1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:03,840 Speaker 1: And Amanda jam Nation might. 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 2: Say, it's very hard to answer publicly on your thoughts 3 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 2: on Australia Day. The headlines are saying that Pat Cummins 4 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 2: has called out and said we should change Australia Day, 5 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:17,639 Speaker 2: the date of Australia. That's not true. Pat was asked 6 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:20,319 Speaker 2: his opinion, and we're a free country and he gave 7 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 2: his opinion. 8 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:24,079 Speaker 1: And also it's in line with Cricket Australia because I 9 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: think it's the second day of the next Test falls 10 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: on Australia Day, and they're not leaning into Australia Day. 11 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: They're not calling it the Australia Day Test, they're not 12 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:35,279 Speaker 1: doing any of that. So when they asked him yesterday 13 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: his thoughts on the date of Australia Day, he's what 14 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: he said. 15 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:43,160 Speaker 3: Personal opinions is absolutely love Australia. It's the best country 16 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 3: in the world by a mile, and I think we 17 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 3: should have an Australia Day. But I think we can 18 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 3: probably find a more appropriate day to celebrate, in particular 19 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 3: a sport like cricket, which has such diversity and you 20 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 3: get a good spectrum of just the community, I think, 21 00:00:56,520 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 3: and a good good feel for what the kind of expects. 22 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 3: So yeah, knowing a couple of those players that you mentioned, 23 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:09,759 Speaker 3: you hear the stories and their feelings. So I think 24 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 3: it does gather extra importance. Something like jan twenty six. 25 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 3: It does mean something different different people. It's going to 26 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 3: be a tough day for some. Australia has may to 27 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:21,320 Speaker 3: be a celebration of everything Australia in our history. I 28 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 3: think we could choose a. 29 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 2: End date for the time I've been in the media, 30 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 2: which is my thirty fourth anniversary. Is this Australia Day 31 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 2: Long weekend? That's when I started in radio all those 32 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 2: years ago, and for years we celebrated the long weekend, 33 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 2: not the day. And I've just been reading about our 34 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 2: history with Australia Day. Previous to eighteen eighty eight, it 35 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 2: was only celebrated in New South Wales as anniversary Day 36 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 2: to which year the previous into eighteen eighty eight, and 37 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 2: then it floated all around the place. In nineteen fifteen 38 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 2: it was July thirty, nineteen sixteen, it was July twenty eight. 39 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 2: Then in the nineties this is what I remember. The 40 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 2: wokies of the time said, well, it's got to be 41 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 2: on the twenty six if you're going to have Australia. 42 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 2: It's going to be on the day. 43 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: And then everyone said, but the day of what that's 44 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: not the day Australia was. What day are we commembered? 45 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 2: Well, that's the day when Philip came into Botany Bay. 46 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 2: That's right, I declare, this is a colony. 47 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:17,079 Speaker 1: It's not the day Captain Cook. 48 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 2: Later I was that was seventeen seventy, eighteen years before, 49 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 2: but everyone at the time was blowing up about it 50 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 2: the same it's going to be on the twenty six 51 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 2: and then people say, well, what happens if it happens 52 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 2: on a Wednesday. Like what we used to do was 53 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 2: we had the Australia Day long weekend and that existed 54 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:36,519 Speaker 2: and no one really gave much thought about Australia Day. 55 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 2: When I was grew up in the eighties, we didn't 56 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 2: think about Australia Day as what happened for the indigenous 57 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 2: people of the time you have been Can you imagine 58 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:48,839 Speaker 2: this in seventeen seventy, Cook April twenty eight comes into 59 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 2: Botany Bay and the local people there, Colonel said, no, 60 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 2: we don't want you to hear bugger off. Cook did, 61 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 2: went around, took some plans nicked off. Then they came 62 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 2: back eighteen years later. Imagine the stories that they would 63 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 2: have said, Oh there was these funny guys. We go right, yeah, 64 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 2: good on your granddad, you're wido. And then they came 65 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 2: back and said, we declare this as a colony. 66 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 1: And we declare it as a colony that has no 67 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 1: one living on it. Yes, and so it is an 68 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 1: unusual day to pick and I get as modern Australians 69 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: we are conflicted because Pat Cummins himself says, I'm a 70 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: very proud Australian. I love Australia. It's the best country 71 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:28,639 Speaker 1: in the world. Let's find a date where we can 72 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: own our history and love our country. 73 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 2: It would be a date. What would be a date? 74 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 2: Because I've done a lot of thinking about this and 75 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 2: over the years in doing this job, you're always at 76 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 2: the cold face of what public opinion is. And I've 77 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 2: seen the public opinion Wax and Wayne for Australia Day, 78 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 2: so the wool worst boss. He put out a statement 79 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 2: in the paper today. So and the reason they pulled 80 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 2: well Ossie Day merchandise off the shelves is because there 81 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 2: wasn't an appetite for it. Twelve months ago. People weren't 82 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 2: buying the merchandise. When I was a kid, we didn't 83 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 2: buy Australia. We didn't know what Australia meant. When I 84 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 2: was a kid. I just thought it's when Captain Cook 85 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 2: chased chilk and ended up here, isn't it. And I 86 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 2: think in a if you really think about Australia Day, 87 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 2: if you really think about what it means, we need 88 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 2: a national day. 89 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: Of course, we celebrate. 90 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:18,599 Speaker 2: Chinese New Year, we celebrate Eed, we celebrate Ramandan. We 91 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 2: have to have a national day. 92 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: But a day that would make sense would be the 93 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: Day of Federation. But that's too close to But people 94 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 1: want if you're going to have a long weekend or 95 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: you're going to have a public holiday, it has to 96 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: fit in with other public holidays. That's a cynicism of 97 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 1: how our calendar gets plotted. But poor old Pat has 98 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:39,039 Speaker 1: copped this abuse. People have been saying things like start 99 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 1: and I don't like it when people say stay in 100 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:42,840 Speaker 1: your lane, you're big woke. I hate the word woke 101 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: trees and us grub treeson as to who hey mates 102 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: stick to cricket. That's allegedly what you get paid for, 103 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: but out of politics. What about this one? Wait until 104 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: he changes his gender and place for women. So caring 105 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 1: about how his indigenous colleagues feel about Australia day suddenly 106 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: means he's going to be transgender, lumping all their fears 107 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: into one. And when he was asked yesterday about why 108 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: about being called the woke Warrior, he said, change is 109 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: a little bit uncomfortable at times, but I think it's changed. 110 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 1: That's really important. This needs to be made. 111 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 2: But it's not a time on a tradition either. It's 112 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 2: only been in force since nineteen ninety four. It's hard 113 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 2: to be written in the rosester. I think the thing 114 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 2: that bugs me about it it was the so called 115 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 2: Wokies of nineteen ninety four that changed it. Do you 116 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 2: know what I mean? They're all go, it's got to 117 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 2: be on the twenty show. 118 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: It's all just's got our pitchforks out and we're changing directions. 119 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:34,600 Speaker 1: I really admire pack commins and it takes a lot 120 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: to say here's my personal opinion. Sorry, suck it in. 121 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 2: We're a weird mob.