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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the Female Athlete Project's International Women's

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Speaker 1: Day panel, presented by Echo and Workplace Law. I'd like

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Speaker 1: to start by acknowledging that I'm hosting this panel today

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Speaker 1: on Wanna Rua Land. I'd also like to acknowledge the

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Speaker 1: traditional custodians of the various lands on which you're all

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Speaker 1: joining us from today, and the Aboriginal and torro Strait

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Speaker 1: is Chloe Dalton, and if you're new to the t

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Speaker 1: FAT community, a little bit of an introduction. I'm an

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Speaker 1: Olympic gold medalist in rugby sevens and I currently play

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Speaker 1: aflow for the GWS Giants in one of the COVID

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Speaker 1: lockdowns during twenty twenty. I decided to start the Female

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Speaker 1: Athlete Project because I got really, really sick of not

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Speaker 1: being able to read stories about women's sport in the newspaper,

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Speaker 2: So I wanted to.

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Speaker 1: Create this space where we could share the stories of

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Speaker 1: incredible female athletes and be able to celebrate their achievements

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Speaker 1: on a daily basis. It's been one of the most

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Speaker 1: incredible journeys We've grown our social community to over fifty

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Speaker 1: thousand people. We release a weekly podcast email, we do merchandise.

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Speaker 1: Now get to do live events like this, which is

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Speaker 1: super exciting, and I just wanted to say thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for jumping online today and to our incredible

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Speaker 1: team behind the scenes who allow us to bring events

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Speaker 2: It's really really cool.

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Speaker 1: For this paddle, I'm branching out of my comfort zone

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Speaker 1: a little bit. I usually only interview athletes and talk

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Speaker 1: wanted to mix it up and bring on some diverse

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Speaker 1: different experiences so that we can all come together on

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Speaker 1: a day like this and learn. It's a pretty cool opportunity.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to introducing you to.

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Speaker 2: Our padelist in a second.

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Speaker 1: But in terms of housekeeping, you might be able to

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Speaker 1: see on the right hand side there's a chat box,

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Speaker 1: so please feel free to join in that DISCUSSI at

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Speaker 1: any point. If you've got a specific question for one

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Speaker 1: of our panelists, please put it in there. We'll save

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Speaker 1: about ten minutes at the end of the panel for

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Speaker 1: a bit of a chat I've seen lots of discussions,

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Speaker 1: particularly this year around International Women's Day, about big corporate

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Speaker 1: accessing events around International Women's Day. So we wanted to

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Speaker 1: make this a virtual event so that people could hopefully

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Speaker 1: jump online wherever they're at. We're also going to release

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Speaker 1: And I just wanted to say a massive thank you

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Speaker 1: to our partners Echo and Workplace Law for allowing us

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Speaker 1: to put on this event that's actually free for people

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Speaker 1: to get on board, because we really wanted to remove

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Speaker 1: it's really really cool to be able to do that

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Speaker 1: with our partners. And now then introduce you to our

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Speaker 1: incredible panelists. So first out, we've got Vanessa Turnbull Roberts.

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Speaker 1: So Vanessa is a proud Bunge, a languigeable, liable woman

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Speaker 1: She's also a recipient of the Human Rights Medal awarded

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Speaker 1: her acceptance speech gained global recognition and response. Welcome Vanessa.

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Speaker 1: Next up, we've got Hannah Ferguson So. Hannah is the

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Speaker 1: Hannah has a Bachelor of Laws Honors and a Master

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Speaker 1: You'll need to make sure you're following Cheek Media Co

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Speaker 1: after this if you're not already. Hello and Welcome Hannah.

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Speaker 1: And finally, the incredible Sarah Aguama So. Sarah is currently

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Speaker 3: Thanks Chloe, thank you.

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Speaker 2: Excited to have you on board. We're going to kick

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Speaker 4: Hannah.

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Speaker 1: I might start with you, Can you tell us what

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Speaker 4: I think from my perspective, the most important thing in

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Speaker 5: And I think that equity.

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Speaker 5: And so I think that equity really.

