Speaker 1: Today's episode is brought to you by Olaplex. This is Outspoken,
Speaker 1: the podcast it's not afraid to say exactly what you're thinking.
Speaker 1: Our names are Amy, Kate and Sophie Torba. We're identical triplets,
Speaker 1: but we often don't have identical opinions, so sometimes things
Speaker 1: can get heated. Outspoken covers all things reality TV, influencers,
Speaker 1: entertainment and issues facing women. That is so fat Thank you.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of Outspoken. Thanks so much
Speaker 1: for joining us. As usual, you're joined by Kate and Sophie,
Speaker 1: and we've got little Archie here in the studio, which
Speaker 1: is of course Sophie's dog. And so if you have
Speaker 1: a pretty embarrassing confession about something you've recently purchased for Archie,
Speaker 1: I do. I'm going to look like an absolute psycho.
Speaker 1: I've bought him a dog stroller. And this is because
Speaker 1: he cannot stand to be away from me for longer
Speaker 1: than really a couple of minutes. I can't be out
Speaker 1: of his sight. He's obsessed with me at the moment.
Speaker 1: So this is basically like a baby stroller, but mini
Speaker 1: one for dogs. It is so cute. They've got this
Speaker 1: little area that where you can zip them in. So
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like people are going to be
Speaker 1: looking at me assuming this is a baby, and then
Speaker 1: getting a surprise when they see a beautiful dog. I
Speaker 1: am not going for a walk with you. If you're
Speaker 1: pushing that, that is so embarrassing. I think it's kind
Speaker 1: of cool because of course Archie's not allowed to go
Speaker 1: on walks yet because he hasn't had all this vaccination,
Speaker 1: so it's a great way that he can come on.
Speaker 1: So for my little lunchtime walks. Aren't you just teaching
Speaker 1: him that he's never going to be left alone. I
Speaker 1: feel like this is going to backfire on you eventually.
Speaker 1: It's more for my neighbors who can't stand his bloody
Speaker 1: howling the whole time. The funniest thing about getting Archie, though,
Speaker 1: is that I've now somehow teamed up with two other girls.
Speaker 1: Will connect with two girls who also have the puppies
Speaker 1: from the same litter, and they have been messaging me
Speaker 1: saying they have had the weeks from hell. It's like
Speaker 1: a mom's group online. It's like it just reminds me
Speaker 1: of what I'll be like as a mum, just bitching
Speaker 1: about my child. Like yeah, they didn't go to sleep,
Speaker 1: and they they're around me all the time. My favorite
Speaker 1: story this week from you about Archie was the fact
Speaker 1: that you've had him in this little run that's basically
Speaker 1: a big cage for him to sleep in, and he
Speaker 1: managed to climb out of it. Now, Amy, it's not
Speaker 1: a cage, it's a great sorry, a crag we hate
Speaker 1: has a rather nasty kind of dat. Anyway, he climbed
Speaker 1: out of his sleeping enclosure, climbed up the stairs, which
Speaker 1: you didn't even know he could do, and scratched on
Speaker 1: your door to come in. Well, it's pretty crazy. I
Speaker 1: managed to slide open the sliding door as well. So
Speaker 1: he's a very very talented dog, very intelligent dog. Well,
Speaker 1: we were having people vote whether he should have been
Speaker 1: called Manukah or whether he should have been called Archie.
Speaker 1: I think he should have been killed Houdini. That's so late, Ken,
Speaker 1: would you start taking pictures of yourself? Your sister's going
Speaker 1: to jail. Now, let's get into our first topic, which
Speaker 1: is the evolution of the instamum. Now, I've got to say,
Speaker 1: these types of accounts have been popping up in my
Speaker 1: feed recently, and I think it's because I'm in my
Speaker 1: thirties now, and I've got to say I love following
Speaker 1: these accounts because I feel like a fly on the
Speaker 1: wall looking into what potentially could be my life in
Speaker 1: five years time. What a very scary thought. Well, I
Speaker 1: don't know, you know what I mean, in the next
Speaker 1: coming years. There always seems to be that stereotypical instamum.
