1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: The Rising Conquer Podcast acknowledges the traditional custodians of the 2 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 1: land which this episode is being recorded, the Yugen Bear region. 3 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 1: We further acknowledge country throughout Australia and their connections to land, 4 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: sea and community. We pay our respect to their elders 5 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: past and present and extend that respect to all Aboriginal 6 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:34,159 Speaker 1: and terrestrid Islander peoples today. Hello and welcome back to 7 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: the Rise and Conquer Podcasts. This is the podcast for 8 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 1: ordinary people who want to do extraordinary things. Hello and 9 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: welcome back to the Rising Conker Podcast. It is your host, 10 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: Georgie Stephenson, and we are back with a g's hot. 11 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: These are our fun Friday epps where you send in 12 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:07,399 Speaker 1: your life dilemmas and Me and a Tea provide you 13 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: with our unqualified two cents on the situation. Guys, A 14 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:19,199 Speaker 1: Tea is back from a month holiday. Hi everybody, she's 15 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: lost her voice. I have lost my voice, but I'm 16 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:25,759 Speaker 1: not sick. A Tia Howe was Dubai in Africa? 17 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely amazing. Dubai is honestly one of my most 18 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 2: favorite places I think I've been to. Everything is just 19 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 2: next level. 20 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of people travel to Dubai and 21 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 1: it looks epic, but I've just never like never known, 22 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: so after you telling me about Dubai, I'm like, oh, 23 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 1: it's on the list. 24 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 2: Now, Yes, guys, definitely highly recommend. It's just and I 25 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 2: feel like it's a very convenient place to travel to 26 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 2: on the way to somewhere else. And it's like one 27 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 2: of those places that I'm pretty confident in saying that. 28 00:01:57,160 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 2: I think every time I go overseas, now just stay 29 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 2: there for it two or three days. 30 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 1: Just stop over and Duby. Yeah, because I'm a traveler. Yeah, 31 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: because I have the time. Love And also how was Africa? 32 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:14,920 Speaker 1: How I was going back home? It was beautiful, I 33 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 1: because you're from Zimbabwe, I. 34 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 2: Was born there yet, and I just I haven't seen 35 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 2: my family since twenty sixteen, so lots of tears, but 36 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 2: it was so nice to be with everyone and around everyone, 37 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 2: and I didn't realize how much I needed that. 38 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: Again, Like, I. 39 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 2: Feel a lot more rejuvenated and relaxed about everything. And 40 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 2: I was very wound up I think before I left, 41 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 2: and now I'm just very calm and ready to get 42 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 2: back into things. 43 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:47,239 Speaker 1: Very refreshed. You feel very grounded, Yes, very grounded. It was. 44 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: It was nice to put things into perspective again. I think, yes, 45 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 1: we'll tell us a little bit more about that. What 46 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: do you mean by that? Yeah, So. 47 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 2: We obviously moved here in two thousand and seven because 48 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 2: things in Zimbabwe started going quite down hill, and it 49 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 2: every time I've gone back since we moved, if you 50 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 2: asked me if I'd lived there, I would have said 51 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 2: yes because of the amount of family I have there, 52 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 2: it outweighed how bad the situation was. This time I 53 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 2: would probably say no, just because, like it's the point 54 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 2: where there are no road lines, there are no road rules. 55 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 1: That really got you to Yeah. 56 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 2: I was like, I need rules, I need rules, but 57 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 2: like it's just not safe. It took me a week 58 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 2: to get comfortable. 59 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 1: To drive there. And you said that they like cut 60 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: the water and power. 61 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, so the wedding, the week of the wedding, they 62 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 2: cut the water for the whole week, so we had 63 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 2: to buy water and have it delivered to the house 64 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 2: every day, which was insane. And that's just what the 65 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 2: government does there and it's not something we'd ever think 66 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 2: about here. Like when we turn the lights, which the 67 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 2: lights come on when we turn our tap, the water 68 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 2: comes out, and it's not because people aren't paying their bills. 69 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 2: It's just because they've decided, oh, we didn't have enough, 70 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 2: so you're just not gonna get any for the next 71 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 2: five days. And it's very sad to see that. But 72 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 2: it also for me, everyone there is so resilient and 73 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 2: so positive about stuff no matter what, and I it 74 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:18,839 Speaker 2: just put everything into perspective for me because now things 75 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 2: happen and I'm like, you know what, I've got it good? 76 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh I love that's that's really good. And it's 77 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: like so beautiful that you got to see your family 78 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: and really have that family time too. Yeah, it was 79 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 1: the best is that times? The best I know is 80 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 1: that your recommendation of the weak. Yes, family time and 81 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 1: a holiday and dubai. I'm in a holiday and Dubai. 82 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think even just taking time to do nothing 83 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 2: because I was at home for three weeks, but I 84 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 2: wouldn't say I did too many touristy things like I 85 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 2: didn't go to any parks or anything like that. But 86 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:52,280 Speaker 2: just taking the time to be with yourself and your 87 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 2: loved ones and reflect and enjoy things and just take 88 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 2: it slow. It's just so important. 