1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: Hello, Katie Wolf and three point sixty online at Mix 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 1: one oh four nine dot com. 3 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 2: If you'd like to get in contact with us this morning, 4 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:10,120 Speaker 2: you can give us a call eight nine four one 5 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:12,480 Speaker 2: one O four nine. You can also send us a 6 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 2: text message if you'd like to zero four one eight 7 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:18,120 Speaker 2: nine five seven three sixty nine. And that's what Mark 8 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:20,080 Speaker 2: in two wee has done, and he says, Hi, Katie, 9 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 2: I'm fairly certain that when bail is granted to young offenders, 10 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 2: their bail conditions don't say you can commit further offenses 11 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 2: if they're trivial or if there are exceptional circumstances. Mark says, 12 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 2: the conditions would have to say not to commit any offense. 13 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you, Mark. 14 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 2: I think that you know, from what I can read 15 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 2: through this legislation, I'm sure that there is still different 16 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 2: things being worked on, and that is exactly why it's 17 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:49,520 Speaker 2: going through Parliament this week, so there is the opportunity 18 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 2: to debate it. But from what I can see, you know, 19 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 2: just taking a look at that one section that says 20 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 2: a breach of a condition of bail mensha in sub 21 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 2: section one B is not a serious breach of bail 22 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:07,039 Speaker 2: if the breach is trivial or technical, or there are 23 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 2: exceptional circumstances for it. Now joining us on the line 24 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:16,119 Speaker 2: to talk more about these changes is the Deputy Opposition 25 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 2: Leader Jared Maylee. 26 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 1: Good morning to you, Jared, Oh, Good. 27 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:20,959 Speaker 3: Morning Katie, Good morning listeners. 28 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 2: Now, Jared, as I mentioned, we know that the government's 29 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 2: proposed legislative changes are going to be debated in Parliament 30 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,119 Speaker 2: this week in an effort really to try to curb 31 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 2: the serious issues that we've been experiencing around the Northern 32 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 2: Territory when it comes to youth crime. Now, we know 33 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 2: that there's been a serious emphasis from the Gunner government 34 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 2: they say in recent weeks when talking about this legislation 35 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 2: and that it's going to crack down on repeat offenders. 36 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 2: Last week in a statement, the Police Minister said if 37 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 2: a young person commits a serious breach of bail, their 38 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 2: bail will be revoked and they'll be taken into Remand Jared, 39 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 2: I'm sure that you've been of trawling over this legislation, 40 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 2: and probably with a much keener eye than I, given 41 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 2: the fact that you are legally trained. What's been your 42 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 2: reaction upon going through us? 43 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 3: Well, Cadie, al really there's two aspects to it. It's 44 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 3: the one section which is thirty eight double A double A, 45 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 3: which talks about the series breach of the youth of 46 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 3: a bail condition. So, for example, if a youth is 47 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 3: arrested on a Monday morning and there is taken to 48 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 3: court for a breach of bail, well that section applies 49 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 3: and that's when the bail must be revoked and reminded 50 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 3: in custody. But what would happen in my experiences working 51 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 3: in a core system. The lawyer for that youth would 52 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 3: simply relist the matter later that day, say at two 53 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 3: o'clock in the afternoon, for a bail application, so the 54 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 3: youth would be reminded in custody for the day, and 55 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 3: then at two o'clock a biol application we made, and 56 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:54,679 Speaker 3: that's what it switches to section seven B, which is 57 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 3: the other amendment to the legislation. We've talked about what 58 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 3: a youth does in relation to a described offense or 59 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 3: the breach of a bail condition. But that section, for 60 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 3: my reading, doesn't change a presumption, even though there's a 61 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 3: heading which says a presumption against bail. But if you 62 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 3: actually read the words of the legislation and where it 63 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 3: fits into the act. It doesn't change a presumption for 64 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 3: bail because seven A, which goes before that, it's got 65 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 3: a section which talks about and I'll read it out, 66 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 3: which is section seven A two. Bail must not be 67 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 3: granted to a person accused often offense to which this 68 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 3: section applies, unless the person statis size an authorized member 69 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 3: or court that bail should be granted. But that applies 70 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 3: for section seven eight, not seven B, because seven B 71 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 3: is going to become after seven eight, and those words 72 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 3: aren't used in that legislation whatsoever. So even though they've 73 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 3: got a heading consumption against bail, it's in the wrong 74 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 3: part of this section and it doesn't actually say the words. 