1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:01,240 Speaker 1: This is Outspoken. 2 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 2: The podcast is not afraid to say exactly what you're thinking. 3 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: Our names are Amy Kate and Sophie Torba. 4 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 2: We're identical triplets, but we often don't have identical opinions, 5 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:16,280 Speaker 2: so sometimes things can get heated. Outspoken covers all things 6 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 2: reality TV, influencers, entertainment, and issues facing women. 7 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 1: That is so fatch. 8 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 2: Thank you, hello, and welcome back to Outspoken. Now we've 9 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 2: got our cups of tea at already, don't we Amy, Yes, 10 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 2: we've got one very naughty dog that was brought over. 11 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: It's a weird podcast. 12 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:35,840 Speaker 2: We're trying to unwind and ignore that with our cup 13 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 2: of tea because we are about to answer some quick 14 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 2: fire pop culture questions. We are so thank you for 15 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 2: everyone that's sent questions in. We've chosen six questions to answer, so, 16 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 2: so can you start us off. 17 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 1: With the first one? 18 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:49,840 Speaker 2: Well, this has been one that's been very much requested. 19 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 2: It's about Lily Brown hiding her new boyfriend. Sorry, that 20 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 2: sounds really sinister. She's not like hiding him out in 21 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 2: a cave or anything. She's literally hasn't posted a photo 22 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 2: of him on Instagram on her YouTube, but does a 23 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 2: cardinal sinner as a youtubeer. Now, before we get into it, 24 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:06,320 Speaker 2: let's give a bit of background as to who Lillly 25 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 2: Brown actually is. Now. She is a YouTuber and we 26 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:12,680 Speaker 2: first met her on Michael Finch's channel back in twenty eighteen. 27 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's right. 28 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:15,759 Speaker 2: So Lily came on the scene as one of Michael 29 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 2: Finch's friends, and I think what people loved was it 30 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 2: didn't really seem like she was trying to get anything 31 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 2: from Michael, which is kind of ironic because he set 32 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 2: up her influencer career for her. Well, yeah, you say that, 33 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 2: but I feel like now she's known as a bit 34 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 2: of a social climber because soon after that she joined 35 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 2: this core friendship group, which was of course Michael Finch, 36 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 2: Shanney Grimm, and Rannie Sky Wheatley, and they all did 37 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 2: blogging trips in America together. So it was kind of 38 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 2: evident that maybe she was using himself. I don't know, 39 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 2: that's debatable. There's a lot of talk about whether the 40 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 2: fact she and Michael are still friends, so it would 41 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 2: be interesting to hear whether Michael feels like maybe he 42 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 2: was used in a way to catapult her influencer career. 43 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: We'll never know now. 44 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 2: Her ex boyfriend is another influencer called Jerome, and he 45 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 2: actually previously dated influencer Ashton Wood and it was quite 46 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 2: controversial because he started his relationship with Lily quite soon after, 47 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 2: so there were rumors that he did in fact cheat 48 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 2: on the previous girlfriend with Lily, so things didn't really. 49 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: Get off on a good start with the pair. 50 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 2: Now, so I'm assuming he sort of became insta famous 51 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 2: after dating Ashton because. 52 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: She is a huge influencer. 53 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, he has twenty three point two thousand followers 54 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 2: at the moment. Now. I had a bit of a 55 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 2: look on Social Blade, which is a way to track 56 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 2: engagement and following, and it really surprised me because in 57 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 2: the past month he's actually gained three hundred and thirty followers, 58 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 2: which surprised me because now that he's no longer really 59 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:38,639 Speaker 2: relevant in being her boyfriend, I thought that he would 60 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 2: follow the same track as others and those following many 61 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:43,839 Speaker 2: it's not that many, but I was expecting to see 62 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 2: a huge drop. 63 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: You know, when you look in your feeding like who 64 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:47,239 Speaker 1: is this? 65 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:50,119 Speaker 2: Like why am I still following this person? I kind 66 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 2: of got that sort of vibe of him. 67 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:52,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, that's true. 68 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 2: I mean, we have spoken in the past how Shannie 69 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 2: Grumman's ex Jonathan, how his following has dramatically decreased since 70 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 2: the pair stopped, So I suppose that is kind of 71 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 2: surprising that he is still getting new followers. 72 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 1: That's right. 73 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 2: So, just for background, her whole life started to change 74 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 2: when she started dating Jerome. 75 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: Quickly. 