89 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: I love that I feel the sack same way. I 90 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 1: don't know if maybe everyone's feeling like this, but when 91 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: we went to Fiji, I did not want to do 92 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 1: boat trips or go do you know Cloud nine and 93 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: Fiji or anything like that. Like I was like, I 94 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: just want to chill. I just want to be myself 95 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 1: and enjoyed Tim and Ivy and that's even like it 96 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 1: was my birthday on Wednesday, and happy birthday, thank you 97 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 1: and thank you rn C fam. I have so many 98 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 1: beautiful messages from you guys, and I do appreciate it. 99 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 1: So I'm twenty eight big, twenty two zero. What she's 100 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 1: twenty no big and two eight fuck, you know, And 101 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: I just wanted to do I was saying to a tear. 102 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: Like last year, my birthday was so bougie. I was 103 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 1: at Hamilton Island, you know. For my birthday present, Tim 104 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 1: bought me a new diamond ring. Like I got so 105 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: many presents. It was just like I was pregnant. It 106 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: was just a huge birthday and so much happening, like 107 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: really for and then this birthday, super chill didn't work. 108 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: Me and Tim just took Ivy to buy and Bay 109 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 1: and we did the Lighthouse Walk and went to the 110 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: farm and just like had lunch and spent time together 111 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:16,359 Speaker 1: and it was so chill. But it's like it felt 112 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 1: like this, like it just felt like, oh thank God. 113 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: And yeah, I've like told my friends I don't want 114 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: to do anything like it's just I just need some 115 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 1: space and I need to chill. So I feel like 116 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: maybe everyone's feeling like this. Citia. Actually, let's put this 117 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 1: on a poll tomorrow and let's see how everyone is 118 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 1: feeling in regards to are you just like us, where 119 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:39,479 Speaker 1: you're like I just want to chill, I just want 120 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: to go inwards? Or are you Georgie last year? I'd 121 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 1: love to know how you guys are feeling. My recommendation 122 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 1: for the week. I can't remember if I've recommended this. 123 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: I think I have, but I'm still gonna recommend it again. 124 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: I'm still watching the TV show The Split, which is 125 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: all about family life and just drama. I love that. 126 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: I love drama. That's what you studied, isn't it family law? Yeah? 127 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 1: So I studied law and I worked in family law, 128 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 1: so I feel like I can like relate somehow. I 129 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: loved suits because of the law side of it. So yeah, 130 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: TV show The Split loving it. Guys. This episode is chaotic. 131 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 2: It's actually, I think the most chaotic episode we've ever recorded. 132 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: So we started off with like usual hotline questions, and 133 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: then we went me and a Tear went rogue because 134 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 1: I was just craving deep conversation, and we went rogue 135 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: about I actually can't even remember what we spoke about 136 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: now a tiar, but we spoke about the afterlife. We 137 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: spoke about what we think happens when we die. 138 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, incarnation came up as well. 139 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, and we also spoke a lot about A Tears 140 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: religion and kind of what you believe and then kind 141 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: of off that your self beliefs too. Yes, I kind 142 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: of can't remember what I said. And I was like 143 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: thinking about this the other day and I was like, 144 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: oh god, I hope I said was okay, you know 145 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: how like, yeah, I'm worried. 146 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 2: I'm like, was it too controversial? I know? 147 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: But I just like I have thoughts. But I feel 148 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 1: like also as people were allowed to have beliefs and 149 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:19,679 Speaker 1: we're allowed to change them. 150 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 2: Absolutely, So it's like whatever I say, whatever. But honestly, guys, 151 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 2: this is juicy again. 152 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: We're going to put a poll on stories and just 153 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: see what you guys think about these questions because they're 154 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,679 Speaker 1: a bit controversial. What I think is like completely different 155 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 1: to a tea and vice versa. But it was like 156 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:44,680 Speaker 1: such a beautiful chat. I loved it. Yeah, so nice, 157 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:46,679 Speaker 1: and I think that like the big takeaway was just 158 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 1: everyone is allowed to have their own opinions and to 159 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 1: be open minded and to have these conversations because it's Yeah, 160 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: it was really incredible. I went away being like, I 161 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 1: loved that chat me too. All right, guys, let's get 162 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:04,599 Speaker 1: straight into the body. 163 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 2: If you had the opportunity to be told exactly how 164 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 2: your life would pan out, would you want to know? 165 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: Oh, one hundred and percent have you met me, I'm 166 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 1: the biggest control of Oh, I don't know. I think 167 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 1: I would because I'm a sicko and I just love 168 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: to know. Yeah, I feel like you would too. 169 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, I feel like I absolutely would, but I'd 170 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:34,079 Speaker 2: try so hard to resist it, and I just would 171 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 2: not be able to resist the temptation of being told. 172 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 2: I know. 173 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 1: That's my bit. So here's my dilemma to you. What 174 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: if you then got told what your life would look 175 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: like and it's like it's bleak, it's not good. 176 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 2: See what would you do then, spy. Probably Yeah, you would, 177 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 2: like you'd end up in a pretty big hole and 178 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 2: you'd have to pull yourself out and sort of just 179 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:01,559 Speaker 2: remember that, like that's not necessarily what would happen? 