WEBVTT - MINI: Russell Brand Interview 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:07.520 Qust John O'Connell Breakfast Show podcast. 0:00:08.000 --> 0:00:10.920 We've got a chat now with Russell Brand, an amazing 0:00:11.200 --> 0:00:13.920 live performer. Russell and he's here in Australia's gonna be 0:00:13.960 --> 0:00:17.360 Melbourne next Friday and Saturday night is playing Hamer And 0:00:17.720 --> 0:00:20.600 although this show is a slightly different one, it's about 0:00:20.600 --> 0:00:22.680 his book Recovery, which came out a couple of years ago. 0:00:23.239 --> 0:00:26.040 Russell done very well. Well from someone who was a 0:00:26.160 --> 0:00:29.360 chronic heroin addict to have the career in life he's 0:00:29.400 --> 0:00:32.240 had the last couple of years and longer is amazing. 0:00:32.280 --> 0:00:34.520 He's got something to share, something to say. But please 0:00:34.520 --> 0:00:36.239 don't be mistaken. I think this will just be a 0:00:36.360 --> 0:00:39.640 dry talk from someone talking at you. Russell when you 0:00:39.720 --> 0:00:43.480 see him live is the very definition of a live performer. 0:00:43.560 --> 0:00:46.279 There's something, there's a real magic that happens when he 0:00:46.320 --> 0:00:48.520 gets onto a live stage. If you've not seen him before, 0:00:48.720 --> 0:00:51.000 I guarantee you have a good note. Anyway, here's our 0:00:51.080 --> 0:00:52.400 chat with Russell Brand. 0:00:53.760 --> 0:00:54.240 I'm good. 0:00:54.320 --> 0:00:56.600 I'm good now before we talk about the show and 0:00:56.600 --> 0:00:59.120 why you've come to Australia on that, first of all, 0:00:59.560 --> 0:01:01.440 we've been so messages over the last couple of days 0:01:01.440 --> 0:01:03.160 So have I got this right? Have you come on 0:01:03.360 --> 0:01:06.440 tour to Australia with your entire family? 0:01:07.200 --> 0:01:09.679 Yeah, I'm looking at them right now. I'm looking at 0:01:09.840 --> 0:01:13.160 my two daughters, the older one of which refuses to 0:01:13.560 --> 0:01:18.680 adjust to the temperature of this country. She's dressed in 0:01:18.760 --> 0:01:23.280 multiple layers. She's whirling about this mental here with staying 0:01:23.280 --> 0:01:27.720 in Byron Bay in like sort of tropical conditions. Incredible. 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:29.360 And how old are your kids? 0:01:30.880 --> 0:01:32.640 I've got a three year old and a two year old. 0:01:33.200 --> 0:01:36.400 Now, now as a father with thoughts myself, you've made 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:38.839 it very hard to go on tour, do what you're doing, 0:01:38.920 --> 0:01:41.520 and bring a young family because the amount of gear 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:44.000 you have to take with kids that like all their 0:01:44.000 --> 0:01:46.400 backup equipment, it's like traveling in an army unit. 0:01:48.600 --> 0:01:52.040 This really is really very cumbersome. The more addictive earliest 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:56.120 children more, I realized that the entire difference and dul mistake. 0:02:01.240 --> 0:02:03.360 So you're already regretting your decision to bring. 0:02:03.200 --> 0:02:07.760 Them onto, to have children, to have children at all, 0:02:08.080 --> 0:02:13.279 to continue to populate the planets with more organ bags, 0:02:13.919 --> 0:02:17.240 just snatch away at oxygen and fill up suitcases. 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:19.680 That's lovely for them to hear their dad talking like 0:02:19.760 --> 0:02:20.799 this to the media as well. 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:22.160 It's a nice bonding experience. 0:02:24.120 --> 0:02:27.679 Yeah, and I forget sometimes that these conversations are being 0:02:27.720 --> 0:02:31.160 broadcast now. I mean, do you know what I think 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:35.440 as an Englishman will understand this, that the cynicism skepticism 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:40.239 is kind of directly proportional to the kind of overwhelming 0:02:40.320 --> 0:02:44.120 sentimentality you feel if you actually spoke normally about it. 0:02:44.160 --> 0:02:48.720 And as an english person that is not acceptable. 0:02:49.600 --> 0:02:51.720 Because at first you must have found this. Last couple 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:53.880 of years, it's almost the love you feel. It's almost 0:02:53.919 --> 0:02:56.079 too much to bear. I didn't know you could get 0:02:56.120 --> 0:02:58.720 so much pleasure from just watching a little person's sleep. 