WEBVTT - FULL SHOW: This Birthday Cake was shaped like a P*nis 0:00:10.379 --> 0:00:14.219 My Heart podcasts, hear more Kiss podcast playlist and listen 0:00:14.259 --> 0:00:20.539 live on the Free I Hunt app good pickup with 0:00:20.579 --> 0:00:23.018 Britt Hockley and Laura Ben Brady. 0:00:23.139 --> 0:00:25.619 Your what our windows downe? 0:00:25.859 --> 0:00:29.618 That's my worldries in the dust only books that bugle down. 0:00:30.659 --> 0:00:34.699 I don't much, but yeah I know I'll big get 0:00:34.699 --> 0:00:37.059 and what I want it don't battle where. 0:00:37.699 --> 0:00:40.699 This is the pickup, Hi, guys, It's the pick up 0:00:40.699 --> 0:00:43.659 with Britt Hockey and Laura Benn and Brittany. 0:00:44.019 --> 0:00:48.379 Yes, all my dreams hope dashaw was shadowed last night. 0:00:48.659 --> 0:00:51.939 I thought today that I could possibly. 0:00:51.579 --> 0:00:54.699 Be rolling on in a mirror ball from with the Stars. 0:00:54.819 --> 0:00:57.579 I was going to carry around in my bag. I lost. 0:00:58.019 --> 0:01:01.619 I know, Yeah, I'm sorry. How did you take the lose? 0:01:02.299 --> 0:01:02.499 Well? 0:01:02.579 --> 0:01:05.779 Part of me wants to pretend I didn't hurt it hurt? 0:01:05.979 --> 0:01:06.219 Did it? 0:01:06.339 --> 0:01:06.619 Really? 0:01:06.658 --> 0:01:09.898 Did you? Because you know what, I put so much 0:01:09.979 --> 0:01:12.898 into that I left toenails on the dance floor. 0:01:14.339 --> 0:01:15.978 I left my dignity on that dance floor. 0:01:16.018 --> 0:01:18.018 In dignity, of course, you want to win, and you 0:01:18.059 --> 0:01:20.059 get to that point and you realize you actually might 0:01:20.098 --> 0:01:22.338 be able to and you put so much blood, sweat 0:01:22.339 --> 0:01:24.219 and tears in like I think people don't know how 0:01:24.298 --> 0:01:27.339 hard you work months, seven days a week, ten hours 0:01:27.378 --> 0:01:28.859 a day, like, yeah, we're brit some. 0:01:28.818 --> 0:01:30.419 Of your training days were Dancing with the Stars was 0:01:30.419 --> 0:01:31.738 like thirteen hour training days. 0:01:31.859 --> 0:01:32.098 Yeah. 0:01:32.098 --> 0:01:35.219 Crazy, yeah, And I thought, do you know what hard 0:01:35.219 --> 0:01:38.098 work pays off? But it doesn't, So don't work hard kids, 0:01:38.179 --> 0:01:42.179 no joking. But Kyle Shilling, honestly, that was incredible. 0:01:42.339 --> 0:01:45.499 He's too good though. He's actually a professional dancer. 0:01:45.658 --> 0:01:48.219 No, but do you know what, There's been plenty of 0:01:48.219 --> 0:01:50.779 professional dancers before that, all trained because he's not professional. 0:01:50.779 --> 0:01:51.779 I mean he's a professional actor. 0:01:51.859 --> 0:01:52.618 He was in a dance school. 0:01:52.659 --> 0:01:55.139 He went to dance school. Yeah, there's a reason is brilliant. 0:01:55.179 --> 0:01:58.178 But his dance, like he started with a didjury doo. 0:01:58.179 --> 0:02:02.059 If you guys haven't seen it, it was like heart stopping. 0:02:02.139 --> 0:02:03.618 It was a really beautiful dance. 0:02:03.659 --> 0:02:04.619 It was really amazing. 0:02:04.699 --> 0:02:07.299 I did feel a little bit sad for shaw Mcalliff though, because. 0:02:07.139 --> 0:02:09.179 I honestly lost to Laura. 0:02:09.419 --> 0:02:10.899 Yeah this is true, this is true, but you didn't. 0:02:10.939 --> 0:02:12.578 Then when I got down to the final two, i'd 0:02:12.619 --> 0:02:13.859 you know, I also have a. 0:02:13.819 --> 0:02:15.339 Real soft swat for sure, And I thought it did 0:02:15.419 --> 0:02:15.819 really good. 0:02:16.419 --> 0:02:18.418 Okay, celebrity crush. 