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Speaker 4: Strikes at the heart of ensuring that people have different

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Speaker 1: Do you have an early memory for you personally when

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Speaker 4: And so that was kind of the moment for me

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, Vanessa, we might go to you next. What

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Speaker 5: Reflecting on what does equity mean.

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Speaker 6: To me, I guess I'll share from lived experience and

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Speaker 6: my own personal journey. I grew up in a community

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Speaker 5: And as a result of.

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Speaker 6: So I guess when we reflect on what does equity

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Speaker 6: So for me, when we're addressing the inequities that exist,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, incredible we're going to get to the way that

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Speaker 1: you have equipped yourself as a lawyer and a writer

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Speaker 1: Zealand in altro. Can you tell us a little bit

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's thank you both, Hannah and Vness for sharing

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Speaker 7: so beautifully empowerfully those men you certainly resonate with me.

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Speaker 7: But equity, I think, looking at the context of sport,

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Speaker 7: where I feel it the most, is about ensuring that

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Speaker 3: The same opportunity to achieve a common goal.

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Speaker 7: And you know, I think if is a bit of

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Speaker 3: And the truth of the matter is, as a semi.

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Speaker 6: Thanks Chloe, And can I just say cheeky Media is

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Speaker 6: system that still continue to silence children young people.

443
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Speaker 5: Doing law and social.

444
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Speaker 6: Work was just one avenue to actually not give them

445
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Speaker 6: a choice but to listen and say, I have your

446
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Speaker 6: credibility plus more, but now I have my survival and

447
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Speaker 6: now I'm not giving you a choice. Bye to listen

448
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Speaker 6: because it's first nations lives which hold a disproportion impact

449
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Speaker 6: of child removal. Here in this nation who will impacted

450
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Speaker 6: the most and we are already marginalized when it comes

451
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Speaker 6: to looking at the history of inequities in this nation,

452
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Speaker 6: and so we have a responsibility to open up that

453
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Speaker 6: conversation and correct better change for our children young people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really it's powerful.

455
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Speaker 1: And I have the opportunity to know you personally, and

456
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Speaker 1: that strength and power comes.

457
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Speaker 2: Out in every day that you live your life.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, it's just incredible what you've done so far, Nessa,

459
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Speaker 1: and I look forward to continue to seeing the impact

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Speaker 1: that you make.

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Speaker 2: Says you.

462
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Speaker 1: Recently became the first Fiji to commentator on the World

463
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Speaker 1: Rugby seven series.

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Speaker 2: How does that sit with you?

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Speaker 1: Because for people who don't know a lot about rugby seven's,

466
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Speaker 1: Fijians are a.

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Speaker 2: Powerhouse in the sport.

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Speaker 1: They are so good to watch, they're so exciting to watch.

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Speaker 1: How does that sit with you when it's this incredible milestone,

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Speaker 1: but at the same time, you shouldn't have been the

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Speaker 1: first to do it in twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, firstly, I.

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Speaker 3: Have goosebumps every time I hear your voice. I'm just

474
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Speaker 3: so installed what you have to say. Gotting back to

475
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Speaker 3: your question, it was a huge milestone.

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Speaker 7: I genuinely didn't know that I was the first Fijian

477
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Speaker 7: commentator to do so, and that whole conversation or that

478
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Speaker 7: whole comment came to light at the Sydney Sevens. It

479
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Speaker 7: was the day before the Sydney Sevens was set to

480
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Speaker 7: launch and we went in for a broadcast meeting and

481
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Speaker 7: Sydney producer came up to me and he's really excited

482
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Speaker 7: to meet me, and I was obviously very excited to

483
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Speaker 7: meet him too, to be entrusted to be able to

484
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Speaker 7: commentate some of the best athletes in the world. And

485
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Speaker 7: he said to me, you Nophijians have contributed so much

486
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Speaker 7: to the sport of rugby union yet you are the

487
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Speaker 7: first woman, either male or female, to commentate on this circuit.

488
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Speaker 7: That moment, I think in my mind forever rent free.

489
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Speaker 7: And there's this quote that I've read and I always

490
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Speaker 7: hold it close to my heart, is that I am

491
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Speaker 7: my ancestors weld the streams.

492
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Speaker 3: Think about the story.