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:02.840 Yeah, I can't stand it. And you see in one 0:03:02.880 --> 0:03:05.320 of our messages, So that conversation went on quite a 0:03:05.320 --> 0:03:07.960 long while. How it's changed. The voice notes examining the 0:03:08.000 --> 0:03:11.440 the new shi of the Deonte Wilder Tyson Fury fight. 0:03:11.720 --> 0:03:13.960 You sit there like you talked about their hands and 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:17.079 and oh man, you know, I like, I'm a sort 0:03:17.120 --> 0:03:21.040 of emotionally open person. So really I live sort of 0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:23.680 suspended in bliss and all. And the reason that they're 0:03:23.720 --> 0:03:26.240 with me is because there is nothing in my life 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:29.880 that's worth spending time away from them for Oh, that's 0:03:30.320 --> 0:03:32.880 that's the actual truth of it. I mean to listen 0:03:33.000 --> 0:03:36.320 out on the radio, that kind of mawkish sentimentality better 0:03:36.400 --> 0:03:38.880 and I'm being dismissive about their entire lives. One of 0:03:38.880 --> 0:03:40.560 them studdling over at me right now. 0:03:40.800 --> 0:03:43.400 No, I'm I think they are genuinely interested in how 0:03:43.480 --> 0:03:46.240 you're finding Father, because you know so much of your 0:03:46.240 --> 0:03:48.680 life story, which is incredible, what you've what you've done, 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:50.480 and what you've managed to achieve, and what you've managed 0:03:50.520 --> 0:03:53.480 to h to do with yourself and transform your life. 0:03:53.480 --> 0:03:54.560 I think it'd be I think it. 0:03:54.600 --> 0:03:56.200 I find it very interesting to find out how you're 0:03:56.240 --> 0:03:59.080 finding these first couple of years of father, because it 0:03:59.120 --> 0:04:01.480 is it changes your whole life and your life you. 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:05.560 I think it's like what I was looking for in 0:04:05.600 --> 0:04:08.880 the first place. When I think about how much time 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:12.840 and dedication I put into heroin addiction, craft addiction, various 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:16.320 forms of behavioral addiction, it turns out, really all I 0:04:16.400 --> 0:04:19.960 needed to calm myself down after going to ground myself 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:24.640 after adulation is like human feces all over the floor, 0:04:24.760 --> 0:04:27.880 and people who completely gives interested in me. 0:04:30.360 --> 0:04:33.400 Is that the thirteenth step in the twelve step to 0:04:33.480 --> 0:04:36.360 recovery is human feces and children. 0:04:38.040 --> 0:04:42.000 Yeah, that's right, massing earth like the soil of humanity. 0:04:44.520 --> 0:04:46.760 And so how do you find doing shows in Australia? 0:04:46.800 --> 0:04:47.880 Do you like coming here? 0:04:49.480 --> 0:04:52.320 When I've previously been a Christian, I've always really, really 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:54.560 loved it. It's a sort of perfect blend of the 0:04:54.600 --> 0:04:58.799 anglophonic countries. I think like it's sort of like working 0:04:58.880 --> 0:05:03.080 class English culture, but the whole country is working class culture, 0:05:03.480 --> 0:05:07.880 like Essex. It's like Australia is Essex as a continent, 0:05:08.080 --> 0:05:13.440 like sort of blue collar kind of casualness. People telling 0:05:13.480 --> 0:05:15.880 each other they're out of order, call each other mate 0:05:15.920 --> 0:05:20.400 in parliament and on the two slamming us down and belching, 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:25.800 but there's a constant ongoing barbecue, sort like Yeah, I 0:05:25.800 --> 0:05:30.240 didn't want so the consequence of no class system, no class, 0:05:30.600 --> 0:05:34.760 but I woke. I love Australia. I think it's a 0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:36.800 mental place. I feel like I could give here. You 0:05:36.880 --> 0:05:40.000 obviously do, because you don't you Yeah. 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:41.480 And so much what he say is true. They are 0:05:41.839 --> 0:05:44.800 Australians are very fair people. They're very direct, very very 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:47.159 hard working as well. And if you saw the response 0:05:47.200 --> 0:05:49.120 over the last couple of months, to the horror that 0:05:49.240 --> 0:05:50.280 came out of the bushfires. 