1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,720 Speaker 1: We nearly three hundred real residents have packed a community 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:06,199 Speaker 1: hall to address concerns of a crime wave in the area. 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: It comes as thirty four incidents have been reported to 4 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:11,480 Speaker 1: police in the past twelve weeks. Police say the offenders 5 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: are targeting money, alcohol and cigarettes, but real residents are 6 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: say they are concerned for their safety. To talk more 7 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 1: about it, the independent member for Goida is Kesiopuric, and 8 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 1: of course the Gouder electorate covers large parts of Darwin's 9 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: rural area and Kesy was there on the weekend. Kezier, 10 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: good morning. 11 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 2: Good morning Maddie. Not only targeting all those things and 12 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 2: stealing them, but they're also stealing cars. You know, it's 13 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 2: the usual thing, but regrettably people leave keys in cars 14 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 2: and that's how these criminals get access to them so easily. 15 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 2: So that was a key message that came out of Saturdays. 16 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 2: Much as we like to think we live in a 17 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:49,880 Speaker 2: world that you know, are quiet, in peace and harm 18 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:51,520 Speaker 2: there to leave my car and my house I'm lot, 19 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 2: that's not the reality anymore. So the message come from police. 20 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 2: You know, please lock your vailables, lot your cars, whatever, 21 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 2: or lot your property. If you have boundary fense. So 22 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 2: but it's a spike. It's a spike. And it's not 23 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 2: only predominantly bees Creek Virginia areas and that area, but 24 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 2: also Humpty dudes down the Gwyn's Lagoon around dream Time 25 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 2: Avenue Road and also a little bit down Acasia. So 26 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 2: they're youngish people from some people sect footage, but not 27 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:21,320 Speaker 2: like ten or eleven type of age, but probably mid 28 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 2: teens and up. And people are very concerned, Maddie people. 29 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 2: You know a lot of people who live by themselves 30 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 2: have been old ladies or old men, or or just 31 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 2: young women. There was a very passionate young woman at 32 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 2: the meeting who had above in a belly and a 33 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:37,680 Speaker 2: little eighteen month old and she was home alone hubby 34 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 2: as of fifol and she had the tutor on the property. 35 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 2: And when she rang, they said only coming to a 36 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 2: couple of hours before a police cart can get there. 37 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 2: And she said, well, I'm telling you now, I've got 38 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:49,919 Speaker 2: a gun. It's loaded, so there in about fifteen minutes. 39 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 2: You know, it shouldn't have to resort to that, but 40 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 2: that people are genuinely concerned for their taking, their families 41 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 2: and their property. 42 00:01:57,640 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was one of the things I was quite 43 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: shocked reading some of the quotes from some of the 44 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: people like that meeting at the NT News across the weekend. 45 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: I mean, you know the quotes read can we shoot them? 46 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: Can we use our registered firearms if we fear for 47 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 1: our lives? I mean that's a worry if rural residents 48 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: are getting to that point. 49 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 2: Cazier, well, yes it is, Maddie, And of course police 50 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 2: didn't condone that kind of activity, but you know, and 51 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 2: a lot of real people do have license firearms for 52 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 2: lots of reasons. I've got guns myself. But it's what 53 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 2: the police said is if you apprehend someone, it's about 54 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 2: reasonable force. But you know, whether it means you jump 55 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 2: on them or you're not them with a cricket bat 56 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 2: or whatever, you know, but it's about reasonable force, you know, 57 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 2: reasonable expectations, which is a very subjective thing. But the 58 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 2: two senior police officers there, Nathan Finn and his colleague 59 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,079 Speaker 2: and also Jennet Curfon to families, I mean, I answered 60 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 2: the questions as best they can. But some questions don't 61 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 2: have an answer. Why are parents responsible for these children? 62 00:02:58,120 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 2: There's no answer to that, you know, like how long 63 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 2: the piece of streams but what is clear is that 64 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 2: the Rule Area is being targeted. Now, whether it's an 65 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 2: organizational target or whether it's just coincidental is a moot point. 