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Speaker 1: Well it is no doubt going to be a big show.

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Speaker 1: And joining us in the studio this morning. From the

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Speaker 1: Labor Party Minister Kate Warden, Good morning to.

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Speaker 2: You, morning Katy, Good morning to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: We've got Kathleen Casola from nine years Star and good

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Speaker 1: morning it has it's been a while, welcome back. And

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Speaker 1: we've got keys Heer Puic the Independent member for going

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Speaker 1: he good morning, Keezier.

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Speaker 3: Morning Katy, Morning bush people.

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Speaker 4: And from the colp Mary Claire Booth me good.

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Speaker 3: Morning to you, Good morning listeners.

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Speaker 4: And I'll tell you what. It's been a busy week.

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Speaker 1: It feels like every week is a busy week at

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Speaker 1: the moment, but it is an election year, so I

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Speaker 1: suppose that is always the case.

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Speaker 5: It's busy every day.

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Speaker 3: She does.

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Speaker 4: She cares about her electric She also.

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Speaker 2: Looks ten years younger.

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Speaker 3: She dropped me and stick around.

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Speaker 1: Much of the world is off your shoulders. Well, look,

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Speaker 1: there is so much to cover off this morning. But

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Speaker 1: the long awaited police review was indeed released. It's been

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Speaker 1: in the making for around seven months, conducted by former

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Speaker 1: police officer and head of the union Vince Kelly, and

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Speaker 1: it made eighteen recommendations. Now fifteen of those recommendations out

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Speaker 1: of that review were accepted by the Lawla led government.

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Speaker 1: They don't accept the recommendation to reduce palis or the

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Speaker 1: discontinuation of private security. The government also didn't accept the

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Speaker 1: recommendation that private a private company be used to transport prisoners. Now,

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Speaker 1: the COLP was of the same view when I spoke

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Speaker 1: but the Chief Minister had said that they need to

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Speaker 1: take a common sense approach to keep the community safe.

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Speaker 1: She described it as a landmark report and said that

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Speaker 1: there will be a team which works on those recommendations

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Speaker 1: to ensure that they are implemented. Look, there is no

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Speaker 1: doubt that this is something that I think everybody's been

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Speaker 1: you know, just how short we are when it comes

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Speaker 1: of the terrible incidents that we're seeing across the Northern territory.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Katie.

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Speaker 5: I think we can acknowledge he's done a really good job.

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Speaker 5: He hasn't put out, you know, two hundred and fifty recommendations.

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Speaker 5: He's given eighteen quite straightforward recommendations to government and of

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Speaker 5: course we have accepted fifteen of those and we're heading towards.

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Speaker 2: What this does though, it stops the back and.

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Speaker 2: Was suctional number or not data.

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Speaker 7: review it is almost it's been so long in the making,

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Speaker 7: Like the CLP has called in Parliament seven times for

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Speaker 2: Was not designed that way.

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Speaker 1: It didn't include sort of having a look at policy

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Speaker 5: But the review does talk about the fact that police

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Speaker 2: That's really clear.

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Speaker 1: But do you see areologing what you've said like that

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Speaker 4: So that's where I take on.

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Speaker 2: But it's in the number.

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Speaker 2: So absolutely not good enough.

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Speaker 5: Intervention not only with that child but also with that family.

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Speaker 2: None of us think it is, Katie.

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Speaker 5: But we're rolling out the corresponding model and we will

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Speaker 2: So it is a good response model.

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Speaker 1: the Cat and Kate show.

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Speaker 2: I will communicate Mike.

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Speaker 4: There is no doubt about that.

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Speaker 7: The review does talk about resources, and of course both

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Speaker 2: You know, all of these.

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Speaker 5: And so as Police Minister, one of the excellent things

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Speaker 2: The review, the amount of quiet and communities.

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Speaker 2: They're brilliant.

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Speaker 5: So the investment and that I think going back, Jamie

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Speaker 5: They know the nuance is in a community, They understand

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Speaker 4: Do you accept that or do you know?

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Speaker 5: To walk around with your eyes closed if you didn't

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Speaker 2: Of course, there's systemic racism in so many different ways

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's across the country, it's across the world, and

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Speaker 5: And these revelations very very disheartening. Makes it incredibly sad

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Speaker 9: Here we've at school with abigal kids and also these

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Speaker 9: But this is two thousand and eight, and I'm not

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Speaker 2: Don't know you wrong, it's unacceptable.

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Speaker 9: The people who are around then, I bet you them

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Speaker 5: stands around, and we've got to make sure that you

448
00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:44,720
Speaker 5: cut it out from every level that you can.

449
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Speaker 9: If there's more, well there's more, and the police commissioner

450
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Speaker 9: and others will have to deal with it if.

451
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Speaker 3: It comes to light, and well, look that's a sad reality.

452
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Speaker 1: We might take a quick break because there is still

453
00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:56,960
Speaker 1: so much to cover off. I am keen to talk

454
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Speaker 1: about the situation in Alice Springs in just a moment's

455
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Speaker 1: time to mix one oh four point nine three sixty.

