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Speaker 1: There is so much happening this week, and we've had

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Speaker 1: so many wonderful conversations, tough conversations, but really really important

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Speaker 1: conversations this week in my opinion, about Cyclone Tracy and

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Speaker 1: so many of our Cyclone Tracy survivors on the show

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Speaker 1: as we edge closer to the commemorations of the fiftieth

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Speaker 1: anniversary of Cyclone Tracy, and it was it was one

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Speaker 1: of the country's most devastating natural disasters. It claims sixty

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Speaker 1: six lives. Now, my next guest was six years old

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Speaker 1: at the time of living in Rapid Creek as well

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Speaker 1: with his family. And I'm pleased to say this. I've

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Speaker 1: got in the studio with me this morning, Emilio Gonzardi

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Speaker 1: and cez Arena Gonzarti, his mother. Good morning to you both.

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Speaker 2: Good it is.

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Speaker 1: Lovely to have you both in this studio. And Emilio,

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Speaker 1: you are a loyal listener. I really appreciate that. I

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Speaker 1: love getting to meet my listeners and it's really good

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Speaker 1: your story, both of you when it comes to Cyclone Tracy. Now, Emelia,

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Speaker 1: I might start with you six years old, do you

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Speaker 1: remember where you were on Christmas Eve.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're in our passageway near our kitchen, and we

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Speaker 3: had a mattress on both sides of the wall, so

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Speaker 3: hear like you can hear the suction. And obviously everyone

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Speaker 3: does talk about the noise. The noise was a horrible

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Speaker 3: how I don't think anyone's ever going to forget that noise.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's been one of the things that a lot

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Speaker 1: of people have seen, is that was that noise ces Arena.

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Speaker 1: You're obviously in the house as well with the family. Yes,

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Speaker 1: what was it like knowing that you had to look

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was terrible, but I haven't my husband. My

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Speaker 4: husband helped us a lot, you know, in everything. You know,

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Speaker 4: he said to not people worry, everything be okay. And

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Speaker 4: my foot was after the thing. It was all in

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Speaker 4: the water or no worry, no worries, you know. And

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Speaker 4: it was good, you know, and why it was good,

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Speaker 4: you know, why we have somebody, you know. If my

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Speaker 4: husband was working in Catharine, I was lucky it was

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Speaker 4: a cycling tracy. He wasn't dying if he was, if

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Speaker 4: he was a true different time, I was by myself.

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Speaker 2: With the kids in the house. I don't know what happened.

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Speaker 1: Scary Hi, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: That actually because we had something bang really bad and

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Speaker 3: Dad had mentioned I don't remember this part of it,

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Speaker 3: but you know, Dad had mentioned to Mum that one

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Speaker 3: of the roof sheets was banging on the roof. So

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Speaker 3: when everything went quiet, this is where us kids learnt

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Speaker 3: all our Italian swear words, because Dad put his nail

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Speaker 3: bag on, got the ladder and raced up on the

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Speaker 3: roofs were nailed with nails. And he started nailing the

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Speaker 3: corner of the roof back down and Mum was going.

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Speaker 5: Off her head.

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Speaker 5: I think he came.

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Speaker 3: Back inside and it's probably that that probably saved our

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Speaker 3: a constantina effect and it just yeah, was our hero.

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Speaker 1: Well, he sounds like he was a hero. He sounds

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Speaker 1: he was okay. So for you guys, what was it

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Speaker 2: Noise or the wind was terrible.

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Speaker 4: I never hear I never he neither noise like that

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Speaker 4: look like a whizzled, you know, but really loud. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Did you think like did it? Did you think to yourself,

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Speaker 3: Well, myself, as a kid, I probably wouldn't have understood

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Speaker 2: And oh the wind in their house. We have a

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Speaker 4: Bash look like big bomb got through the house glass everywhere,

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Speaker 4: you know, But my husband would saying, no worry, no

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Speaker 1: No how how like a real you know what I'm

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Speaker 5: I always said he was my hero.

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Speaker 1: He sounds like he is a you know, a really

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Speaker 3: So we had a really massive, big mango tree in

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Speaker 3: And then it was just dead quiet and my dad.

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Speaker 3: I'll never ever forget my dad's words. He said, the

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Speaker 3: And then he made sure that we're all okay, and

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Speaker 3: then he said, I'm going to check our friends and

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Speaker 3: he took off. So Dad took off through the streets

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Speaker 3: to all our friends that were close by to see if.

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Speaker 1: They were all okay and how were they all?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they were all. They all survived. And then after

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Speaker 3: we had our bath was our They sterilized the bath

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Speaker 3: Saved it saved it just as something. But we were

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Speaker 5: A different way.

