1 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: Qust John O'Connell Breakfast Show podcast. 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 2: We've got a chat now with Russell Brand, an amazing 3 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 2: live performer. Russell and he's here in Australia's gonna be 4 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 2: Melbourne next Friday and Saturday night is playing Hamer And 5 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:20,600 Speaker 2: although this show is a slightly different one, it's about 6 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 2: his book Recovery, which came out a couple of years ago. 7 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 2: Russell done very well. Well from someone who was a 8 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 2: chronic heroin addict to have the career in life he's 9 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 2: had the last couple of years and longer is amazing. 10 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:34,520 Speaker 2: He's got something to share, something to say. But please 11 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:36,239 Speaker 2: don't be mistaken. I think this will just be a 12 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 2: dry talk from someone talking at you. Russell when you 13 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:43,480 Speaker 2: see him live is the very definition of a live performer. 14 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:46,279 Speaker 2: There's something, there's a real magic that happens when he 15 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:48,520 Speaker 2: gets onto a live stage. If you've not seen him before, 16 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 2: I guarantee you have a good note. Anyway, here's our 17 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 2: chat with Russell Brand. 18 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: I'm good. 19 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 2: I'm good now before we talk about the show and 20 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 2: why you've come to Australia on that, first of all, 21 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 2: we've been so messages over the last couple of days 22 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 2: So have I got this right? Have you come on 23 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 2: tour to Australia with your entire family? 24 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm looking at them right now. I'm looking at 25 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 3: my two daughters, the older one of which refuses to 26 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:18,680 Speaker 3: adjust to the temperature of this country. She's dressed in 27 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 3: multiple layers. She's whirling about this mental here with staying 28 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 3: in Byron Bay in like sort of tropical conditions. Incredible. 29 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: And how old are your kids? 30 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 3: I've got a three year old and a two year old. 31 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 2: Now, now as a father with thoughts myself, you've made 32 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:38,839 Speaker 2: it very hard to go on tour, do what you're doing, 33 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 2: and bring a young family because the amount of gear 34 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 2: you have to take with kids that like all their 35 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 2: backup equipment, it's like traveling in an army unit. 36 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 3: This really is really very cumbersome. The more addictive earliest 37 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 3: children more, I realized that the entire difference and dul mistake. 38 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: So you're already regretting your decision to bring. 39 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 3: Them onto, to have children, to have children at all, 40 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:13,279 Speaker 3: to continue to populate the planets with more organ bags, 41 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 3: just snatch away at oxygen and fill up suitcases. 42 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 2: That's lovely for them to hear their dad talking like 43 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:20,799 Speaker 2: this to the media as well. 44 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: It's a nice bonding experience. 45 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:27,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I forget sometimes that these conversations are being 46 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 3: broadcast now. I mean, do you know what I think 47 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 3: as an Englishman will understand this, that the cynicism skepticism 48 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:40,239 Speaker 3: is kind of directly proportional to the kind of overwhelming 49 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 3: sentimentality you feel if you actually spoke normally about it. 50 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 3: And as an english person that is not acceptable. 51 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 2: Because at first you must have found this. Last couple 52 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 2: of years, it's almost the love you feel. It's almost 53 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:56,079 Speaker 2: too much to bear. I didn't know you could get 54 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 2: so much pleasure from just watching a little person's sleep. 55 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't stand it. And you see in one 56 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 3: of our messages, So that conversation went on quite a 57 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 3: long while. How it's changed. The voice notes examining the 58 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 3: the new shi of the Deonte Wilder Tyson Fury fight. 59 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 3: You sit there like you talked about their hands and 60 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,079 Speaker 3: and oh man, you know, I like, I'm a sort 61 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 3: of emotionally open person. So really I live sort of 62 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 3: suspended in bliss and all. And the reason that they're 63 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 3: with me is because there is nothing in my life 64 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 3: that's worth spending time away from them for Oh, that's 65 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 3: that's the actual truth of it. I mean to listen 66 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 3: out on the radio, that kind of mawkish sentimentality better 67 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 3: and I'm being dismissive about their entire lives. One of 68 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 3: them studdling over at me right now. 69 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 2: No, I'm I think they are genuinely interested in how 70 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 2: you're finding Father, because you know so much of your 71 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 2: life story, which is