456
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Speaker 4: It is the week that was.

457
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Speaker 1: If you've just joined us this morning, well it is

458
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Speaker 1: an all female lineup. We've got Kate Water, We've got

459
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Speaker 1: Kathleen Gazola, Kezier Purica, Marie Claire Boothby. Now we know

460
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Speaker 1: that on Tuesday afternoon, the Northern Territory Chief Minister announts

461
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Speaker 1: that she'd be extending the youth curfew in Alice Springs

462
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Speaker 1: for a further six dates. The extension covers the entire

463
00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:27,520
Speaker 1: school holidays, with crime dramatically decreasing according to local leaders.

464
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Speaker 1: The governments say that they're going to continue those updates

465
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Speaker 1: on the longer.

466
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Speaker 4: Term plans in Alice Springs.

467
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Speaker 1: In fact, as I understand it, the Chief Minister there

468
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Speaker 1: today about a little bit later this morning announcing some

469
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Speaker 1: of those longer term plans. But we also know a

470
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Speaker 1: group of ten South Australian Police officers have been sworn

471
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Speaker 1: in or they're about to be, or have been into

472
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Speaker 1: no into the Northern Territory Police Force to assist the

473
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Speaker 1: police there. Look from all accounts, there has been, like

474
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Speaker 1: I think it's been quite a pause, a positive move

475
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Speaker 1: in the sense that locals are really receiving some respite

476
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Speaker 1: at this point in time in Alice. The Chief Minister

477
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Speaker 1: saying to me on the show earlier this week that

478
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Speaker 1: she's wondering how, really, past Tuesday, how she can sort

479
00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,880
Speaker 1: of keep the impacts or the effects of a curfew

480
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Speaker 1: in place post Tuesday without having to have a curfew

481
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Speaker 1: in place.

482
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Speaker 10: That'll be the difficult that'll be the extremely difficult thing.

483
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Speaker 10: I think there is no question the curfew had to

484
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Speaker 10: continue given school holidays and obviously Parchure myselts down there tonight.

485
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Speaker 10: We saw issues with Parchmer last year with some kids

486
00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:41,120
Speaker 10: running them up down there, which really impacts that tourism product,

487
00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,720
Speaker 10: so I think that they had to extend it. But yeah,

488
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Speaker 10: I mean it's going to be extremely difficult because obviously

489
00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,960
Speaker 10: those South Australian police can't stay down there. Of course

490
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:53,800
Speaker 10: those pally's, those then new constables. No doubt we'll head

491
00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:57,320
Speaker 10: back there once they're they're trained up. But still we

492
00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,000
Speaker 10: are seeing certain issues on the fringes of that curfew

493
00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:04,359
Speaker 10: with young people, so it'll be very interesting to see

494
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,919
Speaker 10: what plays out because there had already been things in

495
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,919
Speaker 10: place in the town where kids who were found on

496
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,240
Speaker 10: the streets in the night were meant to be already

497
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Speaker 10: taken back to safe places and not being on the streets.

498
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Speaker 2: So I think in part, you know, I've just been

499
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Speaker 2: to Alice myself.

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Speaker 5: I went down to actually chat with the DV services

501
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Speaker 5: and see the impact of the curfew on that because

502
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Speaker 5: there was a lot of rhetoric going around about you

503
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,320
Speaker 5: know that dv's down and all those sorts of things.

504
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Speaker 11: So I thought, what did you find because you were

505
00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:32,120
Speaker 11: very anti curfew.

506
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:36,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, so evidence show tells you that police end

507
00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,600
Speaker 5: up being And so when I was speaking out in

508
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,040
Speaker 5: my role as police minister, I'll be very clear about this,

509
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:42,959
Speaker 5: the advice from the police at the time is they

510
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,000
Speaker 5: didn't want to curfew because they felt that they would

511
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:46,919
Speaker 5: be just transporting kids home all the time and they

512
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:48,000
Speaker 5: would become a transport.

513
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,159
Speaker 2: I mean, we've got the point that and good on Eva.

514
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,800
Speaker 5: She dug herself in and said no and back to

515
00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:55,440
Speaker 5: herself and said, let's give it a go. Let's give

516
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:57,800
Speaker 5: anything a go because we need to have a short circuit.

517
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Speaker 5: And it has given that breaker. And it's really to see,

518
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 5: to be honest, that people are taking back that CBD

519
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:07,720
Speaker 5: area and young seeing groups of young women out, seeing

520
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,119
Speaker 5: groups of you know, families out, the fact that you

521
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 5: need to going out and having restaurants and stuff like

522
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,639
Speaker 5: that really taking back that CBD. So it's worked from

523
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 5: that perspective, and I also understand from chatting to people

524
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,639
Speaker 5: that there's lots of really positive interactions between police and

525
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 5: young people on the fringes that you're talking about.

526
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,920
Speaker 8: Government have given it a crack earlier lots of work.

