Speaker 1: The Rising Conquer Podcast acknowledges the traditional custodians of the
Speaker 1: land which this episode is being recorded, the Yugen Bear region.
Speaker 1: We further acknowledge country throughout Australia and their connections to land,
Speaker 1: sea and community. We pay our respect to their elders
Speaker 1: past and present and extend that respect to all Aboriginal
Speaker 1: and terrestrid Islander peoples today. Hello and welcome back to
Speaker 1: the Rise and Conquer Podcasts. This is the podcast for
Speaker 1: ordinary people who want to do extraordinary things. Hello and
Speaker 1: welcome back to the Rising Conker Podcast. It is your host,
Speaker 1: Georgie Stephenson, and we are back with a g's hot.
Speaker 1: These are our fun Friday epps where you send in
Speaker 1: your life dilemmas and Me and a Tea provide you
Speaker 1: with our unqualified two cents on the situation. Guys, A
Speaker 1: Tea is back from a month holiday. Hi everybody, she's
Speaker 1: lost her voice. I have lost my voice, but I'm
Speaker 1: not sick. A Tia Howe was Dubai in Africa?
Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely amazing. Dubai is honestly one of my most
Speaker 2: favorite places I think I've been to. Everything is just
Speaker 2: next level.
Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of people travel to Dubai and
Speaker 1: it looks epic, but I've just never like never known,
Speaker 1: so after you telling me about Dubai, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's on the list.
Speaker 2: Now, Yes, guys, definitely highly recommend. It's just and I
Speaker 2: feel like it's a very convenient place to travel to
Speaker 2: on the way to somewhere else. And it's like one
Speaker 2: of those places that I'm pretty confident in saying that.
Speaker 2: I think every time I go overseas, now just stay
Speaker 2: there for it two or three days.
Speaker 1: Just stop over and Duby. Yeah, because I'm a traveler. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I have the time. Love And also how was Africa?
Speaker 1: How I was going back home? It was beautiful, I
Speaker 1: because you're from Zimbabwe, I.
Speaker 2: Was born there yet, and I just I haven't seen
Speaker 2: my family since twenty sixteen, so lots of tears, but
Speaker 2: it was so nice to be with everyone and around everyone,
Speaker 2: and I didn't realize how much I needed that.
Speaker 1: Again, Like, I.
Speaker 2: Feel a lot more rejuvenated and relaxed about everything. And
Speaker 2: I was very wound up I think before I left,
Speaker 2: and now I'm just very calm and ready to get
Speaker 2: back into things.
Speaker 1: Very refreshed. You feel very grounded, Yes, very grounded. It was.
Speaker 1: It was nice to put things into perspective again. I think, yes,
Speaker 1: we'll tell us a little bit more about that. What
Speaker 1: do you mean by that? Yeah, So.
Speaker 2: We obviously moved here in two thousand and seven because
Speaker 2: things in Zimbabwe started going quite down hill, and it
Speaker 2: every time I've gone back since we moved, if you
Speaker 2: asked me if I'd lived there, I would have said
Speaker 2: yes because of the amount of family I have there,
Speaker 2: it outweighed how bad the situation was. This time I
Speaker 2: would probably say no, just because, like it's the point
Speaker 2: where there are no road lines, there are no road rules.
Speaker 1: That really got you to Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was like, I need rules, I need rules, but
Speaker 2: like it's just not safe. It took me a week
Speaker 2: to get comfortable.
Speaker 1: To drive there. And you said that they like cut
Speaker 1: the water and power.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the wedding, the week of the wedding, they
Speaker 2: cut the water for the whole week, so we had
Speaker 2: to buy water and have it delivered to the house
Speaker 2: every day, which was insane. And that's just what the
Speaker 2: government does there and it's not something we'd ever think
Speaker 2: about here. Like when we turn the lights, which the
Speaker 2: lights come on when we turn our tap, the water
Speaker 2: comes out, and it's not because people aren't paying their bills.
Speaker 2: It's just because they've decided, oh, we didn't have enough,
Speaker 2: so you're just not gonna get any for the next
Speaker 2: five days. And it's very sad to see that. But
Speaker 2: it also for me, everyone there is so resilient and
Speaker 2: so positive about stuff no matter what, and I it
Speaker 2: just put everything into perspective for me because now things
Speaker 2: happen and I'm like, you know what, I've got it good?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh I love that's that's really good. And it's
Speaker 1: like so beautiful that you got to see your family
Speaker 1: and really have that family time too. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: the best is that times? The best I know is
Speaker 1: that your recommendation of the weak. Yes, family time and
Speaker 1: a holiday and dubai. I'm in a holiday and Dubai.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think even just taking time to do nothing
Speaker 2: because I was at home for three weeks, but I
Speaker 2: wouldn't say I did too many touristy things like I
Speaker 2: didn't go to any parks or anything like that. But
Speaker 2: just taking the time to be with yourself and your
Speaker 2: loved ones and reflect and enjoy things and just take
Speaker 2: it slow. It's just so important.
