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Speaker 1: Get a.

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Speaker 2: I'm La La Berry, nutritionist, author, actor, TV presenter, and

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Speaker 2: professional oversharer. This podcast is all about celebrating failure because

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Speaker 2: I believe it's a chance for us to learn, grow

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Speaker 2: and face our blind spots. Each week I'll interview a

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Speaker 2: different guest about their highs as well as their lows,

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Speaker 2: all in a bid to inspire us to fearlessly fail.

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Speaker 1: Hello, Welcome to the Potteroo.

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Speaker 2: We have a festive I feel like this time between

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Speaker 2: Christy and New Year is festive, right, so we have

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Speaker 2: a festive EP for you today.

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Speaker 1: It is actor and I hope I says right.

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Speaker 2: Wham So Wiggs hair and makeup designer Nick Naud. He

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Speaker 2: is incredible, funny, witty, an actor, can sing, can dance

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Speaker 2: and is a guru when it comes to all things wigs, hair, makeup.

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Speaker 2: He has toured with Dorian Gray, the Sarah Snook product.

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Speaker 1: Can I say that Sarah Snook production of Dorrian Gray.

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Speaker 2: Where there is like a two hour monologue and there's

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Speaker 2: literally twenty six different characters, So you can imagine how

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Speaker 2: full on that would be for.

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Speaker 1: Wigs, hair, makeup, all of that.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, He did west End in London, then did Broadway

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Speaker 2: in New York.

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Speaker 1: He's back. When we recorded this back in malb was.

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Speaker 2: Working on a Christmas carol which I saw the day

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Speaker 2: before this chat with my dad. So it was so

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Speaker 2: nice just to chat. Very honestly, there's something very refreshing

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Speaker 2: and honest about Nick. He is funny, he's driven, very

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Speaker 2: very smart and very yeah, very very witty. As we

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Speaker 2: record this, as this eep comes out, he's actually in

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Speaker 2: Byron based. So Nick, if you hear this, I hope

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Speaker 2: you're having a riper time in Byron and enjoy all

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Speaker 2: the amazing the food, the drink every Byron.

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Speaker 1: You know, you the listener, know how I feel about Byron.

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Speaker 2: Bay All right, enjoy this chat. It's inspiring, It's honest.

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Speaker 2: It's frank. Nick, You're unreal. Thanks for jumping on the pod.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the pod, Nick Enrd.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, beautifully pronounced.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for training me in direct for the last

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Speaker 2: three minutes. It's so nice. Okay, actor, plus, am I

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Speaker 2: saying this right?

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Speaker 1: Wham?

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Speaker 4: Correct?

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Speaker 1: Can you tell me what that is?

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Speaker 3: Wigs, hair and makeup?

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Speaker 1: Holy mac?

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Speaker 2: So can we go back a little a little further

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Speaker 2: and go back to like whopper?

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Speaker 3: Oh yes we can get ready to cry.

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Speaker 1: How was it?

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure I have anything to add that. It's

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Speaker 4: particularly like groundbreaking. It was amazing, very defining, traumatic, weirdly traumatic.

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, because you're aren't you like, aren't the contact?

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Speaker 2: I was crazy? So you can't really have a job.

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Speaker 2: But then you're not from Perth, so.

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Speaker 3: So you're just so poor?

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Speaker 4: Mom? Can I have fifty bucks? I used to work

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Speaker 4: at Perth Arena, which I think is called now rac Arena. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: and I could like squeeze out like maybe two shifts

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Speaker 4: a week, which is looking back like I probably in

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Speaker 4: those weeks, I was like, oh good, I managed two shifts.

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Speaker 4: I was getting, you know, one hundred and fifty dollars.

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Speaker 4: I was like, hell, yeah this I can. I can

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Speaker 4: get a seven yon blow and some rice cakes.

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Speaker 2: So I have to ask everyone that I've met that

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Speaker 2: goes to what are usually like is like a musical theater?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like Triple Threat? Yeah, would you do you want

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Speaker 1: to hear me?

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Speaker 4: See?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, go for it.

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Speaker 2: I had a couple of weeks on Hugh Sheridan and

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Speaker 2: I think he broke into song three times.

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Speaker 1: Well made interviews.

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Speaker 3: I'm hoping not to break that record.

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Speaker 1: You can if you want. Thank you for it's safe space,

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Speaker 1: go for gold. So okay.

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Speaker 2: So like, as a kid, was this always a thing

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Speaker 2: like you were like because wasn't your auntie or someone

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Speaker 3: Bravo my auntie her name is Sarah Andy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, musical theater perform so everyone in our family sort

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Speaker 4: of did ballet. That was very much a thing amazing

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Speaker 4: and then she, you know, was like rebelled and it

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Speaker 4: wasn't working for hers as she went into jazz dance

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Speaker 4: and she had this great music theater creer, but probably

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Speaker 4: still having great music theater career. She was in Mamma

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Speaker 4: Mia in Australia when Celin Dion came. She was on

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Speaker 4: is like the Meryl Stree and Celendion was like, can

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Speaker 4: we clone you? That's like the world's best compliment right right,

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Speaker 4: So that was my She was just my hero growing up.

