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Speaker 1: Jum Mission with Jones and Amanda So clear today you're

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Speaker 1: what's tickled your fancy to discuss a fascinating topic Spotify,

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Speaker 1: So tell us why that's in the news.

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Speaker 2: So it all started early last week when singer Neil

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Speaker 2: Young issued an ultimatum to Spotify, calling out the music

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Speaker 2: streaming service for giving a platform for podcaster Joe Rogan.

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Speaker 2: If you don't know who Joe Rogan is, he has

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Speaker 2: the most popular podcast in the world, the most listened to,

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Speaker 2: the Joe Rogan Experience. And he's also a UFC commentator,

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Speaker 2: a comedian and actor, and he was the presenter of

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Speaker 2: Fear Factory and years ago. That's how.

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Speaker 3: But the thing about Joe Rogan, he was on a

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Speaker 3: show called news Radio years ago, which I as an actor.

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Speaker 3: He was in that, remember that show news Radio. So

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Speaker 3: he was in that as the I think he was

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Speaker 3: the sports reporter. But he is no different to me.

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Speaker 3: I don't know why. But it's easier to spread misinformation

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Speaker 3: than reasonable. Well people, they're all looking for some hustle.

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Speaker 3: There's a hustle, but there's no hustle exactly.

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Speaker 4: So, but he's been sprouting misinformation.

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Speaker 2: He has, and so in an open letter, Young asked

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Speaker 2: his management to remove his music from Spotify, which he

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Speaker 2: accused of spreading fake information about vaccines, potentially causing death

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Speaker 2: to those who believe that disinformation. And he basically said,

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Speaker 2: you can have Rogan or Young, not both. And as

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Speaker 2: you said, Joe Rogan has interviewed a number of discredited

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Speaker 2: academics and physicians who has spoken out against the vaccine.

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Speaker 2: Rogan himself is not vaccinated, and he did use ivermectin

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Speaker 2: to treat his own COVID and talked about it a lot.

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Speaker 2: Jonesy and I both know ivermectin doesn't do anything. You

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Speaker 2: just get better in a few days. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: But you know the thing is, I've been talking to

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Speaker 3: a few sort of like anti vaxis lately about stuff

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Speaker 3: trying to get into the and as I said, they're

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Speaker 3: looking for there's a hustle, but there's no hustle. This

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Speaker 3: is a one hundred year event. One hundred years years ago,

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Speaker 3: fifty million people died. The population of the world was

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Speaker 3: about two billion. Now it's eight billion, and we're looking

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Speaker 3: like eightbm population and we're looking at probably about five

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Speaker 3: six million people have died. So if you do the

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Speaker 3: maths on that, so at another one hundred years time,

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Speaker 3: when another pandemic comes along, it probably won't be unacceptable

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Speaker 3: to have one hundred thousand people die.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's what it is.

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Speaker 3: We're moving forward. It's not a hustle.

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Speaker 1: But it's interesting though the way Spotify went with this,

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Speaker 1: because there's new Young saying it's me or it's Joe.

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Speaker 4: Who'd they pick Joe?

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Speaker 2: So they stuck with Joe, And interestingly Young came out

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Speaker 2: and said, I support free speech and I've never been

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Speaker 2: in favor of censorship. Private companies have the right to

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Speaker 2: choose who they profit from, and basically it's fine that

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Speaker 2: they chose him. It's just I can also choose not

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Speaker 2: to have my music on a platform that disseminates harmful information.

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Speaker 2: But interestingly, Joni Mitchell has now said she's going to

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Speaker 2: remove her catalog. She's called out irresponsible people spreading lives.

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Speaker 2: It's quite clear who she's referring to. Brene brown has

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Speaker 2: done the same thing too, and that's a big one

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Speaker 2: because Joe Rogan's podcast is number one on Spotify. Brene

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Speaker 2: Browns is number ten, so it's a big loss for them.

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Speaker 2: And James Blunt has threatened that he will actually release

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Speaker 2: new music if they keep Joe Rogan, and I think

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Speaker 2: that's probably the scariest thing. But in just the last

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Speaker 2: few hours, Megan and Harry have weighed in on Spotify's

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Speaker 2: association with Rogan. A spokesperson for the arch Well Foundation,

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Speaker 2: which is their their charity foundation said that Harry and

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Speaker 2: Megan first expressed concerns to Spotify about COVID misinformation last April,

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Speaker 2: but they seemed more optimistic about Spotify acting to mitigate it.