527
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 5: Well, the evidence told you and the police didn't want

528
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 5: it cut. So I'm not going to go and at

529
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:31,720
Speaker 5: the time you make a decision, when you're a minister,

530
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 5: you make a decision based on what you've got ahead

531
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:34,680
Speaker 5: of you.

532
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 1: We do you understand what the evidence was or where

533
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 1: the evidence was coming from. Those now it shows that it's.

534
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,200
Speaker 5: Worked, But you can't even see the local member of

535
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 5: Robin Lamley was for a curfew, was against curfew, and

536
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:49,160
Speaker 5: there's lots of them. She against it for a long time.

537
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:50,120
Speaker 2: You can see when she was.

538
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 8: A longer she's been in favor.

539
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 5: But when she was in government she said no to

540
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 5: a curfew. She changed her mind and then she's gone back. Look,

541
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 5: everybody can change their mind and can.

542
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Speaker 2: Be honest, you can. Actually I'm going to own it.

543
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Speaker 5: I did get the advice at the time not to

544
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:03,359
Speaker 5: do it, and I didn't do it. We've done it

545
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 5: now and would retrospectively, would I have liked to have

546
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 5: done it back then?

547
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 2: Absolutely, if with if this was the.

548
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 5: Outcome, I'm not going to sit here and say you

549
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,640
Speaker 5: know one hundred percent right all the time.

550
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 2: It's a minister's tafe advice and that's what I took

551
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 2: at the time.

552
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Speaker 1: And as the minister now still for for Family and

553
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 1: Domestic violence, have you seen a reduction now?

554
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:25,159
Speaker 4: Well, what's what are you as a.

555
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 5: Time like on data, Katie, And I'm going to wait

556
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 5: to see the data to talk with any authority, but

557
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,879
Speaker 5: I'm talking to the services down there and that's what I.

558
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:32,680
Speaker 2: Did last week.

559
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,680
Speaker 5: They are still seeing a large number of women in

560
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:40,119
Speaker 5: their services right as we are up here. So the

561
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,920
Speaker 5: overall thing for me is to get more money into

562
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 5: the pot and keep funding really good early intervention services

563
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 5: like Men's Behavior change, which we're looking at and analyzing

564
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 5: and making sure it works.

565
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 10: Have they been able to see more police response to

566
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 10: certain calls for help because some of those officers may

567
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,360
Speaker 10: have been tied up in the CBD dealing it found

568
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 10: of that end.

569
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, So that's police data, so we'll see that and

570
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,400
Speaker 5: there's always a lag on that because it comes through weirdly.

571
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 2: Through the Attorney General.

572
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:08,880
Speaker 8: That has been a positive in that aspect.

573
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 5: Yet they're not seeing an escalation, which is one of

574
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 5: the things you don't want to see, is it pushed

575
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 5: to the side and then an escalation of DV on

576
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 5: places because people are in those spaces, and whilst we

577
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 5: know that we saw a reduction in DV for things

578
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:23,920
Speaker 5: like COVID, what we found is it wasn't being reported

579
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,639
Speaker 5: and people in the family unit work experiencing.

580
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think that's why, you know, we've called for

581
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 7: the curfew to be extended for a few more weeks

582
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:33,880
Speaker 7: because you really do need that data.

583
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 2: It's very hard to capture a.

584
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 7: Set of data to see if it's working or not

585
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 7: if in that time we had those changes of paleis

586
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 7: on bottle shops, et cetera, which we know does have

587
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 7: an impact. So that's why we call for it to

588
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:45,640
Speaker 7: be extended. So far that that has been the case,

589
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 7: it's going to be Tuesday, and it is really important

590
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 7: that we have that data so we can do exactly

591
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 7: what Cave is talking about it and seeing what's working

592
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 7: and what's not. But what I find really interesting in

593
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 7: this whole mix is that you know, Alice Springs in particular,

594
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 7: like it has been literally burning down to the ground

595
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 7: for some time now, and this problem has been it's

596
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 7: been labor that's created this this crime crisis down there,

597
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 7: and then they come in you know, the last minute

598
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 7: just before an election and they do this snap curfew

599
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 7: for just a few short weeks. It's kind of like,

600
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,880
Speaker 7: you know, burning down your house and then Eva coming

601
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:21,360
Speaker 7: out with a garden hose to put it out.

602
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 1: Like, look, I get what you're saying, but what i've

603
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 1: what I do think the Chief Minister did, and and

604
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 1: you know many listening this morning would argue that the

605
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 1: former Chief ministers didn't, is that she actually she stood

606
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 1: up to the loud naysayers and said, do you know what,

607
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 1: I'm going to give this a crack, regardless of good

608
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 1: of what common sense approach.

609
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 4: I'm going to take it.

610
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 1: You know, I'm going to take this approach, and not

611
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 1: everybody's going to like it, but the people of Alice

612
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 1: Springs deserve it.

613
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 4: So I'll give her credit for that.

614
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 9: What the curf you said was people under the age

615
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 9: of eighteen should not be in this area between these

616
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 9: hours unless you have a good reason.