0:02:18.899 --> 0:02:21.978 You were all so great, You're amazing. Such an afterthought 0:02:22.258 --> 0:02:25.258 you were, and we're so proud of you. 0:02:25.379 --> 0:02:28.019 Next time when it's like when they next time, no, 0:02:28.059 --> 0:02:30.899 because they do, they do the All Star one, you 0:02:30.939 --> 0:02:32.099 can go back and do it again. 0:02:32.258 --> 0:02:35.659 I can't. I defeated it, defeated so much. 0:02:35.698 --> 0:02:37.739 I couldn't have put in more. So there's no point 0:02:37.739 --> 0:02:39.819 for me doing it again because I just get crushed again. 0:02:40.138 --> 0:02:44.499 That's the spirit. Well, wasn't you know? 0:02:44.619 --> 0:02:46.859 I'm just going to exit where I was. Let's exit 0:02:46.899 --> 0:02:50.739 at a final and yeah, whatever, Laura. I know I 0:02:50.899 --> 0:02:54.219 just got married. But I sort of low key went 0:02:54.258 --> 0:02:56.418 on a kind of blind date on the weekend. 0:02:56.499 --> 0:02:58.299 And it's not I don't want to say date. I 0:02:58.339 --> 0:03:00.539 went on a blind friends sporting date. I don't know 0:03:00.538 --> 0:03:01.179 what to call it. 0:03:01.258 --> 0:03:04.939 Yet you seem confused because I didn't. 0:03:04.659 --> 0:03:05.659 Really know this is a thing. 0:03:05.819 --> 0:03:07.299 But I feel like it's a bit of a PSA 0:03:07.739 --> 0:03:09.339 for people out there wanting to meet. 0:03:09.179 --> 0:03:11.219 New people, but like as friends. 0:03:11.739 --> 0:03:14.339 So I was up on the Gold Coast and I 0:03:14.379 --> 0:03:17.698 have this new obsession with playing paddle, like the paddle tennis. 0:03:17.739 --> 0:03:18.619 If you guys don't know. 0:03:18.579 --> 0:03:21.099 It's like that little mini tennis kind of thing that 0:03:21.099 --> 0:03:22.379 you play in a glass box. 0:03:22.499 --> 0:03:24.858 Is it the same as a few people know there's 0:03:24.859 --> 0:03:28.459 pickleball that paddle tennis. Sorry, everyone's been trying to get 0:03:28.459 --> 0:03:30.419 me to play pickleball, and I'm like, I'm too pregnant 0:03:30.418 --> 0:03:30.899 for pickleball. 0:03:31.019 --> 0:03:35.019 This, so my sister started Sherry's started playing paddle at 0:03:35.019 --> 0:03:37.618 seven months pregnant, and she loved it because it's it's 0:03:37.659 --> 0:03:40.219 not as like excessive as tennis. 0:03:40.259 --> 0:03:43.419 It's really small. But anyway, whatever, we're getting sidetracks. 0:03:43.539 --> 0:03:46.739 We are not sponsored by pickleball, sponsored by paddle or people. So, 0:03:47.179 --> 0:03:49.179 but the thing is you have to play it against people. 0:03:49.219 --> 0:03:51.619 So usually you play two v two. Yeah, And so 0:03:51.739 --> 0:03:53.859 we didn't have anyone to play with because we don't 0:03:53.859 --> 0:03:57.099 have many friends and people work. So we found like 0:03:57.179 --> 0:04:00.819 this group where you go into a WhatsApp group and 0:04:00.859 --> 0:04:04.179 it has all these members and you just blind like 0:04:04.259 --> 0:04:06.379 put a call out for somebody to play with. 0:04:06.659 --> 0:04:09.619 So it's just adults asking other adult strangers that they. 0:04:09.579 --> 0:04:10.139 Don't know this. 0:04:10.219 --> 0:04:12.059 You don't have pictures, you don't know anything about them. 0:04:12.619 --> 0:04:15.099 You put in your level of like where how good 0:04:15.219 --> 0:04:17.259 you think you are? Which we put ourselves at the bottom, 0:04:17.299 --> 0:04:19.699 so you put Haye, we're level C minus because that's 0:04:19.699 --> 0:04:22.339 what we are. So we hey, guys, two people C 0:04:22.579 --> 0:04:25.619 minus in this area looking for friends to play with, 0:04:25.779 --> 0:04:26.819 and then other people. 