493
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Speaker 7: Of my boomble, which is Gramma and Fiji and my

494
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Speaker 7: Boomboo and my Papa coming over here, sending my parents

495
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Speaker 7: over for my dad over and what life they would

496
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Speaker 7: have envisioned for him, which necessarily didn't come to pass

497
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Speaker 7: because like choices he made. But now I get to

498
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Speaker 7: live out this life that they intended for him. And

499
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Speaker 7: it's crazy to think that I am the first to

500
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Speaker 7: do it. But now that I'm a first, that means

501
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Speaker 7: that there's so much space. There was this space, there's opportunity,

502
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Speaker 7: there's actually belief that more of us can be.

503
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Speaker 3: In this space.

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Speaker 7: And you know, I think, as a Pacific islander as

505
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Speaker 7: well as Melanesian woman, I think that there are often

506
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,679
Speaker 7: thesehy stereo types that society hold us to, that we

507
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:25,680
Speaker 7: are good for the film, but not behind a mic,

508
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 7: that we're quite timid people or not very intelligent. But

509
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Speaker 7: like I am living and proving proof that we are

510
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Speaker 7: so much more than that. And you know, with holding

511
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:38,159
Speaker 7: space like this comes responsibility to continually raise awareness about

512
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Speaker 7: the fact that there is so much more that Fijian people.

513
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Speaker 3: Can offer, and there are so many clever, articulate.

514
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Speaker 7: People that can do this, And I think for me,

515
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Speaker 7: it's just it's crazy to think that I'm the first lie.

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Speaker 3: I often look at my reflection in mirror man like

517
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Speaker 3: I'm just I'm Sarah.

518
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Speaker 7: I grew up in Bexley, Like you know, I don't

519
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Speaker 7: have a degree, but yet I'm given these opportunities to

520
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Speaker 7: do some really cool stuff with my life. And you know,

521
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Speaker 7: all I can hope that does is just for the

522
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Speaker 7: young Fijian girls or young Fijian boys, or any anyone

523
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Speaker 7: that can resonate with my identity and my appearance, that

524
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Speaker 7: they also know that they are worthy and that they

525
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 7: get so capable of being in this space. And I

526
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,440
Speaker 7: didn't grow up having a Fijian commentator in front of

527
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Speaker 7: me that I thought I wanted to be like. But

528
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Speaker 7: the fact that now I have the opportunity to potentially

529
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Speaker 7: be that for someone else means so much to me.

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Speaker 3: So I'm looking.

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Speaker 7: Forward to the day that I get to have another

532
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Speaker 7: Fijian in the booth.

533
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Speaker 3: But you know, one cool moment I do want to.

534
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Speaker 7: Call upon is when when I was in the box,

535
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Speaker 7: I'm looking around the room and he was Ken Labour,

536
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Speaker 7: who was of someone in descent. That was Carletonano, who

537
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 7: was an iconic or black legend, and there was also

538
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Speaker 7: Honey hitting me, a multi woman, and I just thought,

539
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Speaker 7: there is so there are brown people in this box

540
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Speaker 7: and the truth of the matter is we can totally

541
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Speaker 7: hold our own.

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Speaker 3: And that was just a really.

543
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Speaker 7: Cool moment to think about, this moment that I'm you know,

544
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Speaker 7: I want to embrace it and I might acknowledge it,

545
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Speaker 7: but I also want to aspire to see so many

546
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Speaker 7: more in that box. And yeah, it was really special

547
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Speaker 7: Acuse I was talking about it because I just never

548
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Speaker 7: thought it was something that I'd be able to do.

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Speaker 3: But bloody hell, I'm really proud that I got to

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Speaker 3: do it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you absolutely should be.

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Speaker 1: And you've just you've stepped into that space, as you said,

553
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Speaker 1: with intelligence, you're articulate, and you are to me, you

554
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,120
Speaker 1: were just charisma personified. So I love seeing you flourish

555
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Speaker 1: in that space.

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Speaker 2: Vanessa. We've got a question from one.

557
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Speaker 1: Of our sponsors at Echo, and we wanted to ask

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Speaker 1: why is it important to promote diverse workplaces and how

559
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Speaker 1: does this contribute to the well being of the employees

560
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Speaker 1: and the overall success of the business.