Speaker 1: She's always young, blonde, everything's organized, she's got one of
Speaker 1: those pantries that's got labels over everything. Yeah, and the
Speaker 1: kids are always pretentious names and immaculately dressed. Yeah. When
Speaker 1: you say pretentious, they've always got a unique name, don't they. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so unique name that you've never heard of and is
Speaker 1: very marketable. I suppose that is interesting you say that,
Speaker 1: because then I think quite a number of women have
Speaker 1: made a niche or a market for themselves by showing
Speaker 1: what it's really like to be a mum, like that
Speaker 1: really raw side. Yeah. Well, I feel like there's two
Speaker 1: kinds of Instagram accounts. You're either the mother that pretends
Speaker 1: that the child's never vomited or never poos and it's
Speaker 1: everything's all rosy and perfectly curated, or there is the
Speaker 1: mum that sort of opens up about what life is
Speaker 1: really like as a mum. Yeah. Well, I feel like
Speaker 1: with the introduction of Instagram Stories, a lot of the
Speaker 1: mums sort of share a bit more details on the story,
Speaker 1: but the feed often remains pretty much curated. Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say the reason I thought this topic
Speaker 1: would be good to talk about is because I was
Speaker 1: watching last night Chloe Zepp, who's a massive influencer. She's
Speaker 1: pregnant with Mitchell Orvil, who's another huge influencer his baby,
Speaker 1: and they did a house tour and they were showing
Speaker 1: off the nursery and it was literally like brand deal here,
Speaker 1: brand deal here, we got this for free, this, this
Speaker 1: and this, and it just made me think of the
Speaker 1: money that is involved in being a mummy blogger. Well,
Speaker 1: they are really turning a baby into a commodity at
Speaker 1: the moment, aren't they. As you said, there's so many
Speaker 1: brand deals to be made, and it's kind of that
Speaker 1: next evolution for a lot of influences. Yeah, exactly right.
Speaker 1: So I suppose there's two camps. There's the people that
Speaker 1: already have the following that they're documenting their life, so
Speaker 1: it's a natural progression into being an instamum, or there
Speaker 1: are those people that just take off because they're sharing
Speaker 1: all their mum hacks and somehow they just make it
Speaker 1: big and get a massive following. Well that's a bit
Speaker 1: like what happened to Tammy Hembro, who, of course we
Speaker 1: were talking about last week. Tammy actually got famous after
Speaker 1: she gave birth to her son. I feel like hers
Speaker 1: is more about being a hot mum, though, because I
Speaker 1: feel like the most recent well, the accounts that I
Speaker 1: follow a lot usually very much organizational base. So there's
Speaker 1: Steph Pace and she has her own planners and her
Speaker 1: pantry is just amazing. She has a YouTube channel where
Speaker 1: she shares all of her organizational tips and I just
Speaker 1: hang on every one of her stories. I just find
Speaker 1: it so fascinating. But don't you think it makes other
Speaker 1: mums feel like shit? Because I wonder if there's this
Speaker 1: side of it where I know we've spoken before in
Speaker 1: the past about hate following, and I'm sure there would
Speaker 1: be a lot of mums who are hate following the instamums.
Speaker 1: Oh definitely. There was a study in Canada and it
Speaker 1: found that social media makes mums feel insecure about their parenting.
Speaker 1: So it's sort of there's so many different areas that
Speaker 1: they feel insecure, So they feel like their meals aren't
Speaker 1: as healthy and yummy, their postpart and body isn't as good,
Speaker 1: maybe their husband doesn't adore them as much as the
Speaker 1: other husbands. There's so many different parts that they compare
Speaker 1: themselves to. And I suppose this is really damaging when
Speaker 1: you reflect that a lot of people do suffer from
Speaker 1: post natal depressions, so it would be really hard sitting
Speaker 1: there struggling. And then you're going onto Instagram and there's
Speaker 1: all these people with their beautiful lives and their perfect
Speaker 1: pantries and everything's clean, and their kids are gorgeous and
Speaker 1: behaving and sleeping through the night, when in fact, insta
Speaker 1: mums are very performative. It's not really what's happening. It's
Speaker 1: really that sense of comparison, isn't it. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: the first time in history that we've been able to
Speaker 1: kind of be a fly on the wall of what
Speaker 1: mums are doing. So, I mean, you know, back in
Speaker 1: the day, when you just have your photo album to
Speaker 1: flick through, you couldn't compare whether your child's birthday party
Speaker 1: was better than the next. I suppose it also opens
Speaker 1: up to a lot of judgment on what mums on
Speaker 1: Instagram are doing too. Definitely. The thing is with a
Speaker 1: lot of the YouTubers or instagrammers who were popular before
Speaker 1: having their baby, you'll find that they document every single stage.