76 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 2: She began talking about moving out of her family home 77 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 2: to the Gold Coast to be with him, and there 78 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 2: was a dramatic change in of logs as well. I 79 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 2: have to say they were kind of crap to begin with, 80 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 2: but they got even worse when she started dating Jerome. 81 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 2: I don't know. I actually think after she broke up 82 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 2: with Jerome that's when they started going downhill, because I 83 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 2: don't know, I feel like a lot of people like 84 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 2: to have a little look into people's lives, and especially 85 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 2: when they've got partners, there's some strange element that everyone 86 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 2: seems to love. 87 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, you do have a point. 88 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 2: I just don't really find him as a main character 89 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 2: per se, as like a Kurt Yeah, and I suppose 90 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 2: this is maybe why she is keeping the new boyfriend 91 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 2: very much off social media. I know he was in 92 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 2: a recent vlog where she went and. 93 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: Got her her lips dissolved. 94 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 2: He wasn't actually on camera, but he was behind the 95 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 2: camera so he could hear his voice, and they did 96 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 2: sound quite sweet together. But it's not surprising that some 97 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 2: influencers are being quite pret detective of their personal life 98 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 2: in that How does Lily know that that guy might 99 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 2: not just be using her to get followers? 100 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I completely agree. 101 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 2: I think it's quite clever of her not to include 102 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 2: him yet in her YouTube and Instagram. Yep, it's clever 103 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,559 Speaker 2: of her as a personal decision, as in her personal life, 104 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 2: probably not a clever decision because everyone wants to know 105 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 2: about him, So if she was to put up her 106 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 2: boyfriend tag, you know, on YouTube, a lot of people 107 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 2: would watch it. So as an influencer, it's not a 108 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 2: great career move, but as a person it's probably a 109 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 2: good personal move for her. But I kind of think, 110 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 2: almost as you say, on a personal level, for these 111 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:37,280 Speaker 2: influencers who then put their boyfriends out there, who then 112 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 2: become quite aspirational guys, their dms probably fill up by 113 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 2: women who then want to gain clout and attention from 114 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 2: them as well, So maybe there's a bit of insecurity there. 115 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 2: Because it seems like it is something that is relatively new. Well, 116 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 2: she's probably protecting her mental health as well, because she 117 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 2: probably doesn't want to be, you know, messaged by hundreds 118 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 2: of women saying, oh, I know, I'm sleeping with your boyfriend, 119 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 2: because there's a lot of that actually goes on. I mean, 120 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 2: look at the popularity that ukve loger Safron Barker, her 121 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,919 Speaker 2: new boyfriend's getting. He went from having I think around 122 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 2: maybe two thousand followers on Instagram, he's now got close 123 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 2: to two hundred thousand, and he's featured across all her videos, 124 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 2: which I'm loving. I mean, imagine if they broke up, 125 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:20,840 Speaker 2: you wouldn't like to admit it, but you would feel 126 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 2: quite mad that this person had literally been able to 127 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:26,840 Speaker 2: start a new career as an influencer based off I 128 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 2: suppose the clout of being your partner, particularly because those 129 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:33,039 Speaker 2: circles are quite small and everyone seems to know each other, 130 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 2: So then it would be awkward to go to events 131 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 2: today might perhaps be invited and yeah, it definitely does 132 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 2: seem to get quite messy, and then these relationships break up. 133 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, and let's be honest, if you had. 134 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 2: A bad breakup, you would not want to see them 135 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:47,839 Speaker 2: gaining off your popularity, which is a lot of the 136 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 2: time what we see when these influencers do break up. 137 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 1: I mean, look at Jonathan Souer. 138 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:56,719 Speaker 2: I mean, he's been able to start his social media 139 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 2: career based off the fact he was Shani Grumman's boyfriend, 140 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 2: and good on him for doing that, but it would 141 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:03,359 Speaker 2: kind of be you'd feel a bit weird because he 142 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 2: was first an accountant and now he's doing all this 143 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 2: modeling work as Shanny. You'd be a bit like, I 144 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 2: don't want to see his face around. I think as well, 145 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 2: that then also becomes the tendency where the couple's become 146 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 2: so popular themselves that then it becomes a joint YouTube 147 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 2: channel like Chloe and Mitch. So I mean, well, they've 148 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 2: had a baby, so let's hope they're staying together exactly. 