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Speaker 6: Thanks so much and thanks Echo for that question. I think,

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Speaker 6: you know, we have a prime example that we just

563
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Speaker 6: heard from Sarah where she's now been provided the opportunity

564
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Speaker 6: to be a representation within the commentating reporting space of

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Speaker 6: professional sport. And not only has that liberated the viewers

566
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Speaker 6: that just got to hear it, but it's liberated a

567
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Speaker 6: whole generation of Fiji and black and brown bodies get

568
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Speaker 6: to grow up and actually be like, you know what,

569
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Speaker 6: if I want to be there, I have an opportunity

570
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Speaker 6: to be there, and I get to listen to Sarah

571
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:08,920
Speaker 6: because Sarah is there, and if I have a goal

572
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Speaker 6: to get there, I'm going to get.

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Speaker 5: There, which is so empowering.

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Speaker 6: I think when we're looking at workplace and we're looking

575
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Speaker 6: at all the different forms of workplace, we need to

576
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Speaker 6: also acknowledge that sport is an exempt to being a workplace.

577
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Speaker 6: I have many family members who have grown up in

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Speaker 6: this sporting professional world.

579
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Speaker 5: I have a partner who.

580
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Speaker 6: Was previously an ex professional athlete now retired. My uncle

581
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Speaker 6: Frank Roberts, was the first ever indigenous boxer to go

582
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Speaker 6: over and represent Australia at the Olympics. My pop was

583
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Speaker 6: a professional boxer where he had to ask the White

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Speaker 6: Protection Board for permission to go and fight, and so

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Speaker 6: sporting has.

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Speaker 5: Always been around my family and community as well.

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Speaker 6: But just acknowledging the definition of workplace, the sporting world

588
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Speaker 6: is a workplace, and when we choose to recognize the

589
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Speaker 6: importance of diversity and inclusion, we're saying as a workplace

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Speaker 6: that we're taking a step to be anti race, and

591
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Speaker 6: we're taking steps to actually demonstrate that there is power

592
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Speaker 6: and strength in providing those opportunities to diverse and marginalize people,

593
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Speaker 6: because we need to recognize that many of the employees

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Speaker 6: that we may have in this position right now, whether

595
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 6: they're professional athletes or whether they're lawyers or whether they're

596
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Speaker 6: working at the local cafe, that they were placed in

597
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Speaker 6: privileged positions to get there in the first place, whereas

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Speaker 6: there are people that haven't been provided with that opportunity.

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Speaker 6: And so when you strengthen whether it's First Nations people,

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Speaker 6: whether it's black and brown other people of color from

601
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Speaker 6: around the world into the workplace. You're inviting a whole

602
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Speaker 6: form of strength that comes with that individual person, and

603
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 6: the work will always end up being great because not

604
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 6: only are you going to get that specific job done,

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Speaker 6: but you're going to create a space of liberation within

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Speaker 6: your workplace. Because that's what comes with Indigenous people around

607
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 6: the world, is that we don't just come to a

608
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Speaker 6: workplace and have one goal get it done. We come

609
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Speaker 6: with a whole wealth of knowledge and strength, resilience and love,

610
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Speaker 6: and that echoes.

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Speaker 5: Throughout our workplace.

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Speaker 6: You'll probably find within your team when there's first nations

613
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Speaker 6: to people within the team, other Indigenous people around the world,

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Speaker 6: that there is a sense of community and love and

615
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 6: there's a deeper sense of strength in the team because

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Speaker 6: those values are what we come from as Indigenous people,

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Speaker 6: and that gets to be brought into the workplace and

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Speaker 6: so the work the employees benefit, the clients benefit on

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Speaker 6: the outside, and we just create a more a more

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Speaker 6: just place for diversity and representation within the space.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, thanks Nasa. I wanted to jump over next

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Speaker 1: to Hannah. One of the big things that I've noticed

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Speaker 1: in the way that you communicate a lot of the time.

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Speaker 1: You're really big on honesty and transparency and vulnerability through

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Speaker 1: your platform. What role do you think these play in

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Speaker 1: the push for equity.