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:51.599 The one lovely thing was how. 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:56.040 People were trying to help each other out and no 0:05:56.200 --> 0:05:59.240 small thing was too small, which was really really nice 0:05:59.240 --> 0:06:00.000 to see and be part of. 0:06:02.240 --> 0:06:08.599 Yeah, I suppose it's because your country is remote. It's 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:12.279 been difficult to conceive of and almost bearable to look 0:06:12.320 --> 0:06:18.960 at some of the ecological horror unfolding. But I suppose 0:06:20.960 --> 0:06:24.400 a silver lining for that is the revelation of humanity, 0:06:24.480 --> 0:06:28.840 and that off sited idea that during the Blitz people 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:32.440 felt more connected. I suppose a consequence of living in 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:36.279 a culture stripped of the sacred, where we're continually directed 0:06:36.320 --> 0:06:39.880 to rolls as consumers instead of active citizens, as we 0:06:40.600 --> 0:06:44.920 lose purpose, and sometimes a terrible crisis such as this one, 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:48.160 such as this country is just endured. It doesn't live 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:51.279 to remind us that we are all here together with 0:06:51.400 --> 0:06:53.480 the common purpose and a common path. 0:06:54.640 --> 0:06:57.360 Yeah, I think it got people to put down their aloneness. Sometimes, 0:06:57.400 --> 0:06:59.960 you know, we're so private in our worlds our phone 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:04.919 to that little bubble and appears, then, you. 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:08.360 Know, I suppose that's sometimes what it takes is difficult, 0:07:08.520 --> 0:07:11.200 was to conceptualized crisis on the global of it that 0:07:11.200 --> 0:07:15.520 we're continually told that we're on the brink of ecological breakdown, 0:07:15.720 --> 0:07:18.560 if you know, we've got a generation to change the 0:07:18.560 --> 0:07:20.960 world at least that sort of you know, it tends 0:07:20.960 --> 0:07:23.160 to be that that's the sort of left wing liberal argument. 0:07:23.200 --> 0:07:27.160 The right wing argum intends to be that ecological crisis 0:07:27.480 --> 0:07:33.640 are periodic and all that kind of thing. But for me, really, 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:38.200 I feel personally happier when I'm connected to some kind 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:41.760 of purpose, when I feel that I'm a participant in 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:46.720 this sort of triabilized society rather than just an annexed 0:07:46.760 --> 0:07:51.120 and atomized individual just rolling through this. And that's one 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:54.559 willing to pack seven or eight suitcases for a three 0:07:54.600 --> 0:08:00.320 week work trip into rather demanding individuals with me sense 0:08:00.360 --> 0:08:03.520 of player, person meaning and per every year. 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:07.000 Yeah, that your whole thing of traveling around with group 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:15.080 piece is now completely different. Yeah, that's over, So tell 0:08:15.120 --> 0:08:17.600 me about the show. Then I read Recovery. I read 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:19.400 your book a couple of years ago, which I loved. 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:21.960 I thought it was really surprising and it was sort 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:24.080 of a big new, I think, a parts of new 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:26.280 sort of transformation and area view that you've moved into 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:28.400 very well over the last couple of years, and I'd 0:08:28.400 --> 0:08:29.760 love to know that, how does that, how's it going 0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:30.280 to work live? 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:31.200 What can people expect? 0:08:31.240 --> 0:08:34.040 Because I know you've been out here before, and thousands 0:08:34.040 --> 0:08:36.079 of people all over Australia love coming to see you live. 