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Speaker 1: Once again, this season, Quantus is pradsbyby flying Australia's cricketers

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Speaker 1: as they take on the world. Everyone and welcome back

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Speaker 1: to The Unplayable Podcast. Josh Onafinger here to check in

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Speaker 1: ahead of the T twenty World Cup which is being

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Speaker 1: held in India and Sri Lanka. Ben McDermott is the

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Speaker 1: special guest on today's episode. He was part of the

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Speaker 1: Hurricane side that just fell short against the Sixers in

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Speaker 1: the most recent Big Bash. The Sixers of course lost

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Speaker 1: the final to the Perth Scorches who claimed their sixth title.

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Speaker 1: Incredible stuff from the side from the West. They just

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Speaker 1: do it again and Ben McDermott is going to give

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Speaker 1: us a few insights on that tournament and also tell

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Speaker 1: us what it's like to play in Pakistan, where the

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Speaker 1: Aussie men are heading next. Ben was part of that

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Speaker 1: most recent tour to Pakistan in twenty twenty two. He

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Speaker 1: did pretty well on it as well as you'll hear

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Speaker 1: in the chat. But he joins us in just a

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Speaker 1: few moments to give us the loadown on what they

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Speaker 1: should expect and what's coming up. There's also that T

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Speaker 1: twenty World Cup which follows these three matches. Now, Australia

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Speaker 1: play those three matches against Pakistan in four days January

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Speaker 1: twenty nine, January thirty first, and February first, before their

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Speaker 1: T twenty World Cup campaign begins on February eleven. They're

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Speaker 1: taking on Island in Colombo to kick things off in

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Speaker 1: that tournament. They've also got Zimbabwe, Oman and Sri Lanka

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Speaker 1: some time to find their feet. A few champions joining

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Speaker 1: So lots of players in great form after another fantastic

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Speaker 1: big Bash campaign. Let's not waste more time. We'll bring

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Speaker 1: in Ben McDermott, who's here to join the Unplayabolek podcast.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, as mentioned off the top, Pakistan again a

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Speaker 1: that T twenty World Cup next month. So who better

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Speaker 1: how's it going Ben?

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Speaker 2: Good? Thanks mate, Thanks having me.

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Speaker 1: No worries it all. Let's start with a big bash

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Speaker 1: because the Hurricanes, of course we're reigning champions, just fell

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Speaker 1: How did you feel like the season went as a

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Speaker 3: I think you know, when you set out to start

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Speaker 3: go all the way, and we were lucky enough to

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Speaker 3: do that. We've lost we lost a few of our

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Speaker 3: it probably hurt us a little bit when you lose

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Speaker 3: Nice to get us into the finals and give our

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Speaker 1: And you took the rains as well. With Nathan Allis

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Speaker 3: I never say never, man, I think if I'm here

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Speaker 1: Who are you representing in the Malaysian League?

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Speaker 1: The Hong Kong sixes looks like so much fun. From

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Speaker 1: Do you reckon there's any scope for that sort of

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Speaker 2: I think you'd never say never.

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Speaker 3: I think Rossie, our captain over there, was talking about

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Speaker 1: So it goes Harlem globe trotter's style.

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Speaker 2: He's taken me back. I haven't been keeping up with.

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Speaker 3: To Yeah, just trying to tick them all off, mate,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm really enjoying the freedom.

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Speaker 1: That's great. Well, there's plenty of connections at the MLC mate,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, one d per that'd be great. Albeit some Sydney

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Speaker 2: That'd be great.

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Speaker 1: Great stuff, Mane. Appreciate your time and all the best

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Speaker 2: Thank you, I appreciate it. Thanks for having me on

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