149 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: But I just I. 150 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 2: More feel like it is a real branding exercise to 151 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 2: introduce your boyfriend onto the scene, So you've got to 152 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 2: make sure that that relationship is stable, as you say 153 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 2: stable to with go all of the scrutiny and probably 154 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 2: girls sliding into the DM. So I am interested to 155 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:38,919 Speaker 2: eventually meet Lily's boyfriend. I think it will be interesting 156 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 2: to hear who he is, how long they've been dating for. 157 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 2: I'm dying to know lots more about him. But I 158 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 2: do think it's the right decision at the moment. 159 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 1: Would you know why? 160 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 2: It could be a really good pr exercise on her 161 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 2: behalf because everyone's talking about it. Everyone wants to know 162 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 2: who he is, so when she does ultimately share a 163 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:56,919 Speaker 2: video with the two of them together, it's going to 164 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 2: get a lot of likes and a lot of views. 165 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:02,279 Speaker 2: Next question we have is what was our take on 166 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:03,719 Speaker 2: the Paris Hilton doco. 167 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: I absolutely loved it. 168 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 2: I was so excited when I saw the preview and 169 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 2: I couldn't wait to check it out on YouTube. I 170 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 2: also love the fact that was released on YouTube. I 171 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 2: think that's a really interesting element to the documentary as well. 172 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 2: But I suppose because we grew up well our teenage 173 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 2: years were during the early two thousands. I love to 174 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 2: revisit old celebrities from that time to analyze how much 175 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 2: they have changed and our idea of celebrity has changed. Well, 176 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 2: I must say Paris Hilton was looking bloody amazing for 177 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 2: thirty nine. I couldn't believe it, Like it doesn't look 178 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 2: like she's had that much work either. If she has 179 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 2: had something done, it's very subtle. 180 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: She looked beautiful. 181 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 2: I think it must be all of the you know, 182 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 2: the pampering, because they did show that she was getting 183 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 2: some kind of face mask or something. It is really 184 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 2: interesting you mentioned the early two thousands because if you 185 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 2: think back to that time, remember who the celebrities were. 186 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 2: It was like Jessicas Simpson from Newlyweds and obviously Paris 187 00:07:57,400 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 2: Hilton was big in Nicole Ritchie, and there was this 188 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 2: sort of narrative that if you were big on the 189 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 2: TV scene and in America. 190 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: You weren't particularly smart. 191 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 2: Like there was a character that they put across, and 192 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 2: that's the character that Paris spoke a lot about in 193 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 2: the documentary. It was the real glamorization of being dumb, 194 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 2: I have to say, and talking in baby voices, you know. 195 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 2: Obviously part obviously Kim Kardashian used to be Paris Hilton's 196 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 2: personal assistant and stylists. Well I read in an article 197 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 2: they called her a personal assistant. But anyway, she adopted 198 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 2: that baby voice in the first series of The Kardashians 199 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 2: as well. It's really interesting to go back and look 200 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 2: at that series and see how they very much. It 201 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 2: was very performative in the way they spoke and acted well. 202 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 2: I remember it came out that Jessica Simpson had an 203 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 2: extremely high IQ, and it was also reported that she, 204 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 2: like Paris Hilton, admitted that she was doing that she 205 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 2: had put on this character. And it's quite interesting to 206 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 2: look at society at that time that that was a 207 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 2: character that was accepted by the masses, a woman who's 208 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 2: attractive but really quite sick. I wonder if we had 209 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 2: had social media at the time, whether it would have 210 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 2: been more difficult to hide the smart side of themselves 211 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 2: or to be so inauthentic that they were being. I mean, 212 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 2: Paris has spoken about how she did adopt this baby 213 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 2: voice and how she actually naturally has a deep voice. 