180 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think I just go I don't know. See, 181 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 1: I'm also a big believer. I believe in psychics, and 182 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 1: I also believe in like parallel not universes. But like 183 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 1: I believe that any choice you make there's then like 184 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 1: multiple outcomes that can happen. And you're constantly, like you know, 185 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 1: peaking a life. So I believe that you making them 186 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:27,079 Speaker 1: different choices you would have a different outcome. 187 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I one hundred percent agree. 188 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go rogue here. What do you believe in 189 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: regards to like the afterlife? What's your beliefs? 190 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:41,079 Speaker 2: I think heaven and hell exist really yeah? 191 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: Is that a religious belief? 192 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 2: A little bit? 193 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 1: But I also what is the afterlife belief with your religions? 194 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 2: Yeah? Pretty much heaven and heaven and Hell? Yeah, okay, 195 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:51,559 Speaker 2: but it's just like this concept that. 196 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:54,559 Speaker 1: So a tears Muslim. Yes, yes, just so you guys. 197 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 2: They're gonna be like what religion, there's like a day 198 00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 2: of judgment kind of thing, and then you get judged. 199 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 2: Have you ever heard the phrase the pathway to hell 200 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 2: is paved with good intentions? 201 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 1: No, but that's mind boggling to me. What does that mean? 202 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 2: So that's like some people say that in the sense 203 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:16,839 Speaker 2: that you can try to be doing a good thing 204 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 2: for someone and then something will go wrong and they'll 205 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 2: end up being hurt kind of thing. So that's what 206 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 2: some people say. I know, but like some people believe 207 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 2: that that, Like it's like a saying, saying whereas in 208 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:33,559 Speaker 2: my religion you are judged purely on your intentions. 209 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 1: Else I love that. 210 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 2: So it doesn't matter what the outcome. It doesn't matter 211 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 2: what the outcome of your decision is. It's the feeling 212 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 2: you had in your heart when you decided. Say example, 213 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 2: if you're just genuinely a good person, yeah, pretty much. 214 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: So even if you accidentally killed someone in a car crash, 215 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 1: it's still fine. 216 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 2: Because it's not like you're going to help. Yeah, or like, 217 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 2: for example, some people who will try to hurt someone 218 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 2: will harm someone or affect someone negatively and it actually 219 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 2: works out great for that person and they're like great, 220 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 2: but they still did a bad thing. 221 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. 222 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 2: Interesting yeah, but then like it's just like so hard 223 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 2: because I used to be Jehovah's witness, so we very 224 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 2: much were the same where it was like heaven and hell, 225 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 2: but like heaven was like called the Garden of Eve, 226 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 2: where once you get a different name, Yeah, you would 227 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 2: go to like the garden, which is this great place 228 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 2: where everyone's happy and you know whatever. 229 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 1: I don't know, I just had this weird. I don't 230 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:39,679 Speaker 1: I the whole like going to hell vibe just kind 231 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: of yes, I don't vibe with it. 232 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 2: I feel like, and this is do not take this 233 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 2: as this is my opinion. This is not my religion. 234 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 2: This is our own appearance too, silly gallops talking on 235 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 2: a podcast. I feel that God would forgive you for 236 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:00,439 Speaker 2: what whatever needed. 237 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 1: Oh you know what I mean? 238 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 2: Okay, I feel like I don't think anyone's ever going 239 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 2: to be put in Hell. 240 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 1: So you don't think it exists, No, you think I think. 241 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 2: It exists because I think, like I very much believe 242 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 2: in evil spirits kind of thing. I know, even evil spirits, 243 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:16,719 Speaker 2: and I do think that that's probably where they are. 244 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:20,680 Speaker 2: But I don't think people's souls get badished there. 245 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, because that's the concept I can't deal 246 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:26,679 Speaker 1: with because I think also there's a lot of people 247 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 1: who do bad things, but if you really look at 248 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:36,319 Speaker 1: their lives, it's usually because people did bad things to them, Yeah, 249 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:39,439 Speaker 1: and they didn't know any better. And so it then 250 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 1: kind of hurts my heart thinking that, you know, people 251 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 1: would then go to hell where it's like, you know, 252 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: they grew up an abusive household, you know, just stuff 253 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 1: like that. It just like almost doesn't sit right with 254 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: me because I like to believe, like you believe it. 255 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: I don't know, because if you look at the actual 256 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: soul of someone in its like purest form, because I 257 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:03,719 Speaker 1: I believe in like universe Source, God is like all 258 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,680 Speaker 1: the same thing, and it's just this higher thing. It's 259 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 1: not a man, it's not God. It's like just a 260 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:12,319 Speaker 1: higher thing and it's not a person. 