66 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:14,679 Speaker 2: The fact is the Rule Air is seen, I think 67 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,119 Speaker 2: as a soft target and that's got to stop. We've 68 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 2: got to look after our neighbors. And I think what 69 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:21,799 Speaker 2: will come out of this matting is more of the 70 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 2: formalized neighborhood watch groups we set up in the Rule 71 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 2: Air and we had information on hand on Saturdays for that. 72 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 2: And most people are pretty good at, you know, keep 73 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 2: an eye on what's going on in their street or row. 74 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 2: But I think they've just got to be extra diligent 75 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 2: these days and report. I asked at one stage in 76 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 2: the meetings, don't hands up anyone who hasn't reported an 77 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 2: incident on their properties? About a dozen hands that we're up. 78 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 2: So the numbers the police have got and the numbers 79 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 2: that the politicians of the Labor government and using are 80 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 2: not necessarily correct. So thirty seven I think thirty seven 81 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 2: within twelve week periods. That's just in the Rule Area. 82 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 2: That's from just down to sort of Adelaide riverige Way or. 83 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 1: Rachela, Yeah, which I guess leads me to so the 84 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: next question, and I've got Matt hollanby from Anti Police 85 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 1: and a little bit later talking about crime statistics, so 86 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: it's something I'm keen to ask him as well. But 87 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: do you think that there's an indication then that crime 88 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: is actually being underreported in the rural area? 89 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 2: Yes, to do, Yes, I do, particularly in this last 90 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 2: say six months, and clearly there are people who put 91 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 2: their hand and said, no, we didn't report it. Now 92 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 2: why do they not report it? One day, weren't hurt 93 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:26,039 Speaker 2: or nothing was stolen, but two they see no point 94 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 2: because if they report it, you know, the police are stretched, 95 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 2: you know that Parmesan and elsewhere, so it's like, well 96 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 2: they'll get it for four o'clock in the morning and 97 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 2: obviously by then, I mean the senior officer Nathan Finn said, 98 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 2: I think over a weekend. Oh no, it was one night. 99 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 2: I think he had two hundred incident in Parmeston alone. 100 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 2: So you know, if we didn't have this high level 101 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 2: of crime at the moment, the police resources wouldn't be overstretched. 102 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 2: And when there was a serious the response time is 103 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 2: probably going to be quicker. So it comes back to 104 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 2: the view or I think anyway, it comes back to 105 00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 2: the view within this criminal community or criminal element that 106 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 2: nothing will happen to them, there are no consequences. There 107 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 2: might be a little bit of correlation with tough economic 108 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 2: times and people losing jobs. There may be a bit 109 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 2: of that, but I have no evidence to support that. 110 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 2: But I think it's just opportunistic criminals stealing and taking 111 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 2: and causing great distress to a lot of people in 112 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 2: our community. 113 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:23,479 Speaker 1: Case here, it seem like the meeting was quite hated 114 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 1: at times. Were people angry at police or the government government? 115 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean yeah, some people did try. I mean 116 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:34,919 Speaker 2: they didn't mean to, but some people did sort of, 117 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 2: you know, say to the police, you know, what are 118 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 2: you doing about it's why take out the question. But 119 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:42,599 Speaker 2: most of the people there were a level headed and said, look, 120 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 2: these people are one day here on a Saturday morning, 121 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 2: you know, doing their job, trying to talk to community, 122 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 2: and you know they're taking that time out with it. 123 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 2: I mean they'll probably be working anyway. But no. Definitely 124 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 2: directed at the government and the perception, rightly or wrongly, 125 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 2: that the government is soft on these young criminals. That's 126 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 2: what was coming out clearly, and a lot of people 127 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 2: went away from the meeting were thinking, oh well, nothing 128 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 2: really much came out of that, but it should send 129 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:09,359 Speaker 2: a very strong signal to the government, which will be 130 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 2: helped by myself, Jared Mayley from Nelson and Iansloan from 131 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 2: Daily will send them the information, send them the data 132 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:18,279 Speaker 2: to say, you know, enough is enough. You know you 133 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 2: have to start to you know, not only address the 134 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 2: crime levels in the northern suburbs but also in the 135 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 2: rural area. 136 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: Were you surprised that there were no government ministers there? 