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:37.000 Tell us about this show. 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:42.079 Actually was an experience that I had in Australia that 0:08:42.280 --> 0:08:45.120 changed my approach to spound up comedy. I was doing 0:08:45.120 --> 0:08:49.600 a gig in Brisbane, somewhere in some vast and sprawling arena, 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:52.160 and at the beginning of the show there were lots 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:55.640 of hippie type people I guess from by them all 0:08:55.679 --> 0:09:00.480 bringing me like crystals and stuff. And now for any attainer, 0:09:00.559 --> 0:09:04.559 it's a sad day when the underwear turns to crystals 0:09:04.600 --> 0:09:09.880 and dream catches no longer people crossing undergarments, but presentingly 0:09:09.920 --> 0:09:14.840 with copies of the work for Chrishnamurti the grant. But 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:19.360 I realized people don't just walk straight entertainment from me anymore. 0:09:19.400 --> 0:09:24.559 I've always sort of spoken like tangently about politics and spirituality. Well, 0:09:24.559 --> 0:09:28.040 this show is just leads fully embracing it. It's still funny, 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:32.320 it's still spontaneous. But I explain how the technique I 0:09:32.520 --> 0:09:35.640 was taught to recover from addiction. The twelve step program 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:40.000 can be applied to any form of attachment, any form 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:43.080 of dissatisfaction. One of the things that's viewtiful for about 0:09:43.120 --> 0:09:45.880 twelve step recovery is it assumes that we are capable 0:09:45.880 --> 0:09:48.960 of being happy and content, but only if we allder 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:52.600 our relationship with pleasure and recognize that purpose is more 0:09:52.640 --> 0:09:55.720 important than pleasure. So I talk through this system, I 0:09:55.880 --> 0:09:59.680 demonstrate how it works, I answer audience questions, and I 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:03.160 it might So it's like me moving into personal development 0:10:03.200 --> 0:10:07.079 and spirituality while continually acknowledging that I'm more mentally ill 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:10.040 than the people that I'm trying to explain it to. 0:10:10.160 --> 0:10:12.920 So it's not sort of didactic as it were Christian. 0:10:12.960 --> 0:10:15.720 I'm not saying, oh, like I talk about in the show. 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:19.040 I'm not like e Car's Hoole or Tony Robbins or 0:10:19.080 --> 0:10:21.560 Deepak Chopra or Brene Brown or all of the people 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:23.439 that I've been hanging around with and spending time with 0:10:23.559 --> 0:10:26.920 a learning form because I'm still crazy every single day 0:10:26.920 --> 0:10:29.480 from it. Every day I'll do something that makes me think, 0:10:29.520 --> 0:10:31.840 my God, if you don't belong in this world. But 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:36.120 there's a commonly understood idea about addiction, that it is 0:10:36.160 --> 0:10:39.439 an attempt to achieve connection. That people that get overly 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:41.840 dependent on alcohol drugs are people that simply do are 0:10:41.840 --> 0:10:44.040 people that simply can't bear to live in the world. 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:47.360 As I've said before, strip of the Sacred now, like 0:10:47.520 --> 0:10:51.160 chemical dependency is an exaggerated and obvious example of a 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:54.360 condition that I think is ubiquitous. I think we're all 0:10:54.360 --> 0:10:58.439 on the spectrum of addiction because attachment in any form 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:01.320 is a kind of addiction. All of us are trying 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:04.240 to make ourselves feel better by controlling that other people 0:11:04.240 --> 0:11:07.000 think about us, earning their money, trying to become successful, 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:08.920 trying to get someone to fall in love with us. 