75 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 3: So there is no change of presumption and the youth 76 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 3: will just simply get bail, but there will be some conditions, 77 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 3: but it's going to be a really an opportunity for 78 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 3: the youth to get out and bail again. 79 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 2: Jared, I know that there is going to be listeners 80 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 2: right now thinking to themselves, I cannot make heads and 81 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 2: all tails of this, and I know that that's what 82 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 2: I'm thinking as I'm listening. 83 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 3: I guess you know, it shows that this legislation is rushed, confusing, 84 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,239 Speaker 3: and it's going to be very very difficult to operate 85 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 3: in the real and real world and the core system. 86 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 3: The government has got a lot to answer for here. 87 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:31,679 Speaker 3: They've talked tough, but essentially there are legislation falls flat. 88 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: So what is going I mean, what do we do here? 89 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 2: Because like at the end of the day, everybody wants 90 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,039 Speaker 2: to see change in this space. But if we get 91 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 2: this wrong, it doesn't sound like it's going to make 92 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 2: any difference whatsoever to the current situation that we've got 93 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:49,159 Speaker 2: around repeat offending of youths. 94 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree completely, ok, any other thing, that this 95 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 3: legislation only applies to youth, So if you're eighteen or 96 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 3: above and you committed an offense, it doesn't apply. So 97 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 3: there's no change of presumption. So if you're out there 98 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 3: and you're repeat offende in you're eighteen or nineteen or 99 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 3: twenty or thirty or fifty, the legislation doesn't affect you. 100 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:08,840 Speaker 3: So if you're a repeat offender and you're out there 101 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 3: and you're an adult, you still get bail. So it's 102 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 3: really only trying to curb the youth crime. And I 103 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 3: accept that there's a youth crime, such a problem but 104 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:20,239 Speaker 3: there's also a lot of adult out there committing repeat 105 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 3: offenses and breaching bail. It doesn't apply for. 106 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 2: Them, all right, I want to ask because I know 107 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 2: that in Section seven B of this legislation, I want 108 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 2: to try and make this as easy for our listeners 109 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:33,280 Speaker 2: to understand as possible, because I know, even for me, 110 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 2: I'm finding it all quite confusing. But there is there 111 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 2: is part two of Section seven B that says a 112 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 2: breach of a condition of bail mentioned in sub section 113 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 2: one B is not a serious breach of bail if 114 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 2: the breach is trivial or technical, or there are exceptional 115 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:53,280 Speaker 2: circumstances to it. 116 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: Jared from your legal. 117 00:05:55,760 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 2: Experience, what would be considered a trivial breach of b Firstly. 118 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 3: Okay, well, for example, and this is really up to 119 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 3: the judge to decide, but a trivial might be if 120 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:08,840 Speaker 3: there's a curfew and the curfew come in and you've 121 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 3: got to be home at seven o'clock and your home 122 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 3: at maybe five past seven, A small, small breach, yep, 123 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:18,040 Speaker 3: A trivial breach, I tell you, A more serious breach 124 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 3: if you didn't come home at all. That wouldn't be 125 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 3: a trivial breach off that bail condition. 126 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 2: Okay, so that sounds as though it's fairly easy to understand. Now, 127 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 2: there is also as part of that same section it 128 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 2: will continue to read. It says a breach of a 129 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 2: condition of bail mentioned in subsection one B is not 130 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 2: a serious breach of bail if the breach is considered 131 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 2: trivial or technical, or there are exceptional circumstances to it. Now, 132 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 2: when you consider exceptional circumstances, I would think that most 133 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:51,359 Speaker 2: lawyers would be able to argue fairly exceptional circumstances to 134 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 2: most of the young people that we are speaking about, 135 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 2: you know, when you're talking about some of the issues 136 00:06:57,480 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 2: that we are dealing with around youth crime. 