261 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:13,679 Speaker 2: We're taught that. 262 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, I kind of like that. And but 263 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: also I believe our souls are all a piece of it, 264 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 1: so like we are all source, we are all and 265 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 1: that's why I'm so big into like intuition. Yeah, and 266 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: you know the saying I say, a tear of like 267 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: you can't fuck it up if you're following your intuition. 268 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: You can't fuck it up because I'm I'm at that faith, 269 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: I'm a piece of source. It's like I am you know, 270 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: that thing. So it's like I can't fuck it up 271 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: because I am you know, I don't want to say 272 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 1: the words I am God because people take that out 273 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: of context. But do you know what I mean? Like 274 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 1: I am that purest form of universe source. 275 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's. 276 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 1: Like I can't fuck it up. 277 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, now I know what you mean. 278 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. So then I don't know, And I think I 279 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 1: struggle a little bit with the whole you know, in 280 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: my religion and Jehovah's witness religion, it's kind of like 281 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: Jhovah and Jesus and it's like very much these people 282 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 1: are put on a pedestal, and I just like, am 283 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 1: I I don't know? You know what I mean? 284 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 2: Yeah? No, I know what I mean. 285 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 1: I like to believe in a higher power. I like 286 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: to believe in something beyond me, but not in the 287 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:19,239 Speaker 1: way of I would do anything. 288 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 2: You know, I don't know, I know what you mean. 289 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: I don't know how to articulate it. But I think 290 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: also growing up because my religion was like really pushed 291 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 1: on to me and it just didn't feel right, it 292 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: didn't sit well. I then went through a stage of 293 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: retaliation where I was like, what's the word when you're 294 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: not religious? 295 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:40,239 Speaker 2: Atheist? 296 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: I'm atheist. I used to say that because I was 297 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: like to. 298 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 2: Your parents, yeah, because I was just like I just. 299 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: Felt so like they pushed things on me, and I 300 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: was like, I don't I don't want to do this, 301 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: I think. And then I kind of have, you know, 302 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: went through my self development journey and like my spirituality 303 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: really grew and I'm now at this thing where I'm like, 304 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: I definitely believe in this higher purpose, this higher thing, 305 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: something beyond me. But like I said, I like to 306 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 1: think that we work together, we co create. I am 307 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 1: a piece of that, and it's so yeah, it's just like, 308 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: I don't know, it feels different. It feels good to me. 309 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's what matters. And I think, especially with religion, 310 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 2: it really comes down to how your parents teach it 311 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 2: to you. 312 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, and how it's because I don't know religion. To 313 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 1: me growing up, it just felt like a bunch of rules. Yeah, 314 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: and no sex before marriage, no smoking, no, like it 315 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 1: just felt so restrictive, so restrictive, and I felt and 316 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: it also was a little bit hard for me because 317 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 1: my mum was really religious in you know, being a 318 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 1: Jevia's witness, and then like my dad tried to support 319 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: it for her, but he also felt weird because he smoked, 320 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 1: he you know, drank, he he just didn't feel like 321 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: he belonged, so he never used to come with us. 322 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: So I don't know, it just kind of felt like 323 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 1: this like weird dynamic as well. 324 00:16:59,120 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 2: That's so fair. 325 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, interesting. 326 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 2: I think I got lucky with how my parents taught me. 327 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, the way you describe it, it's really quite beautiful. 328 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:09,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, but that is just very much. And I know 329 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:12,679 Speaker 2: it's just from the way I've been taught in because 330 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 2: I know people equally who have been taught slightly different 331 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 2: ways by their parents and they have also retaliated and 332 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 2: they don't like it kind of thing. And I think 333 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:25,159 Speaker 2: my mum always taught me, I will give you the 334 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:28,120 Speaker 2: book and you can read all the stuff, but at 335 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 2: the end of the day, it's your connection with God 336 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:33,639 Speaker 2: or the higher power and everything, and it's your faith 337 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 2: and that that matters. It's not anything else. So it's 338 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 2: very much. They focused a lot on the spirituality and 339 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 2: the morals rather than like you have to dress this 340 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 2: way and you have to do this, and you have 341 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 2: to do that. And that's how I came to like 342 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 2: love it in a way. 343 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. Actually on that point, something that I really did 344 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 1: love about growing up religious is the morals. Absolutely, the 345 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:00,640 Speaker 1: morals like were so instilled with me until this day. 346 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: Like I feel like I have really great morals because 347 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 1: of a religion. 