1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It is Wednesday, 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: the ninth of February. I'm Zara Seidler. Joining me today 3 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 1: is Billy Fitzsimon's to talk through the first Parliamentary sitting day, 4 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: which involved a lot of chat about the Religious Discrimination Act. 5 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 1: Before we get to that, Billy, there was an important 6 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 1: apology that was made yesterday. 7 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 2: Yesterday in Parliament, Australian political leaders, including Prime Minister Scott Morrison, 8 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 2: apologize to those who have faced sexual harassment, sexual assault 9 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 2: or bullying while working in Parliament House. Morrison said in 10 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 2: the apology quote, I want this building to be a 11 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 2: place where young Australians and young women in particular can 12 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 2: follow their dreams and can live out their beliefs and 13 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:44,200 Speaker 2: not have them crushed by brutality and the misuse of power. 14 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: Yesterday United Australia Party leader and former Liberal Craig Kelly 15 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: signed a group of Freedom Convoy protesters into Parliament House. 16 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: These Freedom Convoy protesters had been in and around camera 17 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: for a couple of days, and Kelly brought the individuals 18 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 1: into the building and planned to give letters to the 19 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: Prime Minister, Opposition Leader and Speaker of the House asking 20 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: them to end vaccine mandates. 21 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 2: Russian President Vladimir Pudin and French leader Emmanuel Macron have 22 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 2: held talks, marking the first meeting between a Western leader 23 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 2: and Pudin since the rising concerns over a potential Russian 24 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 2: invasion into Ukraine. Macron said Pudin had a quote assured 25 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 2: me of his readiness to engage with proposals of concrete 26 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 2: security guarantees. 27 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: And some hump day good news, A paralyzed man with 28 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:39,479 Speaker 1: a severed spinal cord is able to walk again thanks 29 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 1: to a team of researchers from Switzerland who successfully developed 30 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 1: an implant, the first time someone who has had a 31 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: complete cut to their spinal cord has been able to 32 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: walk freely. 33 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 2: Today, we're talking about the Religious Discrimination Bill and Zara. 34 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 2: Before we dive into what the Religious Discrimination Bill actually is, 35 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 2: can you explain where it originated from? 36 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 1: Well, Billy, I'm sure you remember the legalization of same 37 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 1: sex marriage in Australia in twenty seventeen. After that happened, 38 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: a parliamentary review, which was led by then Attorney General 39 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: Philip Ruddock, was established to examine whether or not Australian 40 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: law was adequately protecting the human right to freedom of religion. 41 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: Then if we fast forward to twenty eighteen, in December, 42 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: the report was released and it made a whole host 43 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: of recommendations. One of those recommendations was that the Commonwealth, 44 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 1: so the Federal Government should amend the Sex Discrimination Act 45 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:42,519 Speaker 1: to quote provide that religious schools may discriminate in relation 46 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 1: to students on the basis of sexual orientation, gender identity 47 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: or relationship status. Now it's important to note here that 48 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 1: that recommendation specifically was not adopted by the federal government, 49 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: but Scott Morrison did go to the twenty nineteen election 50 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 1: promising a Religious Disscrimination Act as part of the government's 51 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: response to this Ruddic report. Then in November of last year, 52 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 1: just as the parliamentary year was wrapping up, Morrison personally 53 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 1: introduced this long awaited bill to Parliament. 54 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 3: I'm really pleased to present the Religious Discrimination Bill twenty 55 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 3: twenty one and the explanatory memory. Today we fix an 56 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 3: important weakness in our discrimination laws, as our government promised 57 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 3: to do to the people of Australia at the last election. 58 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 3: Today we honor that commitment laws needed to protect citizens 59 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 3: in a tolerant, multicultural liberal democracy. 60 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 2: And so what are the key points of this bill. 61 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: So the bill amends existing federal anti discrimination legislation to 62 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: make it unlawful to discriminate on the basis of a 63 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: person's religious belief or activity, so just like it's illegal 64 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 1: to discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation or disability 65 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: or anything else for that matter. It also states that 66 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: certain conduct will not be considered discrimination, and to take 67 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: an example, it states that education institutions are able to 68 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: preference people in employment who holds or engage in a 69 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:13,839 Speaker 1: particular religious belief or activity. I won't delve too far 70 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 1: into the details of the bill that was introduced to 71 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 1: Parliament last year because we're expecting an amended version of 72 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: this bill shortly. 