617
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:57,439
Speaker 8: So I figure out there if you're a company by

618
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 8: an adult, or you're coming by an adut.

619
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Speaker 9: So if you're just going your normal business for whatever reason,

620
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,199
Speaker 9: you too grown ups two seventy year olds going out

621
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 9: for lunch or dinner together, whatever, and you can tell

622
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 9: the police. Then they'll probably say we'll hurry up, get

623
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 9: there in your home or whatever. But I think what

624
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,199
Speaker 9: I observed them from talking to some people down there

625
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 9: is it did tend to push the crime out of

626
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 9: that area.

627
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 3: Because I know in the India we're not seeing that.

628
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not hearing that we're seeing that.

629
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,719
Speaker 3: But in the industrial area there was breakings and car

630
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 3: thefts down swith Street.

631
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 8: There were these releases, I'd say.

632
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 9: Because that wasn't the curfew area, So I'm not the

633
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 9: client just didn't disappear if it went out and those

634
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 9: young people had to go home or stay home in

635
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 9: a safe place. So I think we've got to be

636
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 9: a bit careful, like you're gathering data from CBD curfew

637
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 9: kind of area, but there was still crime happening outside

638
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 9: of that, to be.

639
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 4: Looking at the data as well from outside, I would hope.

640
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,239
Speaker 2: So, because I think it's a really clear point, Can

641
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 2: I make a quick point.

642
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 5: We live in an age of social medium and I

643
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 5: think we can all acknowledge that that it's changed the

644
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,239
Speaker 5: face of politics, and you know all not just here

645
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 5: in the Northern Territory but everywhere. What this has done

646
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 5: is also not given the kid the opportunity to be

647
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 5: in that free Wi Fi area in the CBD. And

648
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,640
Speaker 5: it's something that I've been raising for a while because

649
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 5: if you cut a do off, what happens then is

650
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 5: that there's a safety issue for people being able to

651
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 5: call out. But when you push the kids out of

652
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 5: that CBD and you're allowing it to come back to

653
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 5: some normality, what happens then is you've got no they've

654
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 5: got no ability to brag about what they've done. And

655
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 5: I think that partly played into what we saw going on.

656
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,880
Speaker 1: There's going to be people listening this morning thinking to themselves,

657
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 1: if that's the case, why.

658
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 4: Didn't you do it?

659
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 2: Because the advice was not but even with.

660
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 4: The WiFi, and I mean, it's sort of when you

661
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:35,120
Speaker 4: look at.

662
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 11: It and still and that's what doesn't get me from

663
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 11: the government.

664
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 8: Now, why are we not already.

665
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 10: Introducing this posting and boasting laws when we've seen New

666
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 10: South Wales, I've already done it, Queensland we're talking about it.

667
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 10: Why is the chief Minister writing to matter what Zuckerberg

668
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 10: is going to look at his email and go, oh,

669
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 10: the chief minister in a non territory.

670
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 11: I better respond to that before we introduce this legislation.

671
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 8: Introduce the legislation and an email Marks Kabug, you have

672
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 8: that conversation. We already know the issues.

673
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 1: Now you can do it.

674
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:03,719
Speaker 5: You can.

675
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 2: We're assuming that we don't and we could.

676
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 8: Pass say that.

677
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 1: I interviewed the Chief Minister about this a couple of

678
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: weeks ago. She said to me that it would be

679
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 1: part of the review into youth justice. So that's the

680
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: end of the year. So that's not fast enough.

681
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 4: That's not as fast as the community Monday and.

682
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 3: Make all of those changes.

683
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 7: We've brought on urgency many many times before, and we've

684
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 7: made snap changes. It is absolutely possible if anyone. I'm

685
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 7: sure territories aren't fools. They know things can be done.

686
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: And they're not think anybody would be opposed to it. Hey,

687
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 1: I actually think that like every territorium would think to themselves,

688
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: do you know what this is a good idea? If

689
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: you've got kids that are sharing, that are sharing vision

690
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: of stealing cars, Yes, why don't we.

691
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 8: Take a step forward and get on top.

692
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 3: Of it across your social media?

693
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 9: Because I think I mentioned this previously or somewhere. It's

694
00:29:58,560 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 9: on Instagram too, and.

695
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 3: There's fight I won't absolutely won't mention those.

696
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 9: Names and colleges, but they're there, and yes you can

697
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 9: report it, but there should be some law that says

698
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 9: take that down, you kids, or else you're going to

699
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 9: get charged with X y Z.

700
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 10: And it's so difficult to get any actual help for

701
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 10: the police from Facebook or Meta whoever they are now

702
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 10: because it gets deleted if you don't provide a certain

703
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 10: IP address, if you don't do XYZ. So if the

704
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 10: legislation is in place, then you can already start making

705
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 10: those around now.

706
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 4: I do just want to make mention as well.