Speaker 1: So using Sarah's day as an example, she announced that
Speaker 1: she was having a baby and that it was a
Speaker 1: complete surprise, and I remember seeing a scene that she
Speaker 1: put up and she was crying. Well, she had just
Speaker 1: found out she was pregnant and it was a real
Speaker 1: shock because she's had pcos, so it was unlikely that
Speaker 1: she could have children. Yeah, but he wasn't planned either,
Speaker 1: so it was a real that kind of scary moment
Speaker 1: where she's like, oh my goodness this. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: so happy that I'm having him, but I'm also so
Speaker 1: scared because I haven't planned this. And I remember thinking, oh,
Speaker 1: my goodness, what's he going to feel like when he
Speaker 1: sees this. But I think the bigger part of it
Speaker 1: was the fact that a lot of these videos, you know,
Speaker 1: his name was teased. There are a lot of eyebrows
Speaker 1: raised about the fact that it was kind of teased
Speaker 1: to get views and clicks and money. Well, how do
Speaker 1: you feel about that, because I kind of think, Wow,
Speaker 1: if I gone through childbirth and I put that video
Speaker 1: up and it's going to make me eight grand well, bloody,
Speaker 1: how I deserve it after giving birth to a child. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a hard one because Sarah's Day and other YouTubers
Speaker 1: like her, they document their whole life and people there's
Speaker 1: actually a demand for people to see it. It is
Speaker 1: hard though, because it comes down to consent and there's
Speaker 1: ethical reasons, like you know, Fox, he might think it's
Speaker 1: great at the moment, but what happens when he's fifteen
Speaker 1: and people are pulling up, Oh, hey, this is you
Speaker 1: being born, or this is your first birthday, or remember
Speaker 1: when you did this? And that was embarrassing. And there
Speaker 1: was actually a kid in the US whose mum was
Speaker 1: an instant mum and she would not stop sharing photos
Speaker 1: of this kid. This kid said, look much, I don't
Speaker 1: want to be in the photos. Can you stop taking them?
Speaker 1: And it got to the point where he actually had
Speaker 1: to buy a hoodie that said don't take my photo
Speaker 1: on there, because she can hardly upload a photo like
Speaker 1: that that shows that he's not consenting to it. How
Speaker 1: old was he? I think he was eight or ten?
Speaker 1: And this is what This is what makes me think
Speaker 1: that in the future social media won't be around because
Speaker 1: there's so many kids. That's a very big state because
Speaker 1: they're so let me explain why. Because there are so
Speaker 1: many kids growing up with it, and it's kind of
Speaker 1: it'd be nerdy for your parents to do it, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like whenever there's something your parents do,
Speaker 1: you don't want to turn into that person. Well, it's
Speaker 1: funny how things evolve, though, because I remember it was
Speaker 1: very taboo to actually put pictures of babies on the
Speaker 1: internet for I mean obviously sinister reasons, and now it's
Speaker 1: something that everyone's posts pictures of their baby. I mean,
Speaker 1: I find it a bit too far when people post
Speaker 1: the ultrasound shot. I always think that's a bit yung,
Speaker 1: do you know what though, So back to your point
Speaker 1: about people leaving social media, I don't know if they'll
Speaker 1: leave it completely, but I feel like everyone's going to
Speaker 1: become super private because it's going to become a bit
Speaker 1: sort of unclassy to put lots of information out about yourself.
Speaker 1: And you see it with celebrities. As soon as they
Speaker 1: find this level of fame, suddenly they become ultra private
Speaker 1: about their lives, and we're kind of seeing that with
Speaker 1: some of the big Australian YouTubers, like people like Shany
Speaker 1: Grimman and Michael Finch. They are sharing less and less
Speaker 1: about their lives and they're sort of when they post videos,
Speaker 1: it's back to what they originally posted, all about makeup.