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Speaker 4: And she was in Starlight Express the Andreloude Webby Spectacular

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Speaker 4: in Germany. I got to go over when I was

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Speaker 4: thirteen and that was it. I was just like, I

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Speaker 4: want to be a German roller skating drag queen that

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Speaker 4: whatever that is.

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Speaker 1: I love it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I feel like you have been able to

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Speaker 2: fulfill so many of these dreams.

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Speaker 1: Looking at your career, what a great career?

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Speaker 2: Is it?

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Speaker 1: True?

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Speaker 2: Though?

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Speaker 1: You were on.

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Speaker 2: Priscilla Queen in the desert, like on this cruise like

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Speaker 2: and you were bored and you were like, effort, I

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Speaker 2: want to hang out with the whig people.

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Speaker 1: Is that what happened?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Pretty much. At one point I had injured myself and

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Speaker 4: I was like, oh, I don't know if I'm gonna

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Speaker 4: do the show whatever, just having a tough time, and

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Speaker 4: then I went to complain into the head of wigs.

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Speaker 4: I mean on a cruise ship, this poor woman one

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Speaker 4: one of her doing you know, you can imagine Priscilla

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Speaker 4: just massive styles, so many wigs. Fun though, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: but you know I was like, I'm really struggling and whatever.

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Speaker 4: She was like, yeah, you're telling me my life sucks.

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Speaker 4: It's like, well, maybe I can help you. And I

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Speaker 4: sort of had this vision that I was going to

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Speaker 4: be a drag queen after that, so I was like, great,

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Speaker 4: I'll learn how to do this, and then just fell

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Speaker 4: in love with doing wigs thanks.

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Speaker 2: To her on the drag Queen like tangent a real

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Speaker 2: bold Where did you find that?

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Speaker 1: Can you explain? I told you I deep dive.

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Speaker 4: Wow to work out where. I've even said that out

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Speaker 4: trying to do drag and it was when I very

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Speaker 3: I was like, great, this is it. And it felt like.

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Speaker 4: The day I started drag race became popular here and

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Speaker 4: then it was like, You've got to be a lip syncer.

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Speaker 4: You have to have a different outfit every time you've

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Speaker 4: was like, oh, forget it. So I was cycling through

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Speaker 4: not I'm not enjoying this. I don't want to do it,

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Speaker 4: and I didn't want people to find me or to

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Speaker 4: hire me. I just wanted to be completely on my

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Speaker 4: own terms. So I just kept changing. And then the

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Speaker 4: last few if I've ever done it more recently and

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Speaker 4: I need to have a name, I call myself aerial

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Speaker 4: bowls in the font.

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Speaker 1: I love it.

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Speaker 4: Great name, yeah, or sometimes at Christmas I'll be miss Lato.

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Speaker 1: Why what's that.

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Speaker 4: Mistlet Okay, maybe this is showing why I shouldn't.

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Speaker 2: No no, no, no sorry sorry no no no please

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 2: And you know what, do not you please do not

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Speaker 2: use me as your barometer, because if if my boyfriend

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Speaker 2: was still in the.

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Speaker 1: Room, he would be like, oh my god, Lola, you

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Speaker 1: are the words.

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Speaker 3: It's a beautiful name from my family. Sorry long right

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Speaker 3: of the toes.

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Speaker 1: So okay.

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Speaker 2: So he So you were like, okay, drag queen. It

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Speaker 2: was just like too much, Like the expectation was I

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Speaker 2: just had it?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, no, shade people who do it amazing, amazing,

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Speaker 4: and now especially there's such a like an over saturation

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Speaker 3: But it just was I didn't have the stomach for it.

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Speaker 1: But you loved wigs, right like you like that, and.

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Speaker 4: That's what I was reflecting, And I was sort of like, well,

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Speaker 4: there was part of this that I loved. I loved

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Speaker 4: getting ready, I loved the preparation before I even put

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Speaker 4: it on, thinking about what the looks were going to be, Like,

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Speaker 4: I love doing these wigs. I'll just do that for

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Speaker 4: other drag queens started doing that. Again, no offense to

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Speaker 4: all the drag queens out there.

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Speaker 2: Awful clients, okay, like what egos or needy or like

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Speaker 1: I am an artist, yeah, like yeah, I will make you.

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Speaker 3: The statue of David. Yeah, don't tell me what to do.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, which also makes me a back.

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Speaker 3: So good, but yeah, I was like, I just like

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Speaker 4: So then I sort of spent a lot of my

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Speaker 4: like my at home art form.

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Speaker 2: And then when did that switch over to like doing

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Speaker 2: wigs for theater and plays.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, not entirely sure.