707
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: While discussing the situation in Alice, springstt Marian Scrimjaw was

708
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: on Sky News a bit earlier this week. She called

709
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: for change in government legislation to designate organizations in the

710
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 1: Northern Territory so they can be subject to scrutiny over

711
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: how they spend funding from the federal government. So as

712
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:47,959
Speaker 1: we know, the two hundred and fifty million dollar package

713
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: for Alice in Central Australia was revealed in the federal

714
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: budget last year, with those plans to improve education, health

715
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: and infrastructure. However, questions have persisted on how the funding

716
00:30:58,480 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: has been put to use.

717
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 4: So far, with youth crime remaining on the rise as

718
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 4: we know now.

719
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: On Wednesday, Marian Scrimdaw said that she'd reached out to

720
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: the Indigenous Australians Minister Linda Burney as well as the

721
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: Attorney General Mark Drefers to adjust the Public Governance, Performance

722
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: and Accountability Act.

723
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 4: So she said she's written to them to.

724
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: Take a look at tweaking that Act to get greater

725
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 1: accountability for all organizations, not just land councils, but all

726
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: organizations that receive government funding that they move under that legislation,

727
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 1: which has oversight from the Order to General. She said

728
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: she thinks that it needs to start happening because this

729
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: is taxpayer's money. It comes from the federal government and

730
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: there needs to be greater accountability in there.

731
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 5: Yes, it's interesting, isn't it, because this is federal government money,

732
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 5: and in Central Australia, the federal government has chosen to

733
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 5: direct fund organizations, so if they're putting some money out,

734
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 5: they're directly funding and so then the Northern Territory government

735
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 5: has no visibility over that unless they tell us about it,

736
00:31:58,280 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 5: and often you'll hear about it in and out.

737
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 2: That's the way these things roll.

738
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 5: There is a coordinated plan for that money and it's

739
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 5: been done between two officers. But the federal government is

740
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 5: managing their own money and putting it directly into the community.

741
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 2: When we have funds going.

742
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 5: Out, we do have an accountability piece with it, and

743
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 5: they have to equit that funds in accordance with the grant.

744
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 3: That they get.

745
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 4: KPIs to meet absolutely.

746
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 2: And every grant that goes out.

747
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 5: So if you've got someone like Gap Youth Center in

748
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 5: Alice Springs, if you've got any of those services the Jesuits,

749
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 5: they have to provide a feedback and.

750
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 2: Data around what they're delivering on the ground in Alice Springs.

751
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:37,479
Speaker 4: It's unbelievable that that's not in place the federal government.

752
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 5: They would want to be looking at that very closely

753
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 5: because it's there with us, and you have to acquit

754
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 5: every fund bit of funding that goes to your organizations.

755
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 2: Will it is so, I mean, I was a bit

756
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 2: amused by it as well.

757
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 5: I thought, wow, really that should have been in place

758
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 5: before the two fifty hit the ground, and now they're

759
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 5: in that situation.

760
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 2: But they have chosen they could have.

761
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 5: Aspiced the Northern Territory government to deliver it in sight areas,

762
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 5: not in all areas, out into particular areas, but they haven't.

763
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 5: They've decided to direct fund and that's their decision because

764
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 5: it's their money. But I would want to have some

765
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 5: oversight about where it's being spent too.

766
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 7: There is so much federal funding though that comes into

767
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 7: the territory that does go to the Northern Territory government.

768
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 4: For you to we quit it, how you need to?

769
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 2: So can we acquit it?

770
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 8: Okay?

771
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 7: So if you're acquitting it and you are saying it's

772
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 7: going to all of the right places, how come we

773
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 7: don't have better outcomes?

774
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 8: What is missing from that piece?

775
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 7: I mean, good on Marian for calling for the federal

776
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 7: government to change that, because the territory government is failing

777
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 7: territorians at it. We've got all this money pouring in,

778
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 7: We've got worse outcomes than ever before. I think good

779
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 7: on Marion. I say, because I tell you what, the

780
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 7: c orp are not going to stand for. These territorians

781
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 7: out there are telling us every single day how terrified

782
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 7: they are in their own homes. There's a so much

783
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 7: money around, which money so we go to the order

784
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 7: and all the territory order for all the money that

785
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 7: comes into the territory, what.

786
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 5: Specifically for you, which program is failing for you. Let's

787
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 5: name a program, though, Give us a.

788
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 8: Program that happened with orders.

789
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 5: Give us a program to be very specific, because you're

790
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 5: never specific. You're go on a rant about crime. What

791
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 5: specific program here in the Northern Territory, Which specific government

792
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,280
Speaker 5: or non government organization that's getting funding is not delivering?

793
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 7: We need to work out what's working and what's not.

794
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 7: At the moment, Territorians cannot feel that.

795
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 3: Do you know they are feeling frightened?

796
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 2: How did you know?

797
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 5: Because you never ask a question. You never ask any

798
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 5: questions about programs you've never done.

799
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 9: You should just move on and get me focused. Because

800
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 9: I in some ways I agree with marrit and I

801
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 9: agree with Kate that you know sometimes you want we'd

802
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 9: show many examples.

803
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 3: I get all that, But the.

804
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,720
Speaker 9: Bottom line is thousands and hundreds of millions of dollars

805
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 9: territory and into the land councils via mineral royalties and

806
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 9: totally in.