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:11.040 If I just had a better boyfriend or girlfriend, or 0:11:11.080 --> 0:11:13.679 a better phone, another better phone, another better phone, then 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:16.560 I would be fulfilled and happy. Or the prospect system 0:11:16.679 --> 0:11:20.640 essentially is it tall for awakening you from the belief 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:23.840 that the outside world can ever fulfill you unless you 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:28.520 have some kind of deep inner connection. And it's available 0:11:28.600 --> 0:11:31.680 for anybody. I think that you know for me, it's ambition. 0:11:31.880 --> 0:11:35.760 Now it's a purpose to tell as many people as 0:11:35.800 --> 0:11:38.120 possible about this, because I think it's a system for 0:11:38.160 --> 0:11:42.319 awakening that's trans denomination or for anyone if you believe 0:11:42.320 --> 0:11:43.640 in God, or you don't believe in God, if you're 0:11:43.840 --> 0:11:47.200 living in Christian, Joatheist, agnostic, whatever it is you're into 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:51.320 that we're all looking for something. And if we don't 0:11:51.360 --> 0:11:55.040 have a clear idea of what is holy and what 0:11:55.160 --> 0:11:59.120 is worthy of worship, we will apply holiness and worship 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:03.640 to anything. We start worshiping nation, we start worshiping consumerism, 0:12:03.880 --> 0:12:07.560 start worshiping sport or sex, or drugs or food. It's 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:11.440 just an innate tendency part of our inner teleology, this yearning, 0:12:11.840 --> 0:12:15.160 this craving for connection and wholeness. And because living a 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:19.720 really continually appointed as consumers instead of, as I said before, 0:12:19.800 --> 0:12:25.440 citizens or awakened participants in community, I feel that many, many, 0:12:25.520 --> 0:12:29.920 many of ours lost. This was something I realized in Australia. 0:12:30.200 --> 0:12:31.880 You know, we turn back after that. For I'm not 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:33.360 going to do another show where I just come out 0:12:33.400 --> 0:12:36.040 and to do jokes and talk about embarrassing things that 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:38.360 have happened, although that is part of what I always do, 0:12:38.440 --> 0:12:41.439 because you know, it seems that open my mouth embarrassing 0:12:41.440 --> 0:12:43.199 things that have happened to me because they're the only 0:12:43.280 --> 0:12:45.440 kind of things that really do happen to me, but 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:48.720 that this time there is a clear intent to convey 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:53.200 a deliberate and effective message, a set of tools that 0:12:53.240 --> 0:12:53.720 can work. 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:57.600 Yeah, that's Russell, you said so much. There. 0:12:57.559 --> 0:12:59.280 There are a couple of things, You're right, the spectrum 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:01.840 of addiction that most of us are at some point on. 0:13:01.920 --> 0:13:04.600 You know, there is a gravitational pull, isn't there, Because 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:07.120 most of us, if we're on it's an exciting time 0:13:07.160 --> 0:13:08.880 to be alive, but there's a lot of distractions from 0:13:08.880 --> 0:13:11.800 actually spending time with ourselves, and those feelings are part 0:13:11.840 --> 0:13:13.240 of ourselves that we don't actually like. 0:13:14.960 --> 0:13:18.440 Yeah, that's right, mate, That's why I feel because in 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:22.679 a sense, people need to be continually kept, be satisfied, 0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:26.959 bombarded with fear and desire, fear in the form of 0:13:27.080 --> 0:13:30.680 news media, desire in the form of marketing, in order 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:35.280 to keep us consuming. Like me, now, I'm different because 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:39.000 I've had to work this stuff to get over the 0:13:39.080 --> 0:13:42.400 drug addiction and the behavior and addictions around food and sex. 0:13:43.640 --> 0:13:46.920 I've changed and now I'm still edgy. I'm a pretty 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:49.360 sick