348 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:06,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, like a moral and ethical compass. 349 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like I do have a really strong one. 350 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: And I remember kind of being in high school and 351 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: I went to a public high school, which was like 352 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 1: there was a lot's happening. You know. I'm sure it 353 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:19,639 Speaker 1: happened from private school too, but like, yeah, there was 354 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:23,399 Speaker 1: a lot happening, and I kind of remember thinking, oh, 355 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:26,640 Speaker 1: thank god, I've got a bit of like a moral compass, yeah, 356 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 1: because you can kind of like I could just kind 357 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 1: of tell other people didn't have the same upbringing. And 358 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, I was still pretty wild. I 359 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 1: was a bit of a wild child while so it's like, 360 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: oh my god, imagine. But that's something I did really 361 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:45,880 Speaker 1: like because still to this day, I have those morals. Yeah, 362 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 1: and still do you believe in like angels, absolutely, and 363 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 1: like what and what's it called? I've completely forgotten the 364 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 1: world like the people like your angels, your people who like. 365 00:18:57,560 --> 00:18:58,640 Speaker 2: Your guardian angels. 366 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:00,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, do you believe that? 367 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, But that's not religiously I've got so like 368 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 2: there's a lot of different interpretation, Like with how Christianity, 369 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 2: there's all these different like sects I think that's the word. 370 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 2: I'm not one hundred percent. 371 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 1: Sure, Like we'll go with it. Concepts. 372 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 2: Concept I don't know. It's like groups of belief. Oh okay, yeah, yeah. 373 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 2: The same thing with like Islam, where there's like lots 374 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 2: of different like schools of thought, and then that even 375 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:31,679 Speaker 2: gets more separated, like there's four different ways you can pray, 376 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 2: and then all those four different ways of following have 377 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 2: slightly different rules for things. And then in that then 378 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:42,439 Speaker 2: there's people who are more on the spiritual side and 379 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,239 Speaker 2: people who aren't, like they just don't believe in it 380 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 2: at all. 381 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:46,680 Speaker 1: Interesting. 382 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:49,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, And another thing I've noticed is there's a huge 383 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 2: cultural overlay that people get confused with religion when like 384 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,920 Speaker 2: there's like Middle Eastern Muslims and there's Indian Muslims and 385 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 2: like everybody's different. Yeah, because like I've had people ask 386 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:05,880 Speaker 2: me like, why do you like that your religion sexist? 387 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:09,879 Speaker 2: And I'm like, no, it's not. It's actually Middle Eastern 388 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 2: culture that is a little bit sexist sometimes, like the 389 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 2: women used to never used to be able to drive 390 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 2: and stuff. They're okay, yeah, in like Dubai and everything. 391 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. So because my cousin's Muslim, oh love. Yeah, because 392 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:26,360 Speaker 1: she she went to Africa and she married this beautiful 393 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 1: Muslim man and she became Muslim, and so yeah, I've 394 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,160 Speaker 1: been introduced to it. And that's like I loved having 395 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: conversations with her. It's so insightful because it's just you know, 396 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:40,880 Speaker 1: Western media really kind of puts that picture in your head. 397 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, and like that's also another layer to it 398 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,880 Speaker 2: kind of thing. But yeah, there's just so many different Yeah, 399 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 2: it's hard to explain that it's layered. 400 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, probably probably a podcast. Yeah, really wrote the last 401 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: question though, I'm just very intrigued. Do you believe in reincarnation? 402 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:05,360 Speaker 1: I don't think so, See I I just I do, 403 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 1: and I believe. For example, like a big question that 404 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 1: I get in the project about you know, when I believe, 405 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 1: like everything kind of happens for a reason. You know, 406 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: trust your intuition, trust your angels, like believe in you know, 407 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 1: this high thing, believe the universe always had your back. 408 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 1: You're guided. And then you know have people who are 409 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: like what about just like also that concept I talk 410 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,440 Speaker 1: to you about, like, you know, when something bad is happening, 411 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,199 Speaker 1: try and think of the lesson you're learning or you know, 412 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 1: what's the reason here rather than it being a negative, 413 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 1: like turn it into a positive. And so I often 414 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: have kind of the reaction of bit, what about like 415 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: the really bad shit, like just the shit that it's like, 416 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 1: there's no possible lesson here, There's no blah blah blah, 417 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 1: like you know, like children getting killed sort of bad stuff. 418 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: And the way that I kind of explain it and 419 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 1: what I believe in is we are all souls and 420 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: so like right now is we are living out a 421 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: like before I got put into this body, I was 422 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 1: a soul and I completely knew what was going to 423 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,880 Speaker 1: happen in this lifetime. All the lessons I was going 424 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 1: to learn, all the people I was going to meet, 425 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: all the lives I was going to change for good 426 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 1: for the bad, and that is all decided before I'm 427 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:31,639 Speaker 1: like reincarnated, and it's all because your soul needs to 428 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 1: learn lessons, needs to like you know, go throughout life. 429 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 1: And that's why people here, they'll go through a really 430 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,160 Speaker 1: tough life and this is a lifetime where they learn 431 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 1: you know, hard lessons or they go through certain experiences 432 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:50,160 Speaker 1: because everyone needs to learn those experiences. 