807
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 2: The space of the federal government and Marianne.

808
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 4: But you can't just say.

809
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 8: I was in Alice Springs.

810
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 10: I was in Alice Springs when the Prime Minister did

811
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 10: his whistle stopped tour down there with I think you

812
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 10: were their case as were Yeah, I was in Melanderie Marion, Linda, Bernie.

813
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 8: Tash and all that.

814
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,760
Speaker 11: I remember Natasha saying that I'm being described as a groupie.

815
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:13,800
Speaker 10: Audit actually conducted of services in our springs and that

816
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 10: hasn't happened.

817
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 4: That that has happened.

818
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:16,800
Speaker 2: Sorry, that has happened.

819
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 4: We had all of it.

820
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 3: Where is it youth services?

821
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 5: There has there's been an audit of use services and

822
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 5: we figured well, churchy families did the audit with ministry

823
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 5: and cabinet.

824
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 11: I think Matt Person has said there's twenty plus service providers.

825
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 3: Sound spoken about this.

826
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 8: How are we still in the say this is like?

827
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 9: This is the thing I had spoken on this show previously.

828
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 9: I was on a select committee that looked into youth

829
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 9: suicide and we went to our springs and we heard

830
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 9: submissions from various people and in Tenna Creek, et cetera.

831
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 9: And there was and now I'm going back ten years

832
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 9: that when Labor was in government, there was about twenty

833
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 9: thirty give or take organizations service funding delivering to youth services.

834
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 9: And they didn't even talk to each other, and they

835
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 9: didn't even know these others existed as happened in ten Greek.

836
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,800
Speaker 9: We're talking churches, we're talking ngngos with you in land councils,

837
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 9: we're talking feel good their philanthropic kind of organizations, all

838
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 9: doing their little bit, no coordination, And how do we

839
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 9: know that that money has been infectively Why.

840
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 4: People are asking that question.

841
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: Look, we have no orders ten years ago, and look

842
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: people are still questioning if you know, when you look

843
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 1: at the amount of money that is being poured into

844
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: somewhere like Alice Springs, how then you know an audit

845
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: is found into youth services, or if there is an

846
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,959
Speaker 1: ordered into youth services, it's found that you know, maybe

847
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: some money needs to be redirected in some way. But

848
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 1: we're still winding up in the situation where we've then

849
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 1: got a youth curfew in town. It really makes you

850
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: question whether that money is actually going to the right

851
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: areas and whether the KPIs are being next.

852
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 8: So can I just.

853
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 5: To those youth services and I engage with youth services

854
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 5: across other springs and they do have cohorts of kids

855
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 5: that go to see them, and for those kids that

856
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 5: they are seeing, they are keeping those kids in a

857
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 5: safe environment and working with their families.

858
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 2: I think what we've got is we've got a lot

859
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 2: more kids, probably a lot more than when tend.

860
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 5: Tees desigration and you've got bush migration and families coming

861
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 5: in with young kids that are not actually engaged with

862
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 5: those services.

863
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 2: I don't think these kids.

864
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 5: I've walked around multiple multiple times at night time with

865
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 5: the Territory Families Youth Justice officers, and they walk around

866
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:26,919
Speaker 5: and engageable kids. And I've been there when they've said

867
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 5: I don't know that kid, and I don't know that kid,

868
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 5: and they make a bee line for them and try

869
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 5: and get them into services, and then they get them

870
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 5: onto the bus and out to one of the you know,

871
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 5: the youth centers.

872
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 2: There's a lot of collaboration that does go on in

873
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:38,280
Speaker 2: other springs.

874
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 5: So I'm not going to sit here and accept that

875
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 5: there is no talk between but what we do need

876
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 5: to know and people need to understand there's a lot

877
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 5: more kids. It's not you know that there is a

878
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 5: cohort of kids that are getting very well supported in

879
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 5: other springs.

880
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 2: They're going to school every day.

881
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:52,320
Speaker 1: You know.

882
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 5: Gavin Morris Iprunya is his numbers of kids that he's

883
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:56,760
Speaker 5: got engages.

884
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 4: Trip increased justification.

885
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:00,399
Speaker 2: It's really positive things.

886
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 5: There are just a lot more kids and I you know,

887
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 5: urban migration, that drift into town is a real thing

888
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 5: and we need to all get our heads around it.

889
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 1: Look, we are going to have to take a break.

890
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: You are listening to mix one oh four nine's three sixteen. Well,

891
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: the Senate hearings this week into Middle Arm, the Middle

892
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: Arm project got underway. I know the coalition well, they

893
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,359
Speaker 1: presented a united front yesterday saying that it was more

894
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 1: of a circus than a Senate inquiry. The Chief Minister,

895
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 1: Evil Lula fronted that inquiry as well. And I've got

896
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: to tell you I've got a message here from Jerry Wood.

897
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: I'm going to read it out very quickly. It said, Hi, Katie,

898
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: regardless of your views about Evil Laula, she's the Chief

899
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: Minister of the Northern Territory and should be treated with respect.