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Speaker 4: I think that especially in the media landscape, there is

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Speaker 4: this real opposition to admitting prejudice and an inability to

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Speaker 4: to place blame where it should be placed. And I

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Speaker 4: think that our headlines do that. I think that commentators

631
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Speaker 4: do that, And I think that often the people that

632
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Speaker 4: are holding discomfort of the people that are victims, survivors, complainants,

633
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Speaker 4: and instead we need to learn how to shift blame

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Speaker 4: and discomfort and shame to the people that it should

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Speaker 4: light the feet of. And I think that our headlines

636
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 4: really fail.

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Speaker 2: On that front.

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Speaker 4: And it's not an accident, it's an agenda. And I

639
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 4: think that's so important because these people know how language works,

640
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 4: and they know how important transparency and prejudice and bias is,

641
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 4: and they choose again to consistently wrong the people that

642
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 4: are seeking help. And I think that in terms of

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00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 4: what I'm trying to do with cheek, it's be honest

644
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 4: about when I screw up, because I think that media

645
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 4: so often is just desperate to conceal and obscure the

646
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Speaker 4: truth in those in those ways, and I think that

647
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 4: often it is so much more. It says so much

648
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 4: more about us the way we respond to failure or

649
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 4: getting it wrong than when we get it right. And

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Speaker 4: for me, I think we have also major problems in

651
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Speaker 4: this country without inability to converse about issues specifically related

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Speaker 4: to race and disability. And I think it's about recognizing

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Speaker 4: and reflecting and remaining aware of privilege and how that

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Speaker 4: impacts your view of the world. And I'm not always

655
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Speaker 4: going to be able to write from lived experience, and

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Speaker 4: I can't claim to. And I think it's about being

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Speaker 4: honest and vulnerable and passing the mic and working out

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Speaker 4: how to center someone else in real ways not performed.

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Speaker 4: And I think it's about sitting with the discomfort. And

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Speaker 4: there's a huge difference between someone like Alan Jones who

661
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Speaker 4: positions hate and bigotry as an opinion piece, and someone

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Speaker 4: who maybe just is not informed and not educated. And

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Speaker 4: I'm trying to speak to those people and say I

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Speaker 4: have the privilege to have this conversation and do this work,

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Speaker 4: and I would like to. And that's not to say

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Speaker 4: that we should engage it with the harmful parts and

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Speaker 4: corners of society that I'm willing to have the conversation.

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Speaker 4: But for me, I think in terms of equity, it's

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Speaker 4: how do I use this platform I've built to remain

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Speaker 4: honest and transparent and empower people to go and educate

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Speaker 4: themselves so that they can do better in their own

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Speaker 4: lives and make sure that they are understanding their privileges

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Speaker 4: and how we work towards a more equitable society.

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Speaker 1: We've had a comment just while you were talking from

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Speaker 1: Kylie saying headlines are disgraceful, especially when it's about violence

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Speaker 1: against women. Cheek and Terrang saw that are great are

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Speaker 1: great at calling it out. So Terrang is another incredible

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Speaker 1: example for people that don't follow him, who actually lost

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Speaker 1: his sister through domestic violence, and he does a really

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Speaker 1: similar role to what you're talking about there, Hannah and

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Speaker 1: calling out the language that often surrounds incidents like that.

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Speaker 1: We're going to head over to Sarah for another question,

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Speaker 1: but in the meantime, again, anyone in the audience, we're

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Speaker 1: going to open.

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Speaker 2: Up a little bit of time.

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Speaker 1: We've got just about nine minutes remaining, so if you

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Speaker 1: do have a question for any of the panelists, please

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Speaker 1: pop it in there, but we'll keep going along because

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Speaker 1: loving what we've got going on here with these panelists.

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Speaker 1: So says back to you, We've got another sponsor question

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Speaker 1: from our sponsor Workplace Law. Who are some women in

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Speaker 1: leadership roles in your life that you look up to?

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Speaker 1: What have you learned from these women?

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Speaker 5: Ah?