Speaker 1: I love that I feel the sack same way. I
Speaker 1: don't know if maybe everyone's feeling like this, but when
Speaker 1: we went to Fiji, I did not want to do
Speaker 1: boat trips or go do you know Cloud nine and
Speaker 1: Fiji or anything like that. Like I was like, I
Speaker 1: just want to chill. I just want to be myself
Speaker 1: and enjoyed Tim and Ivy and that's even like it
Speaker 1: was my birthday on Wednesday, and happy birthday, thank you
Speaker 1: and thank you rn C fam. I have so many
Speaker 1: beautiful messages from you guys, and I do appreciate it.
Speaker 1: So I'm twenty eight big, twenty two zero. What she's
Speaker 1: twenty no big and two eight fuck, you know, And
Speaker 1: I just wanted to do I was saying to a tear.
Speaker 1: Like last year, my birthday was so bougie. I was
Speaker 1: at Hamilton Island, you know. For my birthday present, Tim
Speaker 1: bought me a new diamond ring. Like I got so
Speaker 1: many presents. It was just like I was pregnant. It
Speaker 1: was just a huge birthday and so much happening, like
Speaker 1: really for and then this birthday, super chill didn't work.
Speaker 1: Me and Tim just took Ivy to buy and Bay
Speaker 1: and we did the Lighthouse Walk and went to the
Speaker 1: farm and just like had lunch and spent time together
Speaker 1: and it was so chill. But it's like it felt
Speaker 1: like this, like it just felt like, oh thank God.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I've like told my friends I don't want
Speaker 1: to do anything like it's just I just need some
Speaker 1: space and I need to chill. So I feel like
Speaker 1: maybe everyone's feeling like this. Citia. Actually, let's put this
Speaker 1: on a poll tomorrow and let's see how everyone is
Speaker 1: feeling in regards to are you just like us, where
Speaker 1: you're like I just want to chill, I just want
Speaker 1: to go inwards? Or are you Georgie last year? I'd
Speaker 1: love to know how you guys are feeling. My recommendation
Speaker 1: for the week. I can't remember if I've recommended this.
Speaker 1: I think I have, but I'm still gonna recommend it again.
Speaker 1: I'm still watching the TV show The Split, which is
Speaker 1: all about family life and just drama. I love that.
Speaker 1: I love drama. That's what you studied, isn't it family law? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So I studied law and I worked in family law,
Speaker 1: so I feel like I can like relate somehow. I
Speaker 1: loved suits because of the law side of it. So yeah,
Speaker 1: TV show The Split loving it. Guys. This episode is chaotic.
Speaker 2: It's actually, I think the most chaotic episode we've ever recorded.
Speaker 1: So we started off with like usual hotline questions, and
Speaker 1: then we went me and a Tear went rogue because
Speaker 1: I was just craving deep conversation, and we went rogue
Speaker 1: about I actually can't even remember what we spoke about
Speaker 1: now a tiar, but we spoke about the afterlife. We
Speaker 1: spoke about what we think happens when we die.
Speaker 2: Yeah, incarnation came up as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we also spoke a lot about A Tears
Speaker 1: religion and kind of what you believe and then kind
Speaker 1: of off that your self beliefs too. Yes, I kind
Speaker 1: of can't remember what I said. And I was like
Speaker 1: thinking about this the other day and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh god, I hope I said was okay, you know
Speaker 1: how like, yeah, I'm worried.
Speaker 2: I'm like, was it too controversial? I know?
Speaker 1: But I just like I have thoughts. But I feel
Speaker 1: like also as people were allowed to have beliefs and
Speaker 1: we're allowed to change them.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, So it's like whatever I say, whatever. But honestly, guys,
Speaker 2: this is juicy again.
Speaker 1: We're going to put a poll on stories and just
Speaker 1: see what you guys think about these questions because they're
Speaker 1: a bit controversial. What I think is like completely different
Speaker 1: to a tea and vice versa. But it was like
Speaker 1: such a beautiful chat. I loved it. Yeah, so nice,
Speaker 1: and I think that like the big takeaway was just
Speaker 1: everyone is allowed to have their own opinions and to
Speaker 1: be open minded and to have these conversations because it's Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was really incredible. I went away being like, I
Speaker 1: loved that chat me too. All right, guys, let's get
Speaker 1: straight into the body.