900
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: The Left Green Senate committee should have done the same,

901
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: and the way they ran yesterday's hearing showed a lack

902
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 1: of respect for not only the Chief Minister but also

903
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: the Senate. A similar Left Green hearing some years ago,

904
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: when Adam Giles was the Chief Minister was also disrespectful.

905
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:58,240
Speaker 1: Perhaps we need an independent inquiry into how the Senate

906
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: committees are formed and right so they're well balanced politically.

907
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:04,760
Speaker 3: Love Jerry Katie, Thanks Jerry.

908
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 9: These these do goody senators from Cambus to just piss

909
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,399
Speaker 9: off home back to Canberra and stop wasting tax base,

910
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 9: my tax dollars and I've paid a lot of tax.

911
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 3: Let me tell it as people in this room do

912
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 3: they are?

913
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 9: They are horrent, they do gooders, and they're just trying

914
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 9: to get a public stage to promote their own personal

915
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 9: causes at the expense of the territory, at the expenses

916
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 9: dis jobs for us to disrespect the Chief Minister. How

917
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 9: would they feel if we went down to Canberra and

918
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 9: disrespected the Prime Minister or disrespected the degree that something

919
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 9: like that, you know, that is a disgrace to them.

920
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 8: Again, and the Northern Territory being treated like a poor

921
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 8: The thing that.

922
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: I thought that was really quite ridiculous though as well,

923
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,839
Speaker 1: is that you've got hearation. Well you've got a hearing,

924
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,399
Speaker 1: but you don't even invite the gas industry along. I mean,

925
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 1: I think if you're going to have a hearing, if

926
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: you're going to have a discussion, I mean look at

927
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: us this morning. You've got people of all different political

928
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 1: persuasions and yes, I know we talk over each other

929
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: a bit, but everybody respects each other and respects each other's.

930
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 4: Different points of view. If you can't hold a hearing

931
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 4: and do that, what is the point Katie.

932
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 3: That handsome young woman.

933
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 9: Apart from pissing off back to Canberra, she's just a

934
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 9: disgraceful operator because when she's losing arguments and this is

935
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 9: so typical of the lefty Greens, not U, Kate, do

936
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 9: I look.

937
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 3: Do I typical of these.

938
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 9: Lefty Greens is they start to play the man to

939
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 9: use that code and not the game. They've got no

940
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 9: valid arguments, so they start to attack the people and

941
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 9: that is disgraceful.

942
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 3: She should just agree.

943
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 10: So people play it that way, I think people turn off.

944
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 10: They're not willing to listen to that side of the

945
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 10: argument or their concerns.

946
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 8: And that kind of thing.

947
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 10: And there are valid concerns around a massive project, absolutely

948
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 10: when there's a happening and there's different technologies and all

949
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 10: the rest of it. But you'd hope, and i'd imagine

950
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 10: Kate would back this up, is that you learn from

951
00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 10: the mistakes of other areas and you put in those

952
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 10: mental regulations.

953
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 11: And as you know, we have two years in thousands

954
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 11: of jobs for the Northern Territory.

955
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 10: Everyone bags us about going to Canberra with a cap

956
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 10: in hand about how much money GST we get, and

957
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 10: here it is trying to make something that will actually

958
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 10: generate revenue that can help fix some of the challenges

959
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 10: that we've got.

960
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 2: If some of these.

961
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 10: Major groups who are based elsewhere and have nothing to

962
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 10: do with the Northern Territory on a day to day

963
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 10: actually spent that money towards some of the issues that

964
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 10: we have here, perhaps those things might actually go.

965
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 1: Yeah.

966
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 5: Absolutely, it's such an important project for the territory. Thousands

967
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 5: and thousands of jobs. We're two years into an environmental

968
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 5: report about the cumulative potential com cumulative palms, which will

969
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:43,720
Speaker 5: give us the benchmarks like we did with the Shariba

970
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 5: with the gas production in the first place. We've got

971
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 5: those benchmarks as technical work that's been done. It's like

972
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 5: they don't trust the territory to do itself. And we

973
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 5: are a mature mob, like I don't care what people say.

974
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 5: We might do things differently.

975
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 2: We might be a bit more.

976
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 5: Casually dressed and et cetera, et cetera. But we are ourselves,

977
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,839
Speaker 5: We are so capable in this space. It's like they're

978
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 5: second judging us.

979
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 9: Also, they're also disrespectful towards the high level of public servants,

980
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 9: couragative departments, to the working protu and also disrespectful to

981
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 9: the scientist and the.

982
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 3: Consultant, everybody that's working and one that works with.

983
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 9: An environmental assessment. There's a whole range of people. So

984
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 9: they've been disrespectful for those people as well, you know,

985
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 9: And that's that's what they don't see because it's so emotionally.

986
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 2: And look, I.

987
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 1: Totally understand, like you said, you know, people are going

988
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: to have concerns around the environment.

989
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 4: There's going to be concerns.