person and I'm a person left command devices are 0:13:49.559 --> 0:13:52.040 by a drug overdose. But and so the fact that 0:13:52.080 --> 0:13:54.520 I'm sort of still alive, and my biggest problems now 0:13:54.520 --> 0:13:57.520 are sometimes I'm a bit irritable or sometimes I'm a 0:13:57.520 --> 0:14:01.280 bit impatient. It's been dialed right down, and now I 0:14:01.280 --> 0:14:03.920 don't read so much. Now I recognize, you know, I 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:07.880 had a humility, humility being. I recognized my own relative 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:10.719 insignificance in the world. I recognized pain and money into 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:13.160 Chris and never do anything for me, really in the 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:15.760 same way that drink and drugs could never do anything 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:18.280 for me. I'm not saying those things aren't pleasurable. Of course, 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:22.160 orgadams are preasurable. Of Course, the chemical rush of cocaine 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:23.120 is pleasurable. 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:25.000 I think, do you know what the timing is? If 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:26.400 you look at the people that you name check, like 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:29.040 Brene Brown, I was listening to a podcast with her yesterday, 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:31.600 and you know, Byron Katie you've done work with and 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:34.720 Tony Robbins. Don't you think that there is an appetite 0:14:34.800 --> 0:14:38.000 right now? Hopefully there is that people realize that actually 0:14:38.480 --> 0:14:40.840 the system isn't working for them, like they've seen through 0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:43.080 the matrix and they've found it wanting. They might not 0:14:43.160 --> 0:14:45.600 know what it is, but I just I think there 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:47.880 is something around that more of these people. Tony Robins 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:49.760 has been around for years, since I was a teenager 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:53.240 when I first read his book Awakened the Giant with him, 0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:56.400 But he's becoming bigger because more and more people are 0:14:56.440 --> 0:14:58.480 searching for meaning and purpose in their. 0:14:58.360 --> 0:14:59.160 Lives, aren't they. 0:15:00.880 --> 0:15:04.000 Yeah. And also it's just natural that, you know, we 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:07.880 were Capitalism in its current form is only surviving because 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:10.680 after the two thousand and eight crash in like I 0:15:10.680 --> 0:15:13.080 don't know how being in Australia, but in Britain and America, 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:16.040 there was a decision was made to prop up those 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:20.240 systems using state money. So capitalism is already over. We're 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:23.040 living in the zombie pansm of it. And that means 0:15:23.040 --> 0:15:26.040 that people on a personal level are experiencing the failure 0:15:26.120 --> 0:15:31.479 and lack of not lack of growth, but the inability 0:15:31.600 --> 0:15:35.200 of capitalism to fulfill you ultimately. And I suppose the 0:15:35.240 --> 0:15:38.280 system that capitalism can sort of a place the kind 0:15:38.280 --> 0:15:41.120 of more conventional religious ideologies where we felt like, you know, 0:15:41.160 --> 0:15:43.600 we were going to work in order to police God 0:15:43.640 --> 0:15:45.760 and we were a member of the parish and community. 0:15:45.800 --> 0:15:48.440 And those ideas have died out now, so we don't 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:51.440 live by religious ideas. We can't live by economic ideas. 