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Speaker 3: It's good to be back. Early Sunday morning Australian time.

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Speaker 3: Perth based band Voyager will be representing Australia with their

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Speaker 3: To know why why is Australia in Eurovision at all?

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Speaker 3: So we're gonna answer that question in the deep Dive.

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Speaker 2: Google's artificial intelligence tool Barred launched in Australia yesterday. The

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Speaker 3: And some good AI news for you today. Scientists scientists

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Speaker 2: Dust off your glitter. Eurovision is around the corner. But

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Speaker 3: It turns out Australia has a long history with Eurovision.

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