214 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 2: Did you actually think that her voice sounded that different 215 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 2: in the documentary? I did when I saw the initial clip, 216 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 2: but I just got used to it. 217 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: I mean, it was just. 218 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 2: All I've previously really heard her say is that's herd 219 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:28,719 Speaker 2: and like all the you know, you don't really hear 220 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 2: her talk that much on the shows. What I found 221 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 2: interesting was the reference to how she was I suppose 222 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 2: the first influencer. So she was filming herself and taking 223 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 2: selfies long before any of the influences that we know 224 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 2: of now we're doing any of this, And I suppose 225 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 2: it wasn't really something that she's seemed particularly proud of. 226 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 2: She said that she might have created a monster so well, 227 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 2: she said she felt bad at the end of the 228 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 2: docco she said, I feel responsible for how society has 229 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 2: turned now. The whole crux of the documentary was that 230 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 2: she spoke about alleged verbal abuse and torture that she 231 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 2: experienced at a reformatory school that her parents had sent 232 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 2: her to. Well, the whole basis of the documentary really 233 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 2: was the fact that the reason Paris had created this character, 234 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 2: which was so lavish in everything she did, was because 235 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:18,719 Speaker 2: it was a big fu to the people who had 236 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,319 Speaker 2: abused her at this camp. And it was actually really 237 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 2: sad because she did speak about how she didn't really 238 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 2: feel like she had the time to even meet somebody 239 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:30,439 Speaker 2: or have children. It seemed that everything that had happened 240 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 2: at this camp had negatively impacted her life so much 241 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 2: so that she didn't even know who she really was. 242 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 2: Or you say negatively impacted, she's still almost close to 243 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 2: earning a billion dollars, but I mean, I mean, it 244 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 2: doesn't make you happy, obviously, but. 245 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 1: No, it's funny. 246 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:47,439 Speaker 2: I watched the docco with my boyfriend and at the 247 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:49,839 Speaker 2: end he's like, I still don't feel sorry for her. 248 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: I mean, but I actually did. 249 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:53,719 Speaker 2: Because you know, you can have all the money in 250 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 2: the world. But she didn't seem particularly happy. Now, so 251 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 2: I'd love to hear what did you think of a 252 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 2: scene where she had that fight with her boyfriend when 253 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 2: she was djying. 254 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 1: I couldn't believe him. I thought it was so unsupportive. 255 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 2: She's there doing one of the biggest gigs of her 256 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 2: career and he's just interested in trying to get her attention. 257 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 1: And bitch and moan at her. I couldn't believe it. 258 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was great viewing, though it was so embarrassing Dale, 259 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 2: And I was saying, can you imagine if you were 260 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 2: him and you told all your friends like, oh, yeah, 261 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 2: I'm dating Paris Hilton, and then you show up for 262 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 2: like five minutes in the documentary, and one she's put 263 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 2: out cameras to spy on you because clearly she doesn't 264 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 2: trust you, And then the next minute you're acting like 265 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 2: a total douchebag at the festival and get kicked out. 266 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 2: It'd be really hard to find someone to date being 267 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 2: Paris Hilton, because you know, the whole public have this 268 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 2: perception of her that, since we've seen from the documentary, 269 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 2: isn't true. Yeah, she'd honestly have to date somebody that 270 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 2: was extremely rich, because you can't throw a normal person, 271 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 2: you know, a normal person into that lifestyle and not 272 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 2: expect them to be, you know, either feel like they're 273 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 2: lesser than her because she does have this amazing business 274 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 2: going on. 275 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 1: I'm just being honest. I was shocked by. 276 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 2: The amount of products she still was rolling out because 277 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 2: I felt like she'd become a bit irrelevant. I couldn't 278 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 2: believe when she said that she was kind of going 279 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 2: to take a bit of a chill pil after she'd 280 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:15,559 Speaker 2: earned one billion dollars. 281 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 1: I'm like, far out. 282 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 2: She must be dirty on the fact that Kylie Jenner 283 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 2: apparently has already made a. 284 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:23,839 Speaker 1: Billion and yeah, well that's questionable, is it now? 285 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 2: The next question was about Sky Wheatley's new Mummy and 286 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 2: Me clothing line. So she's released this clothing line and 287 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 2: the kids tracksuits. 288 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: Cost one hundred and ten dollars. 289 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 2: Now, my initial reaction was that this was outrageously priced, 290 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:39,439 Speaker 2: and what is the point if children are going to 291 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:43,079 Speaker 2: spill things on them? But then I had a bit 292 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 2: more of a deeper thought. Now, if an influencer is 293 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 2: to sell alternatively clothing that is very cheap, there is 294 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 2: someone down the line who is paying for it, whether 295 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:58,439 Speaker 2: it's through wages or unethical working conditions or even unsustainable Sorry, 296 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 2: that's not true, because she could be getting these clothes 297 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 2: unethically sourced, but just putting a huge price tag. But 298 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 2: that's where I beg to differ because there was a 299 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 2: post from a local woman who did make tie die outfits, 300 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 2: and she said that most of the time, because it's 301 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 2: tie die, you actually have. 302 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 1: To hand hand printed yourself. 