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Speaker 4: I was doing a lot early days, like a lot

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Speaker 4: of stuff for free, yeah, because I was very like,

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Speaker 4: I know what the standard is. I know I'm not

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Speaker 4: on their little cabaret or like their Indian theater show.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'll do the weeks because I want.

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Speaker 4: I want to do that and I want to be

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Speaker 4: part of it, and I want to have photos of

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Speaker 4: things I've done. And I've deleted all those photos now

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Speaker 4: because they were tragic, but yeah, I just sort of

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Speaker 4: started putting my hand up and early days, you know,

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Speaker 4: to hear of a friend putting on a show and

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Speaker 4: be like, do you want weeks? We can't affoughd He's like,

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Speaker 4: nay can so genius. I'm free and desperate.

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Speaker 2: But that's also work ethic. That's an amazing work ethic

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Speaker 2: to have from the get go. Like that's a testament

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Speaker 2: to you.

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Speaker 4: I love working. Oh yeah, that's what I mean. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: you know it's not about money. I'm not a capitalist,

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Speaker 4: free just like I think it was my hobby. I'm like,

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Speaker 4: the more I get to do this, the better, right, Like, yay,

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Speaker 4: I spent nine hours on it today, What.

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Speaker 3: A great day.

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Speaker 2: I was obsessed with watching your Day in the Life,

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Speaker 2: Like you're really good at vlogging.

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Speaker 1: You did this like day in the Life in New York. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that was fun doing Dorian Gray.

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Speaker 2: And I was like, oh my your days were pretty

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Speaker 2: especially if I'm guessing Mattinee night performance. Can you right, well, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Closest thing that I could say, because I like hunted

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that fully exists. I have to ask it.

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Speaker 4: Look open door policy? From me? I'll tell you what

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Speaker 4: They got together, act together.

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Speaker 4: My pay for Broadway was immediately without even negotiating anything

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Speaker 2: Okay is that because it's union, Like it's all pictured

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Speaker 3: Not going to call the mafia on a podcast, but.

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Speaker 4: You know, the British audience really understood the story. A

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Speaker 4: lot of Oscar Wild fans society kept coming and I

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Speaker 4: and you know, here's something you might not have realized

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Speaker 4: Yeah, like so many people, so much excitement, such a

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Speaker 3: You know, it's like it's award season. There's something on

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Speaker 4: Yeah, to go to and you know there's a media

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Speaker 4: Absolutely. I mean there's a bit of an ownership of

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Speaker 3: I mean it literally is like, oh, it wasn't that creative?

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Speaker 1: How amazing?

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Speaker 2: So I might I imagine like that working on that

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Speaker 1: For you to be like here.

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Speaker 2: Like everyone comes out like feeling amazing and it's all

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Speaker 1: Such a beautiful message of like, yeah, being present.

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Speaker 4: And it's great. I mean, it's to be honest, very easy.

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Speaker 2: You've got to be physically like yesterday you would have

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Speaker 1: Yeah is so fun.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, so much fun, but also like.

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Speaker 2: A testament to you, like such a hard way. I

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Speaker 2: I just say one thing? Your red carpet outfit, stop it?

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much?

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Speaker 1: You might I say, yeah, I tried really hard. You

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Speaker 4: You know, it's like I'm gonna have this forever, right,

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Speaker 3: Like I can, honestly, you know, I'm not going to

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Speaker 4: One of the craziest best experiences of my life. There

445
00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,560
Speaker 4: were there was this moment after moment I was just like,

446
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Speaker 4: I I want to say, I can't believe this is happening, but.

447
00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:42,760
Speaker 3: It is, like, well, what's going to happen?

448
00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:45,920
Speaker 4: Next? You go to the toilet like excuse me, Andrew

449
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:46,800
Speaker 4: Lloyd Webber.

450
00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:50,200
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah what someone goes, oh, excuse me and passes.

451
00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:55,120
Speaker 4: You're like that was Leah Michelle, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

452
00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:55,960
Speaker 4: so good.

453
00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,080
Speaker 3: It was so so cool.

454
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Speaker 4: And my gorgeous date, Mark Harwell, the costume and set

455
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:06,800
Speaker 4: designer of Dorian most talented person I've ever met one

456
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,240
Speaker 4: and I was her date and she felt a little

457
00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:12,680
Speaker 4: bit awkward about holding the awards, so she kept giving

458
00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:16,600
Speaker 4: it to me. You know how I felt. When we

459
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:18,800
Speaker 4: were walking out of the Tonies down to one of

460
00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,080
Speaker 4: the after parties, she was like, I want you to

461
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Speaker 4: hold it as we leave with venue, like I feel

462
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,240
Speaker 4: just like you hold it. So of course, you know,

463
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:30,520
Speaker 4: people like lining the street, congratulations, congratulations and everyone. I

464
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 4: was like, no, no, it's Marks, it's Marg's Marg. Unless

465
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 4: it was a hot guy, which came.