Speaker 2: If you had the opportunity to be told exactly how
Speaker 2: your life would pan out, would you want to know?
Speaker 1: Oh, one hundred and percent have you met me, I'm
Speaker 1: the biggest control of Oh, I don't know. I think
Speaker 1: I would because I'm a sicko and I just love
Speaker 1: to know. Yeah, I feel like you would too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, I feel like I absolutely would, but I'd
Speaker 2: try so hard to resist it, and I just would
Speaker 2: not be able to resist the temptation of being told.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: That's my bit. So here's my dilemma to you. What
Speaker 1: if you then got told what your life would look
Speaker 1: like and it's like it's bleak, it's not good.
Speaker 2: See what would you do then, spy. Probably Yeah, you would,
Speaker 2: like you'd end up in a pretty big hole and
Speaker 2: you'd have to pull yourself out and sort of just
Speaker 2: remember that, like that's not necessarily what would happen?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think I just go I don't know. See,
Speaker 1: I'm also a big believer. I believe in psychics, and
Speaker 1: I also believe in like parallel not universes. But like
Speaker 1: I believe that any choice you make there's then like
Speaker 1: multiple outcomes that can happen. And you're constantly, like you know,
Speaker 1: peaking a life. So I believe that you making them
Speaker 1: different choices you would have a different outcome.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I one hundred percent agree.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go rogue here. What do you believe in
Speaker 1: regards to like the afterlife? What's your beliefs?
Speaker 2: I think heaven and hell exist really yeah?
Speaker 1: Is that a religious belief?
Speaker 2: A little bit?
Speaker 1: But I also what is the afterlife belief with your religions?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Pretty much heaven and heaven and Hell? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: but it's just like this concept that.
Speaker 1: So a tears Muslim. Yes, yes, just so you guys.
Speaker 2: They're gonna be like what religion, there's like a day
Speaker 2: of judgment kind of thing, and then you get judged.
Speaker 2: Have you ever heard the phrase the pathway to hell
Speaker 2: is paved with good intentions?
Speaker 1: No, but that's mind boggling to me. What does that mean?
Speaker 2: So that's like some people say that in the sense
Speaker 2: that you can try to be doing a good thing
Speaker 2: for someone and then something will go wrong and they'll
Speaker 2: end up being hurt kind of thing. So that's what
Speaker 2: some people say. I know, but like some people believe
Speaker 2: that that, Like it's like a saying, saying whereas in
Speaker 2: my religion you are judged purely on your intentions.
Speaker 1: Else I love that.
Speaker 2: So it doesn't matter what the outcome. It doesn't matter
Speaker 2: what the outcome of your decision is. It's the feeling
Speaker 2: you had in your heart when you decided. Say example,
Speaker 2: if you're just genuinely a good person, yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 1: So even if you accidentally killed someone in a car crash,
Speaker 1: it's still fine.
Speaker 2: Because it's not like you're going to help. Yeah, or like,
Speaker 2: for example, some people who will try to hurt someone
Speaker 2: will harm someone or affect someone negatively and it actually
Speaker 2: works out great for that person and they're like great,
Speaker 2: but they still did a bad thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Interesting yeah, but then like it's just like so hard
Speaker 2: because I used to be Jehovah's witness, so we very
Speaker 2: much were the same where it was like heaven and hell,
Speaker 2: but like heaven was like called the Garden of Eve,
Speaker 2: where once you get a different name, Yeah, you would
Speaker 2: go to like the garden, which is this great place
Speaker 2: where everyone's happy and you know whatever.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I just had this weird. I don't
Speaker 1: I the whole like going to hell vibe just kind
Speaker 1: of yes, I don't vibe with it.
Speaker 2: I feel like, and this is do not take this
Speaker 2: as this is my opinion. This is not my religion.
Speaker 2: This is our own appearance too, silly gallops talking on
Speaker 2: a podcast. I feel that God would forgive you for
Speaker 2: what whatever needed.
Speaker 1: Oh you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Okay, I feel like I don't think anyone's ever going
Speaker 2: to be put in Hell.
Speaker 1: So you don't think it exists, No, you think I think.
Speaker 2: It exists because I think, like I very much believe
Speaker 2: in evil spirits kind of thing. I know, even evil spirits,
Speaker 2: and I do think that that's probably where they are.