137 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 2: I was surprised that the government minister. 138 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 3: No. 139 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:31,919 Speaker 2: I wasn't surprised that they were there, but I was 140 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 2: surprised that they didn't send someone. They should have sent 141 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,839 Speaker 2: someone from their office. That happened before a public meetings 142 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 2: or you know, yes, the police were there, but that 143 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:45,359 Speaker 2: police were organized directly and Jeanett Clerk from Territory Families 144 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 2: was invited directly or through the department. But both Minister 145 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 2: Manason for Police and Kate Warden for Territory Families were 146 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 2: both invited by Jared Maydy and as I understand it 147 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 2: not even a reply to the invitation. But they should 148 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 2: have had someone from the department. They're other than Janet Curve. 149 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 2: They should have had people from the Minister's office so 150 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 2: they could they can see firsthand not only the number 151 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:08,840 Speaker 2: of people that took the time to come out for 152 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 2: the day, but what was being said and the sentiment 153 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 2: of people in the rural community towards the government, which 154 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 2: is not positive. 155 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: The general consensus when we talk about this is, you know, 156 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 1: the same line all the time, as something needs to change. 157 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: Do you think based on this meeting on Saturday, that 158 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: something will change. 159 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 2: It will only change if it's pushed, and it has 160 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 2: to be pushed by people like myself and Jed mainly 161 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 2: in the insload, but it also has to be pushed 162 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 2: by you know, individual people coming and seeing me telling 163 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 2: their stories, or you know, if they feel so inclined 164 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 2: and so intense about this, I'll give them the address 165 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 2: to the minister's officers and they can write directly to them. 166 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 2: It's only when we start to really show evidence and 167 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 2: facts to these ministers and to the government will change happen. 168 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 2: I know that there is a view by the CLP 169 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 2: that they want to bail access strengthen, and I agree 170 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 2: with that position. It just seems like a revolving door, 171 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 2: you know, there was some kids ahead on the news 172 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 2: picked up on I don't know last weekeme a one 173 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 2: before ten times in the Northern taken home. You know, like, 174 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 2: what's the point of taking hummon if he I mean 175 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 2: potentially he goes out on the street to run them 176 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 2: up do something. But the other thing, Mattie that was 177 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 2: a concern to some of the residents is these people 178 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 2: have weapons on them. They have knives on them, and 179 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 2: that one of those knives where the handle you can 180 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 2: put your fingers through it like a muckle duster. One 181 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 2: of those was left in a driveway with some tools 182 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 2: like screw divers and stuff. So if they're taking a 183 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:40,439 Speaker 2: weapon with them, that means potentially that weapon could be 184 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 2: used on an innocent person and that's a big concern 185 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 2: to me and to the community. 186 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's bloody scary, I think hopefully. 187 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 2: Also the other thing, Mattie is that the police anti 188 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 2: police and also Turkey Families people will take back to 189 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 2: their organizations the outcome of the meeting and the comments, 190 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 2: and you know, they're doing their best. You know, they 191 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 2: say they. 192 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 3: Have people that they are aware of could potentially be 193 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 3: the perpetrators. But of course, you know, please have to 194 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:13,199 Speaker 3: follow their due processes and gather evidence and intel before 195 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 3: any resk. 196 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 2: Can be made. Given time, I believe they will, They're 197 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 2: good at that kind of thing. 198 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: Well, we are going to catch up with the Police 199 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 1: Minister in just a few moments time, so hopefully we 200 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: can get some more answers there and think Independent Member 201 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 1: for going to Kisia Puric. Thank you so much for 202 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 1: taking time to chat to us this morning. 203 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 2: Thanks Bady, Bye bye