incredible, what you've what you've done, 72 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 2: and what you've managed to achieve, and what you've managed 73 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 2: to h to do with yourself and transform your life. 74 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: I think it'd be I think it. 75 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 2: I find it very interesting to find out how you're 76 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 2: finding these first couple of years of father, because it 77 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 2: is it changes your whole life and your life you. 78 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 3: I think it's like what I was looking for in 79 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 3: the first place. When I think about how much time 80 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 3: and dedication I put into heroin addiction, craft addiction, various 81 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 3: forms of behavioral addiction, it turns out, really all I 82 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 3: needed to calm myself down after going to ground myself 83 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 3: after adulation is like human feces all over the floor, 84 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 3: and people who completely gives interested in me. 85 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 2: Is that the thirteenth step in the twelve step to 86 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 2: recovery is human feces and children. 87 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, massing earth like the soil of humanity. 88 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 2: And so how do you find doing shows in Australia? 89 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 2: Do you like coming here? 90 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 3: When I've previously been a Christian, I've always really, really 91 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 3: loved it. It's a sort of perfect blend of the 92 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:58,799 Speaker 3: anglophonic countries. I think like it's sort of like working 93 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 3: class English culture, but the whole country is working class culture, 94 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 3: like Essex. It's like Australia is Essex as a continent, 95 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 3: like sort of blue collar kind of casualness. People telling 96 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 3: each other they're out of order, call each other mate 97 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 3: in parliament and on the two slamming us down and belching, 98 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 3: but there's a constant ongoing barbecue, sort like Yeah, I 99 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 3: didn't want so the consequence of no class system, no class, 100 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 3: but I woke. I love Australia. I think it's a 101 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 3: mental place. I feel like I could give here. You 102 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 3: obviously do, because you don't you Yeah. 103 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 2: And so much what he say is true. They are 104 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 2: Australians are very fair people. They're very direct, very very 105 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:47,159 Speaker 2: hard working as well. And if you saw the response 106 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 2: over the last couple of months, to the horror that 107 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:50,280 Speaker 2: came out of the bushfires. 108 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 1: The one lovely thing was how. 109 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 2: People were trying to help each other out and no 110 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 2: small thing was too small, which was really really nice 111 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 2: to see and be part of. 112 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:08,599 Speaker 3: Yeah, I suppose it's because your country is remote. It's 113 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 3: been difficult to conceive of and almost bearable to look 114 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 3: at some of the ecological horror unfolding. But I suppose 115 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 3: a silver lining for that is the revelation of humanity, 116 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:28,840 Speaker 3: and that off sited idea that during the Blitz people 117 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 3: felt more connected. I suppose a consequence of living in 118 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:36,279 Speaker 3: a culture stripped of the sacred, where we're continually directed 119 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 3: to rolls as consumers instead of active citizens, as we 120 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 3: lose purpose, and sometimes a terrible crisis such as this one, 121 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 3: such as this country is just endured. It doesn't live 122 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 3: to remind us that we are all here together with 123 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 3: the common purpose and a common path. 124 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it got people to put down their aloneness. Sometimes, 125 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 2: you know, we're so private in our worlds our phone 126 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:04,919 Speaker 2: to that little bubble and appears, then, you. 127 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 3: Know, I suppose that's sometimes what it takes is difficult, 128 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 3: was to conceptualized crisis on the global of it that 129 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 3: we're continually told that we're on the brink of ecological breakdown, 130 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 3: if you know, we've got a generation to change the 131 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 3: world at least that sort of you know, it tends 132 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 3: to be that that's the sort of left wing liberal argument. 133 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 3: The right wing argum intends to be that ecological crisis 134 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 3: are periodic and all that kind of thing. But for me, really, 135 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 3: I feel personally happier when I'm connected to some kind 136 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 3: of purpose, when I feel that I'm a participant in 137 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 3: this sort of triabilized society rather than just an annexed 138 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 3: and atomized individual just rolling through this. And that's one 139 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:54,559 Speaker 3: willing to pack seven or eight suitcases for a three 140 00:07:54,600 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 3: week work trip into rather demanding individuals with me sense 141 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 3: of player, person meaning and per every year. 142 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, that your whole thing of traveling around with group 143 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 2: piece is now completely different. Yeah, that's over, So tell 144 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 2: me about the show. Then I read Recovery. I read 145 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 2: your book a couple of years ago, which I loved. 