433 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 2: And so then they'll die and then they'll go back 434 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:54,400 Speaker 2: again to the beginning. 435 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, like because you know, almost like the saying of 436 00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 1: oh gosh, if someone's got bad luck, like they must 437 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 1: have done something bad in a past life. Yeah, no, 438 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:05,120 Speaker 1: we have like we have this friend, Oh my god, 439 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: he just has the worst luck. 440 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 2: Like I'm talking the like he's had I think like 441 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 2: three people try and kill themselves in front of his car. 442 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 2: I'm talking just like like bad luck. 443 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 1: Just he's like gone to prison, like just oh my god, 444 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,919 Speaker 1: certain stuff. And there's a joke about, you know, like 445 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,639 Speaker 1: he must have really mustn't like Hitler in a past 446 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 1: live or something because he just has the worst luck. Anyway, 447 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 1: that's like beside the point. But that's just a group joke. 448 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: Poor guy. But yeah, I don't know, I kind of 449 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: believe in that. So it's like when someone's having a 450 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:45,680 Speaker 1: really you know. 451 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 2: Unexplainably tough time. 452 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's kind of like, you know, that's what 453 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: their soul has chosen for whatever reason. And I don't know. 454 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 1: I definitely believe in reincarnation and it almost makes me 455 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,160 Speaker 1: feel better because it's not like you just die and 456 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 1: that's it. It's my soul will then go out to 457 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 1: you know, do its thing another time. 458 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. 459 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 1: And it's like I've had psychic readings and she has 460 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:12,360 Speaker 1: said to me, you're a young soul. You've only been 461 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:16,360 Speaker 1: here a couple of times. And then where's my girlfriend. 462 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 1: She's like, oh, you're an old soul. And my girlfriend 463 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 1: like you can tell she's an old soul. 464 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, I don't know. That's cool. 465 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I think reincarnation, isn't that Buddhism and Hindu 466 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 1: and Hindu, Yeah. 467 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 2: They believe in reincarnation, I think. Yeah, And that's why 468 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 2: they have so many I think that's why they have 469 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,360 Speaker 2: so many different gods. I'm not one hundred percentual, Yeah. 470 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,959 Speaker 1: They have a few. I don't know. It's like almost, 471 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 1: I that's not me being religious any point, that's just 472 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: me having certain views. But yeah, it almost I don't know. 473 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 1: With like religion and views. I think it's almost what 474 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 1: comforts you, yeah, and what feels good to you and 475 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 1: what makes you feel like connect you Yeah, connected and 476 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: have a purposeful life. Yeah, absolutely, which is actually the 477 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:08,399 Speaker 1: funny tell us can you tell the podcast? No? I can't. Okay, 478 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 1: I love home Rogue. We're gone. Yeah, Jay's gonna be 479 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:15,359 Speaker 1: listening being like what fuck? 480 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 2: I used to be friends with someone. Yeah, and one 481 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 2: day I think she was just a bit too drunk, 482 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 2: but she took it upon herself to like give me 483 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 2: her opinion on everything. 484 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,679 Speaker 1: A lot of it offended me. Oh my god, I 485 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:30,399 Speaker 1: was about to say this is me when I'm drunk, 486 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: but no, I don't know, like too much, too much, 487 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: like what one of them. 488 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 2: It was just after the Megan and Harry interview came 489 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 2: out with Oprah and I love Megan Markle and I 490 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 2: think she's incredible. 491 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: I love her. 492 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think she's amazing. 493 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:46,360 Speaker 1: I love her. 494 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 2: And this girl who knew that took it upon herself 495 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 2: to criticize Megan Mikale and was like, there's no way 496 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,680 Speaker 2: they were racist. How can you blame queen Elizabeth blah 497 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah. And this was still like recently 498 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 2: black Lives matter kind of thing. And I just looked 499 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 2: at her and I was like, oh, like, what makes 500 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,200 Speaker 2: you say that? And she's like, you can't blame Queen 501 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,639 Speaker 2: Elizabeth for what her ancestors did. And I'm like, no, honey, 502 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 2: Queen Elizabeth did it. 503 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 1: But also it's it's not about that. 504 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:18,239 Speaker 2: It's about audience, but it's also about the structures are 505 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 2: still in place for that to happen. 506 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:26,920 Speaker 1: There's still a fucking queen. Yes, you're missing the whole 507 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,399 Speaker 1: point here. I didn't even hear the conversation. I know 508 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:30,399 Speaker 1: she's missing the point. 509 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,639 Speaker 2: And she and I was just like, man, I'm so 510 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 2: the wrong person to say this too, Agion. Oh no. 511 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 2: She was like, I just don't get why people are religious. 