0:04:26.779 --> 0:04:29.179 Respond that are also like C minus. 0:04:28.859 --> 0:04:31.739 Or B and then you swap number and then you 0:04:31.859 --> 0:04:34.619 just meet. We were really nervous because we're like, they're waiting. 0:04:34.659 --> 0:04:36.659 You don't know who you're looking out for, Like all 0:04:36.659 --> 0:04:38.699 these people walking past you like, is that them? 0:04:39.019 --> 0:04:41.379 And then the people with the rackets usually is the 0:04:41.379 --> 0:04:42.059 dead giveaway. 0:04:42.219 --> 0:04:44.819 Not la. You're at a place with like fifty courts 0:04:44.859 --> 0:04:46.819 everyone has or so you're. 0:04:46.739 --> 0:04:48.899 Waiting out the front on the corner of the cafe. No, 0:04:49.099 --> 0:04:51.019 you go to the coffee first, guys. 0:04:50.739 --> 0:04:52.979 You go to the courts and it's a whole tennis court. 0:04:53.059 --> 0:04:56.819 These two guys turned up. 0:04:56.939 --> 0:04:58.619 One was Italian, one was English. 0:04:58.739 --> 0:05:01.299 They were a bit above C minus and it's the 0:05:01.339 --> 0:05:04.099 equivalent of been on a first date, the nerves and stuff, 0:05:04.099 --> 0:05:05.739 because you you sort of have to start to get 0:05:05.779 --> 0:05:07.659 to know them, but you're also playing against them and 0:05:07.659 --> 0:05:09.219 you're trying to work out it your friends and if 0:05:09.259 --> 0:05:10.139 you want to play again. 0:05:10.379 --> 0:05:12.419 You're not on a date, breat you're playing paddle bits 0:05:12.419 --> 0:05:15.539 a friend date. Okay, something that's slightly similar to this, 0:05:15.979 --> 0:05:19.739 probably actually more so that you have to kind of 0:05:19.779 --> 0:05:21.419 like I don't know how to describe it, Like I 0:05:21.459 --> 0:05:22.899 want to say feel it out, but that's not the 0:05:22.979 --> 0:05:26.259 right words. Was when I started doing solsa dancing, because 0:05:26.259 --> 0:05:28.379 you you obviously you go as a solo person. Some 0:05:28.419 --> 0:05:30.699 people go with their partners, but if you're single and 0:05:30.739 --> 0:05:33.499 you're going solo like solsa dancing, you just end up 0:05:33.499 --> 0:05:35.459 getting partnered up with someone. And then you've got some 0:05:35.619 --> 0:05:39.379 random dude who's solsa dancing you and he literally is feeling. 0:05:39.219 --> 0:05:40.939 You up, and like half the time you're like are 0:05:40.939 --> 0:05:43.659 you hitting on me? Are we friends? Are we are? 0:05:43.699 --> 0:05:44.379 We? Like? 0:05:44.379 --> 0:05:45.259 What are we doing here? 0:05:45.459 --> 0:05:47.819 And it's just like there's a weird dynamic that happens 0:05:47.859 --> 0:05:51.139 because like you can obviously go solsa dancing, it's very platonic, 0:05:51.659 --> 0:05:53.379 but there's a part of you that's like, how do 0:05:53.419 --> 0:05:54.939 I make sure this person knows that this is a 0:05:54.939 --> 0:05:56.619 platonic experience for him as well? 0:05:56.659 --> 0:05:58.059 Well? I just thought it was a really good way 0:05:58.099 --> 0:05:59.779 to make friends as an adult, but it was funny. 0:05:59.859 --> 0:06:02.339 So what happened was they came as twos and they'd 0:06:02.339 --> 0:06:05.299 only met through paddle as well, so they've been playing together. 0:06:05.019 --> 0:06:05.738 For a few weeks. 0:06:05.939 --> 0:06:09.139 We went as three, so myself share, my sister and 0:06:09.139 --> 0:06:12.419 her partner and we just one of us just rotated through. Anyway, 0:06:12.659 --> 0:06:14.059 we played for an hour and a half, had a 0:06:14.099 --> 0:06:17.179 great time, got to know each other. Then afterwards one 0:06:17.219 --> 0:06:20.939 of the guys texted Jay separately out of the group 0:06:21.099 --> 0:06:24.019 and asked to switch partners, and he said, will you 0:06:24.139 --> 0:06:25.178 be my new paddle friend? 