303 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 2: Now I'm not suggesting that Sky Wheetley's out in her 304 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 2: backyard doing it, but she. 305 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 1: Is probably using a manufacturer to do it. 306 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 2: I Die, they would if you're doing personalized tied a. Yes, 307 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 2: they're all the same that that's printed. Well, this designer 308 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 2: seemed to think that it was being handmade, and she 309 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 2: said that if she was to hand make it, she 310 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 2: wouldn't be able to charge any less than seventy dollars 311 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:38,439 Speaker 2: per item. 312 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: Now have you realized it? Since the back last Sky Wheatley. 313 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 2: Has actually reduced the price, so she has brought the 314 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:45,959 Speaker 2: sets down to eighty dollars, So it's forty dollars for 315 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 2: a top, forty dollars for well, well, well, that's actually 316 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 2: good that she's listened to her audience and actually decided 317 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 2: to do that. But then again, is it because I 318 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 2: feel like you need to be confident in your brand. 319 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 2: If you're already putting the price down, you're saying that 320 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 2: it isn't worth it, and it makes people speculate more 321 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 2: whether it is just cheap goods that she's producing and 322 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 2: slapped you know, a huge price tag on the next 323 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 2: question is what is our opinion on influencers retouching their photos. Look, 324 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 2: I'm not surprised that influencers do it. Of course we 325 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 2: all know that they're doing it, but I actually do 326 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 2: think it's a really bad thing. 327 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 1: I think that you know, it's. 328 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 2: Okay to put filters and all of that on your photo, 329 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 2: but some of some influencers go to the absolute extreme 330 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 2: where they're making their waist smaller, or you know, they're 331 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 2: blurring out their face and other body parts, and I 332 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 2: just think that that's quite unethical to do it. I 333 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 2: remember when I was working as a news reporter, it 334 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 2: was probably about five years ago now, I did a 335 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 2: story about this app where you could add abs to 336 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 2: your body and you could make yourself skinnier, and I 337 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 2: spoke to a psychologist and she was talking about how 338 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 2: dangerous that is. Four teenagers psyche because even though you 339 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 2: know somewhat like people do know that these photos are 340 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 2: being edited, sometimes you just you still feel shit when you' 341 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 2: look at them. Well, I think it's even more scary 342 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 2: with the new Instagram filters, which you know, make your 343 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 2: nose skinnier and your lips bigger. And I just think 344 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 2: it's such a terrible thing that's happening at the moment. 345 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 2: But at the same time, I actually do feel sorry 346 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 2: for influencers because I feel like the scrutiny that they 347 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 2: face online is so intense, and there is just such 348 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 2: a pressure to be perfect at all times. You know, 349 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 2: if you were to put up a photo that you 350 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 2: perhaps weren't quite happy with or had some sort of 351 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 2: blemishes or whatever it may be, there's just so many 352 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 2: trolls that are there to point out what your problems 353 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 2: are no, But I mean, I just feel like it's 354 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 2: this sick cycle because yeah, there are a lot of 355 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 2: pressures that influences face and of course no one wants 356 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 2: to put up a photo where they've got a huge pimple, 357 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 2: But do you know what I feel like, there are 358 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 2: a lot of people calling out for influences to. 359 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 1: Be more real and raw. 360 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 2: We saw it when Talie Escines on her YouTube channel 361 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 2: spoke about her issues with her skin. 362 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 1: And everyone loved it. I also, but that being said. 363 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 2: There's going to be some people who were sensitive and 364 00:15:57,440 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 2: think it's great, but there's other There's gonna be other 365 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 2: people who and say, God, you're ugly, look at your pinpook. 366 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 2: But they're gonna say that regardless of how much they've 367 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 2: face tuned themselves. The issue is that young women and 368 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 2: young men are seeing these face tuned photos, and then 369 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 2: they're going and face tuning their photos, and then when 370 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 2: people see them, they're feeling shit about themselves because they 371 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 2: don't look like they're photographs. 