Speaker 1: So we're seeing this sort of change in the way
Speaker 1: people are sharing information about themselves. And on the topic
Speaker 1: of the children that are unwittingly involved in these Instagram accounts,
Speaker 1: a psychologists compared it to child stars and they said
Speaker 1: that these kids kind of find it really hard readjusting
Speaker 1: to normal life because they're used to getting their photo
Speaker 1: taken and I suppose thinking about that, coupled with the
Speaker 1: likes and comments that they also then receive, it could
Speaker 1: be very damaging. Well, what do you think of the
Speaker 1: parents who push their kids into doing those u you
Speaker 1: know the toy testers. I know Roxy just Senko has
Speaker 1: been doing that, and I've got two schools of thought
Speaker 1: on it. I think it's kind of clever in a
Speaker 1: way because they are setting their kids up to make
Speaker 1: a lot of money in the future. But then I
Speaker 1: see the other side where you're also setting your kids
Speaker 1: up to receive bullying messages or ridicules. Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1: I think that if a child shows genuine interest in
Speaker 1: wanting to make a channel and being creative, then I
Speaker 1: think that's fine. But if you're the one fueling the
Speaker 1: motivations of that child, I think that's a very different story.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I don't have children, but
Speaker 1: I would find it really hard allowing them at you know,
Speaker 1: six or seven years old, to be putting themselves in
Speaker 1: the public sphere open to ridicule and comments. I just
Speaker 1: think maybe once they're eighteen they can go and do
Speaker 1: what they want or sixteen, But I just feel like
Speaker 1: they're too young to be an influencer. Then you've gotta
Speaker 1: start so young, I know, but I just think there's
Speaker 1: more to life than being an influencer. I feel like
Speaker 1: it's But that's the weird thing because back in the day,
Speaker 1: everyone wanted to be singers, actors, and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you can keep dreaming, but these kids can actually start
Speaker 1: doing it now. But do we think in the future
Speaker 1: that there will be massive brand deals like there are
Speaker 1: on offer? I mean, you know, with YouTube, they've already
Speaker 1: made it more difficult for kids to reach that level
Speaker 1: of fame, and you know, the monetization has changed, there's
Speaker 1: changing platforms, so kids are going to make your big
Speaker 1: TikTok or wherever it is, there's always going to be
Speaker 1: money there. Just on the topic of kids doing really
Speaker 1: well online. A YouTuber that we follow is Anastasia kings
Speaker 1: North and she's huge and she's from England. We've spoken
Speaker 1: about her a few times. She actually became She started
Speaker 1: her channel when she was only eleven, so she's grown
Speaker 1: it over eight years, which is pretty crazy. Eleven. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thank god. Well, the thing is she's got a little
Speaker 1: brother who's about five, and his name is Atticus and
Speaker 1: he is he appears in a lot of her videos
Speaker 1: and he's kind of got cult status in the UK.
Speaker 1: People will spot him when he's out shopping and him
Speaker 1: and stuff. Yeah, and he recently launched an Instagram account
Speaker 1: and I think he got like one hundred thousand follows
Speaker 1: in the first day. And there was something of felt
Speaker 1: really I felt really weird and uncomfortable about it, Like
Speaker 1: I didn't go and follow him. I sort of draw
Speaker 1: a line. It's a bit creepy. Well, just going back
Speaker 1: for a second to the birth vlogs. It's really interesting
Speaker 1: to analyze because as young women, it's the first time
Speaker 1: I've ever seen the whole process of childbirth and the
Speaker 1: lead up and how hideous it looks to be pregnant.
Speaker 1: And I wanted to myself, is this going to stop
Speaker 1: women from actually wanting to have kids? What's funny because
Speaker 1: when you're at school, I remember they used to put
Speaker 1: that video on and I think it showed a birth
Speaker 1: and it was very graphic. This is more showing the
Speaker 1: process of labor. I mean, I know the one I
Speaker 1: watched with Sarah's Day, and I've watched Sky Wheatley's blog
Speaker 1: on birth, and yeah, it did make me think, wow,
Speaker 1: that looked even seeing the whole newborn stage and just
Speaker 1: how hellish it must be. I feel like, yeah, it
Speaker 1: really shows the reality of what it is to be
Speaker 1: a young mum, and it might be one that does
Speaker 1: put people off. Well, it was kind of It's kind
Speaker 1: of been this unspoken thing, isn't it. You know, you
Speaker 1: often you'll hear stories from different mums, but now it's
Speaker 1: so readily available online what it's actually like living with
Speaker 1: a newborn that I, as you said, I didn't know
Speaker 1: half that stuff. I didn't know that they woke up
Speaker 1: every three hours or whatever. The other good thing about
Speaker 1: it is the fact that a lot of women can
Speaker 1: then relate to it, Like I feel like if I
Speaker 1: was going through that stage, it'd make me feel better
Speaker 1: that I had someone to connect to. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: there is a positive side to it when we're talking
Speaker 1: about the influencers that are sharing their real sort of mums,
Speaker 1: not these curated feeds. I think it's really good for
Speaker 1: people suffering from postnatal depression knowing that other people are
Speaker 1: struggling through it. And I also think it's a wake
Speaker 1: up call for maybe young people that want to have
Speaker 1: kids and then they watch it and they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: so that's really what it's like. I agree with you, Kate,
Speaker 1: because you look at Sky Wheatley, who shared some details
Speaker 1: about how she was struggling with parenthood, and then you
Speaker 1: look at her feed and it's this perfectly curated feed
Speaker 1: where Forest looks perfectly dressed and she's you know, back
Speaker 1: to a size six, and it didn't show any of
Speaker 1: the struggle on that feed. What can you put up
Speaker 1: that is this struggle? Maybe the kid covered in crap
Speaker 1: and food, maybe, but I don't know if it's gonna
Speaker 1: do it. I think the whole setting up photos of
Speaker 1: kids is a bit weird, you know, having an actual
Speaker 1: photo shoot with wearing clothes. I saw this so sorry,
Speaker 1: we're getting flashback us like setting up shoots with soaps. Dog.