512 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 2: I think that people who are religious are just empty 513 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,199 Speaker 2: and they just need something to fill themselves up. And 514 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,920 Speaker 2: they're just empty inside, so they need religion to fill 515 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 2: them up. 516 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:56,719 Speaker 1: And I was like, interesting, opinion, you looked the way. 517 00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:01,640 Speaker 1: You know what my actual pet hate is how closed 518 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 1: minded some people are. Absolutely that is so closed mind, 519 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 1: because this is like the beautiful thing is I can 520 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 1: have my beliefs, you can have your beliefs and they're 521 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 1: both valid. Absolutely, don't you think that's the beautiful thing. 522 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,679 Speaker 2: And I think if you look hard enough at every 523 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 2: single religion that exists, it's pretty similar. 524 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 1: A hundred puck. And that's why I'm like, you. 525 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,359 Speaker 2: Just don't Some people don't want to name for it. 526 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 2: Some people want to name for it. Some people like 527 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,399 Speaker 2: rules and books, some people don't. 528 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, But I think also, like it's such a great 529 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 1: point of I think it's so small. For example, if 530 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 1: I live my life a certain way, like a great 531 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 1: example is me being a working mum, Like, yeah, that 532 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,440 Speaker 1: is so triggering, and that is something that you can 533 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,640 Speaker 1: tell when I have a conversation. I recently did this 534 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,359 Speaker 1: at a lunch and it was a business lunch with 535 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,439 Speaker 1: Cooper and you know, two others. And the man asked 536 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,440 Speaker 1: me what my does and I was like, oh, he's 537 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 1: a stay at home dad. He looks after our daughter Ivy. 538 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. 539 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,400 Speaker 1: And he was like, oh, and you could just. 540 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 2: Stay you could just tell he was shocked, and he 541 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 2: was really good. 542 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:13,680 Speaker 1: He was like, oh, that's so cool, Like I love 543 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 1: that for him. But you could just tell, like in 544 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,920 Speaker 1: his face he was there and he was like, what 545 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 1: the fuck. And he was like just asking me questions 546 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: that were just like you could tell he just had 547 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,440 Speaker 1: never heard of it, and he was just like, oh, 548 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 1: so you you go to work and he stays at home, 549 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,399 Speaker 1: and like I just wanted to know how it worked 550 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 1: and exactly how your life work was. Yeah, like pretty 551 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 1: much just a normal like I'm the one who works 552 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 1: and he stays at home. It's like we're just different 553 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 1: genders anyway, and I just I think it's so interesting. 554 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: And but he was really good about it. He wasn't 555 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: like good, you know, yeah, rude, he wasn't read or anything. 556 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 1: But often like I'll get snarky DMS from women who goes, oh, 557 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 1: I could never leave my baby when they're only you know, 558 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 1: six months, or like a double ended sword of oh 559 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 1: you know you're not maternal or blah blah blah. And 560 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 1: they don't mean in a mean way, but you can 561 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 1: see they see life a certain way and they can't 562 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 1: see anything else, so anything else would either be like 563 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 1: wrong or bad or. 564 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 2: Just make them angry. Almost yeah, like that's not right. 565 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 2: And I just like, if you can go through life 566 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:40,239 Speaker 2: being open minded, having conversations and welcoming different opinions, you 567 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 2: were going to have such abundant life absolutely during your record. 568 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it. 569 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 2: And that's why I like talking about stuff like this 570 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 2: because I feel like, especially religion such a taboo subject. Yeah, 571 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 2: for a very weird reason, Like especially my religion. 572 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 1: Why are you laughing? Because it's just like people like, oh, 573 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 1: what religion are you? And I'm like, oh, I'm Muslim. 574 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,480 Speaker 2: They're like, oh no, actually I yeah. 575 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 1: I'm like they freak out. 576 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 2: They not because they not maybe like I don't think 577 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 2: it's because they think I'm a terrorist or anything, but 578 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 2: it makes people very uncomfortable because what mainstream media, what 579 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 2: mainstream media says, and like even if they don't think that, 580 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 2: or they're like, but she's such a nice person. 581 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 1: God, Like, it's just this. 582 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 2: People get uncomfortable to ask me questions. And for me, 583 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 2: I'm like, ask me as many questions as you want, 584 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 2: because I think that's what's what's beautiful, Like I want 585 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 2: to share it. 586 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 1: I think it's because it's yeah, and it's because mainstream 587 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 1: media has made it's like so polarizing. 588 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 2: Very polarizing, and like I just don't think it should 589 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 2: be like I would love to sit down with one 590 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 2: of every Yeah, well. 591 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 1: I found myself I think it's also quite it's immature. 