146 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 2: I thought it was really surprising and it was sort 147 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 2: of a big new, I think, a parts of new 148 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 2: sort of transformation and area view that you've moved into 149 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 2: very well over the last couple of years, and I'd 150 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 2: love to know that, how does that, how's it going 151 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 2: to work live? 152 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 1: What can people expect? 153 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 2: Because I know you've been out here before, and thousands 154 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:36,079 Speaker 2: of people all over Australia love coming to see you live. 155 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: Tell us about this show. 156 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:42,079 Speaker 3: Actually was an experience that I had in Australia that 157 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 3: changed my approach to spound up comedy. I was doing 158 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 3: a gig in Brisbane, somewhere in some vast and sprawling arena, 159 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 3: and at the beginning of the show there were lots 160 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 3: of hippie type people I guess from by them all 161 00:08:55,679 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 3: bringing me like crystals and stuff. And now for any attainer, 162 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:04,559 Speaker 3: it's a sad day when the underwear turns to crystals 163 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 3: and dream catches no longer people crossing undergarments, but presentingly 164 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 3: with copies of the work for Chrishnamurti the grant. But 165 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 3: I realized people don't just walk straight entertainment from me anymore. 166 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:24,559 Speaker 3: I've always sort of spoken like tangently about politics and spirituality. Well, 167 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 3: this show is just leads fully embracing it. It's still funny, 168 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 3: it's still spontaneous. But I explain how the technique I 169 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 3: was taught to recover from addiction. The twelve step program 170 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 3: can be applied to any form of attachment, any form 171 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 3: of dissatisfaction. One of the things that's viewtiful for about 172 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 3: twelve step recovery is it assumes that we are capable 173 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 3: of being happy and content, but only if we allder 174 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 3: our relationship with pleasure and recognize that purpose is more 175 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 3: important than pleasure. So I talk through this system, I 176 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 3: demonstrate how it works, I answer audience questions, and I 177 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 3: it might So it's like me moving into personal development 178 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:07,079 Speaker 3: and spirituality while continually acknowledging that I'm more mentally ill 179 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 3: than the people that I'm trying to explain it to. 180 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 3: So it's not sort of didactic as it were Christian. 181 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 3: I'm not saying, oh, like I talk about in the show. 182 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 3: I'm not like e Car's Hoole or Tony Robbins or 183 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 3: Deepak Chopra or Brene Brown or all of the people 184 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:23,439 Speaker 3: that I've been hanging around with and spending time with 185 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 3: a learning form because I'm still crazy every single day 186 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 3: from it. Every day I'll do something that makes me think, 187 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 3: my God, if you don't belong in this world. But 188 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 3: there's a commonly understood idea about addiction, that it is 189 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:39,439 Speaker 3: an attempt to achieve connection. That people that get overly 190 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 3: dependent on alcohol drugs are people that simply do are 191 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 3: people that simply can't bear to live in the world. 192 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 3: As I've said before, strip of the Sacred now, like 193 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 3: chemical dependency is an exaggerated and obvious example of a 194 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 3: condition that I think is ubiquitous. I think we're all 195 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:58,439 Speaker 3: on the spectrum of addiction because attachment in any form 196 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 3: is a kind of addiction. All of us are trying 197 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 3: to make ourselves feel better by controlling that other people 198 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 3: think about us, earning their money, trying to become successful, 199 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 3: trying to get someone to fall in love with us. 200 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 3: If I just had a better boyfriend or girlfriend, or 201 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 3: a better phone, another better phone, another better phone, then 202 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 3: I would be fulfilled and happy. Or the prospect system 203 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 3: essentially is it tall for awakening you from the belief 204 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 3: that the outside world can ever fulfill you unless you 205 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 3: have some kind of deep inner connection. And it's available 206 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 3: for anybody. I think that you know for me, it's ambition. 