us that we are all here together with
Speaker 3: the common purpose and a common path.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it got people to put down their aloneness. Sometimes,
Speaker 2: you know, we're so private in our worlds our phone
Speaker 2: to that little bubble and appears, then, you.
Speaker 3: Know, I suppose that's sometimes what it takes is difficult,
Speaker 3: was to conceptualized crisis on the global of it that
Speaker 3: we're continually told that we're on the brink of ecological breakdown,
Speaker 3: if you know, we've got a generation to change the
Speaker 3: world at least that sort of you know, it tends
Speaker 3: to be that that's the sort of left wing liberal argument.
Speaker 3: The right wing argum intends to be that ecological crisis
Speaker 3: are periodic and all that kind of thing. But for me, really,
Speaker 3: I feel personally happier when I'm connected to some kind
Speaker 3: of purpose, when I feel that I'm a participant in
Speaker 3: this sort of triabilized society rather than just an annexed
Speaker 3: and atomized individual just rolling through this. And that's one
Speaker 3: willing to pack seven or eight suitcases for a three
Speaker 3: week work trip into rather demanding individuals with me sense
Speaker 3: of player, person meaning and per every year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that your whole thing of traveling around with group
Speaker 2: piece is now completely different. Yeah, that's over, So tell
Speaker 2: me about the show. Then I read Recovery. I read
Speaker 2: your book a couple of years ago, which I loved.
Speaker 2: I thought it was really surprising and it was sort
Speaker 2: of a big new, I think, a parts of new
Speaker 2: sort of transformation and area view that you've moved into
Speaker 2: very well over the last couple of years, and I'd
Speaker 2: love to know that, how does that, how's it going
Speaker 2: to work live?
Speaker 1: What can people expect?
Speaker 2: Because I know you've been out here before, and thousands
Speaker 2: of people all over Australia love coming to see you live.
Speaker 1: Tell us about this show.
Speaker 3: Actually was an experience that I had in Australia that
Speaker 3: changed my approach to spound up comedy. I was doing
Speaker 3: a gig in Brisbane, somewhere in some vast and sprawling arena,
Speaker 3: and at the beginning of the show there were lots
Speaker 3: of hippie type people I guess from by them all
Speaker 3: bringing me like crystals and stuff. And now for any attainer,
Speaker 3: it's a sad day when the underwear turns to crystals
Speaker 3: and dream catches no longer people crossing undergarments, but presentingly
Speaker 3: with copies of the work for Chrishnamurti the grant. But
Speaker 3: I realized people don't just walk straight entertainment from me anymore.
Speaker 3: I've always sort of spoken like tangently about politics and spirituality. Well,
Speaker 3: this show is just leads fully embracing it. It's still funny,
Speaker 3: it's still spontaneous. But I explain how the technique I
Speaker 3: was taught to recover from addiction. The twelve step program
Speaker 3: can be applied to any form of attachment, any form
Speaker 3: of dissatisfaction. One of the things that's viewtiful for about
Speaker 3: twelve step recovery is it assumes that we are capable
Speaker 3: of being happy and content, but only if we allder
Speaker 3: our relationship with pleasure and recognize that purpose is more
Speaker 3: important than pleasure. So I talk through this system, I
Speaker 3: demonstrate how it works, I answer audience questions, and I
Speaker 3: it might So it's like me moving into personal development
Speaker 3: and spirituality while continually acknowledging that I'm more mentally ill
Speaker 3: than the people that I'm trying to explain it to.
Speaker 3: So it's not sort of didactic as it were Christian.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying, oh, like I talk about in the show.
Speaker 3: I'm not like e Car's Hoole or Tony Robbins or
Speaker 3: Deepak Chopra or Brene Brown or all of the people
Speaker 3: that I've been hanging around with and spending time with
Speaker 3: a learning form because I'm still crazy every single day
Speaker 3: from it. Every day I'll do something that makes me think,
Speaker 3: my God, if you don't belong in this world. But
Speaker 3: there's a commonly understood idea about addiction, that it is
Speaker 3: an attempt to achieve connection. That people that get overly
Speaker 3: dependent on alcohol drugs are people that simply do are
Speaker 3: people that simply can't bear to live in the world.