592 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: I think in my early twenties I had views of 593 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 1: these like you know, set things and like I don't 594 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,480 Speaker 1: believe in religion and blah blah blah, and then you 595 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 1: kind of like evolve and grow, and I think, like, 596 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: for example, the other day, I saw a title of 597 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 1: a podcast that really triggered me. 598 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,720 Speaker 2: Really well, yeah, can you say it? 599 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, obviously I'm not gonna say who is bad 600 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 1: or anything like that, but it was basically a podcast 601 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 1: talking about men empowerment, almost which I'm a huge feminist 602 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 1: and like mean, Tea up Cooper calls us men haters 603 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 1: and like, I'm not, I just guys. I'm you know, 604 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 1: I'm for the gals. I'm for the gals. And also 605 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 1: I'm just you know, I saw growing up my mom 606 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 1: and dad had very much the heterosexual normal relationship where 607 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 1: my dad went to work, my mom stayed at home, 608 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 1: and I just saw certain things that they didn't like 609 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 1: feel It's not like they felt wrong or anything was bad, 610 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 1: but I just I wanted a different life for me, 611 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 1: and I just was very not opinionated, like just yeah, 612 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 1: just very adamant of what I wanted in life and 613 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 1: how I kind of wanted to make my life, you know, different, 614 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 1: And also I just saw certain stuff that I was like, 615 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 1: but why is it different because I'm a female? Or 616 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 1: why is it different because he's a male? Like I 617 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 1: just like kind of didn't understand the whole concept. So 618 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 1: I'm just like very strong willed about this topic. And yeah, 619 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 1: it really triggered me because I'm like, men don't need 620 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 1: empowerment because I've just been empowered for fucking know. I mean, 621 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 1: like yes, and I hate when people are like, oh, 622 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 1: you know, it's all about female empowerment. I'm like, it's 623 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 1: literally been. 624 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 2: Like about time, it's about fan time, fucking Lizzo, and 625 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 2: so like, I get so fired up about this anyway, 626 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 2: I just like I clicked into it because I was 627 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 2: I think it's super close mind I did if I 628 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 2: sit here and just scoff and go, oh you know yeah, 629 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 2: And so I actually listened to it. Didn't agree with it, 630 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 2: still don't, but you listen, but I listened. But also 631 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 2: it was super insightful. Yeah, and I think. 632 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 1: There's definitely points in it that I was like, I 633 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:23,000 Speaker 1: can understand where they're coming from. And it's not like 634 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 1: I agreed with it, and I still have my own opinions, 635 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 1: but it was like that person is also allowed to 636 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 1: have their opinions. 637 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm just at the point where I'm like, if 638 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 2: you're gonna let every single thing that you disagree with 639 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 2: that someone else says get to you, you're just gonna 640 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 2: be sitting at home in a room behind your friend upset. 641 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 1: Yeah. And I and honestly like, I'm quite careful what 642 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 1: I say on Instagram on this podcast because I don't 643 00:33:55,320 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 1: like confrontation, Like I purposely choose to be quite vinila. Yeah, 644 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,320 Speaker 1: you know, because I'm just like not interested in the 645 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:08,359 Speaker 1: internet drama. But also one hundred percent it's like, if 646 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 1: you're going to like just let everything offend you and 647 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 1: everything being like, obviously there are boundaries. 648 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,239 Speaker 2: Absolutely, obviously there is things that I listened to, I'm like, 649 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,880 Speaker 2: well that's fucked, and I think that's okay. 650 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 1: But I think also the whole basis of what me 651 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,040 Speaker 1: and the tier are talking about is you will. 652 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 2: Have such a like more fruitful life if you can 653 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:37,279 Speaker 2: listen and process and not have a closed minded opinion 654 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,720 Speaker 2: about things and just be like, hmm, that's an interesting 655 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:41,480 Speaker 2: way to look at it. 656 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,959 Speaker 1: That's an interesting way. You don't have to agree. Yeah, 657 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,480 Speaker 1: Like I didn't listen to podcasts and go yes man 658 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,799 Speaker 1: about me or anything like that. But I was like, 659 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:54,359 Speaker 1: that's insightful, you know. It's it's just good to have 660 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 1: other opinions in your head and not just be so 661 00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,319 Speaker 1: specific with what you believe and who you know is 662 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,840 Speaker 1: in your exactly Chrisphear. 663 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,520 Speaker 2: I always think as well, like, if you think about 664 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,920 Speaker 2: the opinion you had about things five years ago, you 665 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:13,719 Speaker 2: probably disagree with some and growth happens when you hear 666 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:18,440 Speaker 2: something that you initially wouldn't agree with, but you ponder yes. 667 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 1: Love, guys, I think that's all we have time for me. 668 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,879 Speaker 1: For me, we really went rogue there. But I hope 669 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,319 Speaker 1: you enjoyed this conversation. It was lovely chatting to your 670 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,880 Speaker 1: dear you too. I loved it. Let it guys, Let 671 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,000 Speaker 1: us know if you want more of these like random 672 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:34,279 Speaker 1: sort of. 673 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:39,440 Speaker 2: Chats and philosophical like yeah, like let's talk about Fridays. 674 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:45,800 Speaker 2: It's a pee, it's still alliteration, the same sound, Okay, 675 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:46,399 Speaker 2: I get you. 676 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:54,920 Speaker 1: Thanks so much, guys, Thank you so much for listening 677 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,719 Speaker 1: to another episode of the Rise and Conquered podcast If 678 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,439 Speaker 1: you enjoyed it and want more, come connect with us 679 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:06,880 Speaker 1: on Instagram at Riseanconquer dot podcast and join our Facebook 680 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,839 Speaker 1: discussion group, a Rise and Conquer podcast community. 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