Speaker 1: She's different. It reminds me of an acquaintance that I
Speaker 1: used to work with and she's recently had a child,
Speaker 1: and the first photo I saw of her with the
Speaker 1: child was this perfectly themed photo shoot with hair and makeup,
Speaker 1: and I just thought that her or the baby for
Speaker 1: her and the child. I suppose the baby had makeup
Speaker 1: on well I don't know, but she had a hell
Speaker 1: of a lot of hair and makeup done, and I
Speaker 1: just thought this is so unrealistic, like it just all
Speaker 1: seemed very staged. Well, that's the whole thing on Instagram.
Speaker 1: It is all stage, and people begin to think that
Speaker 1: that's real and that they're failing as a mother because
Speaker 1: they don't have the perfect oats for breakfast and all
Speaker 1: the weird stuff that kids would never ever eat. Do
Speaker 1: you know what, I've noticed a lot of their instamums.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's just because I'm getting older,
Speaker 1: but they seem to be younger and young. I was
Speaker 1: talking about Chloe Zepp before, and I was shocked to
Speaker 1: learn that she's only twenty one. And it made me think,
Speaker 1: is it because she's grown up so young on social
Speaker 1: media that she's kind of done everything that now she's like, oh, Okay,
Speaker 1: well I'll have a kid. And I'm not inferring that
Speaker 1: she's having a child to profit off them on Instagram,
Speaker 1: not saying I think that it's different. I think she's
Speaker 1: got financial security so she can focus on having kids. Well.
Speaker 1: Also on Chloe Zepp, she's made the decision not to
Speaker 1: actually vlog her birth. I think she's still going to
Speaker 1: have cameras in there, but she's not actually going to
Speaker 1: talk to the camera while this is all going on.
Speaker 1: And it's strange because we're talking about parents profiteering off
Speaker 1: their children and the debate of whether you should film
Speaker 1: your child, will you're giving birth your child, et cetera.
Speaker 1: But I actually feel a bit robbed as a viewer
Speaker 1: of Chloezep's channel that I won't get to see that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but they don't really share that much anyway. They're not
Speaker 1: really vlogging every week like when Sarah's day did it
Speaker 1: she was vlogging three times a week, so you felt
Speaker 1: like you were on that journey. I'm not surprised they've
Speaker 1: released a lot of stuff about the baby, but it's
Speaker 1: the whole psychology of you feel like you deserve to
Speaker 1: know as a follower because you've seen everything else. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's funny because I remember when Sarah's day was close
Speaker 1: to giving birth and people every time she wasn't sharing
Speaker 1: on her Instagram stories, they just assumed that she'd gone
Speaker 1: into labor and she had to be like, no, I'm fine,
Speaker 1: I just am tired. I haven't shared anything for a while. Well,
Speaker 1: we'll have to wait with anticipations. I think Chloe's about
Speaker 1: to pop, So that's going to be the new instamum
Speaker 1: to follow. I reckon. Let's get into the reality TV
Speaker 1: rap of the week. So it seems like things are
Speaker 1: starting to change amy because I have been so bored
Speaker 1: with the reality TV on off it. Yes, I am
Speaker 1: watching Big Brother and I am watching Master Chef, but
Speaker 1: there is a hole in my heart for some Bachelor
Speaker 1: spinoff and we are finally getting it. Yeah. So the
Speaker 1: fifteenth of July, Bachelor in Paradise is set to drop,
Speaker 1: and I'm really excited to see how Kieran is going
Speaker 1: to be portrayed in this series, because he's already warning
Speaker 1: fans that he's going to come across as a bit
Speaker 1: of a dick. To be honest. Yeah, well we saw
Speaker 1: that Abby Chatfield was really interested in Kieran and it
Speaker 1: seems like things were mutual. But then he was seeing kissing.