466
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Speaker 1: I was like, thank you well as you should have that.

467
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:38,880
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness.

468
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 2: Also the nerds out there like theater and I'm going

469
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Speaker 2: to say, like that one any but like a tony

470
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Speaker 2: is smaller than you think. Wouldn't you say a tony

471
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Speaker 2: is about that big, whereas an Emmy is humongous. An

472
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:56,199
Speaker 2: Emmy it's three three tonys on the top of each other.

473
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Speaker 4: Do you think are small? They're heavy? The gorgeous they.

474
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Speaker 1: Sped, gorgeous spin.

475
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 3: And like everything you know, it's so weird. You get it.

476
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 4: They get it for the night, and then they have

477
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 4: to give it back what so that it can get

478
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 4: in grave.

479
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's right.

480
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Speaker 4: But we were like looking at the numbers and trying

481
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Speaker 4: to work out whether we actually got Did you get

482
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Speaker 4: the same much? I'm back Sarah did, but Mark thought

483
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 4: she didn't. I don't know anyway.

484
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 2: I thought they did it on the spot, like I thought,

485
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:21,879
Speaker 2: you go backstage.

486
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Speaker 4: She would back, like what they give you is just

487
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:28,399
Speaker 4: one out of the pile. No, because people would you

488
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:29,440
Speaker 4: know if they engraved it.

489
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:31,960
Speaker 2: But at the Oscars and stuff, you see like Leo

490
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 2: and all that man up he's standing backstage as they engraved.

491
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Speaker 1: Really, there's all these.

492
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Speaker 3: People, wait for their thing to get engraved and then

493
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Speaker 3: come out.

494
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Speaker 1: I think it's like a thing.

495
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 2: No, I think like you win, You're holding the thing

496
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 2: and it doesn't have whatever you've written on it, and

497
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Speaker 2: then you do one round of press and maybe another,

498
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,440
Speaker 2: and then there's all media where the engraving happened.

499
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Speaker 4: Wow.

500
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Speaker 1: I could be wrong, but together, well, let's rode on

501
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Speaker 1: the spot. Let's report back. We're going into award season

502
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Speaker 1: in America.

503
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Speaker 4: When I win a US next year.

504
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:05,399
Speaker 2: Absolutely, you know, well, what is the dream for you? Like,

505
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 2: let's look into a crystal ball. We were talking about

506
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 2: both wanting three millionaires in the elevator, Like, let's look

507
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 2: into a crystal ball.

508
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 4: I just want to be so rich. Now.

509
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 3: It's just like the hardest question in the world.

510
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,440
Speaker 4: I know, like you may have gathered so far. I

511
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:25,639
Speaker 4: just like follow my creative impulse and sometimes like the

512
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 4: genuine fear that I'm having at the moment is like,

513
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 4: oh God, like what next? Like everyab experience with Broadway, Wow,

514
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,160
Speaker 4: it felt great. You know, there were obviously very hard bits,

515
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 4: but what the hell do I do next? And sort

516
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,439
Speaker 4: of trying to be like there are many fabulous possibilities

517
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,880
Speaker 4: in my future and not necessarily like this is the one,

518
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 4: but I actually the two before the pod started. This

519
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 4: weird thing about being a creative is you're like, you

520
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 4: are aware constantly.

521
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 3: That's why it's so hard to quit.

522
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 4: You're ware constantly your one email away from all of

523
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,920
Speaker 4: your dreams coming Toru. You know, just like, Hey, Nick,

524
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 4: we'd love to offer you this thing that I'd be like,

525
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 4: oh my god, you know, yeah, you could win a

526
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 4: big award, you could become extremely rich or famous or

527
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 4: well known or whatever. We'd love to invite you to

528
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 4: write a best selling novel or whatever. And then you're

529
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 4: also an email away from being ruined. Hey we've uncovered that.

530
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 4: Try to review from.

531
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Speaker 2: But this is also where I think like having and

532
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 2: I believe you've got it, like this resilience tenacity piece

533
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 2: that a lot of people don't talk about. That You've

534
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:30,400
Speaker 2: got to be willing to sit in that uncertainty oh yeah,

535
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 2: and keep like believing in that thing and trusting it.

536
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 1: And you clearly have an.

537
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:40,400
Speaker 2: Amazing work ethic as well, because look at all look

538
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,160
Speaker 2: at the body of work. I have to ask you, Tarzan,

539
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 2: how on earth did you go acting like being an actor,

540
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 2: rocking up doing but then also doing can you do

541
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 2: all the wigs for that?