Speaker 3: As I've said before, strip of the Sacred now, like
Speaker 3: chemical dependency is an exaggerated and obvious example of a
Speaker 3: condition that I think is ubiquitous. I think we're all
Speaker 3: on the spectrum of addiction because attachment in any form
Speaker 3: is a kind of addiction. All of us are trying
Speaker 3: to make ourselves feel better by controlling that other people
Speaker 3: think about us, earning their money, trying to become successful,
Speaker 3: trying to get someone to fall in love with us.
Speaker 3: If I just had a better boyfriend or girlfriend, or
Speaker 3: a better phone, another better phone, another better phone, then
Speaker 3: I would be fulfilled and happy. Or the prospect system
Speaker 3: essentially is it tall for awakening you from the belief
Speaker 3: that the outside world can ever fulfill you unless you
Speaker 3: have some kind of deep inner connection. And it's available
Speaker 3: for anybody. I think that you know for me, it's ambition.
Speaker 3: Now it's a purpose to tell as many people as
Speaker 3: possible about this, because I think it's a system for
Speaker 3: awakening that's trans denomination or for anyone if you believe
Speaker 3: in God, or you don't believe in God, if you're
Speaker 3: living in Christian, Joatheist, agnostic, whatever it is you're into
Speaker 3: that we're all looking for something. And if we don't
Speaker 3: have a clear idea of what is holy and what
Speaker 3: is worthy of worship, we will apply holiness and worship
Speaker 3: to anything. We start worshiping nation, we start worshiping consumerism,
Speaker 3: start worshiping sport or sex, or drugs or food. It's
Speaker 3: just an innate tendency part of our inner teleology, this yearning,
Speaker 3: this craving for connection and wholeness. And because living a
Speaker 3: really continually appointed as consumers instead of, as I said before,
Speaker 3: citizens or awakened participants in community, I feel that many, many,
Speaker 3: many of ours lost. This was something I realized in Australia.
Speaker 3: You know, we turn back after that. For I'm not
Speaker 3: going to do another show where I just come out
Speaker 3: and to do jokes and talk about embarrassing things that
Speaker 3: have happened, although that is part of what I always do,
Speaker 3: because you know, it seems that open my mouth embarrassing
Speaker 3: things that have happened to me because they're the only
Speaker 3: kind of things that really do happen to me, but
Speaker 3: that this time there is a clear intent to convey
Speaker 3: a deliberate and effective message, a set of tools that
Speaker 3: can work.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's Russell, you said so much. There.
Speaker 2: There are a couple of things, You're right, the spectrum
Speaker 2: of addiction that most of us are at some point on.
Speaker 2: You know, there is a gravitational pull, isn't there, Because
Speaker 2: most of us, if we're on it's an exciting time
Speaker 2: to be alive, but there's a lot of distractions from
Speaker 2: actually spending time with ourselves, and those feelings are part
Speaker 2: of ourselves that we don't actually like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, mate, That's why I feel because in
Speaker 3: a sense, people need to be continually kept, be satisfied,
Speaker 3: bombarded with fear and desire, fear in the form of
Speaker 3: news media, desire in the form of marketing, in order
Speaker 3: to keep us consuming. Like me, now, I'm different because
Speaker 3: I've had to work this stuff to get over the
Speaker 3: drug addiction and the behavior and addictions around food and sex.
Speaker 3: I've changed and now I'm still edgy. I'm a pretty
Speaker 3: sick person and I'm a person left command devices are
Speaker 3: by a drug overdose. But and so the fact that
Speaker 3: I'm sort of still alive, and my biggest problems now
Speaker 3: are sometimes I'm a bit irritable or sometimes I'm a
Speaker 3: bit impatient. It's been dialed right down, and now I
Speaker 3: don't read so much. Now I recognize, you know, I
Speaker 3: had a humility, humility being. I recognized my own relative
Speaker 3: insignificance in the world. I recognized pain and money into
Speaker 3: Chris and never do anything for me, really in the
Speaker 3: same way that drink and drugs could never do anything
Speaker 3: for me. I'm not saying those things aren't pleasurable. Of course,
Speaker 3: orgadams are preasurable. Of Course, the chemical rush of cocaine
Speaker 3: is pleasurable.