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:54.320 Our culture is starting to feel so sort of cannibalistic 0:15:54.360 --> 0:15:58.600 and empty in so many areas. But there needs to 0:15:58.600 --> 0:16:00.920 be a like I suppose what we're having in reemergence 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:04.080 of spirituality, but you know all those figures, you just 0:16:04.160 --> 0:16:07.360 know Tony Robbins, Burnet Brown, et cetera. They're all talking 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:12.320 about spirituality up and down, the sort of across the spectrum, 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:14.480 like Tony Robbins, like, well, what I used to listen 0:16:14.520 --> 0:16:16.440 to him as well, like years ago, and it was 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:19.200 much more focused on personal success then, you know, And 0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:23.760 a lot of personal development and wellbeing is meditate, become mindful, 0:16:23.880 --> 0:16:26.240 wake yourself up so that you can be a better accountant, 0:16:26.320 --> 0:16:28.320 or a better lawyer, or a better TV present or 0:16:28.360 --> 0:16:31.560 whatever it is you're into. But really the point of 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:34.600 spirituality is to recognize that all of those things are secondary. 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:36.240 But even if we're going to have jobs and have 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:39.760 economic roles, those things can't be primary. We already know 0:16:39.880 --> 0:16:42.640 that there isn't No one would say that their job 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:44.760 is more important than their children or the people that 0:16:44.800 --> 0:16:47.320 they love. Really, but we active if the bloody is. 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:49.320 We all act as if it is because we're all 0:16:49.400 --> 0:16:53.200 operating within the confine of the system that's kind of dying. 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:57.000 So for me, I feel like I want to promote 0:16:57.040 --> 0:16:59.520 these ideas and principles because I feel like if enough 0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:02.720 people are aware of them, and enough people are talking 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:06.520 about them, it could bring about and facilitate change. It's 0:17:06.600 --> 0:17:10.560 difficult for us to conceptualize when it's sort of a 0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:14.280 minority interest, because what part of what the show is 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:16.919 about Christian is like that I have an individual have 0:17:17.680 --> 0:17:20.680 some abilities that they're limited, and you, with an individual, 0:17:20.720 --> 0:17:24.080 have some ability that they're limited. But collectively and together, 0:17:24.240 --> 0:17:27.920 I think we can achieve real change if we were 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:30.959 able to change our priorities, if we were to if 0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:33.320 we were able to brush aside some of the constraints 0:17:33.320 --> 0:17:36.520 that are foisted upon us from birth that our entire 0:17:36.560 --> 0:17:40.080 perception bend towards a particular way of living. 0:17:40.760 --> 0:17:41.439 So tell me about this. 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:43.040 Then, the last couple years, I get the sense that 0:17:43.040 --> 0:17:46.400 there has been a real sort of change in your 0:17:46.480 --> 0:17:49.239 direction and purpose moving from you know, you would look 0:17:49.320 --> 0:17:51.040 like you were destined and you already were a big 0:17:51.040 --> 0:17:53.600 Hollywood start. You were doing movies, and you had all 0:17:53.640 --> 0:17:55.560 the fame, all the trappings, good and bad that come 0:17:55.600 --> 0:17:57.919 with that was Now it feels like you've made a 0:17:57.960 --> 0:18:00.520 proper decision to move away from that and you are 0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:03.320 on a new purpose and a new mission. Has it 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:05.320 been that deliberate or is it a gradual thing? 