207 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 3: Now it's a purpose to tell as many people as 208 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 3: possible about this, because I think it's a system for 209 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:42,319 Speaker 3: awakening that's trans denomination or for anyone if you believe 210 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 3: in God, or you don't believe in God, if you're 211 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 3: living in Christian, Joatheist, agnostic, whatever it is you're into 212 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 3: that we're all looking for something. And if we don't 213 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 3: have a clear idea of what is holy and what 214 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 3: is worthy of worship, we will apply holiness and worship 215 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 3: to anything. We start worshiping nation, we start worshiping consumerism, 216 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 3: start worshiping sport or sex, or drugs or food. It's 217 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 3: just an innate tendency part of our inner teleology, this yearning, 218 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 3: this craving for connection and wholeness. And because living a 219 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 3: really continually appointed as consumers instead of, as I said before, 220 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 3: citizens or awakened participants in community, I feel that many, many, 221 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 3: many of ours lost. This was something I realized in Australia. 222 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 3: You know, we turn back after that. For I'm not 223 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 3: going to do another show where I just come out 224 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 3: and to do jokes and talk about embarrassing things that 225 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 3: have happened, although that is part of what I always do, 226 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:41,439 Speaker 3: because you know, it seems that open my mouth embarrassing 227 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:43,199 Speaker 3: things that have happened to me because they're the only 228 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 3: kind of things that really do happen to me, but 229 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 3: that this time there is a clear intent to convey 230 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 3: a deliberate and effective message, a set of tools that 231 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 3: can work. 232 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's Russell, you said so much. There. 233 00:12:57,559 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 2: There are a couple of things, You're right, the spectrum 234 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 2: of addiction that most of us are at some point on. 235 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 2: You know, there is a gravitational pull, isn't there, Because 236 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 2: most of us, if we're on it's an exciting time 237 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 2: to be alive, but there's a lot of distractions from 238 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 2: actually spending time with ourselves, and those feelings are part 239 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 2: of ourselves that we don't actually like. 240 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, mate, That's why I feel because in 241 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:22,679 Speaker 3: a sense, people need to be continually kept, be satisfied, 242 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:26,959 Speaker 3: bombarded with fear and desire, fear in the form of 243 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:30,680 Speaker 3: news media, desire in the form of marketing, in order 244 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 3: to keep us consuming. Like me, now, I'm different because 245 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 3: I've had to work this stuff to get over the 246 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 3: drug addiction and the behavior and addictions around food and sex. 247 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 3: I've changed and now I'm still edgy. I'm a pretty 248 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 3: sick person and I'm a person left command devices are 249 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 3: by a drug overdose. But and so the fact that 250 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 3: I'm sort of still alive, and my biggest problems now 251 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 3: are sometimes I'm a bit irritable or sometimes I'm a 252 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 3: bit impatient. It's been dialed right down, and now I 253 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 3: don't read so much. Now I recognize, you know, I 254 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 3: had a humility, humility being. I recognized my own relative 255 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:10,719 Speaker 3: insignificance in the world. I recognized pain and money into 256 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 3: Chris and never do anything for me, really in the 257 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 3: same way that drink and drugs could never do anything 258 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 3: for me. I'm not saying those things aren't pleasurable. Of course, 259 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 3: orgadams are preasurable. Of Course, the chemical rush of cocaine 260 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 3: is pleasurable. 261 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 2: I think, do you know what the timing is? If 262 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 2: you look at the people that you name check, like 263 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 2: Brene Brown, I was listening to a podcast with her yesterday, 264 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 2: and you know, Byron Katie you've done work with and 265 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 2: Tony Robbins. Don't you think that there is an appetite 266 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 2: right now? Hopefully there is that people realize that actually 267 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 2: the system isn't working for them, like they've seen through 268 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 2: the matrix and they've found it wanting. They might not 269 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 2: know what it is, but I just I think there 270 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 2: is something around that more of these people. Tony Robins 271 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 2: has been around for years, since I was a teenager 272 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 2: when I first read his book Awakened the Giant with him, 273 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 2: But he's becoming bigger because more and more people are 274 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 2: searching for meaning and purpose in their. 