Speaker 2: But I don't think people's souls get badished there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, because that's the concept I can't deal
Speaker 1: with because I think also there's a lot of people
Speaker 1: who do bad things, but if you really look at
Speaker 1: their lives, it's usually because people did bad things to them, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they didn't know any better. And so it then
Speaker 1: kind of hurts my heart thinking that, you know, people
Speaker 1: would then go to hell where it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: they grew up an abusive household, you know, just stuff
Speaker 1: like that. It just like almost doesn't sit right with
Speaker 1: me because I like to believe, like you believe it.
Speaker 1: I don't know, because if you look at the actual
Speaker 1: soul of someone in its like purest form, because I
Speaker 1: I believe in like universe Source, God is like all
Speaker 1: the same thing, and it's just this higher thing. It's
Speaker 1: not a man, it's not God. It's like just a
Speaker 1: higher thing and it's not a person.
Speaker 2: We're taught that.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, I kind of like that. And but
Speaker 1: also I believe our souls are all a piece of it,
Speaker 1: so like we are all source, we are all and
Speaker 1: that's why I'm so big into like intuition. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: you know the saying I say, a tear of like
Speaker 1: you can't fuck it up if you're following your intuition.
Speaker 1: You can't fuck it up because I'm I'm at that faith,
Speaker 1: I'm a piece of source. It's like I am you know,
Speaker 1: that thing. So it's like I can't fuck it up
Speaker 1: because I am you know, I don't want to say
Speaker 1: the words I am God because people take that out
Speaker 1: of context. But do you know what I mean? Like
Speaker 1: I am that purest form of universe source.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's.
Speaker 1: Like I can't fuck it up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now I know what you mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So then I don't know, And I think I
Speaker 1: struggle a little bit with the whole you know, in
Speaker 1: my religion and Jehovah's witness religion, it's kind of like
Speaker 1: Jhovah and Jesus and it's like very much these people
Speaker 1: are put on a pedestal, and I just like, am
Speaker 1: I I don't know? You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah? No, I know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I like to believe in a higher power. I like
Speaker 1: to believe in something beyond me, but not in the
Speaker 1: way of I would do anything.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know, I know what you mean.
Speaker 1: I don't know how to articulate it. But I think
Speaker 1: also growing up because my religion was like really pushed
Speaker 1: on to me and it just didn't feel right, it
Speaker 1: didn't sit well. I then went through a stage of
Speaker 1: retaliation where I was like, what's the word when you're
Speaker 1: not religious?
Speaker 2: Atheist?
Speaker 1: I'm atheist. I used to say that because I was
Speaker 1: like to.
Speaker 2: Your parents, yeah, because I was just like I just.
Speaker 1: Felt so like they pushed things on me, and I
Speaker 1: was like, I don't I don't want to do this,
Speaker 1: I think. And then I kind of have, you know,
Speaker 1: went through my self development journey and like my spirituality
Speaker 1: really grew and I'm now at this thing where I'm like,
Speaker 1: I definitely believe in this higher purpose, this higher thing,
Speaker 1: something beyond me. But like I said, I like to
Speaker 1: think that we work together, we co create. I am
Speaker 1: a piece of that, and it's so yeah, it's just like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, it feels different. It feels good to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's what matters. And I think, especially with religion,
Speaker 2: it really comes down to how your parents teach it
Speaker 2: to you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and how it's because I don't know religion. To
Speaker 1: me growing up, it just felt like a bunch of rules. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and no sex before marriage, no smoking, no, like it
Speaker 1: just felt so restrictive, so restrictive, and I felt and
Speaker 1: it also was a little bit hard for me because
Speaker 1: my mum was really religious in you know, being a
Speaker 1: Jevia's witness, and then like my dad tried to support
Speaker 1: it for her, but he also felt weird because he smoked,
Speaker 1: he you know, drank, he he just didn't feel like
Speaker 1: he belonged, so he never used to come with us.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, it just kind of felt like
Speaker 1: this like weird dynamic as well.
Speaker 2: That's so fair.
Speaker 1: Yeah, interesting.
Speaker 2: I think I got lucky with how my parents taught me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the way you describe it, it's really quite beautiful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that is just very much. And I know
Speaker 2: it's just from the way I've been taught in because
Speaker 2: I know people equally who have been taught slightly different
Speaker 2: ways by their parents and they have also retaliated and
Speaker 2: they don't like it kind of thing. And I think
Speaker 2: my mum always taught me, I will give you the
Speaker 2: book and you can read all the stuff, but at
Speaker 2: the end of the day, it's your connection with God
Speaker 2: or the higher power and everything, and it's your faith
Speaker 2: and that that matters. It's not anything else. So it's
Speaker 2: very much. They focused a lot on the spirituality and
Speaker 2: the morals rather than like you have to dress this
Speaker 2: way and you have to do this, and you have
Speaker 2: to do that. And that's how I came to like
Speaker 2: love it in a way.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Actually on that point, something that I really did
Speaker 1: love about growing up religious is the morals. Absolutely, the
Speaker 1: morals like were so instilled with me until this day.