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Speaker 7: This question made me think about a lot of incredible

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Speaker 7: women I have in my life. In truth is, there

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Speaker 7: are so many role models and I want to kind

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Speaker 7: of steer away from absolutely. I acknowledge my mother and

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Speaker 7: my grandmother because I know if not for them, I

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Speaker 7: would not be who I am or even here today.

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Speaker 7: So Mum and Boombok love you, acknowledge you.

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Speaker 3: They'll pull me out if acknowledge it. Maybe sure do

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Speaker 3: heart here.

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Speaker 7: But while there are two women in particular that come

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Speaker 7: to mind in The first is ariat Rika. She is

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Speaker 7: a cousin in law of mine. But I want to

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Speaker 7: get this right because I wrote her title down. But

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Speaker 7: she's the manager of Governance and Communication at the New

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Speaker 7: Southwell Department of Education. But before she was that, she

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Speaker 7: actually was a founder, was the founder of a well

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Speaker 7: known blog platform called Talinot. And it was the first

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Speaker 7: time for me to see a woman of discent create

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Speaker 7: this platform where she was sharing stories about our people,

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Speaker 7: our success stories, and it wasn't just about the you know,

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Speaker 7: the incredibly talented athletes, but it was about the creator,

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Speaker 7: it was about the writer, it was about the hairdresser,

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Speaker 7: and just kind of spotlighting all the different kinds of

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Speaker 7: women that we had in our community and celebrating them

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Speaker 7: when truth of the matter is they would have no

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Speaker 7: one had really taken the time to share their stories

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Speaker 7: or share their light in their brilliant, everyday women. And

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Speaker 7: for me, that was really inspiring and really sparked my

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Speaker 7: interest in storytelling, both hearing it and being able to

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Speaker 7: tell it. So aried Rika, she really sticks out to me,

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Speaker 7: and she is just someone that's so incredible, so grounded,

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Speaker 7: and so in touch, has a finger on the pulse

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Speaker 7: when it comes to our community, and that's something.

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Speaker 3: That I deeply admire.

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Speaker 7: And another and I know Chloe, you know her, but

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Speaker 7: it's erin Morton.

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Speaker 3: We call her Beusy. She is the team manager of

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Speaker 3: the New South World War. It'sars. She's deeply entrench when

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Speaker 3: it comes to Grasse. He Oh, I get a bit

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Speaker 3: of emotion. I've got prisbumps because.

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Speaker 7: I know she's probably watching this somewhere, probably from our office.

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Speaker 7: But to me, there are so many, so many things

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Speaker 7: that happened in sport where you want to rock up

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Speaker 7: and you want to do your part and you're carrying

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Speaker 7: the load of your day when you walk into training

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Speaker 7: at five o'clock in the afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Yet Bez is someone who when you walk in, she

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Speaker 3: makes you feel like you're valued and that you're.

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Speaker 7: I feel like she's the person that goes to war

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Speaker 7: for us, and she has the hard conversations and she

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Speaker 7: calls stuff out when it's not right, making sure that

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Speaker 7: us girls get the same treatment as the men. And

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Speaker 7: I think it's really the way that the sport rugby

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Speaker 7: union has evolved hasn't just happened. It's because of people

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Speaker 7: like Bes who really hold people accountable, who push your

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Speaker 7: case in the private places and have hard conversation. Probably

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Speaker 7: you know, is not very probably has made enemies along

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Speaker 7: the way because she's so passionate about us. But I

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Speaker 7: just know that women's rugby wouldn't be in the place

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Speaker 7: that is that I wouldn't have the privileges that I

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Speaker 7: have today.

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Speaker 3: If it wasn't for people like Bes.

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Speaker 7: And she's just one of an Army who have done

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Speaker 7: so much great work so that we could be in

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Speaker 7: the position that we are today. So I definitely want

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Speaker 7: to acknowledge Arieta Rica and Aeron Watton.

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Speaker 1: I love that you included Bezin a shaf out there,

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Speaker 1: so for people who don't know, she co hosts our

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Speaker 1: weekly podcast through Teethat, it's called The Rap. She also

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Speaker 1: does all of the research when I interview athletes. She's

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Speaker 1: the one who does a lot behind the scenes. If

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Speaker 1: you've ever bought any te Fat merch, she's probably packed

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Speaker 1: it up from her and her partner Cookie's bedroom shipped

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Speaker 1: it out to you. So she does a huge amount

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Speaker 1: of work, as well as a lot of our other

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Speaker 1: incredible members of our te Fat team.