542
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 4: Yeah? Look, this was Tarzan was here in Australia. This

543
00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 4: was like coming off the back of New York and

544
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 4: they'd asked me to do the weeks for it, and

545
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 4: I was like, I don't know, I don't know. I

546
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 4: don't even know if I want to go home, I

547
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 4: might try and stay here. And then it was like,

548
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,959
Speaker 4: well would you like to play Clayton, who is the

549
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:16,679
Speaker 4: villain in Tarzan and usually one big butchy whatever. And

550
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 4: I was like, I don't know. If I offered the

551
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 4: combination all they did, but at some point I was

552
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 4: just like, there you go. That's the next challenge when

553
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 4: someone offers you something that you're like what, Yeah, Like

554
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,680
Speaker 4: that's exactly that's the feeling. And I'm like, yay, I'm

555
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 4: so scared to do that. Let's do it. It was

556
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,399
Speaker 4: so hard, it was so much fun. I designed all

557
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 4: the weak hair makeup looks. I put a ton of

558
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 4: wiks into the show and I just worked and worked

559
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 4: and worked. Like luckily Clayton's not in Act one, so

560
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 4: I spent all of Act one doing all these week looks.

561
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Speaker 2: That I imagine that for you as an artist and

562
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 2: as a creative they although they're both very creative things,

563
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 2: they're quite different skills. And so i'm you'd have to

564
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 2: like switch from like wigs, hair makeup.

565
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 1: Mode into Clayton mode.

566
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 2: And like you know, with acting, it's all about like

567
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 2: what are you trying to achieve in the scene or

568
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 2: like if you're especially if you're a villain, like you're

569
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 2: potentially trying to like undo whatever act one has built.

570
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,119
Speaker 2: And so I imagine you've got to flick from one

571
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 2: mindset into another.

572
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 3: That's just easy for me. It just suits my brain.

573
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:25,160
Speaker 1: Oh how good?

574
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,159
Speaker 4: Great a challenge like that's so that's so hard and

575
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:29,919
Speaker 4: it was hard every day? Good?

576
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, Wow.

577
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Speaker 4: I would be interested to see if I had to

578
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 4: do something like that for a year, how would go

579
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,919
Speaker 4: once all the adrenalines rupped off once all that, you know,

580
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 4: once I'm no longer really interested in the looks I've

581
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 4: created and it's like, okay, I'm just really creating the

582
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 4: same thing every day. That would probably be like, okay,

583
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,479
Speaker 4: I've got to hand one of these over now, because

584
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,199
Speaker 4: it's a job totally. But that was a job. That's

585
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 4: why I did it. You know.

586
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Speaker 3: It's a three week run by the end of it,

587
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 3: I was like, did.

588
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: You fall in ahead? At the end of.

589
00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 5: It, horribly, horribly I had put off several I think,

590
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 5: oh God, that's overs because you know, I was so

591
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 5: lucky to just go back to back to back to

592
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 5: back gigs for.

593
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:10,719
Speaker 3: Maybe three years.

594
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 1: How good is that? That's the dream?

595
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 3: Lucky me, lucky lucky me.

596
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:18,360
Speaker 4: And then after post Tarzan was like, I have nothing

597
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 4: lined up for the first time in a long time.

598
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:25,360
Speaker 4: And I had probably a week of like, oh, I'm

599
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 4: a wreck and I'm ill or whatever.

600
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then that next week was just the worst.

601
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 4: I was like, what do I do now?

602
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, they come down from the high as a creative.

603
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, like, no one's ringing me. So I've got to

604
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 4: find work. That's one thing, and luckily that you know,

605
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 4: that's come along in many ways. But then when's the

606
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 4: next thing that comes along that makes me go, that's it,

607
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 4: that's it, you know.

608
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 1: I think that's the actor's life though, like I do think.

609
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 2: I do think you're constantly like mining for the next

610
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 2: thing or like and one thing I've learned.

611
00:28:58,640 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 1: I live in Los Angeles.

612
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 2: I was hung you before, but I shot a pilot

613
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 2: earlier this year and it's not until recently I've known

614
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 2: what the next stage of it is. So like it's

615
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 2: not like I'm going to shoot this thing and my

616
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 2: life's going to change, and there's a lot of gaps

617
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 2: between one gig and the other gig, and so you

618
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,479
Speaker 2: just I'm learning to like become a hyphen it and

619
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 2: be like, Okay, well, how great. I've got a pod

620
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 2: I can dive into and do things when other things

621
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 2: are like, oh, you're waiting. But I think that the

622
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 2: thing that I'm finding researching you is that you seem

623
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 2: to have this incredible and I know it's the second

624
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 2: time I'm saying this, this is incredible work ethic where

625
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 2: I imagine, yeah, you would have burnt out for week one,

626
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 2: Week two, you would have been like, oh my goodness.

627
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: What is my life?

628
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 4: Like?

629
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 1: Who am what is next?

630
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 2: But then I imagine from that feeling, which isn't a

631
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 2: nice feeling, but from that feeling, you're like, Okay, let's

632
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 2: pull my socks up, let's figure this out.

633
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: Am I right or wrong?