Speaker 1: Like I feel like I have really great morals because
Speaker 1: of a religion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like a moral and ethical compass.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like I do have a really strong one.
Speaker 1: And I remember kind of being in high school and
Speaker 1: I went to a public high school, which was like
Speaker 1: there was a lot's happening. You know. I'm sure it
Speaker 1: happened from private school too, but like, yeah, there was
Speaker 1: a lot happening, and I kind of remember thinking, oh,
Speaker 1: thank god, I've got a bit of like a moral compass, yeah,
Speaker 1: because you can kind of like I could just kind
Speaker 1: of tell other people didn't have the same upbringing. And
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, I was still pretty wild. I
Speaker 1: was a bit of a wild child while so it's like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, imagine. But that's something I did really
Speaker 1: like because still to this day, I have those morals. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and still do you believe in like angels, absolutely, and
Speaker 1: like what and what's it called? I've completely forgotten the
Speaker 1: world like the people like your angels, your people who like.
Speaker 2: Your guardian angels.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, do you believe that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, But that's not religiously I've got so like
Speaker 2: there's a lot of different interpretation, Like with how Christianity,
Speaker 2: there's all these different like sects I think that's the word.
Speaker 2: I'm not one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: Sure, Like we'll go with it. Concepts.
Speaker 2: Concept I don't know. It's like groups of belief. Oh okay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: The same thing with like Islam, where there's like lots
Speaker 2: of different like schools of thought, and then that even
Speaker 2: gets more separated, like there's four different ways you can pray,
Speaker 2: and then all those four different ways of following have
Speaker 2: slightly different rules for things. And then in that then
Speaker 2: there's people who are more on the spiritual side and
Speaker 2: people who aren't, like they just don't believe in it
Speaker 2: at all.
Speaker 1: Interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And another thing I've noticed is there's a huge
Speaker 2: cultural overlay that people get confused with religion when like
Speaker 2: there's like Middle Eastern Muslims and there's Indian Muslims and
Speaker 2: like everybody's different. Yeah, because like I've had people ask
Speaker 2: me like, why do you like that your religion sexist?
Speaker 2: And I'm like, no, it's not. It's actually Middle Eastern
Speaker 2: culture that is a little bit sexist sometimes, like the
Speaker 2: women used to never used to be able to drive
Speaker 2: and stuff. They're okay, yeah, in like Dubai and everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So because my cousin's Muslim, oh love. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: she she went to Africa and she married this beautiful
Speaker 1: Muslim man and she became Muslim, and so yeah, I've
Speaker 1: been introduced to it. And that's like I loved having
Speaker 1: conversations with her. It's so insightful because it's just you know,
Speaker 1: Western media really kind of puts that picture in your head.
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, and like that's also another layer to it
Speaker 2: kind of thing. But yeah, there's just so many different Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's hard to explain that it's layered.
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably probably a podcast. Yeah, really wrote the last
Speaker 1: question though, I'm just very intrigued. Do you believe in reincarnation?
Speaker 1: I don't think so, See I I just I do,
Speaker 1: and I believe. For example, like a big question that
Speaker 1: I get in the project about you know, when I believe,
Speaker 1: like everything kind of happens for a reason. You know,
Speaker 1: trust your intuition, trust your angels, like believe in you know,
Speaker 1: this high thing, believe the universe always had your back.
Speaker 1: You're guided. And then you know have people who are
Speaker 1: like what about just like also that concept I talk
Speaker 1: to you about, like, you know, when something bad is happening,
Speaker 1: try and think of the lesson you're learning or you know,
Speaker 1: what's the reason here rather than it being a negative,
Speaker 1: like turn it into a positive. And so I often
Speaker 1: have kind of the reaction of bit, what about like
Speaker 1: the really bad shit, like just the shit that it's like,
Speaker 1: there's no possible lesson here, There's no blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: like you know, like children getting killed sort of bad stuff.
Speaker 1: And the way that I kind of explain it and
Speaker 1: what I believe in is we are all souls and
Speaker 1: so like right now is we are living out a
Speaker 1: like before I got put into this body, I was
Speaker 1: a soul and I completely knew what was going to
Speaker 1: happen in this lifetime. All the lessons I was going
Speaker 1: to learn, all the people I was going to meet,
Speaker 1: all the lives I was going to change for good
Speaker 1: for the bad, and that is all decided before I'm
Speaker 1: like reincarnated, and it's all because your soul needs to
Speaker 1: learn lessons, needs to like you know, go throughout life.