Speaker 2: I think, do you know what the timing is? If
Speaker 2: you look at the people that you name check, like
Speaker 2: Brene Brown, I was listening to a podcast with her yesterday,
Speaker 2: and you know, Byron Katie you've done work with and
Speaker 2: Tony Robbins. Don't you think that there is an appetite
Speaker 2: right now? Hopefully there is that people realize that actually
Speaker 2: the system isn't working for them, like they've seen through
Speaker 2: the matrix and they've found it wanting. They might not
Speaker 2: know what it is, but I just I think there
Speaker 2: is something around that more of these people. Tony Robins
Speaker 2: has been around for years, since I was a teenager
Speaker 2: when I first read his book Awakened the Giant with him,
Speaker 2: But he's becoming bigger because more and more people are
Speaker 2: searching for meaning and purpose in their.
Speaker 1: Lives, aren't they.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And also it's just natural that, you know, we
Speaker 3: were Capitalism in its current form is only surviving because
Speaker 3: after the two thousand and eight crash in like I
Speaker 3: don't know how being in Australia, but in Britain and America,
Speaker 3: there was a decision was made to prop up those
Speaker 3: systems using state money. So capitalism is already over. We're
Speaker 3: living in the zombie pansm of it. And that means
Speaker 3: that people on a personal level are experiencing the failure
Speaker 3: and lack of not lack of growth, but the inability
Speaker 3: of capitalism to fulfill you ultimately. And I suppose the
Speaker 3: system that capitalism can sort of a place the kind
Speaker 3: of more conventional religious ideologies where we felt like, you know,
Speaker 3: we were going to work in order to police God
Speaker 3: and we were a member of the parish and community.
Speaker 3: And those ideas have died out now, so we don't
Speaker 3: live by religious ideas. We can't live by economic ideas.
Speaker 3: Our culture is starting to feel so sort of cannibalistic
Speaker 3: and empty in so many areas. But there needs to
Speaker 3: be a like I suppose what we're having in reemergence
Speaker 3: of spirituality, but you know all those figures, you just
Speaker 3: know Tony Robbins, Burnet Brown, et cetera. They're all talking
Speaker 3: about spirituality up and down, the sort of across the spectrum,
Speaker 3: like Tony Robbins, like, well, what I used to listen
Speaker 3: to him as well, like years ago, and it was
Speaker 3: much more focused on personal success then, you know, And
Speaker 3: a lot of personal development and wellbeing is meditate, become mindful,
Speaker 3: wake yourself up so that you can be a better accountant,
Speaker 3: or a better lawyer, or a better TV present or
Speaker 3: whatever it is you're into. But really the point of
Speaker 3: spirituality is to recognize that all of those things are secondary.
Speaker 3: But even if we're going to have jobs and have
Speaker 3: economic roles, those things can't be primary. We already know
Speaker 3: that there isn't No one would say that their job
Speaker 3: is more important than their children or the people that
Speaker 3: they love. Really, but we active if the bloody is.
Speaker 3: We all act as if it is because we're all
Speaker 3: operating within the confine of the system that's kind of dying.
Speaker 3: So for me, I feel like I want to promote
Speaker 3: these ideas and principles because I feel like if enough
Speaker 3: people are aware of them, and enough people are talking
Speaker 3: about them, it could bring about and facilitate change. It's
Speaker 3: difficult for us to conceptualize when it's sort of a
Speaker 3: minority interest, because what part of what the show is
Speaker 3: about Christian is like that I have an individual have
Speaker 3: some abilities that they're limited, and you, with an individual,
Speaker 3: have some ability that they're limited. But collectively and together,
Speaker 3: I think we can achieve real change if we were
Speaker 3: able to change our priorities, if we were to if
Speaker 3: we were able to brush aside some of the constraints
Speaker 3: that are foisted upon us from birth that our entire
Speaker 3: perception bend towards a particular way of living.
Speaker 1: So tell me about this.
Speaker 2: Then, the last couple years, I get the sense that
Speaker 2: there has been a real sort of change in your
Speaker 2: direction and purpose moving from you know, you would look
Speaker 2: like you were destined and you already were a big
Speaker 2: Hollywood start. You were doing movies, and you had all
Speaker 2: the fame, all the trappings, good and bad that come
Speaker 2: with that was Now it feels like you've made a
Speaker 2: proper decision to move away from that and you are
Speaker 2: on a new purpose and a new mission. Has it
Speaker 2: been that deliberate or is it a gradual thing?