0:06:25.219 --> 0:06:26.459 And he didn't want to play with me and Sherry 0:06:26.459 --> 0:06:27.619 and he didn't want to play with his friend. 0:06:27.659 --> 0:06:29.139 So it was like this weird couple breakup. 0:06:29.179 --> 0:06:31.339 We only just got together and now they're going off 0:06:31.379 --> 0:06:31.779 as too. 0:06:33.979 --> 0:06:38.019 Okay, anyway, Grace, did you produce a grace? 0:06:38.059 --> 0:06:40.139 Did you allow this? I didn't know would go in this. 0:06:42.739 --> 0:06:44.099 It's a whole new world out there. 0:06:44.179 --> 0:06:46.179 A lot happened on BRIT's weekend. Hey who it was 0:06:46.179 --> 0:06:46.859 a real well one. 0:06:47.259 --> 0:06:49.979 Sorry, sorry, that's the life I leave. 0:06:49.859 --> 0:06:52.259 Give us the update. I want to know. Did you 0:06:52.259 --> 0:06:56.499 guys become friends? What happened next? Yes, we're friends. Oh great, that's. 0:06:56.339 --> 0:06:57.259 My point, Laura. 0:06:57.379 --> 0:06:59.699 If people are out there, it's really hard to make 0:06:59.779 --> 0:07:01.859 friends as an adult and I'm just putting this out 0:07:01.899 --> 0:07:02.539 there for people. 0:07:02.899 --> 0:07:05.379 Producer Grace joined to Adult Gardening Center. 0:07:05.499 --> 0:07:06.699 Yeah it's a community garden. 0:07:06.779 --> 0:07:08.219 Oh my god, I'm volunteered. 0:07:10.659 --> 0:07:10.819 Yeah. 0:07:10.859 --> 0:07:12.899 Continue, And we've made some lovely friends. 0:07:12.899 --> 0:07:15.219 We all have hats that say city farmer. How old 0:07:15.259 --> 0:07:18.099 is everyone in this group? Range? Big range? 0:07:18.619 --> 0:07:21.819 Yeah it would with a community gard wouldn't it great? 0:07:22.019 --> 0:07:22.419 All right? 0:07:24.379 --> 0:07:26.859 There are two types of parents out there, two types 0:07:26.899 --> 0:07:29.859 of mums I think specifically just too yeah, just two 0:07:30.059 --> 0:07:32.139 just to you can you can whittle them down into 0:07:32.139 --> 0:07:36.939 two categories. There's mums who make birthday cakes. It is 0:07:36.979 --> 0:07:40.179 a labor of love. They plan it. It's meticulous. 0:07:40.339 --> 0:07:40.539 You know. 0:07:40.939 --> 0:07:42.819 Actually I shouldn't say just mums. You know you got 0:07:42.819 --> 0:07:44.339 your Hamish Blake's he does a cake. 0:07:44.139 --> 0:07:45.739 Off every year. Let's say parents. 0:07:45.979 --> 0:07:48.779 Yeah, but I think particularly mums do a lot of it, 0:07:48.819 --> 0:07:51.299 you know, like my sister, she's a mum who makes 0:07:51.299 --> 0:07:53.699 a cake for every single kid's birthday, Like it is 0:07:53.819 --> 0:07:57.419 just part and parcel of like childhood core memories. And 0:07:57.459 --> 0:07:59.539 then you have mums who are not really cake makers. 0:07:59.659 --> 0:08:01.699 I e. Me, I'm a cake decorator. 0:08:01.939 --> 0:08:04.739 I like to buy a Cohle's pre bought cake and 0:08:04.779 --> 0:08:06.539 then I just stick some Smarties on it and I 0:08:06.619 --> 0:08:07.219 upscale it. 0:08:07.379 --> 0:08:08.499 The reason I'm talking about this. 0:08:08.459 --> 0:08:11.219 Is because on the weekend, one of my girlfriends she 0:08:11.299 --> 0:08:13.899 was telling me about how she and she's like a 0:08:13.899 --> 0:08:16.859 big cake baker, like she like loves her kid's birthdays. 