Speaker 1: And that's why people here, they'll go through a really
Speaker 1: tough life and this is a lifetime where they learn
Speaker 1: you know, hard lessons or they go through certain experiences
Speaker 1: because everyone needs to learn those experiences.
Speaker 2: And so then they'll die and then they'll go back
Speaker 2: again to the beginning.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like because you know, almost like the saying of
Speaker 1: oh gosh, if someone's got bad luck, like they must
Speaker 1: have done something bad in a past life. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: we have like we have this friend, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: he just has the worst luck.
Speaker 2: Like I'm talking the like he's had I think like
Speaker 2: three people try and kill themselves in front of his car.
Speaker 2: I'm talking just like like bad luck.
Speaker 1: Just he's like gone to prison, like just oh my god,
Speaker 1: certain stuff. And there's a joke about, you know, like
Speaker 1: he must have really mustn't like Hitler in a past
Speaker 1: live or something because he just has the worst luck. Anyway,
Speaker 1: that's like beside the point. But that's just a group joke.
Speaker 1: Poor guy. But yeah, I don't know, I kind of
Speaker 1: believe in that. So it's like when someone's having a
Speaker 1: really you know.
Speaker 2: Unexplainably tough time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's kind of like, you know, that's what
Speaker 1: their soul has chosen for whatever reason. And I don't know.
Speaker 1: I definitely believe in reincarnation and it almost makes me
Speaker 1: feel better because it's not like you just die and
Speaker 1: that's it. It's my soul will then go out to
Speaker 1: you know, do its thing another time.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And it's like I've had psychic readings and she has
Speaker 1: said to me, you're a young soul. You've only been
Speaker 1: here a couple of times. And then where's my girlfriend.
Speaker 1: She's like, oh, you're an old soul. And my girlfriend
Speaker 1: like you can tell she's an old soul.
Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, I don't know. That's cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I think reincarnation, isn't that Buddhism and Hindu
Speaker 1: and Hindu, Yeah.
Speaker 2: They believe in reincarnation, I think. Yeah, And that's why
Speaker 2: they have so many I think that's why they have
Speaker 2: so many different gods. I'm not one hundred percentual, Yeah.
Speaker 1: They have a few. I don't know. It's like almost,
Speaker 1: I that's not me being religious any point, that's just
Speaker 1: me having certain views. But yeah, it almost I don't know.
Speaker 1: With like religion and views. I think it's almost what
Speaker 1: comforts you, yeah, and what feels good to you and
Speaker 1: what makes you feel like connect you Yeah, connected and
Speaker 1: have a purposeful life. Yeah, absolutely, which is actually the
Speaker 1: funny tell us can you tell the podcast? No? I can't. Okay,
Speaker 1: I love home Rogue. We're gone. Yeah, Jay's gonna be
Speaker 1: listening being like what fuck?
Speaker 2: I used to be friends with someone. Yeah, and one
Speaker 2: day I think she was just a bit too drunk,
Speaker 2: but she took it upon herself to like give me
Speaker 2: her opinion on everything.
Speaker 1: A lot of it offended me. Oh my god, I
Speaker 1: was about to say this is me when I'm drunk,
Speaker 1: but no, I don't know, like too much, too much,
Speaker 1: like what one of them.
Speaker 2: It was just after the Megan and Harry interview came
Speaker 2: out with Oprah and I love Megan Markle and I
Speaker 2: think she's incredible.
Speaker 1: I love her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think she's amazing.
Speaker 1: I love her.
Speaker 2: And this girl who knew that took it upon herself
Speaker 2: to criticize Megan Mikale and was like, there's no way
Speaker 2: they were racist. How can you blame queen Elizabeth blah
Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah. And this was still like recently
Speaker 2: black Lives matter kind of thing. And I just looked
Speaker 2: at her and I was like, oh, like, what makes
Speaker 2: you say that? And she's like, you can't blame Queen
Speaker 2: Elizabeth for what her ancestors did. And I'm like, no, honey,
Speaker 2: Queen Elizabeth did it.
Speaker 1: But also it's it's not about that.
Speaker 2: It's about audience, but it's also about the structures are
Speaker 2: still in place for that to happen.
Speaker 1: There's still a fucking queen. Yes, you're missing the whole
Speaker 1: point here. I didn't even hear the conversation. I know
Speaker 1: she's missing the point.
Speaker 2: And she and I was just like, man, I'm so
Speaker 2: the wrong person to say this too, Agion. Oh no.