137 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 3: I agree. And also when you talk about exceptional circumstances, 138 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 3: lawyers will talk about exceptional circumstances off the offender and 139 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 3: exceptional circumstances off the offense. And this legislation is not 140 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 3: clear which one it applies to. Because you have exceptional 141 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 3: circumstances off the offender. Let's say the defender has a 142 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 3: mental disability or some sort of injury, Well, that might 143 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 3: be an exceptional circumstance for them. Or if the lawyers 144 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 3: can argue that the child has a tough upbringing that 145 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 3: might be an exceptional circumstance. So it's not really clear. 146 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 3: And from my experience in the course system, exceptional circumstances 147 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 3: will be given a broad definition and there will be 148 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 3: lots and lots of things that get included into that, 149 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 3: and then once one or two cases get through in 150 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 3: relation to a mental disability or some sort of physical handicap, 151 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 3: perhaps that will be the open the floodgate. 152 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 2: Now there's quite a few messages coming through this morning, Jared. 153 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:54,119 Speaker 2: There's one here that says, good morning Katie, exceptional circumstances 154 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 2: to break bail? 155 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: Are they kidding? 156 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 2: Question Mark breach of bail is just that once again 157 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 2: the guvern have pulled the wall over our eyes and 158 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 2: lied to us. That one there from Joe. I've got 159 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 2: one here from Barry. It says typical of the government. 160 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 2: They're still just jogging on the spot when it comes 161 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 2: to changing. 162 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 1: These bail laws. Jared, I do want to ask. 163 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 2: You, as the Deputy Opposition leader. I know that the 164 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 2: ABC News this morning was reporting that lawyers say that 165 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 2: parts of the legislation contradict what the Police Minister A 166 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 2: Cole Madison told Parliament when introducing the legislation. Minister and 167 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 2: Cole Madison said the changes meet. There is a presumption 168 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 2: against bail for most offenses, despite the bill itself saying 169 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 2: the presumption for bail will be removed. 170 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:43,079 Speaker 1: So from your understanding, which is it, Well. 171 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 3: My understanding is it is the presumption of neutral, so 172 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 3: it hasn't changed you presumption whatsoever. Like I read out earlier, 173 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 3: to read the whole Bail Act in this entirety, you 174 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 3: need to read section seven A Subsection two, which talks 175 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 3: about bail might not be granted unless the person statisize 176 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 3: the court that ball should be granted. That's the words 177 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:03,719 Speaker 3: that change the onners and that's in section seven A 178 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 3: which applies to adults. But in this section it doesn't 179 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 3: have those words at all. So Joe, again, this is 180 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 3: a case example of rushing the legislation not thinking it through, 181 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 3: and they've missed the point. And I just think that 182 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 3: the Minister was wrong. It doesn't change the presumption at all. 183 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 2: Sir Jared, from your perspective, and I understand that this 184 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 2: is obviously a political discussion. It's always going to be 185 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 2: when I'm speaking to the opposition, and I do want 186 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:32,839 Speaker 2: to obviously speak to the government about this. But from 187 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 2: your perspective, if you breach your bail conditions with these changes, 188 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 2: what's going to happen? 189 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 3: Well, if you breach your bail condition and you're taking 190 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:44,559 Speaker 3: the court on the first occasion for breaching the bail, 191 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 3: your bail be revoked and you romanded in custody. And 192 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:51,239 Speaker 3: the question is which we can't find the definition of custody. 193 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 3: And if you read this is a new new wording, 194 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:56,679 Speaker 3: I warrant commit the youth into custody of the CEO 195 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 3: Youth Justice. So what does that mean? Does that mean 196 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 3: just taking back to the care if it's the person's 197 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 3: already in the care of the CEO, or if your 198 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 3: child is at home and commits a defenses, your child 199 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 3: are going to be taken in and become the care 200 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,559 Speaker 3: of the state and become a carer. It doesn't actually 201 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 3: say what that means. And I've looked through the legislation 202 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 3: and I can't find the definition of custody of the CEO. 203 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 3: Does that actually mean taken to don Dale or does 204 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:26,679 Speaker 3: that mean just taken back to the parent or the 205 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 3: care who's caring for that child. So we don't know 206 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 3: and then that's the first occasion. And then if your 207 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:35,679 Speaker 3: lawyer relists the matter, well, that section doesn't apply anymore. 