0:08:17.179 --> 0:08:19.259 No kid has ever gone without a cake being made. 0:08:19.899 --> 0:08:23.499 And it was her daughter's first birthday, right, so she thought, 0:08:23.539 --> 0:08:25.979 what better way to celebrate my kid's first birthday than 0:08:26.019 --> 0:08:30.259 doing a beautiful number one cake, iconic simple, Gonna do 0:08:30.299 --> 0:08:31.019 some like cute. 0:08:30.819 --> 0:08:33.379 Little freckle flowers all over it, gonna have. 0:08:33.299 --> 0:08:36.019 It, give it a little green stems with little beautiful 0:08:36.099 --> 0:08:36.779 leaves on there. 0:08:36.819 --> 0:08:39.098 And then she outlined the whole thing in pink. 0:08:39.499 --> 0:08:42.379 And when she showed me the cake that she made, 0:08:43.099 --> 0:08:45.259 it reinforced that this is the reason why I don't 0:08:45.299 --> 0:08:45.819 make cakes. 0:08:45.859 --> 0:08:46.379 I just want to. 0:08:46.419 --> 0:08:49.139 I want to show you this, Britt, and I want 0:08:49.139 --> 0:08:51.499 you to instantly describe to me what you think it is. 0:08:51.659 --> 0:08:57.179 Okay, it's a giant penis. 0:08:58.259 --> 0:09:01.259 Oh my god, it's a pee when you put it 0:09:01.299 --> 0:09:03.059 on the side, especially. 0:09:02.939 --> 0:09:04.139 Any directions. 0:09:05.259 --> 0:09:06.619 You don't have to put on the side. 0:09:06.979 --> 0:09:08.739 It kind of, unfortunately came out of the other and 0:09:08.819 --> 0:09:11.139 a little bit tilted. So the one instead of having like, 0:09:11.499 --> 0:09:13.699 you know, like a seraph tip to it, it certainly 0:09:13.699 --> 0:09:18.139 has a tip, but it's it's joy and so unfortunate. 0:09:18.419 --> 0:09:20.139 We're gonna put this on the pickup socials, so you 0:09:20.179 --> 0:09:21.338 have to go and see it. You can find it 0:09:21.379 --> 0:09:24.659 on Instagram to pick up. But honestly, it's just so unfortunate. 0:09:24.699 --> 0:09:27.819 Even the freckles and the detail look like it's part 0:09:27.859 --> 0:09:30.459 of the Yeah, I words that we can't use on 0:09:30.579 --> 0:09:31.539 radio three PM. 0:09:31.579 --> 0:09:33.259 There's a reason I don't cook either, Like I just 0:09:33.259 --> 0:09:35.019 get pre made meal sent to my door. I'm gonna 0:09:35.019 --> 0:09:36.619 show you a photo I tried to make a cake 0:09:36.699 --> 0:09:38.619 for my sister's birthday. Now, my sister and I am 0:09:38.619 --> 0:09:41.939 best friends. We traveled the world together for three years, 0:09:41.939 --> 0:09:43.338 like we did this big around the world trip. And 0:09:43.379 --> 0:09:45.179 the reason I say that is because I tried to 0:09:45.259 --> 0:09:49.139 do like an travel inspired cake for her birthday. 0:09:49.739 --> 0:09:51.739 So this is what it was supposed to be, Laura. 0:09:51.859 --> 0:09:53.739 So it's a it's a blue cake, so it looks 0:09:53.779 --> 0:09:56.019 like you're in the sky, and then this is a 0:09:56.019 --> 0:09:59.219 hot air balloon that's made out of biscuits, and then it's. 0:09:59.059 --> 0:10:01.218 Got a big balloon on the top. So then it's 0:10:01.219 --> 0:10:02.979 got covered in clouds. 0:10:02.499 --> 0:10:04.899 Like and these two little dolls in it that are 0:10:04.939 --> 0:10:06.819 supposed to be representative and you're supposed to be like 0:10:06.859 --> 0:10:07.699 traveling through the air. 0:10:07.899 --> 0:10:09.579 Yeah, this the bridge showing me right now. 0:10:09.579 --> 0:10:12.459 It's a very ambitious That looks like an ambitious undertaking 0:10:12.459 --> 0:10:13.819 for someone who doesn't make cakes. 