275 00:14:58,360 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: Lives, aren't they. 276 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. And also it's just natural that, you know, we 277 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 3: were Capitalism in its current form is only surviving because 278 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 3: after the two thousand and eight crash in like I 279 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 3: don't know how being in Australia, but in Britain and America, 280 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 3: there was a decision was made to prop up those 281 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 3: systems using state money. So capitalism is already over. We're 282 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 3: living in the zombie pansm of it. And that means 283 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 3: that people on a personal level are experiencing the failure 284 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:31,479 Speaker 3: and lack of not lack of growth, but the inability 285 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 3: of capitalism to fulfill you ultimately. And I suppose the 286 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 3: system that capitalism can sort of a place the kind 287 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 3: of more conventional religious ideologies where we felt like, you know, 288 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 3: we were going to work in order to police God 289 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 3: and we were a member of the parish and community. 290 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 3: And those ideas have died out now, so we don't 291 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 3: live by religious ideas. We can't live by economic ideas. 292 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 3: Our culture is starting to feel so sort of cannibalistic 293 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 3: and empty in so many areas. But there needs to 294 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 3: be a like I suppose what we're having in reemergence 295 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 3: of spirituality, but you know all those figures, you just 296 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 3: know Tony Robbins, Burnet Brown, et cetera. They're all talking 297 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 3: about spirituality up and down, the sort of across the spectrum, 298 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 3: like Tony Robbins, like, well, what I used to listen 299 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 3: to him as well, like years ago, and it was 300 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 3: much more focused on personal success then, you know, And 301 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 3: a lot of personal development and wellbeing is meditate, become mindful, 302 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 3: wake yourself up so that you can be a better accountant, 303 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 3: or a better lawyer, or a better TV present or 304 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 3: whatever it is you're into. But really the point of 305 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 3: spirituality is to recognize that all of those things are secondary. 306 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 3: But even if we're going to have jobs and have 307 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 3: economic roles, those things can't be primary. We already know 308 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 3: that there isn't No one would say that their job 309 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 3: is more important than their children or the people that 310 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 3: they love. Really, but we active if the bloody is. 311 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 3: We all act as if it is because we're all 312 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 3: operating within the confine of the system that's kind of dying. 313 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 3: So for me, I feel like I want to promote 314 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 3: these ideas and principles because I feel like if enough 315 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 3: people are aware of them, and enough people are talking 316 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 3: about them, it could bring about and facilitate change. It's 317 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 3: difficult for us to conceptualize when it's sort of a 318 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 3: minority interest, because what part of what the show is 319 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:16,919 Speaker 3: about Christian is like that I have an individual have 320 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:20,680 Speaker 3: some abilities that they're limited, and you, with an individual, 321 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 3: have some ability that they're limited. But collectively and together, 322 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 3: I think we can achieve real change if we were 323 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:30,959 Speaker 3: able to change our priorities, if we were to if 324 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 3: we were able to brush aside some of the constraints 325 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 3: that are foisted upon us from birth that our entire 326 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 3: perception bend towards a particular way of living. 327 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:41,439 Speaker 1: So tell me about this. 328 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 2: Then, the last couple years, I get the sense that 329 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:46,400 Speaker 2: there has been a real sort of change in your 330 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:49,239 Speaker 2: direction and purpose moving from you know, you would look 331 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 2: like you were destined and you already were a big 332 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 2: Hollywood start. You were doing movies, and you had all 333 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 2: the fame, all the trappings, good and bad that come 334 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:57,919 Speaker 2: with that was Now it feels like you've made a 335 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 2: proper decision to move away from that and you are 336 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 2: on a new purpose and a new mission. Has it 337 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 2: been that deliberate or is it a gradual thing? 338 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 3: Some of it was like the realization that that way 339 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:14,640 Speaker 3: of life wasn't working for me, And some of it 340 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 3: was the sort of feeling like I was failing, like 341 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 3: films weren't doing good enough, you know, And I felt like, 342 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:24,199 Speaker 3: how am I going to respond to this? How am 343 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:26,639 Speaker 3: I going to respond to this feeling of inadequacy and 344 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 3: inferiority by doubling down, by trying again. And look, I 345 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 3: still working in entertainment. I've done a couple of films 346 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 3: in the last year that are coming out, you know, 347 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:39,679 Speaker 3: I'm writing a TV show. I'm doing these things, but 348 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 3: I'm doing it from a very different perspective now. And 349 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:45,479 Speaker 3: when I'm doing this kind of work, work where I'm 350 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 3: talking about spirituality and awakening, hopefully from a humorous perspective 351 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 3: that there maybe there't have been enough of that in 352 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 3: this conversation, I'll grant you, I feel more connected and 353 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 3: more alive. So what's what happened to me? Is I 354 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 3: just continue the same way as I recognized that drugsn't 355 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 3: working or that sex wasn't working, I now recognize nothing 356 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 3: will work. The only thing will work is a sense 357 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:09,159 Speaker 3: of inner peace and connection and a chief for spiritual 358 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 3: techniques and then being kind and useful to other people. 