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Speaker 1: If you're listening to the show last week, you'd know

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Speaker 1: was flown on a chartered aircraft at a cost to

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Speaker 1: taxpayers of more than seven thousand dollars, but after attending

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Speaker 1: the funeral, well, he ran away. Now the Chief Minister

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Speaker 1: Leofanocchiaro joins me on the show. Good morning to your chief.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie, and to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for your time this morning. Now I

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Speaker 1: will say that obviously that teenager has now been apprehended again.

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Speaker 1: But Chief Minister, territorians are absolutely furious. How on earth

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Speaker 1: can a teen who was charged over such a horrific

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Speaker 1: incident not only be granted bail, but taxpayers may pay

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Speaker 1: more than seven thousand dollars on a charter flight for

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Speaker 1: him to attend a funeral.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, Katie, and territorians have a right to

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Speaker 2: be furious. The Seguenza family has a right to be furious,

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Speaker 2: and I'm furious as well. This is totally unacceptable. It

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Speaker 2: just defies any logical understanding of how this happened, let

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Speaker 2: alone how tax payers paid for the opportunity. Now, it

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Speaker 2: was only a couple of years ago, Katie, when COVID

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Speaker 2: We were locked in our own homes in response to COVID,

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Speaker 2: law abiding citizens, and yet now we have a situation

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Speaker 2: having the opportunity to receive BAWD to go to a funeral.

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Speaker 2: I just it is absolutely unacceptable, and I will get

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Speaker 1: I mean, what was your reaction when you learned that

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Speaker 1: Judge Meredith Huntingford made this and not only made this decision,

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Speaker 1: but that then according to the Northern Tiro Train News,

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Speaker 1: over the weekend. Part of those bail conditions. This person

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Speaker 2: Or it is unacceptable. I've asked the Attorney General to

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Speaker 2: meet with the Chief Justice, Michael Grant, to ask what

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Speaker 2: kind of responsibility the judiciary take for the decisions they're making.

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Speaker 2: This has got to be much broader scale accountability across

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Speaker 2: the system. I know we have a broken justice system,

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Speaker 2: correction system and laws, and we're working through all of that,

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Speaker 2: but this one really takes the Kate Katie. It's flawed

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Speaker 2: all of us. And I rang the Seguenza family and

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Speaker 2: I mean, what else can you say to a family

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Speaker 1: If you did this, people would be screaming for you

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Speaker 1: to resign. Yes, consequences. We have people pulling you up

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Speaker 1: this is not okay. So what recourse the Territorians have

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Speaker 1: now when a judge makes a decision like this that

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Speaker 1: actually it doesn't meet the standard by which Territorians expect

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly right, and that's why the Attorney General

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Speaker 2: will now look at you know, do we need to

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Speaker 2: strengthen laws even further. At the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: judges are the ones who have to make the decisions

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Speaker 2: we will continue to walk back into Parliament and strengthen

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Speaker 1: So who determined that the taxpayer would foot the bill

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Speaker 2: So that's what I'm trying to work out because I

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Speaker 1: The well We only know about this, right because the

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Speaker 2: Wisk exactly what if he didn't, would we have known

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Speaker 1: So are you worried that this happened other times?

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Speaker 2: I am absolutely worried that this is just another symptom

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Speaker 1: Do you know which department the seven thousand dollars came

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Speaker 2: My understanding is it's children and families. But again I

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Speaker 2: But again, how was this authorized? What empowered the judge

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Speaker 1: I'll go a step further, and so the thing that

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Speaker 2: It is appalling. You know, they had to fly to

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Speaker 2: So yep, this is a total fail. This is a

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Speaker 2: total fail. And I'll work out why, and then it

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Speaker 1: So, Chief Minister, from your perspective in terms of the

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Speaker 2: Yeah? So I'm looking at all of those things right now, Katie.

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Speaker 2: How did this happen? Where does that power come from?

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Speaker 2: I just don't know. I just don't have it in

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Speaker 2: and if it's happened before, I'll be letting your listeners

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Speaker 1: Can you assure Territorians that this isn't going to happen again?

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Speaker 1: I mean, the thing that I can't write my head

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Speaker 1: this isn't coming out of my budget. Seven thousand dollars

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Speaker 2: On protecting a child protecting a child, And so I

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Speaker 2: part of this. But clearly it's been a big red

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Speaker 2: you know, with every day, Katie, there's a new sandwich

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Speaker 2: coming on my desk that's a courtesy of historical labor issues.