Speaker 2: She was like, I just don't get why people are religious.
Speaker 2: I think that people who are religious are just empty
Speaker 2: and they just need something to fill themselves up. And
Speaker 2: they're just empty inside, so they need religion to fill
Speaker 2: them up.
Speaker 1: And I was like, interesting, opinion, you looked the way.
Speaker 1: You know what my actual pet hate is how closed
Speaker 1: minded some people are. Absolutely that is so closed mind,
Speaker 1: because this is like the beautiful thing is I can
Speaker 1: have my beliefs, you can have your beliefs and they're
Speaker 1: both valid. Absolutely, don't you think that's the beautiful thing.
Speaker 2: And I think if you look hard enough at every
Speaker 2: single religion that exists, it's pretty similar.
Speaker 1: A hundred puck. And that's why I'm like, you.
Speaker 2: Just don't Some people don't want to name for it.
Speaker 2: Some people want to name for it. Some people like
Speaker 2: rules and books, some people don't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I think also, like it's such a great
Speaker 1: point of I think it's so small. For example, if
Speaker 1: I live my life a certain way, like a great
Speaker 1: example is me being a working mum, Like, yeah, that
Speaker 1: is so triggering, and that is something that you can
Speaker 1: tell when I have a conversation. I recently did this
Speaker 1: at a lunch and it was a business lunch with
Speaker 1: Cooper and you know, two others. And the man asked
Speaker 1: me what my does and I was like, oh, he's
Speaker 1: a stay at home dad. He looks after our daughter Ivy.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And he was like, oh, and you could just.
Speaker 2: Stay you could just tell he was shocked, and he
Speaker 2: was really good.
Speaker 1: He was like, oh, that's so cool, Like I love
Speaker 1: that for him. But you could just tell, like in
Speaker 1: his face he was there and he was like, what
Speaker 1: the fuck. And he was like just asking me questions
Speaker 1: that were just like you could tell he just had
Speaker 1: never heard of it, and he was just like, oh,
Speaker 1: so you you go to work and he stays at home,
Speaker 1: and like I just wanted to know how it worked
Speaker 1: and exactly how your life work was. Yeah, like pretty
Speaker 1: much just a normal like I'm the one who works
Speaker 1: and he stays at home. It's like we're just different
Speaker 1: genders anyway, and I just I think it's so interesting.
Speaker 1: And but he was really good about it. He wasn't
Speaker 1: like good, you know, yeah, rude, he wasn't read or anything.
Speaker 1: But often like I'll get snarky DMS from women who goes, oh,
Speaker 1: I could never leave my baby when they're only you know,
Speaker 1: six months, or like a double ended sword of oh
Speaker 1: you know you're not maternal or blah blah blah. And
Speaker 1: they don't mean in a mean way, but you can
Speaker 1: see they see life a certain way and they can't
Speaker 1: see anything else, so anything else would either be like
Speaker 1: wrong or bad or.
Speaker 2: Just make them angry. Almost yeah, like that's not right.
Speaker 2: And I just like, if you can go through life
Speaker 2: being open minded, having conversations and welcoming different opinions, you
Speaker 2: were going to have such abundant life absolutely during your record.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 2: And that's why I like talking about stuff like this
Speaker 2: because I feel like, especially religion such a taboo subject. Yeah,
Speaker 2: for a very weird reason, Like especially my religion.
Speaker 1: Why are you laughing? Because it's just like people like, oh,
Speaker 1: what religion are you? And I'm like, oh, I'm Muslim.
Speaker 2: They're like, oh no, actually I yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm like they freak out.
Speaker 2: They not because they not maybe like I don't think
Speaker 2: it's because they think I'm a terrorist or anything, but
Speaker 2: it makes people very uncomfortable because what mainstream media, what
Speaker 2: mainstream media says, and like even if they don't think that,
Speaker 2: or they're like, but she's such a nice person.
Speaker 1: God, Like, it's just this.
Speaker 2: People get uncomfortable to ask me questions. And for me,
Speaker 2: I'm like, ask me as many questions as you want,
Speaker 2: because I think that's what's what's beautiful, Like I want
Speaker 2: to share it.
Speaker 1: I think it's because it's yeah, and it's because mainstream
Speaker 1: media has made it's like so polarizing.
Speaker 2: Very polarizing, and like I just don't think it should
Speaker 2: be like I would love to sit down with one
Speaker 2: of every Yeah, well.
Speaker 1: I found myself I think it's also quite it's immature.