359 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:16,199 Speaker 3: And even though it's an obvious thing, it's difficult to 360 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:16,640 Speaker 3: live by. 361 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, how does that look like day day to day? 362 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 2: For you do get up and you meditate first thing 363 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 2: in the morning, what's a normal day? 364 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:28,119 Speaker 3: Get up? Like? Like, so get up and first of all, 365 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:30,920 Speaker 3: like someone's feeling nervous, and oh god, I don't feel 366 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 3: good enough. I WA's the point is too odd? Like 367 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:36,679 Speaker 3: I wake up feeling angry and weird most days. And 368 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 3: then like a second voice now reminds me, don't wy 369 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 3: of us always. Okay, we're just going to go like 370 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 3: you've become my own parent, as it were. We're just 371 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 3: going to meditate now. So then I go off and 372 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:48,639 Speaker 3: if I meditate that today I've meditated, and Dane, you 373 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 3: got and then this move, this new breath move off 374 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:53,920 Speaker 3: a teacher that I went to yoga class in Los 375 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 3: Angeles or wherever I was yesterday, and it's amazing like 376 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 3: this breath technique to just you'd like sharp inhalations in 377 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:04,959 Speaker 3: the lower abdomen and then you sort of sit up, 378 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 3: excuse me, on your knees and inhale and hold your breath. 379 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 3: And it like from a from a from a materialist perspective, 380 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:15,439 Speaker 3: people go, if you're just nearly passing out? Is what 381 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 3: you're doing? But you know what it feels like to 382 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 3: me is like I like there's a second consciousness continually 383 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 3: running the same way as your narrativizing mind. It's always 384 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 3: telling me I'm not good enough. Man, I'm not good enough. Father, 385 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 3: I should have done this, I shouldn't have done that. 386 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 3: If you win, that cuts if you if you through 387 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 3: breath techniques, access another aspect of your consciousness. There's a 388 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 3: second mind continually working, continually running, a second consciousness that 389 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:42,879 Speaker 3: I believe you've all got access to. I got tuned 390 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 3: into that this very morning while doing yoga, I meditated, 391 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 3: I prayed. I have a sort of little routine for prayer. 392 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,479 Speaker 3: Then I was an asshole to my wife, like, well 393 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 3: we need to. 394 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 1: And is that all part of the that a breath teacher? 395 00:20:59,400 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: What's the teacher? 396 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 2: So this is a breathing tonally, and then what you 397 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 2: need to do is just complement that with being an 398 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:03,640 Speaker 2: asshole to. 399 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 3: Your wife might get out there and get. 400 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 2: Out there. 401 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: The ying and the yang. You need to balance it out. 402 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 3: Russell, Actually we've all got feet of claim. And then 403 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:17,440 Speaker 3: I realized, don't know, hold on a minute, hold on, 404 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:19,199 Speaker 3: I'm good at that. I'm always being not good at 405 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 3: getting out of my head in various ways, a proclivity, 406 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 3: a tendency against for that. What's hard for me being 407 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 3: in the world and being normal and being polite, being decent, 408 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:33,920 Speaker 3: And that's the stuff that I find out. But the truth, 409 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,160 Speaker 3: So why I do this spiritual stuff. The easier it gets, 410 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 3: the easier it gets, the sort of living in a 411 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,880 Speaker 3: world that's like to be able to discern between Look, 412 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 3: this is just the way life is. Everything's temporary, everything's finite. 