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Speaker 2: This is another one and we just works through it.

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Speaker 2: That's all I can say is that it is not acceptable.

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Speaker 2: I'm as angry as the community and will do what

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Speaker 1: So, Chief Minister, from your perspective, when do you think

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Speaker 1: when do you think we're going to see some change?

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Speaker 1: Because I know that our listeners want to be reassured

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Speaker 2: And that's what the Attorney will speak with the Chief

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Speaker 2: about it. I have nothing to hide here. If this

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Speaker 2: My focus then, of course, will shift to well what

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Speaker 1: The big thing that people were saying last week is,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm in furious agreement with you, Katie. I really,

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Speaker 1: Look, there is so much to cover off this morning.

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Speaker 1: how is that adequate for the loss of life? And

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Speaker 1: It's not as clear cut as oh, why couldn't he

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Speaker 1: be sentenced for longer? But you know, but people are

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Speaker 1: nothing wrong? Who's been killed them? Wind up? You know

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and again, you know, this is all part of

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Speaker 2: why we're in government, Katie. We've got to be looking

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Speaker 2: at our sentencing regimes, the Bail Act, the Youth Justice Act.

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Speaker 2: Do they still meet community expectation. I don't know the

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Speaker 2: specific details of that case, obviously, and you know, the

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Speaker 2: of them. But you know this will continue, This will

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Speaker 2: continue to be a vexed area, you know, an area

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Speaker 2: sure that we've got the most contemporary laws to suit

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Speaker 2: what territories need. So for example, the next big piece

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Speaker 2: but it's just an example of how we're of working

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Speaker 1: Chief FINESSTERA, Look, I don't know exactly what the situation

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Speaker 2: Look, I mean, they have legislation to follow as well,

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, it does. Look, there's a couple of other things

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Speaker 1: We did ask, We did speak to Luke Gosling on

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Speaker 2: I'm not one hundred percent aware of that, but that

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Speaker 1: Just finally, this morning, there we know that corrections workers

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Speaker 2: Now you know she's running this survey which might I add,

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Speaker 1: You reckon they're doing the dodgy that they're trying to

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Speaker 1: bully people into voting a service.

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Speaker 2: Well, why do they need to know people's names as

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Speaker 2: part of a survey. And oultimately, you know, where was

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Speaker 2: the union when labor were destroying corrections before the election.

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Speaker 2: So what we need is come. What we need is

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Speaker 2: support for our corrections offices. What we need is to

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Speaker 2: continue implementing our corrections master Plan, which is broad online.

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Speaker 2: You know around two hundred and sixty more beds since August, Katie,

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Speaker 2: There's no question they are doing it tough. They are

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Speaker 2: need to be doing so that they can focus on

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Speaker 2: the important stuff, which is inside prisons.

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Speaker 1: What is going to happen though, if staff don't have

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Speaker 1: confidence according to these results in the commissioner.

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Speaker 2: Look, I think the correction system is despite all of

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Speaker 2: the challenges, going well, and Commission of Vali is doing

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Speaker 2: a good job. We have thirteen hundred people in corrections,

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Speaker 2: so five hundred expressing their dissatisfaction as part of a

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Speaker 2: union survey. Okay, it can be noted, but ultimately we

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Speaker 2: have to continue to move forward. Thirty one recruits at

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Speaker 2: the college right now for correction staff. We're in negotiations

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Speaker 2: with the providers to come in and provide those prisoner

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Speaker 2: transfers and hospital visits. So we're on the cusp of

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Speaker 2: things improving and getting better, Katie, And every day we're

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Speaker 2: working hard to make sure there's more beds, more staff,

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Speaker 2: better environment for our corrections officers to be working within,

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Speaker 2: and we ask them for their patients in that respect.

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Speaker 2: But this is not a new issue. We have had

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Speaker 2: critical bed block and shortages for years, Katie. This is

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Speaker 2: not new, and in fact the only part of it

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Speaker 2: that's new is that the cops actually doing something to

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Speaker 2: fix it.

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Speaker 1: Chief MIT's de Leah Finocchio will leave it there, thank

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Speaker 1: you as always for your time.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, and take care everyone.