372 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 1: It's so hard because I don't know whether to blame 373 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: the influencer or if it's the broader society. 374 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 2: That is to blame for this. Unrealistic view. The thing 375 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 2: I hate more than the face tune is when some 376 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 2: influencers post photos of themselves saying their makeup free, when 377 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 2: they look amazing, so it's you know, sometimes you can 378 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 2: tell they've just had a facial and they've decided to 379 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 2: take this stunning photo of themselves with. 380 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 1: Hashtag makeup free. 381 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 2: The reason I hate it is because people will look 382 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 2: at it and go, oh my god, I don't look 383 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 2: like that makeup free. By them saying their makeup free, 384 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 2: they're saying, oh, this is I look bad in this photo, 385 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 2: but it's suddenly saying, also, look how great I look 386 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 2: at our makeup on Well, that's the thing. If we 387 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 2: actually saw some makeup free photos that were realistic, it 388 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 2: might be. But some people do post realistic makeup free ones. 389 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:07,479 Speaker 2: But the ones where you can tell that it's, you know, 390 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 2: this absolute banging photo of them and they don't actually 391 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 2: look like that makeup free, I think that's kind of dangerous. 392 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 1: I do think it's such a fine line. 393 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 2: I just feel like, even for people who aren't influencers, 394 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:19,959 Speaker 2: you do feel a lot of pressure about what you 395 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 2: post online. Like even for me, I don't have many followers, 396 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:24,160 Speaker 2: and I think, oh, this photo is not good enough, 397 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 2: or you know, there's always that thing in the back 398 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,239 Speaker 2: of your mind, or who's gonna say something about this? 399 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:31,119 Speaker 1: Like you know, you never feel like your photo is 400 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: good enough. 401 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 2: And it's really sad that there's that pressure on everyone 402 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 2: when it should be a platform that's fun. 403 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:38,159 Speaker 1: Is it sad? And I don't really think that. 404 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 2: I mean, because I don't really choose to post selfies 405 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:44,120 Speaker 2: or I don't know, just single shots of me. I would, 406 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 2: but you wouldn't just post up anything, would you. You're 407 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 2: not just that person that's just banging out a photo. 408 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 2: But that's because I don't take photos of myself all 409 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 2: the time the only time. 410 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: That's really why you don't feel the pressure. 411 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 2: Then yeah, But if you're an influencer having to post 412 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:58,159 Speaker 2: photos of yourself, yeah, I can see the pressure. But 413 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 2: but do you think that you don't post as much 414 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:03,120 Speaker 2: because you know that your photos aren't deemed good enough 415 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 2: to put on there because you're not doing something glamorous. 416 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:07,639 Speaker 2: You're not going to snap a photo of yourself sitting 417 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 2: here doing the podcast now and whack it up because 418 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 2: you're so confident in myself. 419 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: Of course, I'm not saying that at all. 420 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,640 Speaker 2: I'm just saying that the photos that I normally put 421 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 2: up of when I've been out somewhere and I've actually 422 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 2: taken a photo, I don't tend to take photos of 423 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:22,879 Speaker 2: myself all day every day because it would just be 424 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 2: me sitting in my track pants and my hoodie. And no, 425 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 2: I wouldn't choose to post that exactly, no. 426 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:28,479 Speaker 1: No, no. 427 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 2: But I'm saying that if I was an influencer and 428 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:35,199 Speaker 2: every day I was posting images of myself, I probably 429 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 2: would try and post photos that were relatable. A lot 430 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,199 Speaker 2: of the influencers don't realize that not everyone wants to 431 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 2: see them glammed up to the max every single photograph 432 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 2: because it's not relatable. As I said, I haven't taken 433 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,919 Speaker 2: a photo of myself probably for the last four months, 434 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 2: because all I've done is sit around home wearing tracksuit pants. 435 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 2: I just know, like just reflecting back when we worked 436 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 2: at the news, and obviously you'd be doing piece to 437 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 2: cameras every day, and it was not that it was 438 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 2: all about what you look like, but you were having 439 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 2: to present yourself in a certain way. And I remember 440 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 2: as soon as the feed would be put in the 441 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:07,920 Speaker 2: computer for you to watch your piece. To coming back, 442 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 2: I actually have to put my hands over my eyes 443 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 2: and just kind of look. 444 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 1: Through because I was so nervous about what I look like. 445 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 2: And that's because that's been put to thousands of people 446 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 2: out at night time. And that's how these influencers must 447 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 2: feel when they're putting their photo out to their one 448 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 2: million followers. 