413 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 3: Everyone you love is going to die. You're going to die. 414 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 3: Get used to it. But then also being able to see, 415 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 3: hold on me, we don't need to live in vanity, 416 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 3: in narcissism and self obsession. So one of the important 417 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 3: things I think about the way that I'm being taught 418 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 3: on the way I'm understanding the spiritual path for us 419 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:05,919 Speaker 3: individually to pursue, not for us to formb lambast or 420 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 3: project onto other people. Even though you know, I love 421 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,879 Speaker 3: all that, I love these angelsis and I love positive tiding, 422 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 3: I love standing on the spades chatting away. But I 423 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 3: don't ever tell other people how to live or how 424 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:18,400 Speaker 3: to be. I just say, well, these are the techniques 425 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 3: that I've used that stopped me being a serious nutcase, 426 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 3: have helped me to become sort of you know, bearable ordinary, 427 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 3: you know, and I feel like if they could work 428 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 3: for me, they can work with anybody. 429 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 2: Now when you say break it down for everybody, right, 430 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,880 Speaker 2: So imagine there's people listen to this right who would 431 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 2: like to have a better relationship with themselves alone the outside. 432 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,879 Speaker 2: Well let's just talk about the relationship with himself with themselves. 433 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:43,959 Speaker 2: But you know, a lot of this stuff takes time. 434 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 2: You know a lot of people just it's busy, Russell. 435 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:47,199 Speaker 2: They get up early in the morning, got to do 436 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 2: a job. They might not even like that much. They 437 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,639 Speaker 2: haven't got the luxury that someone like you and I 438 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 2: with a bit more time in our lives. How do 439 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:55,919 Speaker 2: you break it down for them? Because obviously the things 440 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 2: you're talking about are meaningful and brilliant and do bring 441 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,360 Speaker 2: around changes and connect us than otherness, but they take 442 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 2: a lot of time. 443 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,879 Speaker 3: I feel like the thing that's been very important to 444 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:10,640 Speaker 3: me is to recognize that there is something within us 445 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,399 Speaker 3: communicating with us, you know, Like you know when you 446 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 3: talk about that people they don't have time, they're doing 447 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 3: a job they don't like. Right, It's I feel like 448 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 3: that that's a rough ride. Obviously, I don't hang around 449 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 3: most of the people with me what I do for 450 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:29,199 Speaker 3: a living because of like I don't know, I just 451 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,160 Speaker 3: I belong to a lot of groups for drug addicts 452 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 3: and alcoholics. I hang around with people that you know 453 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 3: in all walks of life. But for all of us, 454 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,479 Speaker 3: the same spiritual technique to work in the acknowledgment if 455 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,919 Speaker 3: you'll be satisfied, if there's something in you trying to 456 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 3: be heard, trying to tell you that you're not happy 457 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 3: with your work or your relationship and you feel like, oh, well, 458 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,400 Speaker 3: I can't do anything because I need the money whatever. Well, 459 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,360 Speaker 3: I've discovered and I've seen a lot of other people 460 00:23:54,440 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 3: realize this also. But if you prioritize an authentic relationship 461 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 3: with that voice, and that's what the way techniquely useful. 462 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:06,640 Speaker 3: If they provide you with parameters and methods and skills 463 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,120 Speaker 3: and tools so that you're able to do that, then 464 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:15,239 Speaker 3: if a change of direction is required, it kind of 465 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 3: it becomes possible, you know. Like it's to say that 466 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 3: we are just talking about a lot. I'm unhappy with 467 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,639 Speaker 3: my job because I have to commute for hours and 468 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 3: I don't like the job. Like, the fact is, we 469 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 3: are free. We are free to change direction in our life. 470 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 3: You know that, people you know you say like we 471 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 3: are lucky and privileged. But I'm from a normal background. 472 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:37,439 Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean? My family aren't in 473 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 3: entertainment and show business. I'm like single mother, you know 474 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 3: likely I'm not a single mother. I'm a father with 475 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 3: a partner. I'm having a lovely time. 476 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 1: Michael actually become a single mother. 477 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,160 Speaker 3: Oh I've done is of reverse to my gender. IM sure, 478 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 3: dedication and willpower Christian up. 479 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:02,439 Speaker 4: It was barely an effort. 480 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:07,679 Speaker 3: Let me tell you, A quick pinch of a bander disappeared. 481 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 3: So there's a lot of time and trouble. 482 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 4: I should have done it. 483 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 3: Twen years ago. But like what I'm saying is from 484 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 3: a normally. 