634
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 4: Literally? Week three, that exact timeline made of bed, not

635
00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 4: of a hair. So you Ryan Shelton, isn't he amazing? Amazing?

636
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 4: It's doing an art show at the Above in Fitzroy.

637
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 4: He did it. It was called all this work just for this.

638
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: You need to go on his pod by the way,

639
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: it's so good.

640
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, invite me Ryan. Yeah. And he so a lot

641
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 4: of the artworks were sort of pun based, and he

642
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 4: had this idea that there would be a piece called

643
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 4: bed hair. Yeah, and a poor thing. I really was like, yeah, yeah,

644
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 4: I'll get I'll get back to you. I'll get back

645
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 4: to you. I haven't got a lot on got a

646
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 4: lot of you know. And after and a week, designer

647
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 4: in this show leave me alone. And then it was like, okay,

648
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 4: fully I'm in and I we got this bed and

649
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 4: I completely covered it with hair and colors, big shaggy mess,

650
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 4: no all brown, a chrome. And then over the opening night,

651
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 4: I live styled the hair over three hours, so I

652
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 4: braided it, I put it in waves and like.

653
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 1: Oh that's fun.

654
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 4: All up or whatever.

655
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: That's fun.

656
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 4: It was so much fun. But like, that's my idea

657
00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 4: of having a down day. Yes I do. Next it

658
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 4: better be something that just makes me go like what yes,

659
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 4: thank you? Ian?

660
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: So okay, so that prove my point. You are someone

661
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: that like loves to work.

662
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 2: I feel like working as your baby kind of thing,

663
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 2: like that's what brings you happiness, that's your not to

664
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 2: get hippie but dumber your purpose.

665
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 4: Absolutely. I feel a bit icky about the word working

666
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 4: because they don't mean capital of sense. I mean like

667
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 4: I'm a like, like the uncoolest person in the world.

668
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 4: I'm a tryer. I love trying.

669
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, like I think you're pretty cool.

670
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 4: Thank you.

671
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: Great hair, but great hair hair?

672
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know. I mean I've I've read enough stuff

673
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 4: online about like it's not cool to try, like people

674
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 4: who who skate through life or whatever.

675
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 3: Like you can embrace that too, let go Like not

676
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 3: love trying.

677
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 4: I love waking up in the morning and being like,

678
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 4: I'm going to do something that I didn't think I

679
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 4: could do. I'm going to I'm going to say yes

680
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 4: to something impossible and then you know what an idiot.

681
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 2: Well okay, so so you wake up tomorrow and you

682
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 2: want to try something impossible.

683
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: What would that have you?

684
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 4: Like?

685
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: Cross into film TV?

686
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 4: Yeah a bit. In Australia, to be fair, there's not

687
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 4: many opportunities to be very creative with it. I've done

688
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 4: it a bit and you know, great, great money, but

689
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 4: especially I love working with wigs because there's more chance

690
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 4: to be super creative, and you know our funding systems,

691
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 4: it's very very hard to get something that can use

692
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 4: proper wigs or whatever.

693
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 3: So what would you say if I woke up tomorrow.

694
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you got something.

695
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 2: It was like something you got a job came into

696
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 2: your email, right, and it was scary af but you were.

697
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: Like, forget, I'm going to give it a try.

698
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 4: Yeah.

699
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: What would that be or what could that be?

700
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 4: In my opinion right now, it would be acting, and

701
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 4: it would be going back to like when I was

702
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 4: at drama school. I was like I could play Macbeth,

703
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 4: right crazy? Yeah right now, you know you as you

704
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 4: go through your career, you're like, okay, I've just got

705
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 4: to go for like what suits me, right, Yeah. So

706
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 4: what I usually get to inform and I usually end

707
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 4: up doing is camp be kind of things, drag kind

708
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 4: of things, things with big makeup and hair looks that

709
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 4: that kind of thing. Love it, love it, love it.

710
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 4: I think the next thing that would scare the shit

711
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 4: out of me would be like play a play a man,

712
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 4: a normal man. That would like great, I'm shaking now,

713
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 4: Like that would be such a cool challenge or something

714
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 4: I've never heard of, Like you're going to go to

715
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 4: Vegas and you're going to design the hair for like

716
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 4: an underwater spectacular and we want the hair to sparkle

717
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 4: in the in the water.

718
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 3: I'd be like, great, Actually, why do you how to

719
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 3: do that?

720
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 2: As you say that, I'm like that you that should happen.

721
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 4: Right, That's the kind of thing that I'm the right

722
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 4: person for because I will just try everything until it

723
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 4: makes my skin tingle, like yep, I've got it because

724
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 4: my feeling, Yeah, I did it.

725
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 2: So if we talk about skin tingle for a sec,

726
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 2: what are three things? Obviously I'm imagining Dorian Gray would

727
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 2: have been one of those things, or there would have

728
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 2: been a moment where you were whether it's Broadway and

729
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 2: you're you're physically there on stage being like, holy fuck,

730
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 2: what are some other I'm also feeding you that one.