208 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 3: There's seven b applies, and then there's no presumption, and 209 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 3: the presumption is neutral and more than likely the youth 210 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 3: is going to get bailed. So if this happens on 211 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 3: a weekday, the youth will be out on it that afternoon. 212 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:51,439 Speaker 2: There is no doubt that there's a lot of Territorians 213 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 2: that want to see some serious change in this space 214 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 2: and a serious reduction in crime being committed. They'll all 215 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 2: be hoping that these changes have an impact. And then 216 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:04,679 Speaker 2: on the other hand, we have got indigenous advocacy groups 217 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 2: and health groups that feel these changes being proposed are 218 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 2: a step in the wrong direction. The Children's Commissioner last 219 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 2: week issued a statement which said that the changes will 220 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 2: result in more children and young people in detention in 221 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 2: a jurisdiction that already locks up more children than any 222 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 2: others in Australia. Have you spoken to any of the 223 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 2: groups that are concerned about these changes and what have 224 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 2: they said to you. 225 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 3: Look, I haven't spoken to any of those groups, but 226 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:34,079 Speaker 3: I've spoken to people in the community and what they 227 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 3: want is they want something that's going to work to 228 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 3: reduce crime across the teritory because people aren't feeling faith 229 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 3: in their own home and this legislation is a small 230 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 3: step forward, there's no question about that. But has it 231 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 3: been done properly? The answer is no. Does it change 232 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 3: of presumption? And the answer is no. And effectively it's 233 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 3: a long winded and it's confusing. 234 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: I tell you what. 235 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 2: It sounds as though it's going to be a very 236 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:59,559 Speaker 2: interesting time in Parliament this week, Jared, before we are, 237 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 2: before we wrap up, can I put a question to 238 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 2: you that I was actually going to ask the Chief 239 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 2: Minister this morning because it's come through from one of 240 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 2: our listeners, Gary. Over the weekend he sent an email 241 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 2: asking would the government be prepared to appoint an independent 242 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 2: firm to order it why so many police officers in 243 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 2: the Northern Territory are leaving. It costs thousands of dollars 244 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:23,599 Speaker 2: to train up these guys and the Northern Territory taxpayer 245 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 2: needs to know why they're leaving in droves. What do 246 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 2: you think of that idea? 247 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,199 Speaker 3: Oh? Look, I am very consumed with these police leaving 248 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:34,719 Speaker 3: in droves because what happens is the new recruits come 249 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:38,559 Speaker 3: in and they're inexperience and they've got no leadership. And effectively, 250 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:40,560 Speaker 3: if you look at all the new recruits going into 251 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:45,839 Speaker 3: the regional stations, they're there, but the senior people are leaving. 252 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 3: So something needs to look at why they're leaving. I 253 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 3: accept that completely and anything to keep our police working hard, 254 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 3: because they do work hard and they're good people, but 255 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 3: they're just no leadership. 256 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 2: Well, Jered Mayley, as I say it's going to be 257 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:01,439 Speaker 2: an interesting week in part elament, what word are you 258 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 2: planning on using it rather than now that incompetent isn't allowed? 259 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 3: Well maybe not competent or useless hopeless. 260 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 2: You mob were all out of control last week. I 261 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 2: reckon the Speaker needs to needs to try and calm 262 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 2: things down. She's struggling to manage everyone. 263 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 3: Well, Labor just keep making mistakes and that's what the 264 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:25,719 Speaker 3: Opposition's job is to hold them to account and that's 265 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 3: what we're trying to do. 266 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 2: Jered Mayley, the Deputy Opposition leader, thank you so much 267 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 2: for your time this morning. 268 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 3: Thank you bye. 269 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 2: Bye now, and I will point out it wasn't I'm 270 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 2: not saying that it was only the opposition who were 271 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 2: who were rowdy in Parliament last week it was the 272 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 2: government as well, goodness me, you know, both right across 273 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 2: the board, everybody during question time. 274 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 1: It was pretty pretty crazy.