485 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 4: Normal family and normal the spiritual life does not exempt 486 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 4: or exclude anybody. I admit it ether if you're like 487 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 4: working twelve hour shifts in the factory, or you're doing 488 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:29,199 Speaker 4: nice because hauling trucks. But the fact is that what 489 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 4: is beautiful about this is I believe it will work 490 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 4: for anyone the twilight to talk about it specifically, just 491 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 4: so it doesn't sound so vague. The first step, you 492 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 4: admit that you've got a problem in your life, that 493 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 4: there's something you want to change. It can be, it 494 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 4: should be specific. Could be I want to change the 495 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 4: negative thinking. I want to change my poverty mentality, I 496 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 4: want to change my posession with food, my posession with sex, 497 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 4: watching too much porn, being in relationships that continually let 498 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 4: me down. You accept as a problem whatever it is, 499 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:57,640 Speaker 4: and you're specific about it. The second thing is you've 500 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 4: come to believe it's possible for its change for some people. 501 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 4: That's in fact that we could just discussing. 502 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 3: It's all rust all. You're famous, so you get to 503 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 3: do so. You know, for me, I'm not famous. I 504 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 3: can't check. Or you have to believe it's possible. You 505 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 3: have to believe that there's people that have been in 506 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,360 Speaker 3: your position that have changed your life. That's why it's 507 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 3: helpful to belong to communities, to find mentors, people that 508 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,160 Speaker 3: have already done what you want to do. The third 509 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 3: thing you have to do. The third step is make 510 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,400 Speaker 3: a decision to turn your will and your life over 511 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,479 Speaker 3: to the care of God. As you understand God. Now 512 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 3: you know that this could be complex or it could 513 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 3: be simple. God can just be a benevolent force that 514 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 3: is more powerful than you. It can be nature, it 515 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 3: can be a conventional God. It can be the fact 516 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 3: that within our own consciousness it seems that there are 517 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 3: realms and abilities that we aren't able to add access 518 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 3: through the cognizant mind. I mean put even more simply, 519 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 3: I'm not running my digestice system right now. I'm not 520 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:53,879 Speaker 3: telling my heart to beat all of these things that 521 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,439 Speaker 3: are automatically happening. There is a deep intelligence in nature. 522 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 3: There is a deep intelligence in chemistry and biology, and 523 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 3: we are part of it. And if we can drop 524 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 3: beneath the egoic mind, duding spiritual techniques, that intelligence can 525 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 3: flow through it in a way that it can't when 526 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 3: we're blocked off and locked off into materialistic thinking. 527 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 4: So the third, the first step, there's a problem. 528 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 3: The second step, the problem can change the third step. 529 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 3: I'm not going to be able to change this problem 530 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 3: on my own. I'm going to need help. That's hard 531 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 3: for people. It's hard for people to reach out and 532 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,200 Speaker 3: ask for help. It's half the people to embraced faith. 533 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,440 Speaker 3: The four and fIF steps become quite administrative and quite 534 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,919 Speaker 3: heavy do demonstrate and in the shows, but like that's 535 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:34,359 Speaker 3: where it gets sort of quite grown up. 536 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 1: Well listen. If people want to find out more anyway, 537 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 1: they can go online. 538 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 2: Russell does a free podcast as well, which is fantastic 539 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 2: where you talk more about this and you get some 540 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,359 Speaker 2: other guests who have got stuff to add to already 541 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,400 Speaker 2: your journey as well, which is great under the Skin 542 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 2: which I love. And if you want to go and 543 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 2: see him, you are doing a big tour here. You're 544 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 2: all over Australia and New Zealand, doing two nights in 545 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 2: Melbourne as well at Hamer Hall. You can find out 546 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 2: all of Russell's live dates at tickertech dot com dot 547 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 2: you Russell. It's always a joy talking to You're an 548 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 2: interesting fellow anyway. But this new journey I think is 549 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 2: timely and I can't wait to come and see the 550 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:10,639 Speaker 2: show live, and I'm looking forward to seeing you next 551 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 2: week in Sydneys. 552 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,200 Speaker 1: Maybe you can show me that pars and out technique. 553 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, let's definitely do that. Let's pass out alone. 554 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 4: That one. 555 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 1: We were meditating. Honestly, we were just meditating together. I 556 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: can't two guys do that this strange hotel. 557 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 2: Having the game here. 558 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 1: All right, Russell, thank you very much. The Christian O'Connell 559 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 1: Breakfast Show Podcast