1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: Already and this this is the Daily Lost, This is 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: the Daily ohs oh, now it makes sense. Good morning 3 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Monday, the tenth 4 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:18,280 Speaker 1: of March. 5 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 2: I'm Billy, I'm Sam. 6 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:22,760 Speaker 1: Today we are looking at the latest results from an 7 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 1: annual study that looks at how households are changing over 8 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 1: the years. So last week the latest survey, known as 9 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: the Household Income and Labor Dynamics in Australia also known 10 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: as HILDA, was released and it captures trends across a 11 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: broad cross section of Australian's finances, social life, mental health, 12 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 1: household activities and family life. Now, among its findings, Sam, 13 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 1: I thought you'd like this was that men are doing 14 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: the same amount of housework on average as they were 15 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 1: twenty years ago. 16 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 2: I'm doing more because I was ten twenty years ago, 17 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 2: defying the odds. 18 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: So today we are dissecting the findings and discussing what 19 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: has and hasn't changed about Australian households in recent decades. 20 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 2: This is a story that really generated a lot of 21 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 2: discussion last week when we were reporting it. I want 22 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 2: to go through with you what the survey actually found 23 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 2: and dive a bit deeper into some of those statistics, 24 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 2: but give me more of a sense of what this 25 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 2: survey actually is and why it's there. Yeah. 26 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:32,399 Speaker 1: So it started in two thousand and one and it's 27 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: been done every single year since then, and it's funded 28 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 1: by the Australian Government, but it's conducted by the University 29 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 1: of Melbourne and now it is nationally representative, which is 30 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: kind of one of those jargon words that you hear 31 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: a lot about in surveys, and it just means that 32 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: it is a way for researchers to get an accurate 33 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: sample of the entire population of Australia without actually needing 34 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: to interview every single person in the country. 35 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 2: Makes sense. Most surveys are like that. 36 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know, I presume that Sam, you weren't asked. 37 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 2: I was not part of the hilticipate. 38 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: In this survey. But it's still nationally representative because of 39 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:11,920 Speaker 1: the sample of Australians they have selected for this. Now 40 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: they interview seventeen thousand people and it speaks to all 41 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: different types of households. So households with two parents and 42 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: kids are the most common, then followed by households with 43 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: just one couple and no kids, and then single parents, 44 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: and obviously there are many other different types of households 45 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: that are included in this. One of the really interesting 46 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: things that I find about the study is that it 47 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:38,519 Speaker 1: actually interviews the exact same people every single year, right. 48 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 2: Interesting, So it's the same group of seventeen thousand almost 49 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:44,239 Speaker 2: being tracked through life, exactly. 50 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 1: And so for nearly twenty five years, the same households 51 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 1: have been interviewed on mostly the same topics. They do 52 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 1: kind of introduce new topics every now and again, So 53 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen they started to ask people about pet ownership, right, 54 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 1: But there are consistent topics that they do ask every 55 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: single year, and they say that the idea of that 56 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: is that the study can in theory, go on indefinitely. 57 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: It can go on forever because they won't just interview 58 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 1: their initial sample members, but then also their kids and 59 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: their grandkids. And so it's kind of one of those 60 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: things that we could be talking about this, not you 61 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 1: and I, Sam, but people could be talking about this 62 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 1: hundred year yeah exactly. 63 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 2: But it's also why they can then get some of 64 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 2: those really interesting findings about social change. Yes, and then 65 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 2: controlling the same group of people means that we can 66 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 2: come out with findings that are, you know, what has 67 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 2: changed in twenty years and say it with a lot 68 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 2: of confidence. 69 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: Exactly. 70 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 2: Okay, So we have this study that has, you know, 71 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 2: this annual tracking of how these seventeen thousand Australians and 72 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 2: nationally representative sample are behaving. And I think the biggest 73 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 2: thing that's come through, at least on tda's social channels 74 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 2: is the findings on housework. So let's talk about that first. 75 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was the focus when it came out last week. So, 76 00:03:57,920 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: as I mentioned at the top, you found that men 77 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: are doing the same amount of housework on average as 78 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: they were twenty years ago. So this is things like 79 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: cleaning and cooking, and so men are doing roughly thirteen 80 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: hours of housework every week, while women are doing about 81 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:19,159 Speaker 1: eighteen and a half hours, although that has actually decreased 82 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 1: since two thousand and two, the number of hours that 83 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:25,719 Speaker 1: women are spending on housework. So women were doing about 84 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: twenty four hours of housework in two thousand and two, 85 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 1: now they're doing about eighteen and a half hours. But 86 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: that just means that I guess less housework is now 87 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: being done. I was about to say men are not 88 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: doing more. 89 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 2: Men aren't feeling the void than that just means that, 90 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 2: you know, the dishes are a bit. 91 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:43,839 Speaker 1: Dirtier and the sink exactly. And single dads, I think 92 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: this is not surprising. They did the most housework of 93 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:50,679 Speaker 1: any men, with seventeen point four hours weekly. 