0:10:13.859 --> 0:10:14.659 Oh here's my cake. 0:10:18.179 --> 0:10:21.659 Oh dear, it's actually such a mess. And I tried 0:10:21.699 --> 0:10:23.539 to put that's a little folk cut out photo of. 0:10:23.499 --> 0:10:26.578 Us gami cranes around it. 0:10:26.579 --> 0:10:29.899 That's the birds flying in the air. We're supposed I'm 0:10:29.899 --> 0:10:31.139 going to put it up on the pig arm. 0:10:31.179 --> 0:10:33.539 It's supposed to be like. Okay, it's a mess. It 0:10:33.539 --> 0:10:36.139 looks like a two year old made. It's actually disgraceful. 0:10:36.259 --> 0:10:37.338 It looks like a pillow with a. 0:10:37.299 --> 0:10:39.899 Turd on top. 0:10:40.379 --> 0:10:43.619 Anyway, I understand the pain that your friend feels, but 0:10:43.699 --> 0:10:46.499 I've never come close to making. 0:10:46.259 --> 0:10:48.099 What she made, especially for a one year old. 0:10:48.099 --> 0:10:49.179 Couldn't be more inappropriate. 0:10:49.299 --> 0:10:51.139 No, well, I mean this is still pretty bad, though. 0:10:51.179 --> 0:10:53.819 You could have just bought this unfortunately bred anyway. 0:10:53.539 --> 0:10:55.699 I couldn't buy that. Okay, people send us though, if 0:10:55.699 --> 0:10:56.699 you've ever had a cake fail. 0:10:56.739 --> 0:10:58.379 We want to see it because some people do them 0:10:58.379 --> 0:11:00.259 so well, you know that whole cake or not trend. 0:11:01.499 --> 0:11:03.619 And then there's that, Then there's Brittany Hockley's abomination. 0:11:05.259 --> 0:11:07.579 There's an app, a new app, Laura, that is taking 0:11:07.579 --> 0:11:10.099 the world by storm and it's very controversial. 0:11:10.179 --> 0:11:11.939 It's dividing opinions online. 0:11:12.379 --> 0:11:14.859 It's something we've spoken about a little bit before ourselves. 0:11:14.979 --> 0:11:18.419 But it's the number one downloaded app in the US 0:11:18.539 --> 0:11:22.699 right now. And it's called Tea as in Tea and 0:11:22.819 --> 0:11:26.619 essentially it's a women's only app where men have zero 0:11:26.739 --> 0:11:29.979 access to it, but you can go to I want 0:11:29.979 --> 0:11:33.739 to say report, but I guess out bad behavior from 0:11:33.819 --> 0:11:36.699 men that you have been on dates with or had 0:11:36.739 --> 0:11:39.499 experience with or whatever. It's sort of like that app 0:11:39.539 --> 0:11:41.979 a few years ago in Australia it's called. 0:11:41.779 --> 0:11:43.299 Like SIS Is this Your Man? 0:11:43.499 --> 0:11:43.739 Yeah? 0:11:44.099 --> 0:11:45.859 Sis, is this your Man? I mean it still exists. Yes, 0:11:45.859 --> 0:11:47.458 it's the Facebook page and stuff. You're not allowed to 0:11:47.459 --> 0:11:49.099 talk about it, so we'll probably get blocked from it. 0:11:49.339 --> 0:11:52.219 But basically the premise of this was set up and 0:11:52.259 --> 0:11:53.779 I think T is kind of the same thing. It 0:11:53.859 --> 0:11:57.419 was set up to create more safe dating spaces for women. 0:11:57.459 --> 0:11:59.419 So if you had a really bad experience on a date, 0:11:59.419 --> 0:12:02.339 if something's happened that was like problematic, you could go 0:12:02.459 --> 0:12:04.899 on there and share and warn other women so that 0:12:05.099 --> 0:12:07.219 they didn't have the same fate as what you did. 0:12:07.579 --> 0:12:10.179 Yeah, and what's happening is there's a lot of kickback 0:12:10.259 --> 0:12:12.339 because you can say whatever you want in there. At 0:12:12.339 --> 0:12:14.699 the end of the day, you're supposed to, obviously, only 0:12:14.739 --> 0:12:16.699 say the truth. You're not supposed to make up stories 0:12:16.699 --> 0:12:19.299 about somebody. It's not supposed to be revenge to get 0:12:19.339 --> 0:12:22.019 back at someone, but it can cause obviously a lot 0:12:22.019 --> 0:12:25.699 of reputational damage to somebody. There's no way of knowing 0:12:25.979 --> 0:12:28.419 