990
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 1: But that is why an enormous amount of work has

991
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: to get underway before the project goes ahead.

992
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,800
Speaker 5: When the lights go out in the Eastern Seaboard and

993
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 5: they want our gas and they're already shutting off gas

994
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 5: new gas connections in Victoria in the domestic space, then

995
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 5: they will come beg into the territory and we will

996
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:49,720
Speaker 5: be in control.

997
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 2: Maybe that's what it's really about. They don't want us

998
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 2: to be in control of any of their future energy and.

999
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 3: People that to gainst statehood as well.

1000
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 2: Absolutely datehood would get us there, and we want to

1001
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 2: have togue with them.

1002
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 10: He just comments that was made by one of the

1003
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 10: senators there Lydia Thorpe, saying that all ministers and people

1004
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:10,439
Speaker 10: in government were responsible for the Genocida First Nations people.

1005
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 2: That's just embarrassing.

1006
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:16,399
Speaker 8: Care just absolutely, that's she's a fool.

1007
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 1: Well, look we are going to we are going to

1008
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 1: take a quick break or Mary claims. Do you want

1009
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: to say something very quickly, You've got to jump in.

1010
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,280
Speaker 7: She supports middlem absolutely supports the CELP, is always supported

1011
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 7: on and offshore gas and we're the only party that's

1012
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 7: never failed from that. Absolutely supportive because we need our

1013
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 7: jobs here and exactly what Kathleen was saying about our

1014
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,800
Speaker 7: own source of revenue. And I'm just so glad that

1015
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 7: Kate agrees to because I know that not everyone in

1016
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 7: your party agrees, like you had to cancel the conference

1017
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 7: because of.

1018
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 5: Here. Don't lie on air, well, because you have no

1019
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 5: evidence that to lie on air, and I really don't

1020
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 5: like it when you come in here and you lie, well,

1021
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 5: you have no idea Aboutnister.

1022
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 2: Did not call to a liar. You aren't liar, because

1023
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 2: we did not cancel we designed.

1024
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:06,320
Speaker 4: I'm going to have to pull.

1025
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 1: Those microphones down because everybody's talking over the top of

1026
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,800
Speaker 1: the other each other. But I will say very quickly

1027
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:14,399
Speaker 1: that conference did get pulled off.

1028
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 2: Now, hang on, we're going to have it every second year,

1029
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 2: and we didn't have it.

1030
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 7: No.

1031
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 1: Also, well, I don't think it's appropriate to call Marie

1032
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 1: Claire a liar.

1033
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 2: He has different mechanisms. Were doing that in a different

1034
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 2: way this year because we have an election this year.

1035
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 2: We can't do both. But you have your little council

1036
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 2: things whatever.

1037
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:38,879
Speaker 1: Alright, we're going to take a quick break. We've only

1038
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: got a couple of minutes left. You are listening to

1039
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: Mix one O four nine's three sixty. Well, that is

1040
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 1: just about it for us this morning. At big thank

1041
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: you to Kate Warden, a Minister for various Portfolios and

1042
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 1: from the Labour Party and with us this morning.

1043
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 4: Thank you for your time, Thank you for having me.

1044
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: Kathleen Gazola from nine News Darwin, thanks so much for

1045
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: joining us this morning.

1046
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 9: Kezier Peerie, can I do a nice shout out to

1047
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 9: my Cambodian community because it's amazing it's the Boddish New

1048
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 9: Year tomorrow for my Cambodian friends, so I'm going out

1049
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 9: there to celebrate with them.

1050
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: Hey, just before I let you wrap up there, Casey,

1051
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:13,760
Speaker 1: how's all your crazy dogs?

1052
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 4: And they were running away the other way?

1053
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:18,800
Speaker 9: Here the four white ones that were seen in Fairer

1054
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 9: Yes Fara, yes, Fara.

1055
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:29,359
Speaker 3: Council, well, which council? Which field counsel or council. They've

1056
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:30,720
Speaker 3: been grounded. They've been grounded.

1057
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 4: I've been grounded.

1058
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 3: And the naughty ring leader Dante.

1059
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 4: And they're wearing trackers.

1060
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,479
Speaker 3: Now you've got trackers on them now, so we've.

1061
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 4: Got fitbits on how they kilometers?

1062
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 2: Are they running well?

1063
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 9: Interesting Katie, good question because one night they did seven

1064
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:49,800
Speaker 9: point five kilometers around the property theirs so spoke to

1065
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:51,320
Speaker 9: them about going to Tiger Country.

1066
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 3: I said, don't go there. That's the bad lads right.

1067
00:45:59,000 --> 00:45:59,320
Speaker 10: Mission.

1068
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 4: Thank you so much for your time next morning and.

1069
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 7: The I just want to wish all the rugby league

1070
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 7: fans and players of course, that the Round one kicks

1071
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 7: off this week.

1072
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 3: The Parmesan teams.

1073
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,240
Speaker 1: We're going to be talking rugby league after ten o'clock

1074
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 1: this morning. I'll be interviewing my brother from the Dolphins