94 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:53,359 Speaker 2: Has anything changed with men over twenty year period? 95 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: Some things have changed, that good question. So one thing 96 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: that has changed for men is how many hours they 97 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: spend caring for their children and disabled or elderly relatives, 98 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 1: although it's only gone up by a little bit. So 99 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:08,559 Speaker 1: in two thousand and two there were five hours spent 100 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: on caring duties by men and now there's five and 101 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: a half hours spent on it, so a little increase there. 102 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 1: One of my favorite stats from the survey is they 103 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:21,039 Speaker 1: also looked at the satisfaction levels in terms of the 104 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 1: division of housework in households, and it found that men 105 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 1: are quite satisfied with the division of unpaid work between 106 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:35,840 Speaker 1: the women and men in their household, but women less satisfied. 107 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: Are you following? Does that make sense? 108 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm following, yep. So some interesting kind of attitude 109 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 2: angles to this. 110 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: Yes, So men satisfied with the division of labor where 111 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 1: they are doing less housework than the women. Women less 112 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: satisfied they would like the men to be doing a 113 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: little bit more housework. They also asked the couples whether 114 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: they think that they are individually doing their fair share, 115 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: and it found that men majority of men do believe 116 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 1: that they are doing the fair share of housework, whereas 117 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 1: most women believe that they are doing significantly more than 118 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 1: their fair. 119 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 2: Share, which is surprising to consider. There's that, I don't 120 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 2: know what you'd call it an expectations gap or a 121 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 2: kind of a setting and meeting expectations gap. Because of 122 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 2: the progress in this conversation and the evolution over the 123 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 2: last two decades, you would think that that would have 124 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 2: translated in this sort of survey into a more tangible way. 125 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I think is the conversation that obviously, 126 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: over the past two decades we have been talking about 127 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 1: the division of labor so much, and you know, women 128 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 1: being more involved in the workplace than they were fifty 129 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: years ago. But clearly, even though women are more involved 130 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: in the workforce and they were two decades ago and 131 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 1: also fifty years ago, they are still doing the majority 132 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 1: of the housework. So that is kind of one area 133 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 1: where I guess society is still lagging in terms of equality. 134 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:04,479 Speaker 2: I'd be really interested. And I don't know if we 135 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 2: have this answer on hand, and maybe we can come 136 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,359 Speaker 2: back and tell the listeners what we find later. But 137 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 2: whether there's an attitude shift with younger men and whether 138 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 2: we're seeing kind of I don't know men between eighteen 139 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 2: and thirty exhibit a more hours of contribution to a household, 140 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 2: but be that expectation question, whether there's a sort of 141 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 2: generational shift. 142 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: Well, you can be our sample size of one. Are 143 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: you doing more housework, Sam than. 144 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 2: I was twenty years ago? Absolutely? I know. 145 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: Are you doing more than your wife? No? 146 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 2: Absolutely not, I was going to say, but probably if 147 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 2: I was to be asked whether I thought I was 148 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 2: doing enough, it would be a big, fat no. So 149 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 2: I think that that I would hope that that salvages 150 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 2: my reputation slightly, is that it sounds like I'm a 151 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 2: bit more in touch than the general male population in 152 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 2: terms of expectations on me, and I know I'm falling 153 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 2: very well short of that. 154 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: I think Monty, which is Sam's wife's name, I think 155 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 1: that we cut this up, send it to her and 156 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 1: she can forever know that we have on camera you 157 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 1: saying that you're. 158 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 2: Not doing enough. I do love her very much. 159 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: Okay. My partner is actually the opposite. He does one 160 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: hundred percent of the cooking. So these findings aren't quite 161 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: representative for me. 162 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 2: And if we did the findings on what it was 163 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 2: like here in the TDA office, then I think it 164 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 2: would be recognized that I clean your desk. Your desk 165 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 2: is single handedly bringing down the cleanliness qualities of this workplace. 166 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: That is also true. But back to the survey, let's 167 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: stick to it. 168 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 2: What did it find about families. 169 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: So specifically on single parent families, it found that they 170 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:41,839 Speaker 1: are struggling the most and that they have been hit 171 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: hardest with the rising cost of living, particularly in recent years. 