449 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: They want to get it right. 450 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's also because they want to have a 451 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:29,439 Speaker 2: stylish Instagram feed and people, you know, because there's all 452 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 2: the people that have their secondary accounts as well, which 453 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 2: are there like real life photos. I can see how 454 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 2: you'd have to have a really esthetically pleasing photograph. But 455 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 2: can we just leave in the fact that that's how 456 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 2: wide your hips are? 457 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, in fact that well, I don't agree with 458 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 1: photoshopping at all. 459 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 2: I'm just saying that I can see why people may 460 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 2: feel the pressure to do it, and it's really hard 461 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:52,880 Speaker 2: to know what the resolution is. I do. I do 462 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 2: love when Michael Finch face tunes his photos because he's 463 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 2: so honest about it, and it just cracks me up. 464 00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 2: People are like, a face tuned the f out of 465 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 2: this phot and you're just like, yeah, and it does 466 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 2: look like a cool photo and everyone's aware that you've 467 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 2: done it, So maybe that's maybe that's the answer, just 468 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:10,479 Speaker 2: being more transparent about what you've done. And I feel like, 469 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:12,880 Speaker 2: you know, smoothing out skin and stuff, that's one thing, 470 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 2: but when you're making yourself skinnier, I think that's where 471 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:17,360 Speaker 2: it gets. 472 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:17,880 Speaker 1: A bit too far. 473 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:20,439 Speaker 2: Now, the next question we have is a little bit different. 474 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 2: It's advice for year twelves who are about to undertake 475 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:26,400 Speaker 2: their exams. Gosh, I feel so sorry for everybody that's 476 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 2: in year twelve this year. What a strange year. Actually, 477 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 2: in saying that, I probably would have been wrapped if 478 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 2: this had happened when we were in year twelve, because 479 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 2: I I did hate being actually physically at school, not 480 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:39,119 Speaker 2: the work itself. Oh, it would have been great just 481 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 2: social distance from some of the people at our school, 482 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:44,159 Speaker 2: but would have been the ultimate. But I mean, for 483 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 2: most people who actually enjoy school, it would be terrible 484 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,120 Speaker 2: because you've missed out on your formal You've missed out 485 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,959 Speaker 2: on all of the fun parts of year twelve school 486 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 2: leaves mark up day was fun. But my advice would 487 00:20:55,720 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 2: be to make sure you have prepped properly, and that's 488 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 2: throughout the whole year. So I mean, maybe that advice 489 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:05,879 Speaker 2: can fall on is redundant, but I think you've got 490 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 2: to pace yourself. You can't just cram, you know, a 491 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 2: few nights before and hope to pass. So I actually, 492 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 2: I actually remember, I think we had three exams. We 493 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 2: will do the same things in year twelve. So we 494 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 2: had three exams in year twelve, and one of them 495 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:22,959 Speaker 2: was a psychology exam, and I remember the night before 496 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 2: just completely freaking out, even though I'd studied the whole 497 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 2: lead up to it properly, I just freak myself out 498 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 2: and told myself that I didn't know anything. But I 499 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 2: think at that point that's when you've actually just got 500 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,159 Speaker 2: to go to bed, because there's a certain amount that 501 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 2: when you actually have proper sleep, your brain goes over 502 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 2: the things. 503 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:40,440 Speaker 1: That you've learned that day. 504 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 2: So I think you've just got to give yourself proper sleep, 505 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 2: give yourself the time to prepare for it, and not 506 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 2: put too much pressure on yourself. I think it's always 507 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:51,439 Speaker 2: good as well to read stuff and then explain it 508 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,360 Speaker 2: to somebody, because sometimes if you're just reading a textbook 509 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 2: and trying to memorize something, it's just unless you've got 510 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:00,479 Speaker 2: a photo photographic memory. It's really hard to do. So 511 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,159 Speaker 2: maybe even talk to a friend who's studying for the 512 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 2: exam and runs through questions and ask each other the 513 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 2: questions and make sure you're able to make sure you 514 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 2: actually know what you're talking about. You haven't just you know, 515 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 2: rope learned and written something down. 516 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:14,959 Speaker 1: I think that's such a good point. 