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Speaker 2: So a big shout out to Bez and thank you

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Speaker 2: for pointing that one out as well, says.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to ask we might go to Unessa, what

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Speaker 1: does an equitable future look like to you? And can

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Speaker 1: you maybe give us one practical thing that people listening

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Speaker 1: today can can implement in their lives.

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Speaker 5: Thanks Chloe and just carrying off the Bez shout out.

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Speaker 6: I'm not really involved in the sporting world of such,

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Speaker 6: but as I mentioned, my partner isn't. And that was

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Speaker 6: a little bit of an instruction to the football world

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Speaker 6: that I got. And all I can say is.

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Speaker 5: Bez's name is throwing around with so much love and justice.

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Speaker 6: So knows Bez look up bez Ara Morton, but known

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Speaker 6: as an incredible person that we all get to know

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Speaker 6: and love. The best shout out should be Bess Morning Chat.

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Speaker 5: What does an equitable future look like?

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Speaker 6: For me?

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Speaker 5: It's freedom, hey, Like I always go back to.

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Speaker 6: That, and it's it's seeing freedom for our children, young people,

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Speaker 6: particularly subjected to the family policing system, which is what

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Speaker 6: I went through, and also looking at the disproportionate rates

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Speaker 6: of incarceration that we have with children, young people who

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Speaker 6: are incarcerated, particularly the pipeline where people go from the

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Speaker 6: family policing systems such as removal from.

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Speaker 5: Their families and communities. So then the high rates of incarceration.

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Speaker 5: So for me, it would.

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Speaker 6: Be closing those cages, particularly for our children young people,

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Speaker 6: and practically putting in early intervention and prevention support for

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Speaker 6: families and communities. We live in a society where we

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Speaker 6: believe that punishment is a better solution as opposed to

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Speaker 6: appropriate support and intervention means people do often answer me,

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Speaker 6: what can I do to actually contribute to this cause

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Speaker 6: or what can I do to get better involved and

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Speaker 6: play my part. For me, it's a couple of things.

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Speaker 6: It's a listening and amplifying the voices of those with

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Speaker 6: lived experience and those that have been through this process,

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Speaker 6: and it's really really doing that.

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Speaker 5: Deep listening to it's showing up.

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Speaker 6: You'll find a lot of survivors are often the ones

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Speaker 6: that are doing a lot of the groundwork and working

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Speaker 6: with different community organizations, government, non government spaces to say

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Speaker 6: we need to do this, but in order to do that,

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Speaker 6: we need the nation, Indigenous and Nondigenous people together to say, actually,

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Speaker 6: I'm going to show up for this because it's an

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Speaker 6: important cause and because that's a responsibility I have to

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Speaker 6: support this process to support these individuals and people. And

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Speaker 6: the third one is recognize the traditional country.

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Speaker 5: That you're on.

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Speaker 6: So whether you're situated on Bigbal Country, Gadigal, the Maracal, Dungutty,

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Speaker 6: wherever you are around this beautiful sacred land, recognize that

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Speaker 6: within that land that there's a story and with that

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Speaker 6: story probably comes an injustice somewhere along the line, whether

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Speaker 6: it's incarceration or family policing. But reflect on that country

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Speaker 6: that you're on and think about practically, how can I

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Speaker 6: reach out to a local organization that is actually doing

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Speaker 6: the fundamental work to support children and young people or

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Speaker 6: indigenous people overall when it comes to what we are

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Speaker 6: subjected to, so that can be I'm actually going to

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Speaker 6: commit by paying the rate and providing a particular donation

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Speaker 6: to this organization so that they can be sustainable and

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Speaker 6: be able to do the fundamental groundwork.

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Speaker 5: That we know.

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Speaker 6: Our policies and our state system is not doing. And

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Speaker 6: it's actually about that at guess so saying I'm going

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Speaker 6: to stand with this organization because I live on this country,

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Speaker 6: I benefit of this country, I am on stolen land,

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Speaker 6: and I have a responsibility to support and give back.