Speaker 3: Some of it was like the realization that that way
Speaker 3: of life wasn't working for me, And some of it
Speaker 3: was the sort of feeling like I was failing, like
Speaker 3: films weren't doing good enough, you know, And I felt like,
Speaker 3: how am I going to respond to this? How am
Speaker 3: I going to respond to this feeling of inadequacy and
Speaker 3: inferiority by doubling down, by trying again. And look, I
Speaker 3: still working in entertainment. I've done a couple of films
Speaker 3: in the last year that are coming out, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm writing a TV show. I'm doing these things, but
Speaker 3: I'm doing it from a very different perspective now. And
Speaker 3: when I'm doing this kind of work, work where I'm
Speaker 3: talking about spirituality and awakening, hopefully from a humorous perspective
Speaker 3: that there maybe there't have been enough of that in
Speaker 3: this conversation, I'll grant you, I feel more connected and
Speaker 3: more alive. So what's what happened to me? Is I
Speaker 3: just continue the same way as I recognized that drugsn't
Speaker 3: working or that sex wasn't working, I now recognize nothing
Speaker 3: will work. The only thing will work is a sense
Speaker 3: of inner peace and connection and a chief for spiritual
Speaker 3: techniques and then being kind and useful to other people.
Speaker 3: And even though it's an obvious thing, it's difficult to
Speaker 3: live by.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how does that look like day day to day?
Speaker 2: For you do get up and you meditate first thing
Speaker 2: in the morning, what's a normal day?
Speaker 3: Get up? Like? Like, so get up and first of all,
Speaker 3: like someone's feeling nervous, and oh god, I don't feel
Speaker 3: good enough. I WA's the point is too odd? Like
Speaker 3: I wake up feeling angry and weird most days. And
Speaker 3: then like a second voice now reminds me, don't wy
Speaker 3: of us always. Okay, we're just going to go like
Speaker 3: you've become my own parent, as it were. We're just
Speaker 3: going to meditate now. So then I go off and
Speaker 3: if I meditate that today I've meditated, and Dane, you
Speaker 3: got and then this move, this new breath move off
Speaker 3: a teacher that I went to yoga class in Los
Speaker 3: Angeles or wherever I was yesterday, and it's amazing like
Speaker 3: this breath technique to just you'd like sharp inhalations in
Speaker 3: the lower abdomen and then you sort of sit up,
Speaker 3: excuse me, on your knees and inhale and hold your breath.
Speaker 3: And it like from a from a from a materialist perspective,
Speaker 3: people go, if you're just nearly passing out? Is what
Speaker 3: you're doing? But you know what it feels like to
Speaker 3: me is like I like there's a second consciousness continually
Speaker 3: running the same way as your narrativizing mind. It's always
Speaker 3: telling me I'm not good enough. Man, I'm not good enough. Father,
Speaker 3: I should have done this, I shouldn't have done that.
Speaker 3: If you win, that cuts if you if you through
Speaker 3: breath techniques, access another aspect of your consciousness. There's a
Speaker 3: second mind continually working, continually running, a second consciousness that
Speaker 3: I believe you've all got access to. I got tuned
Speaker 3: into that this very morning while doing yoga, I meditated,
Speaker 3: I prayed. I have a sort of little routine for prayer.
Speaker 3: Then I was an asshole to my wife, like, well
Speaker 3: we need to.
Speaker 1: And is that all part of the that a breath teacher?
Speaker 1: What's the teacher?
Speaker 2: So this is a breathing tonally, and then what you
Speaker 2: need to do is just complement that with being an
Speaker 2: asshole to.
Speaker 3: Your wife might get out there and get.
Speaker 2: Out there.
Speaker 1: The ying and the yang. You need to balance it out.
Speaker 3: Russell, Actually we've all got feet of claim. And then
Speaker 3: I realized, don't know, hold on a minute, hold on,
Speaker 3: I'm good at that. I'm always being not good at
Speaker 3: getting out of my head in various ways, a proclivity,
Speaker 3: a tendency against for that. What's hard for me being
Speaker 3: in the world and being normal and being polite, being decent,
Speaker 3: And that's the stuff that I find out. But the truth,
Speaker 3: So why I do this spiritual stuff. The easier it gets,
Speaker 3: the easier it gets, the sort of living in a
Speaker 3: world that's like to be able to discern between Look,
Speaker 3: this is just the way life is. Everything's temporary, everything's finite.