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Speaker 2: They sort of said, we look forward to Spotify meeting

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Speaker 2: this moment, So clearly they're not They're not leaving. They're like,

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Speaker 2: oh no, we need this money.

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Speaker 4: Were a Spotify do anything?

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Speaker 1: Because what was interesting that Joe Rogan. They paid one

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Speaker 1: hundred million dollars to Joe Rogan for his podcast, But

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Speaker 1: I was reading that they've lost four billion in market

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Speaker 1: value in recent weeks, much of it due to this.

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Speaker 1: So what you lose in the PR game? Where are

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Speaker 1: you winning here?

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Speaker 2: I know. I think it's such an interesting debate because

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Speaker 2: Spotify says they have the responsibility of balancing safety for

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Speaker 2: listeners and freedom for creators. And the scary thing is

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Speaker 2: that people like Joe Rogan say and the people who

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Speaker 2: go on his podcasts say, we're being silenced, We're being silenced,

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Speaker 2: We're being sienced.

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Speaker 4: With a number one podcast.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hilarious because it's always like, oh, Joe Rogan's alternative.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, he's the most listened to podcasts.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well he's don't have a bigger platform than that.

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Speaker 2: He's pretty mainstream. He's more mainstream than most American news organizations.

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Speaker 2: But I do think it's interesting that if Spotify shut

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Speaker 2: him down, there is such a huge audience who will

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Speaker 2: be absolutely female.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they'll be, and that Joe Rogan's podcast is entertaining.

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Speaker 3: I listen, But that's my point. It's entertainment. He doesn't

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Speaker 3: know any more than I know, and that's the thing.

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Speaker 3: But he's going and he said about people that you

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Speaker 3: know someone that had astrozenica blood clots. He actually said, yes,

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Speaker 3: that person was a friend of mine, and then later

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Speaker 3: on he goes, oh no, no, I've never met anything

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Speaker 3: like that. So he's just making shit oup he is,

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Speaker 3: and that's what I do every day.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting though that with Spotify, they want, yes, content correctors,

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Speaker 1: and they don't want to editorialize too much.

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Speaker 4: Blah, blah blah.

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Speaker 1: But for them, the bottom line is money and they're

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Speaker 1: going to have to work out where the money is.

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Speaker 1: So they know that he brings in a huge amount

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Speaker 1: of listenership, even though they might lose some on the

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Speaker 1: stock market.

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Speaker 4: It'd be a big fual to lose job exactly.

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Speaker 2: And if you've listened to his podcast, it is just

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Speaker 2: ads on ads on ads. There are so many. But

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Speaker 2: it does raise the question that we do have these

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Speaker 2: people like Joe Rogan who aren't scientists, who are just

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Speaker 2: average people running these podcasts, interviewing people, and kind of

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Speaker 2: is it our job to be the critical thinkers?

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Speaker 4: Is it?

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Speaker 2: Is it the listener's job. Should we be able to

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Speaker 2: take this information and make of it what we will?

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Speaker 4: But that's the problem, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: We should be able to do that, But we just

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Speaker 1: take in the information exactly, And even when you're hearing

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Speaker 1: scientific information, there'll be people who say, I've done my

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Speaker 1: own research, So you can't trust people to not listen

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Speaker 1: to the ball exactly.

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Speaker 3: And where do we go from here? Listener? Just listen

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Speaker 3: to be reasonable things. Joe Rogan was on a sitcom

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Speaker 3: that was very funny. He's a good UFC commentator.

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Speaker 4: He's a great podcaster, but don't take your science from him.

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Speaker 3: Don't take your science from him. Claire, this has been great.

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Speaker 3: Let's go and lick an escalator together. You can't do it.

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Speaker 4: I still don't go into our kitchen just yet, Claire.

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Speaker 3: Mom and Me is canceled podcast. Make sure you check

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Speaker 3: out Mom and Me is. You're coming up on Mum

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Speaker 3: and Me as podcast already.

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Speaker 4: And it happens when.

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Speaker 3: Jonesy time on it? Is this a women thing? As

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Speaker 3: like the guys get to go on it? Do you

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Speaker 3: get guys on Mom and Man?

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Speaker 2: Maybe we'll get.

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Speaker 3: There?

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Speaker 4: Is living an escalator? Here's the sharpest kid in school.

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Speaker 3: Jonesy and Amanda's donation