what someone is saying in this app is true or not, 0:12:28.499 --> 0:12:31.379 because it's just someone's experience, in someone's story. And now 0:12:31.739 --> 0:12:33.899 I'm not quite sure this is the right thing to do. 0:12:34.019 --> 0:12:35.619 I felt like this when we spoke about it a 0:12:35.619 --> 0:12:38.379 few years ago. I still feel like it at. 0:12:38.219 --> 0:12:40.579 The end of the day. And I'm not sticking up 0:12:40.619 --> 0:12:43.259 for men here. If this was reverse but if. 0:12:43.139 --> 0:12:44.858 It don't, don't be mistaken. 0:12:45.099 --> 0:12:47.379 No, if it was reversed, I would feel the same way. 0:12:47.539 --> 0:12:50.459 I just think you get into dangerous territory where you 0:12:50.619 --> 0:12:53.659 can be in a group of people with potentially millions 0:12:53.739 --> 0:12:55.939 of people in that group, and you can say whatever 0:12:55.979 --> 0:12:58.499 you want about somebody with no truth. If they could 0:12:58.499 --> 0:13:03.699 lose their job, it can have complete repercussions for family members, friends, 0:13:03.739 --> 0:13:06.659 for dating, for the love life, for whatever, financial repercussions, 0:13:06.739 --> 0:13:10.659 and it's all based on just one person's thought. I 0:13:10.699 --> 0:13:12.619 don't know what the happy medium is, and I don't 0:13:12.939 --> 0:13:14.859 know of a way that we can make a safe 0:13:14.859 --> 0:13:17.019 place for people to be able to talk about these things. 0:13:16.859 --> 0:13:17.539 And report them. 0:13:17.779 --> 0:13:19.379 But I think if they're bad enough for you to 0:13:19.419 --> 0:13:22.299 be reporting them, report them to the authority. 0:13:22.459 --> 0:13:24.739 Yeah, but I mean it's not always like that someone's 0:13:24.739 --> 0:13:25.699 done something that's illegal. 0:13:25.739 --> 0:13:27.579 It could be just morally illegal. 0:13:27.179 --> 0:13:30.059 You know, if that person's been cheated on multiple times 0:13:30.099 --> 0:13:30.379 or something. 0:13:30.419 --> 0:13:30.779 I don't know. 0:13:30.859 --> 0:13:34.219 I think the thing is if it's only one person's experience, 0:13:34.459 --> 0:13:37.459 When it starts to have real impact is when it's 0:13:37.659 --> 0:13:41.059 multiple women telling stories about the same person. 0:13:41.219 --> 0:13:42.179 That's when I think. 0:13:41.979 --> 0:13:44.939 That these apps really have weight to them, because there's 0:13:45.019 --> 0:13:46.819 multiple women who have dated the same guy, They've had 0:13:46.819 --> 0:13:50.259 the same experience. Maybe he's cheated on them, it was narcissistic, 0:13:50.339 --> 0:13:53.659 maybe he took money, who knows what is the circumstances, 0:13:54.139 --> 0:13:56.819 And I guess it's sad that there is such a 0:13:56.939 --> 0:13:59.179 massive group of women who feel that they need to 0:13:59.179 --> 0:14:01.699 have that layer of protection. So I do understand and 0:14:01.739 --> 0:14:03.579 maybe there is something that's needed to be done. 0:14:04.019 --> 0:14:05.019 The other part of this. 0:14:04.979 --> 0:14:07.939 Though, is when we spoke about cisus this your Men 0:14:08.219 --> 0:14:11.619 on our podcast Life Uncut, we had people from our 0:14:11.659 --> 0:14:14.379 own community who reached out and were like, yeah, I 0:14:14.419 --> 0:14:16.299 found my boyfriend on there and found out he was 0:14:16.379 --> 0:14:19.859 cheating on me with XYZ. Like there's been real consequences 0:14:19.859 --> 0:14:22.019 that's come off the back of that, And you know, 0:14:22.059 --> 0:14:25.699 a lot of this like outcry has been from men 0:14:25.739 --> 0:14:28.259 who are worried about what impact