Speaker 1: I think in my early twenties I had views of
Speaker 1: these like you know, set things and like I don't
Speaker 1: believe in religion and blah blah blah, and then you
Speaker 1: kind of like evolve and grow, and I think, like,
Speaker 1: for example, the other day, I saw a title of
Speaker 1: a podcast that really triggered me.
Speaker 2: Really well, yeah, can you say it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, obviously I'm not gonna say who is bad
Speaker 1: or anything like that, but it was basically a podcast
Speaker 1: talking about men empowerment, almost which I'm a huge feminist
Speaker 1: and like mean, Tea up Cooper calls us men haters
Speaker 1: and like, I'm not, I just guys. I'm you know,
Speaker 1: I'm for the gals. I'm for the gals. And also
Speaker 1: I'm just you know, I saw growing up my mom
Speaker 1: and dad had very much the heterosexual normal relationship where
Speaker 1: my dad went to work, my mom stayed at home,
Speaker 1: and I just saw certain things that they didn't like
Speaker 1: feel It's not like they felt wrong or anything was bad,
Speaker 1: but I just I wanted a different life for me,
Speaker 1: and I just was very not opinionated, like just yeah,
Speaker 1: just very adamant of what I wanted in life and
Speaker 1: how I kind of wanted to make my life, you know, different,
Speaker 1: And also I just saw certain stuff that I was like,
Speaker 1: but why is it different because I'm a female? Or
Speaker 1: why is it different because he's a male? Like I
Speaker 1: just like kind of didn't understand the whole concept. So
Speaker 1: I'm just like very strong willed about this topic. And yeah,
Speaker 1: it really triggered me because I'm like, men don't need
Speaker 1: empowerment because I've just been empowered for fucking know. I mean,
Speaker 1: like yes, and I hate when people are like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, it's all about female empowerment. I'm like, it's
Speaker 1: literally been.
Speaker 2: Like about time, it's about fan time, fucking Lizzo, and
Speaker 2: so like, I get so fired up about this anyway,
Speaker 2: I just like I clicked into it because I was
Speaker 2: I think it's super close mind I did if I
Speaker 2: sit here and just scoff and go, oh you know yeah,
Speaker 2: And so I actually listened to it. Didn't agree with it,
Speaker 2: still don't, but you listen, but I listened. But also
Speaker 2: it was super insightful. Yeah, and I think.
Speaker 1: There's definitely points in it that I was like, I
Speaker 1: can understand where they're coming from. And it's not like
Speaker 1: I agreed with it, and I still have my own opinions,
Speaker 1: but it was like that person is also allowed to
Speaker 1: have their opinions.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm just at the point where I'm like, if
Speaker 2: you're gonna let every single thing that you disagree with
Speaker 2: that someone else says get to you, you're just gonna
Speaker 2: be sitting at home in a room behind your friend upset.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I and honestly like, I'm quite careful what
Speaker 1: I say on Instagram on this podcast because I don't
Speaker 1: like confrontation, Like I purposely choose to be quite vinila. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, because I'm just like not interested in the
Speaker 1: internet drama. But also one hundred percent it's like, if
Speaker 1: you're going to like just let everything offend you and
Speaker 1: everything being like, obviously there are boundaries.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, obviously there is things that I listened to, I'm like,
Speaker 2: well that's fucked, and I think that's okay.
Speaker 1: But I think also the whole basis of what me
Speaker 1: and the tier are talking about is you will.
Speaker 2: Have such a like more fruitful life if you can
Speaker 2: listen and process and not have a closed minded opinion
Speaker 2: about things and just be like, hmm, that's an interesting
Speaker 2: way to look at it.
Speaker 1: That's an interesting way. You don't have to agree. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like I didn't listen to podcasts and go yes man
Speaker 1: about me or anything like that. But I was like,
Speaker 1: that's insightful, you know. It's it's just good to have
Speaker 1: other opinions in your head and not just be so
Speaker 1: specific with what you believe and who you know is
Speaker 1: in your exactly Chrisphear.
Speaker 2: I always think as well, like, if you think about
Speaker 2: the opinion you had about things five years ago, you
Speaker 2: probably disagree with some and growth happens when you hear
Speaker 2: something that you initially wouldn't agree with, but you ponder yes.
Speaker 1: Love, guys, I think that's all we have time for me.
Speaker 1: For me, we really went rogue there. But I hope
Speaker 1: you enjoyed this conversation. It was lovely chatting to your
Speaker 1: dear you too. I loved it. Let it guys, Let
Speaker 1: us know if you want more of these like random
Speaker 1: sort of.
Speaker 2: Chats and philosophical like yeah, like let's talk about Fridays.
Speaker 2: It's a pee, it's still alliteration, the same sound, Okay,
Speaker 2: I get you.
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