172 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: So single parents have seen a seventy six percent increase 173 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: in childcare costs per child per week, and that's different 174 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 1: to families with two parents, they've seen about a fifty 175 00:08:57,760 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: percent increase. 176 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 2: And we can expect that that's the play a role 177 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 2: in the election that we've got coming up. On a 178 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 2: federal level, childcare policies always part of the equation in 179 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 2: a federal context, but there was also a finding that 180 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 2: I found really interesting. About one in four single parent 181 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 2: families live in poverty. Yeah, and I thought that was 182 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 2: quite a shocking stat for a country where we the 183 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 2: image of Australia that we like to project and think 184 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 2: about is not one where you've got twenty five percent 185 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:27,079 Speaker 2: of single parent families living below the poverty line. Let's 186 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 2: now turn to one other group before we wrap up today, 187 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 2: and I want to talk about young people. What are 188 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:35,839 Speaker 2: the specific trends that you think are important in terms 189 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 2: of Australia's youth. 190 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: Yeah. I think the biggest thing that stood out to 191 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: me about young people in this report is the prevalence 192 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:47,199 Speaker 1: of loneliness. Right, So, Hilda found that loneliness is particularly 193 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: prevalent among young people aged between fifteen and twenty four, 194 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 1: and that share of lonely individuals between that age group 195 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: specifically was increasing for about a decade before twenty twenty, 196 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: but then it co completely accelerated once a pandemic did hit. 197 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: So in twenty twenty, about one in four young people 198 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 1: said that they were lonely and that has stayed at 199 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: similar levels in the years since. 200 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 2: Despite the fact that there's not those physical barriers of 201 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 2: being able to you know, we can go out of 202 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 2: it exactly if we want. 203 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. So we saw this exponential increase in the number 204 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: of young people feeling lonely during the pandemic and it 205 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: has stayed there despite like you were just saying, those 206 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 1: restrictions that came in during the pandemic lifting. Interestingly, just 207 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 1: staying on loneliness, is said that none of the other 208 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 1: age groups saw a similar increase in loneliness prevalence, So 209 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 1: it was only in young people that we saw that, 210 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: and actually older adults even saw a decrease in the 211 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: share of lonely people. 212 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 2: And that's part of a global trend as well. I mean, 213 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 2: we've covered loneliness studies that have been US based and 214 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 2: the warning from the US Surgeon General that loneliness is 215 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 2: the kind of epidemic of our time, particularly for younger populations, 216 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 2: and Australia is clearly not exempt from that. 217 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. Also, just quickly, in terms of a gender divide, 218 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 1: it found that females are more likely to become lonely 219 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 1: than males. 220 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of work to be done 221 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 2: in this loneliness space, and there are new projects from 222 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 2: almost every university in Australia around loneliness the psychology of loneliness. 223 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 2: But I think this highlights that clearly there are things 224 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:26,959 Speaker 2: that we're still trying to figure out an answer around 225 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 2: how to prevent it and help people move through it. 226 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 1: We often talk about the loneliness epidemic, particularly among young people, 227 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: and I can never talk about it without mentioning Eleanor Oliphant, 228 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: which is my favorite book of all time. Are you 229 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 1: familiar with it, Sam, No, Oh, It's called Eleanor Oliphant 230 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 1: is completely fine, and it follows the story of a 231 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:49,719 Speaker 1: woman who experiences severe loneliness. And it's just a beautiful, 232 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: beautiful book, and it really provides it's fiction, but it 233 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:58,479 Speaker 1: provides really captivating insights into the mindset of an extremely 234 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:03,199 Speaker 1: lonely person. It's a beautiful book. You'll cry and love 235 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: all in one sentence. It's just beautiful. 236 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 2: I don't know if I've got time to read with 237 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 2: all of my increased housework, due to make sure that 238 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 2: when we sit here this time next year, I can 239 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 2: say very firmly that I've lifted my game. Billy, thank 240 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 2: you so much for taking us through those findings. They're 241 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 2: fascinating and gives us an interesting snapshot into the state 242 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 2: of Australia and thank you for joining us on the 243 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 2: Daily Ods this morning. If you feel like you haven't 244 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 2: done quite enough housework, I've got the way to make 245 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 2: you feel better. You can follow, like or subscribe this 246 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 2: podcast watch the logic there. Not quite sure, I'll have 247 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 2: to tell you next time, but it does help independent media. 248 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 2: And you know, if we can make one of us 249 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 2: in this conversation feel better, then you don't feel that 250 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 2: good about the housework. We feel good about growing our 251 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 2: little company. So thank you so much for joining us. 252 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 2: They We'll be back in the afternoon with your headlines. 253 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 2: Have a good one. 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