Speaker 1: I think it's Tanil that's been on Bachelor and Paradise before.
Speaker 1: I think it was her. It was a girl with long,
Speaker 1: dark hair. And then there's some explosive blow up at
Speaker 1: a dinner party, sort of math style. So I can't
Speaker 1: wait because obviously he had such a good rap on
Speaker 1: Angie's series, but he seems like he could be a
Speaker 1: bit of a bad boy. Well, let's be honest, The
Speaker 1: Bachelor producers can sort of twist anything, can't they They
Speaker 1: could make they could have made Kieran look bad in
Speaker 1: Angie series. And it's funny the ones who were often
Speaker 1: portrayed badly in the Bachelor or Bachelorette and then they
Speaker 1: come into Paradise and everyone loves them. Yeah, I'm wondering
Speaker 1: if there's a deal done with the producers. So, for example,
Speaker 1: Abby Chatfield was relentlessly trolled unfairly, and it will be
Speaker 1: interesting to see her edit because she has a massed
Speaker 1: a huge following since being on The Bachelor. Well, she
Speaker 1: criticized her portrayal, didn't she, which was fairly so, because
Speaker 1: every time she was on, they played this sort of
Speaker 1: like sex boon music or as if she's some kind
Speaker 1: of like backstabbing snake in just ridiculous. It was just
Speaker 1: so horrible. So I'm really excited and hoping that she
Speaker 1: will get a good edit because she really deserves one,
Speaker 1: and I think this format of the show will suit
Speaker 1: her a lot more because it is about fun and dating.
Speaker 1: It's not so strict like The Bachelor. Well, the other
Speaker 1: thing that's really exciting is there's been ads for the
Speaker 1: actual series of the Bachelor locky series. I almost fell
Speaker 1: off the couch when I saw this pop up, because
Speaker 1: the last we had heard was that the recent Bachelor
Speaker 1: series had gone into a hiatus because of coronavirus. So
Speaker 1: it was kind of like, question marks, is it going
Speaker 1: to be continued? What's happening with the contestants? So they
Speaker 1: must have actually been filming in secret. Yeah, I'm surprised
Speaker 1: because I would have thought the Bachelor franchise would be
Speaker 1: sort of on the front foot telling people they'd begun filming.
Speaker 1: But I'm assuming, as you said, they've just done it secretly.
Speaker 1: And if you're looking at the TV rundown, you're assuming
Speaker 1: that it's going to be on after Bachelor in Paradise.
Speaker 1: Oh I bloody hope. So one other ad that did
Speaker 1: excite me when Channel ten was rolling out their promos
Speaker 1: for what's coming up this year is the Bachelorette was
Speaker 1: also mentioned, So at the moment, we don't know who's
Speaker 1: going to be in the Bachelorette. The Daily Mail did
Speaker 1: tease that maybe Tessa from Master Chef who got kicked
Speaker 1: out on Sunday Night, could be on it, but unfortunately
Speaker 1: she's got a boyfriend. Oh. I mean, that was just
Speaker 1: so stupid. Everyone knows she's got a boyfriend that's watched
Speaker 1: the show. Well. I read an article on Daily Mail,
Speaker 1: so again I'm not sure how true it is, but
Speaker 1: it was another article saying that Harry from Too Hot
Speaker 1: to Handle has been approached to be the Bachelor after Lockey.