0:18:07.880 --> 0:18:11.760 Some of it was like the realization that that way 0:18:11.800 --> 0:18:14.640 of life wasn't working for me, And some of it 0:18:14.720 --> 0:18:17.080 was the sort of feeling like I was failing, like 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:22.080 films weren't doing good enough, you know, And I felt like, 0:18:22.520 --> 0:18:24.199 how am I going to respond to this? How am 0:18:24.240 --> 0:18:26.639 I going to respond to this feeling of inadequacy and 0:18:26.720 --> 0:18:31.080 inferiority by doubling down, by trying again. And look, I 0:18:31.119 --> 0:18:33.639 still working in entertainment. I've done a couple of films 0:18:33.640 --> 0:18:36.720 in the last year that are coming out, you know, 0:18:36.760 --> 0:18:39.679 I'm writing a TV show. I'm doing these things, but 0:18:39.720 --> 0:18:42.560 I'm doing it from a very different perspective now. And 0:18:43.480 --> 0:18:45.479 when I'm doing this kind of work, work where I'm 0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:48.760 talking about spirituality and awakening, hopefully from a humorous perspective 0:18:48.760 --> 0:18:50.119 that there maybe there't have been enough of that in 0:18:50.119 --> 0:18:55.080 this conversation, I'll grant you, I feel more connected and 0:18:55.160 --> 0:18:57.720 more alive. So what's what happened to me? Is I 0:18:57.800 --> 0:19:00.240 just continue the same way as I recognized that drugsn't 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:04.040 working or that sex wasn't working, I now recognize nothing 0:19:04.040 --> 0:19:06.600 will work. The only thing will work is a sense 0:19:06.600 --> 0:19:09.159 of inner peace and connection and a chief for spiritual 0:19:09.200 --> 0:19:12.560 techniques and then being kind and useful to other people. 0:19:12.600 --> 0:19:16.199 And even though it's an obvious thing, it's difficult to 0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:16.640 live by. 0:19:17.640 --> 0:19:20.000 Yeah, how does that look like day day to day? 0:19:20.000 --> 0:19:21.840 For you do get up and you meditate first thing 0:19:21.840 --> 0:19:23.240 in the morning, what's a normal day? 0:19:25.000 --> 0:19:28.119 Get up? Like? Like, so get up and first of all, 0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:30.920 like someone's feeling nervous, and oh god, I don't feel 0:19:30.960 --> 0:19:33.600 good enough. I WA's the point is too odd? Like 0:19:33.640 --> 0:19:36.679 I wake up feeling angry and weird most days. And 0:19:36.720 --> 0:19:39.359 then like a second voice now reminds me, don't wy 0:19:39.400 --> 0:19:41.080 of us always. Okay, we're just going to go like 0:19:41.160 --> 0:19:43.840 you've become my own parent, as it were. We're just 0:19:43.840 --> 0:19:46.000 going to meditate now. So then I go off and 0:19:46.280 --> 0:19:48.639 if I meditate that today I've meditated, and Dane, you 0:19:48.800 --> 0:19:51.480 got and then this move, this new breath move off 0:19:51.480 --> 0:19:53.920 a teacher that I went to yoga class in Los 0:19:53.920 --> 0:19:58.240 Angeles or wherever I was yesterday, and it's amazing like 0:19:58.359 --> 0:20:02.080 this breath technique to just you'd like sharp inhalations in 0:20:02.119 --> 0:20:04.959 the lower abdomen and then you sort of sit up, 0:20:05.160 --> 0:20:08.480 excuse me, on your knees and inhale and hold your breath. 0:20:08.480 --> 0:20:12.520 And it like from a from a from a materialist perspective, 0:20:12.520 --> 0:20:15.439 people go, if you're just nearly passing out? Is what 0:20:15.440 --> 0:20:17.879 you're doing? But you know what it feels like to 0:20:17.960 --> 0:20:22.080 me is like I like there's a second consciousness continually 0:20:22.160 --> 0:20:25.000 running the same way as your narrativizing mind. It's always 0:20:25.000 --> 0:20:27.440 telling me I'm not good enough. Man, I'm not good enough. Father, 0:20:27.480 --> 0:20:29.200 I should have done this, I shouldn't have done that. 0:20:29.560 --> 0:20:32.000 If you win, that cuts if you if you through 0:20:32.080 --> 0:20:35.320 breath techniques, access another aspect of your consciousness. There's a 0:20:35.400 --> 0:20:40.480 second mind continually working, continually running, a second consciousness that 0:20:40.520 --> 0:20:42.879 I believe you've all got access to. I got tuned 0:20:42.880 --> 0:20:45.800 into that this very morning while doing yoga, I meditated, 0:20:46.240 --> 0:20:48.960 I prayed. I have a sort of little routine for prayer. 0:20:49.760 --> 0:20:52.479 Then I was an asshole to my wife, like, well 0:20:52.600 --> 0:20:53.000 we need to. 0:20:55.840 --> 0:20:59.359 And is that all part of the that a breath teacher? 0:20:59.400 --> 0:20:59.960 What's the teacher? 0:21:00.160 --> 0:21:01.520 So this is a breathing tonally, and then what you 0:21:01.520 --> 0:21:03.040 need to do is just complement that with being an 0:21:03.080 --> 0:21:03.640 asshole to. 0:21:03.600 --> 0:21:07.080 Your wife might get out there and get. 0:21:06.880 --> 0:21:07.280 Out there. 0:21:09.880 --> 0:21:11.840