731
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: If you're like no, no, no, no, I hated that, but

732
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 1: like have you had it? Because I don't even on

733
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 1: hairspray as well, like as there been skin tingling moment,

734
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 1: you know what I mean?

735
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 4: You know I do. I could think of a particular,

736
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 4: like a really proud moment that American Psycho the musical

737
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 4: at the Sydney Opera House. Yeah, however many years ago.

738
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 4: It is probably just it was pre COVID. I think

739
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 4: it got cut off because of COVID. And that was

740
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 4: one of the first bigger things i'd done. I did

741
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 4: redesigned it for the Opera House. I was like, holy shit,

742
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 4: we're at the Opera House. I was really nervous. I

743
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,399
Speaker 4: was all by myself and there was this nightclub scene

744
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 4: where they had all these sort of club kid looks,

745
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,479
Speaker 4: dresses made out of rubber gloves or whatever, and I'd

746
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 4: made these sort of creations, you know, weird things, and

747
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 4: I was a bit like, I don't know how this

748
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 4: is going to be. And I remember sitting there in

749
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 4: the dress rehearsal and the revolve turned around and they're

750
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 4: all standing there in their posses. I had to go outside.

751
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 4: I was crying. So I was just like I did it,

752
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 4: Like I took my this is this is the wag

753
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 4: thing I've ever seen. I took my own breath away.

754
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

755
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 4: If I would ever said as an actor, you can

756
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 4: take me out of the back and euthanize me right now. Yeah,

757
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 4: because get over yourself. But that's the joy of creating

758
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:16,800
Speaker 4: something with your hands.

759
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know that.

760
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 4: I'm like I looked at that and went like that

761
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 4: was me.

762
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 2: And in the Sydney like the Sydney Opera House is

763
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 2: like iconic.

764
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, that's a goodie.

765
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 4: That's got to be good.

766
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: That's up there.

767
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 4: And then I think, you know, if you do well

768
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 4: in like school VCE is that Victorian where we're from, Yeah,

769
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 4: Victorian year twelve end of school thing. If you do well,

770
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 4: you get in drama or dance whatever you can get

771
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 4: into like top class, and then you end up in

772
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,280
Speaker 4: top acts. So I did really well with my drama

773
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 4: solo when I was in year twelve and it was

774
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 4: a climate change the musical and we got to perform

775
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,399
Speaker 4: at the palais and say.

776
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: Which is huge.

777
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, god, you don't realize how big that place is.

778
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 4: I remember doing that so well and they put me

779
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 4: last and I was petrified. Had no idea that I

780
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 4: had panic disorder at the time. She says, go, oh,

781
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 4: you know, when you get nervous, you like basically completely

782
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,879
Speaker 4: black out and have to go into the other room

783
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 4: and then you can't remember what happened, right, right, that's

784
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 4: not normal, petrified, But I remembered that time being like

785
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 4: I created this myself, This is my my moment, Like

786
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 4: I you know, it's all me out there. I can

787
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 4: do this, And I remember very having like the first

788
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 4: feeling of like the audience is under my control right now,

789
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 4: and I remember that tingling thing. It's just like I

790
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,359
Speaker 4: could do anything out here, yeah, and they'd have to

791
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 4: watch me.

792
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: So good. I love it. I could talk to you

793
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: all day long. I love bringing on.

794
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 2: Creatives and giving advice for like an actor that might

795
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:00,800
Speaker 2: be fresh out of school, because I think there's a

796
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 2: big difference between being in school, whether it's Nider Whopper,

797
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 2: any of the beautiful. We've got such good training here

798
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 2: in Australia, but then from that to actually booking or working,

799
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 2: there's like a business hat you have to put on.

800
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 2: I think that the two are quite different. So, like,

801
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 2: what advice have you got for someone that's just like

802
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 2: fresh out of drama school and wants to do what

803
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 2: you're doing, like you know, wants to be acting or

804
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 2: wants to be doing creative stuff.

805
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 3: Pregnant pause, pregnant pause.

806
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:34,240
Speaker 1: It's a big question.

807
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 4: It's a big question, Like, first of all, before I

808
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 4: give you advice to succeed, like advice to fail, Like, oh,

809
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 4: my god, talk about how you're feeling all the time

810
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 4: to everyone. Most people feel the same that one friend

811
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 4: of yours in your class who's in a Netflix series

812
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 4: is nothing to compare yourself to. There are thousands and

813
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 4: thousands of people you are so so talented out there

814
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,879
Speaker 4: just working in a shop today or whatever, and there's

815
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 4: just no shame in that. But my god, just talk

816
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 4: about it. If you know, I see a psychologist who

817
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 4: has helped me so much with this kind of thing

818
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:18,399
Speaker 4: of just like, oh, don't feel special, babes, Like I've

819
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 4: heard this all before. Oh you're a creative who's struggling

820
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 4: with your sense of identity. Okay, well these are things

821
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 4: are the steps to take, So definitely that. And then

822
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 4: in terms of like making a thing for yourself, I

823
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 4: would say to just like continue to explore outside of

824
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 4: of what in auditions you're being asked to do a

825
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:46,240
Speaker 4: certain thing, to read scripts, to present them, to sell yourself.