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Speaker 6: So I'm going to stand with this organization. And when

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Speaker 6: they pull out a calling of love and justice to

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Speaker 6: stand in out, I guess see that I'm going to

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Speaker 6: stand with this organization because the only justice that we

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Speaker 6: ever get Chloe and sisters here today and brothers is

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Speaker 6: the justice we demand, and that's what history has told us,

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Speaker 6: and that's what the future will tell us. We have

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Speaker 6: too many of our children and young people incarcerated. And

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Speaker 6: when our children, young people go through that system, they

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Speaker 6: miss out on opportunities like fair and just workplaces, They

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Speaker 6: miss out on opportunities like becoming professional athletes, They miss

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Speaker 6: out on ever having their foot in the door. And

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Speaker 6: the results that we see are high rates of suicide,

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Speaker 6: there's sink custody, breakdown of families and communities, and there's

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Speaker 6: so much more we can do to create a better future.

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Speaker 6: And all of my work and my book coming out

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Speaker 6: is all centered around reimagining that better future.

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Speaker 5: So I seriously invite everybody to really come on board.

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Speaker 6: Reflect on your country that you're on, where you benefit, live, work,

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Speaker 6: play whatever you do, and think about giving back to

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Speaker 6: that organization and doing that with integuity and love, so

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Speaker 6: you know it doesn't have to be publicized that you're

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Speaker 6: doing it, but remembering, actually I'm playing my role because

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Speaker 6: everyone has a role to play in creating a better future.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I love that.

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Speaker 1: I think it's so helpful to have such a practical

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Speaker 1: way to make an impact. So thank you Nessa so

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Speaker 1: much for sharing that. Apologies to laws who's popped a

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Speaker 1: question there. We've run out of time to answer that one,

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Speaker 1: but I just wanted to do a final Each of

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Speaker 1: the panelists will start with you, Hannah, just a ten

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Speaker 1: second little self plug for where people can find you.

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Speaker 1: Any little projects you want to give a quick shout

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Speaker 1: out to you before we wrap up.

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Speaker 4: The main one would be on Instagram at Cheekmedia dot Co.

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Speaker 4: Otherwise on our website cheek media dot com dot au.

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Speaker 4: And we have three podcasts on Apple and Spotify that

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Speaker 4: will be found under cheek as well. And I've got

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Speaker 4: a book coming out in October That's a while away,

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Speaker 4: but you know, put on the list somewhere.

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Speaker 2: I love it, Love it over to you, says Yessie.

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Speaker 7: You can find me on Instagram. My handle is at

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Speaker 7: Sarah and Gama. My name is also there, I think

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Speaker 3: You'll find it.

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Speaker 2: Love it and Vanessa.

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Speaker 6: Probably similar social media Instagram Nanessa Turble, Roberts, Twitter, Turnbull

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Speaker 6: Vanessa and similar to sister Hannah.

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Speaker 1: Here.

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Speaker 6: My books due to come out next year. But I've

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Speaker 6: just got to do a bit of the end of

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Speaker 6: the middle of the beginning and we should be done.

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Speaker 2: That's hard work.

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to say a huge thank you to

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Speaker 1: the three of you in particular. My heart feels so

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Speaker 1: full having the opportunity to have you on this platform

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Speaker 1: to share your incredible stories. You're such strong, powerful women,

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Speaker 1: women who are paving the way for so many who

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Speaker 1: will come after you, and it it's a real honor

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Speaker 1: to have had your voices and your experience with us today.

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Speaker 2: So thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much to everyone who's tuned in live.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much to our partners Echo and workplace Laura,

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Speaker 1: and to my incredible team at TEFAP who brought this

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Speaker 1: all together. I've absolutely loved it. I hope you guys got.

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Speaker 2: Something out of it. And yeah, thank you again to

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Speaker 2: my three panelists.

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Speaker 1: I really really appreciate your time and your stories. Thanks,

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Speaker 1: thanks so much, and don't forget you can follow us

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Speaker 1: on Instagram at the Female Athlete Project.