it's going to have 0:14:28.299 --> 0:14:31.019 on their dating opportunities, what impact it's going to have 0:14:31.019 --> 0:14:34.579 on their reputation. But I guess, you know, I don't 0:14:34.619 --> 0:14:37.379 know if there's that many people that are so vindictive 0:14:37.419 --> 0:14:40.299 that they're getting on there and writing awful things off 0:14:40.299 --> 0:14:42.539 the back of like a really decent relationship in a 0:14:42.539 --> 0:14:44.379 decent breakup, Like I feel that with all the. 0:14:44.339 --> 0:14:46.939 Minority, it's impossible to know, and it is, But I 0:14:46.939 --> 0:14:49.979 think the reason that I am a bit more like Okay. 0:14:49.739 --> 0:14:51.099 I don't know if this is the right thing to do. 0:14:51.699 --> 0:14:53.739 Is because like we've been on the receiving end of 0:14:53.779 --> 0:14:55.739 completely fabricated stories. 0:14:55.379 --> 0:14:57.739 Like and it's horrible. And once a story goes out there, 0:14:57.779 --> 0:14:58.939 that's it. It doesn't matter if it's. 0:14:58.779 --> 0:15:01.339 True or not. Like there's a reason they say month sticks. 0:15:01.379 --> 0:15:01.539 Now. 0:15:01.619 --> 0:15:04.419 Again, I'm not defending them. What I think is really 0:15:04.499 --> 0:15:05.739 unfortunate is that we're. 0:15:05.539 --> 0:15:08.299 In a place where women feel like they have to 0:15:08.299 --> 0:15:10.299 cre this in the first place. The fact that we're 0:15:10.299 --> 0:15:12.339 still battling with this and dealing with this on dating 0:15:12.339 --> 0:15:13.419 apps every single day. 0:15:13.979 --> 0:15:15.419 And what has actually come off the back. 0:15:15.299 --> 0:15:19.019 Of this, which is really sad, is men have heard 0:15:19.059 --> 0:15:21.779 that this is app exists and they've hacked it. They've 0:15:21.819 --> 0:15:25.739 hacked the app, and they've doxed women's information from the app. 0:15:25.819 --> 0:15:29.179 So it's almost like doubling down on what the problem is. 0:15:29.219 --> 0:15:31.619 It's almost like you're just showing us how much more 0:15:32.539 --> 0:15:34.099 trust we don't have in you. 0:15:34.379 --> 0:15:34.979 Yeah, but I. 0:15:34.899 --> 0:15:38.179 Also think, like, yes, it's controversial, and I understand that, 0:15:38.619 --> 0:15:41.299 but I think that maybe there should be other parameters 0:15:41.299 --> 0:15:43.339 that are put in place to keep people safe. There 0:15:43.419 --> 0:15:45.699 are some truly awful stories that come off the back 0:15:45.739 --> 0:15:49.059 of online dating. Some people have had truly horrific experiences. 0:15:49.379 --> 0:15:50.219 Some people have just. 0:15:50.139 --> 0:15:52.179 Had like morally awful experiences. 0:15:52.259 --> 0:15:54.339 But I don't want to get too deep with this 0:15:54.539 --> 0:15:57.739 time slot on you know, a lovely Tuesday Afternoon. But 0:15:58.059 --> 0:15:59.739 there may be should be more safety nets that have 0:15:59.779 --> 0:16:01.419 put in place, and it kind of sucks that an 0:16:01.459 --> 0:16:03.379 app like this needs to exist and that people have 0:16:03.419 --> 0:16:06.419 to self moderate in order to feel safer on dating apps. 0:16:06.539 --> 0:16:08.819 Hey, maybe if you've been in this situation and you 0:16:08.859 --> 0:16:10.499 have found something out on one of these apps, so 0:16:10.539 --> 0:16:12.019 you are you part of the tee app? 0:16:12.099 --> 0:16:12.899 Are you part of sis? 0:16:12.979 --> 0:16:13.579 Here's your man? 0:16:13.699 --> 0:16:15.579 Let us know on the pickup and we'll talk about 0:16:15.579 --> 0:16:16.299 it over the coming weeks. 0:16:16.339 --> 0:16:17.419 Anyway, we are out of here.