73 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 2: And so do we know what some of those amendments 74 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:24,919 Speaker 2: will be. 75 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 1: Well, we're getting a good indication. Last week Prime Minister 76 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: Scott Morrison said that as part of the bill, the 77 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 1: Government will seek to amend the Sex Discrimination Act to 78 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:39,720 Speaker 1: stop religious schools from discriminating against LGBTIQ plus students. And 79 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: this might sound familiar because there was a story in 80 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 1: the news about a school in Brisbane that had done 81 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 1: just that, and that's because Section thirty eight of the 82 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 1: Sex Discrimination Act currently allows religious schools to discriminate against 83 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: students on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity. 84 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 2: So you said the government wants to stop religious schools 85 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 2: from discriminate against LGBTIQ plus students, but what about discriminating 86 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 2: against gender identity. 87 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: Well, that was the big topic of discussion yesterday in 88 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 1: the morning. Finance Minister Simon Birmingham got up and confirmed 89 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:18,919 Speaker 1: the bill will not protect transgender students from being discriminated against. 90 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: Here's a snippet of what he said in a conversation 91 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: with Patricia Carvellis on RM Breakfast. Can schools still under 92 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: the changes you're proposing, and we'll take to your party 93 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 1: room exclude transgender students? 94 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 4: So I understand the proposal that is put forward is 95 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:39,039 Speaker 4: to repel the exemption as it relates to students of 96 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 4: being exempted from the Sex Discrimination Act on the basis 97 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 4: of their sexual orientation but not gender. Now it doesn't 98 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 4: go further than that. 99 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 2: And I've heard that this bill doesn't actually have universal 100 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 2: support from the coalition. 101 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: Is that right? It is? 102 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:53,280 Speaker 3: So? 103 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 1: Tasmanian Liberal MP Bridget Archer has said she'll cross the 104 00:05:56,880 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: floor and vote against the religious discrimination Bill. Just a 105 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 1: quick side note that crossing the floor means a member 106 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: of Parliament refuses to vote with their own party and 107 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 1: instead votes with the opposing side. So on Monday, bridget 108 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: Archer said she'd cross the floor when it came to 109 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 1: actually voting on the bill, this religious discrimination bill, as 110 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 1: she believed it could overrule anti discrimination laws in Tasmania, 111 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:23,239 Speaker 1: her home state. She said, and I quote, we should 112 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: do what we can to protect them and to continue 113 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 1: to not discriminate or not allow discrimination against anyone on 114 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 1: the basis of any attribute. 115 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 2: And can you talk me through what Labour's position is 116 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 2: in all of this. 117 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 1: Labour s editors said last week they agree Ossie should 118 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: not be discriminated against because of their religious beliefs. However, 119 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: they also believe that this should not come at the 120 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: expense of the rights and freedoms of others. Then yesterday morning, 121 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: Opposition leader and that is Labor leader Anthony Alberizi he 122 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:55,840 Speaker 1: reiterated that view. He also said that the Prime Minister 123 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: had ridden to him last year asking for a meeting 124 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:03,039 Speaker 1: and a discussion about this religious discrimination bill, which he accepted, 125 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 1: but then he said he hadn't heard from the PM 126 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 1: since then. While we're talking about different perspectives, I do 127 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: think it's important to add what Equality Australia, which is 128 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: of course a national LGBTIQ Plus organization, has said on 129 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: the matter. Last week Billy they called for the government 130 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: to scrap the religious discrimination in full, with the CEO 131 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: Anna Brown saying that the laws would take the country backwards, 132 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: winding back hard for protections for women, people with disability, 133 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 1: LGBTIQ people and people of faith, and the CEO added 134 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: that it would undermine safe and inclusive schools and workplaces. 135 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 2: And Zara, you and I are heading to Canberra today, 136 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 2: so it's definitely something that we will keep an eye 137 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 2: on as the Parliamentary sitting week continues until tomorrow. 138 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: Sure is thank you as ever for joining us on 139 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 1: the Daily OS. 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