Speaker 3: Everyone you love is going to die. You're going to die.
Speaker 3: Get used to it. But then also being able to see,
Speaker 3: hold on me, we don't need to live in vanity,
Speaker 3: in narcissism and self obsession. So one of the important
Speaker 3: things I think about the way that I'm being taught
Speaker 3: on the way I'm understanding the spiritual path for us
Speaker 3: individually to pursue, not for us to formb lambast or
Speaker 3: project onto other people. Even though you know, I love
Speaker 3: all that, I love these angelsis and I love positive tiding,
Speaker 3: I love standing on the spades chatting away. But I
Speaker 3: don't ever tell other people how to live or how
Speaker 3: to be. I just say, well, these are the techniques
Speaker 3: that I've used that stopped me being a serious nutcase,
Speaker 3: have helped me to become sort of you know, bearable ordinary,
Speaker 3: you know, and I feel like if they could work
Speaker 3: for me, they can work with anybody.
Speaker 2: Now when you say break it down for everybody, right,
Speaker 2: So imagine there's people listen to this right who would
Speaker 2: like to have a better relationship with themselves alone the outside.
Speaker 2: Well let's just talk about the relationship with himself with themselves.
Speaker 2: But you know, a lot of this stuff takes time.
Speaker 2: You know a lot of people just it's busy, Russell.
Speaker 2: They get up early in the morning, got to do
Speaker 2: a job. They might not even like that much. They
Speaker 2: haven't got the luxury that someone like you and I
Speaker 2: with a bit more time in our lives. How do
Speaker 2: you break it down for them? Because obviously the things
Speaker 2: you're talking about are meaningful and brilliant and do bring
Speaker 2: around changes and connect us than otherness, but they take
Speaker 2: a lot of time.
Speaker 3: I feel like the thing that's been very important to
Speaker 3: me is to recognize that there is something within us
Speaker 3: communicating with us, you know, Like you know when you
Speaker 3: talk about that people they don't have time, they're doing
Speaker 3: a job they don't like. Right, It's I feel like
Speaker 3: that that's a rough ride. Obviously, I don't hang around
Speaker 3: most of the people with me what I do for
Speaker 3: a living because of like I don't know, I just
Speaker 3: I belong to a lot of groups for drug addicts
Speaker 3: and alcoholics. I hang around with people that you know
Speaker 3: in all walks of life. But for all of us,
Speaker 3: the same spiritual technique to work in the acknowledgment if
Speaker 3: you'll be satisfied, if there's something in you trying to
Speaker 3: be heard, trying to tell you that you're not happy
Speaker 3: with your work or your relationship and you feel like, oh, well,
Speaker 3: I can't do anything because I need the money whatever. Well,
Speaker 3: I've discovered and I've seen a lot of other people
Speaker 3: realize this also. But if you prioritize an authentic relationship
Speaker 3: with that voice, and that's what the way techniquely useful.
Speaker 3: If they provide you with parameters and methods and skills
Speaker 3: and tools so that you're able to do that, then
Speaker 3: if a change of direction is required, it kind of
Speaker 3: it becomes possible, you know. Like it's to say that
Speaker 3: we are just talking about a lot. I'm unhappy with
Speaker 3: my job because I have to commute for hours and
Speaker 3: I don't like the job. Like, the fact is, we
Speaker 3: are free. We are free to change direction in our life.
Speaker 3: You know that, people you know you say like we
Speaker 3: are lucky and privileged. But I'm from a normal background.
Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean? My family aren't in
Speaker 3: entertainment and show business. I'm like single mother, you know
Speaker 3: likely I'm not a single mother. I'm a father with
Speaker 3: a partner. I'm having a lovely time.
Speaker 1: Michael actually become a single mother.
Speaker 3: Oh I've done is of reverse to my gender. IM sure,
Speaker 3: dedication and willpower Christian up.
Speaker 4: It was barely an effort.
Speaker 3: Let me tell you, A quick pinch of a bander disappeared.
Speaker 3: So there's a lot of time and trouble.
Speaker 4: I should have done it.
Speaker 3: Twen years ago. But like what I'm saying is from
Speaker 3: a normally.