Speaker 1: I don't mean to be mean, but is it just
Speaker 1: me or is anyone so sick of this guy? I
Speaker 1: just can see straight through him. I feel like his
Speaker 1: whole romance with Francesca was put on. In fact, it's
Speaker 1: been rumored that he dated Madison, one of the intruders
Speaker 1: on Too Hot to Handle, once he split from Francesca
Speaker 1: originally after the show ended. So I mean, how what
Speaker 1: a showmance is that? To get back with Francesca when
Speaker 1: the series finally airs on Netflix. So if that's anything
Speaker 1: to go by, we'll probably see him being the next Bachelor. Well,
Speaker 1: he's only twenty three. Can't they get someone good? I
Speaker 1: really want them to, you know, widen the net and
Speaker 1: maybe get some guys that aren't well known. I mean,
Speaker 1: I have no interest in watching. I mean, I know
Speaker 1: I'm excited to watch it, but Locky from Survivor doesn't
Speaker 1: excite me. No, neither. Let's get into our favorite topic,
Speaker 1: awkward turtle. Now, this one involves you and I, Amy,
Speaker 1: and it was a rather awkward meeting we had this
Speaker 1: week with a new potential client. Yeah. So, for those
Speaker 1: who don't know, Sophie and I run a digital agency
Speaker 1: called Hula Media and we do get random requests on
Speaker 1: LinkedIn for meetings and this guy seemed pretty legit when
Speaker 1: he contacted us now he claimed to be the owner
Speaker 1: of a certain business here in Adelaide, but alarm bells
Speaker 1: were going off the second we met up with him. Well, well,
Speaker 1: the odd thing was, as soon as we'd sat down
Speaker 1: at this cafe, he started talking about his previous business
Speaker 1: and he claimed that he'd sold it for twenty million dollars.
Speaker 1: And normally, when you're about to discuss a business deal
Speaker 1: with somebody, you don't really go on about your wealth.
Speaker 1: Because we hadn't discussed figures for work or anything. So
Speaker 1: that was sort of the first alarm bell. The next
Speaker 1: alarm bell was the fact he told us that he
Speaker 1: collects gold bars from the local what is it cash
Speaker 1: and Karen, what is that store called convert? Cash convert?
Speaker 1: So I don't know if it was cash converters, but
Speaker 1: he basically anyway, he claims that he buys bars of
Speaker 1: gold and sells them and had made eight hundred thousand
Speaker 1: dollars of The third alarm bell was the fact that
Speaker 1: he said he'd collected two cars the day before, which
Speaker 1: one was a Jeep, one was some other flash car,
Speaker 1: and that he has a whole warehouse of cars, including
Speaker 1: a James Bond style car. Do you know what the
Speaker 1: weirdest thing was. I'm not trying to be mean, but
Speaker 1: most people who sort of brag about their wealth, they'll
Speaker 1: show up looking the part, like in a fancy suit.
Speaker 1: This guy came in a polo top and he had
Speaker 1: a really crummy small office. So we were just a
Speaker 1: bit like, you know, was the most awkward thing about
Speaker 1: this story was having to sit there and pretend like
Speaker 1: we actually believe that this man was telling the truth.
Speaker 1: I mean, probably the souter point of the meeting was
Speaker 1: when he talked about how he's got a three story
Speaker 1: boat and apparently women took nude photos recently on the boat.
Speaker 1: I mean, a little bit strange conversation to bring up
Speaker 1: with two females meeting. But so, as you guys can
Speaker 1: probably sense, alarm bells were ringing. So we went home.
Speaker 1: We googled this guy. It popped up his mug shot
Speaker 1: from America and apparently he's been arrested for battery and
Speaker 1: is facing fraud charges of the US. So it's safe
Speaker 1: to say we didn't get back into contact with this well.
Speaker 1: I don't know though, like how the fuck did he
Speaker 1: escape from America? I mean, he you know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: We're currently looking into it at the moment. Well, the
Speaker 1: worst thing is, this isn't even the first time I've
Speaker 1: met up with a scam RTIs the previous business I
Speaker 1: worked at where there was a scam RTIs who met
Speaker 1: up with us in Sydney and he was apparently a
Speaker 1: real estate agent. And the most clever thing actually was
Speaker 1: that he had developed a number of fake names, and
Speaker 1: his fake name I can't I can't actually remember what
Speaker 1: it was, but we don't say this, well no, I
Speaker 1: won't say exactly what it is, but he made up
Speaker 1: the name of one of the one of them things
Speaker 1: us on five seconds of Summer and that's really clever
Speaker 1: because then if anyone tries to search for information about
Speaker 1: the wrongdoings you've done, they can't find you. I think
Speaker 1: the moral of this story, though, is if something seems dodgy,
Speaker 1: it most likely is, and you should always look into it.
Speaker 1: But that was the most awkward meaning I've ever been
Speaker 1: involved in. Thank you so much for listening to today's show,
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