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Speaker 3: So you know, like you don't understand the trauma side

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Speaker 3: it's probably a horrible thing to say, but it was

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Speaker 1: Me because you were young, because I was young and.

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Speaker 3: Not understanding, like you saw all the devastation and the

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Speaker 3: the actual understanding of the trauma side of it. As

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Speaker 3: an adult, yeah, I didn't didn't understand that.

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Speaker 1: What's it like for you both or what you know?

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Speaker 1: What was it like sort of after the cyclone and

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Speaker 1: and you know, in terms of people being evacuated, did

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Speaker 4: Now? We go on the Sunday morning, on the Saturday

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Speaker 4: police come through the house and he said to my husband,

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Speaker 2: We went over there and b.

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Speaker 1: And what was it? Did your husband stay?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I bet he did. He's an Italian. He would

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Speaker 1: have been building making sure Darwin was rebuilt.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we had I can't remember, but they had a

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Speaker 3: they had somewhere to stay so they could think. But

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Speaker 3: one thing I do remember as a kid, and this

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Speaker 3: I looked down, and I'm not joking, Katie, that there

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Speaker 3: But then when we got into the airport, there was

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Speaker 5: I wore this outfit.

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Speaker 3: I had the hat and everything, the pistols.

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Speaker 1: Did you just let him do whatever he wanted?

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Speaker 4: It was there was a good kid. Honestly, I had

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Speaker 4: to say nothing. Like my husband said, he said, thank god.

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Speaker 4: They said we have two good kids. Ye never askid drink,

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Speaker 2: There was terrific.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Tell me then after you were evacuated, after you

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Speaker 1: were you know, you're you're away. What was it like

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Speaker 1: coming back to Darwin after seeing the place flattened?

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Speaker 2: Oh, I allowed to be back.

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Speaker 4: I allowed to be coming back and I could die

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Speaker 4: over there and my house was darving.

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Speaker 3: I think I think obviously I didn't understand a lot

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Speaker 3: the stories that you'd hear at home and all that,

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Speaker 3: you know, it was just one thing that And I

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Speaker 3: always say this, like whenever Australia has a disaster, we're united,

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Speaker 3: you know, I think we all get together. It doesn't matter.

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Speaker 3: And I think like, and I can be corrected on it.

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Speaker 3: I think Alice Springs was the biggest contributor financially when

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Speaker 3: it came.

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Speaker 1: To right, but it could be yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 5: I mean per capital yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and so yeah, I just yeah, everyone helped everyone.

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Speaker 1: And how are you both feeling now as the fiftieth

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Speaker 4: It's not very good memory, but you have to put

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Speaker 4: two years ago I lost my husband. Yeah, and you

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Speaker 2: Daughter in law, they're lovely, lovely people.

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Speaker 1: Oh you're a beautiful person though as well. Of course

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Speaker 4: Have it too, lovely granddaughter. Yeah yeah, they love me.

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Speaker 4: You know, I'm not looking for nothing else. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Eighty nine, you're in good, Nick, chess Arena.

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Speaker 2: You look good.

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Speaker 1: You're a little pocket rocket. Only you're shorty like me,

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Speaker 2: Tell you when to be short. My father says all

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Speaker 3: I look every year come Christmas, you know, have a

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Speaker 3: I really struggle being inside and I don't know why. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I got no idea.

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Speaker 3: But when I hear that wind blow, I think it

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Speaker 5: So, yeah, it's horrible.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, to bring back you know, I.

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Speaker 3: Don't mind the heavy rains and stuff like that. I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, look, I really appreciate you both coming in

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Speaker 1: a really important week. I think of radio of all

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Speaker 4: And another thing, if you know the syclone come, we

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Speaker 2: We know what happened, and you know, you know what

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Speaker 3: I think like also too, we have to be grateful

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Speaker 5: No, it's incredible actually keep town going.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, And do you like did you like the coins?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's yeah, I got one Ieah.

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Speaker 3: That to me means more than anything like the coin,

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Speaker 3: because you know it's got the plane and it's got

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Speaker 3: the eye and I think Luke Gosling got.

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Speaker 5: That one spot on correct. Yeah, you did a good job.

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Speaker 1: Well look, I really appreciate you both joining me this

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Speaker 1: morning on the show. Emilio and cez Arena. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for your time. I really appreciate it. Thank

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Speaker 1: you have a lovely Christmas as well, look after yourselves.

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Speaker 2: You all the best, thanks and all the mixed prey.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Thanks so much.