Speaker 4: Normal family and normal the spiritual life does not exempt
Speaker 4: or exclude anybody. I admit it ether if you're like
Speaker 4: working twelve hour shifts in the factory, or you're doing
Speaker 4: nice because hauling trucks. But the fact is that what
Speaker 4: is beautiful about this is I believe it will work
Speaker 4: for anyone the twilight to talk about it specifically, just
Speaker 4: so it doesn't sound so vague. The first step, you
Speaker 4: admit that you've got a problem in your life, that
Speaker 4: there's something you want to change. It can be, it
Speaker 4: should be specific. Could be I want to change the
Speaker 4: negative thinking. I want to change my poverty mentality, I
Speaker 4: want to change my posession with food, my posession with sex,
Speaker 4: watching too much porn, being in relationships that continually let
Speaker 4: me down. You accept as a problem whatever it is,
Speaker 4: and you're specific about it. The second thing is you've
Speaker 4: come to believe it's possible for its change for some people.
Speaker 4: That's in fact that we could just discussing.
Speaker 3: It's all rust all. You're famous, so you get to
Speaker 3: do so. You know, for me, I'm not famous. I
Speaker 3: can't check. Or you have to believe it's possible. You
Speaker 3: have to believe that there's people that have been in
Speaker 3: your position that have changed your life. That's why it's
Speaker 3: helpful to belong to communities, to find mentors, people that
Speaker 3: have already done what you want to do. The third
Speaker 3: thing you have to do. The third step is make
Speaker 3: a decision to turn your will and your life over
Speaker 3: to the care of God. As you understand God. Now
Speaker 3: you know that this could be complex or it could
Speaker 3: be simple. God can just be a benevolent force that
Speaker 3: is more powerful than you. It can be nature, it
Speaker 3: can be a conventional God. It can be the fact
Speaker 3: that within our own consciousness it seems that there are
Speaker 3: realms and abilities that we aren't able to add access
Speaker 3: through the cognizant mind. I mean put even more simply,
Speaker 3: I'm not running my digestice system right now. I'm not
Speaker 3: telling my heart to beat all of these things that
Speaker 3: are automatically happening. There is a deep intelligence in nature.
Speaker 3: There is a deep intelligence in chemistry and biology, and
Speaker 3: we are part of it. And if we can drop
Speaker 3: beneath the egoic mind, duding spiritual techniques, that intelligence can
Speaker 3: flow through it in a way that it can't when
Speaker 3: we're blocked off and locked off into materialistic thinking.
Speaker 4: So the third, the first step, there's a problem.
Speaker 3: The second step, the problem can change the third step.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to be able to change this problem
Speaker 3: on my own. I'm going to need help. That's hard
Speaker 3: for people. It's hard for people to reach out and
Speaker 3: ask for help. It's half the people to embraced faith.
Speaker 3: The four and fIF steps become quite administrative and quite
Speaker 3: heavy do demonstrate and in the shows, but like that's
Speaker 3: where it gets sort of quite grown up.
Speaker 1: Well listen. If people want to find out more anyway,
Speaker 1: they can go online.
Speaker 2: Russell does a free podcast as well, which is fantastic
Speaker 2: where you talk more about this and you get some
Speaker 2: other guests who have got stuff to add to already
Speaker 2: your journey as well, which is great under the Skin
Speaker 2: which I love. And if you want to go and
Speaker 2: see him, you are doing a big tour here. You're
Speaker 2: all over Australia and New Zealand, doing two nights in
Speaker 2: Melbourne as well at Hamer Hall. You can find out
Speaker 2: all of Russell's live dates at tickertech dot com dot
Speaker 2: you Russell. It's always a joy talking to You're an
Speaker 2: interesting fellow anyway. But this new journey I think is
Speaker 2: timely and I can't wait to come and see the
Speaker 2: show live, and I'm looking forward to seeing you next
Speaker 2: week in Sydneys.
Speaker 1: Maybe you can show me that pars and out technique.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, let's definitely do that. Let's pass out alone.
Speaker 4: That one.
Speaker 1: We were meditating. Honestly, we were just meditating together. I
Speaker 1: can't two guys do that this strange hotel.
Speaker 2: Having the game here.
Speaker 1: All right, Russell, thank you very much. The Christian O'Connell
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