826
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 4: Continue to explore outside of that. What brings you joy.

827
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:51,800
Speaker 4: Do you like reading and like stretching that part of

828
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 4: your imagination is talking about it more fun for you?

829
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 4: Focus on that kind of thing in order to keep

830
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,720
Speaker 4: loving it, because those are the moments when you're.

831
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:03,720
Speaker 3: Like, Okay, this is it.

832
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 4: It's yess or nos, it's wealth or poverty, that you

833
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 4: can just be like I hate what I do and

834
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 4: assuming you got into it because you love it. Anything

835
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,399
Speaker 4: you have to do to continue to love your own

836
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 4: creativity and maybe make something that you're proud of. Maybe,

837
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 4: but just keep doing the thing. Yeah, I love it,

838
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 4: whatever that is. You're never wasting time.

839
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 2: That's the most common feedback people have is like, make

840
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:36,479
Speaker 2: sure that outside of the auditions, outside of like being

841
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 2: in even classes and scene study, like make sure outside

842
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:40,760
Speaker 2: of that you've got.

843
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: A joyful life and that you're doing stuff that you love.

844
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 3: So they like auditions that they love it.

845
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 1: No, that is monarchy.

846
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 4: I've got to be lying.

847
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 1: Do you mean like in room or self tape? Do

848
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 1: you have a preference?

849
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 3: Oh, I don't know. Everything's self tape now, is it?

850
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 4: Yeah? Finds the last time I went into a room.

851
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,280
Speaker 4: I like a self tape because I like doing silly

852
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 4: stuff like oh, I don't know about this, this is

853
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 4: a bit of a script or whatever, like okay, I'll

854
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 4: put on a costume minute or whatever.

855
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 1: Do your I've heard a lot of people say a.

856
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 4: Little I'm just going to be open about exactly what

857
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 4: this is. Phantom of the Opera on the Harbor. The

858
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 4: first time they did it, they sent through so much

859
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 4: material twitition, and I was just like, I just don't

860
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:23,839
Speaker 4: have the time at all. I was in the middle

861
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 4: of something else and I was like, Okay, I can

862
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 4: learn this part. That's sort of an opera and there's

863
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 4: sort of two parts in that one that pretendent. I

864
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 4: was like, I'll do the whole thing, play all the characters.

865
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 4: And then I was like, I don't have time to

866
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 4: do this. So I created four looks, wigs, makeup, and

867
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 4: did the whole thing. Didn't get the show, but I

868
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 4: got They called me back and we're like, well, there's

869
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 4: one reason you're here. It's you from the video, like

870
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,879
Speaker 4: and you know, I've actually used that video for other things.

871
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:51,879
Speaker 1: Really so good fun.

872
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 2: Didn't get the show, but also point a difference and

873
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:58,359
Speaker 2: like so that they say a lot in casting. If

874
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 2: I do a casting workshop in America, they're like so

875
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 2: many people to make the exact same choices, do the

876
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 2: exact same thing, and like this is what I think

877
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 2: they want as opposed to like what's true to.

878
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 4: Me, right, if I'm going to be known for something,

879
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 4: it's like that guy that like what so good.

880
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 2: A lot of actors say a secret trick is definitely

881
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 2: having a prop or making a costume choice that like

882
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Speaker 2: is true for you. But also they're going to be like,

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Speaker 2: oh that person did something different.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that might not work for everyone. I'm sure there

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Speaker 4: are casting directors out there who are like, how dare you?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that is the wrong advice.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but yeah, definitely my path is like, well, that's

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Speaker 4: not the casting director for me, then yeah, if they're

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Speaker 4: blocking you from that project, I don't necessarily believe in

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Speaker 4: the universe. But it's like, well that's I want to

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Speaker 4: work with people who look at that and be like,

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Speaker 4: oh yeah, fun fun, because I want to have fun.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh I love it. I could talk to you

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Speaker 1: all day long. Thank you so much for jumping on

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Speaker 1: this pot of Roon's pleasure. You nailed it, pleasure. Did

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Speaker 1: you have fun?

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Speaker 4: I did?

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Speaker 3: This was my creative project for the day. Well you

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Speaker 3: can go back to sleep.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, tick tick tick. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. As always,

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Speaker 2: thank you to our guests, and let's continue the conversation

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Speaker 2: on Instagram. I'm at Yamo Lollerberry. This Potty my work

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Speaker 2: for podcast is available on all streaming platforms. I'd love

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Speaker 2: it if you could subscribe, rape and comment, and of

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Speaker 2: course spread the love.