517 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 2: I used to have this tendency to try and rope 518 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,680 Speaker 2: learn everything, and then you would really struggle if you 519 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 2: forgot what. 520 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 1: The next letter in that rope learning was and you thought, fuck, 521 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 1: I actually don't know this. I've got another tip. 522 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 2: If you're doing a cheat sheet, just learn to write 523 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 2: really tiny and cram as much on that cheat sheet 524 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:32,160 Speaker 2: as you can. 525 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I remember in your twelve. 526 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 2: My hand was so sore by the end of those 527 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 2: exams because you'd always been using your I was gonna 528 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 2: say laptop, but I actually we were in your twelve 529 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,399 Speaker 2: so long ago. It was actually a desktop computer that 530 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:44,400 Speaker 2: I used in my bedroom. 531 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 1: Laptops. I had a desktop in my room. I think I. 532 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 2: Remember having a laptop as well. I'm sure they were around, 533 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 2: but we're not as commonplace now. But well, good luck 534 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 2: to all the year twelve students just think the hell 535 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 2: is almost over and then you're never going to have 536 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,679 Speaker 2: to be at school again, except then you're probably just 537 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 2: going to have four years of university. 538 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 1: Oh I love UNI. 539 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,680 Speaker 2: Yes, UNI Holidays, they're coming soon. Now. 540 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:10,440 Speaker 1: The last question we've chosen. 541 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 2: Is what are our thoughts on Shani Grimman's latest videos. 542 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 1: I love them. The old Shiny is back. Queen Shani 543 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 1: is back. 544 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 2: And now we've spoken in the past about Shanny and 545 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 2: we have been quite critical of the fact that she 546 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:24,880 Speaker 2: was away from YouTube for a long time, and really 547 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 2: it's because we're og Shani Grubbin fans. We were disappointed 548 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,640 Speaker 2: by the lack of content. But she has come back. 549 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 2: I think she's dropped three videos in the last I 550 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,159 Speaker 2: think like eight days, and they I don't know. As 551 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 2: you said, Shani is just back. She's bubbly, she's her 552 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 2: fun self, she seems happy. She does seem happy, and 553 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,159 Speaker 2: she seems more assured in herself. I feel like she 554 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,919 Speaker 2: was second guessing herself. And I suppose when you have 555 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,479 Speaker 2: been doing YouTube for such a long time, you probably 556 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,120 Speaker 2: do question what you want to do, whether you want 557 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 2: to change up your content. And I think she's realized 558 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 2: that vlogging is where it's. 559 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 1: At for her. 560 00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,640 Speaker 2: Well, I do think that if you look at it, 561 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,400 Speaker 2: she did seem to stop sort of being her fun, 562 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 2: bubbly self when she did move to Melbourne, when she 563 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,880 Speaker 2: was involved in her relationship with Tommy Bugg. And I'm 564 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 2: just saying that the friendship breakdown with Chloe as well, 565 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 2: which would have been a sad time for anyone. Yeah, 566 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:14,679 Speaker 2: but I just feel like she seemed really different and 567 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,679 Speaker 2: a bit more sad when she was in Melbourne. So 568 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 2: maybe now it's kind of a fresh start. She's back 569 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:24,439 Speaker 2: in Brisbane, she's single again. Her HOUSEMATEE seems really lovely. 570 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,120 Speaker 2: They seem to be having a lot of fun. So 571 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 2: I am loving the content. Now. 572 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:29,360 Speaker 1: I think that's all we've got time for. 573 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 2: Because Sophie's dog Archie has just been playing up. He's 574 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 2: weed on the floor during this podcast. He's sparking, he's 575 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 2: biting at my feet. I don't know how. 576 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 1: I don't know how we've continued, but we've pushed through. 577 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,920 Speaker 1: How we pushed through, he pushed through for the business. Well, 578 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:45,200 Speaker 1: thank you so much for listening. 579 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 2: We'll see there he is again. Yeah, we've been having 580 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,440 Speaker 2: to try and hide this. You just want to be 581 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,399 Speaker 2: heard on the podcast, he does. He does want to 582 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 2: be heard now. He wants everyone to follow him on Instagram. 583 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,919 Speaker 2: Is his sister Shameless Plug actually at Archie the Golden Cocker. 584 00:24:58,119 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: That's right. 585 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 2: Anyway, if you did like this episode, we'd love if 586 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 2: you could leave us a review, preferably five stars for 587 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 2: good karma please and also go and join our Facebook community. 588 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:15,200 Speaker 2: It's Outspoken the podcast community. We're having some amazing chats 589 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 2: in there, so go hit us up there and also 590 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 2: make sure you follow our Instagram. It's Outspoken Underscore, the 591 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,680 Speaker 2: Underscored Podcast. 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