1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Today's episode is brought to you by Olaplex. This is Outspoken, 2 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: the podcast it's not afraid to say exactly what you're thinking. 3 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:12,240 Speaker 1: Our names are Amy, Kate and Sophie Torba. We're identical triplets, 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: but we often don't have identical opinions, so sometimes things 5 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 1: can get heated. Outspoken covers all things reality TV, influencers, 6 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 1: entertainment and issues facing women. That is so fat Thank you. 7 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of Outspoken. Thanks so much 8 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: for joining us. As usual, you're joined by Kate and Sophie, 9 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: and we've got little Archie here in the studio, which 10 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: is of course Sophie's dog. And so if you have 11 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: a pretty embarrassing confession about something you've recently purchased for Archie, 12 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 1: I do. I'm going to look like an absolute psycho. 13 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 1: I've bought him a dog stroller. And this is because 14 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 1: he cannot stand to be away from me for longer 15 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: than really a couple of minutes. I can't be out 16 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: of his sight. He's obsessed with me at the moment. 17 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 1: So this is basically like a baby stroller, but mini 18 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: one for dogs. It is so cute. They've got this 19 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: little area that where you can zip them in. So 20 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like people are going to be 21 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 1: looking at me assuming this is a baby, and then 22 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: getting a surprise when they see a beautiful dog. I 23 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: am not going for a walk with you. If you're 24 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: pushing that, that is so embarrassing. I think it's kind 25 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 1: of cool because of course Archie's not allowed to go 26 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: on walks yet because he hasn't had all this vaccination, 27 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 1: so it's a great way that he can come on. 28 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 1: So for my little lunchtime walks. Aren't you just teaching 29 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: him that he's never going to be left alone. I 30 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 1: feel like this is going to backfire on you eventually. 31 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: It's more for my neighbors who can't stand his bloody 32 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: howling the whole time. The funniest thing about getting Archie, though, 33 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:37,960 Speaker 1: is that I've now somehow teamed up with two other girls. 34 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:40,960 Speaker 1: Will connect with two girls who also have the puppies 35 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 1: from the same litter, and they have been messaging me 36 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: saying they have had the weeks from hell. It's like 37 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: a mom's group online. It's like it just reminds me 38 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: of what I'll be like as a mum, just bitching 39 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: about my child. Like yeah, they didn't go to sleep, 40 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: and they they're around me all the time. My favorite 41 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: story this week from you about Archie was the fact 42 00:01:57,560 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: that you've had him in this little run that's basically 43 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: a big cage for him to sleep in, and he 44 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: managed to climb out of it. Now, Amy, it's not 45 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: a cage, it's a great sorry, a crag we hate 46 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: has a rather nasty kind of dat. Anyway, he climbed 47 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:14,799 Speaker 1: out of his sleeping enclosure, climbed up the stairs, which 48 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: you didn't even know he could do, and scratched on 49 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: your door to come in. Well, it's pretty crazy. I 50 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: managed to slide open the sliding door as well. So 51 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: he's a very very talented dog, very intelligent dog. Well, 52 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 1: we were having people vote whether he should have been 53 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 1: called Manukah or whether he should have been called Archie. 54 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: I think he should have been killed Houdini. That's so late, Ken, 55 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: would you start taking pictures of yourself? Your sister's going 56 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: to jail. Now, let's get into our first topic, which 57 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:41,679 Speaker 1: is the evolution of the instamum. Now, I've got to say, 58 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 1: these types of accounts have been popping up in my 59 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: feed recently, and I think it's because I'm in my 60 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 1: thirties now, and I've got to say I love following 61 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: these accounts because I feel like a fly on the 62 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 1: wall looking into what potentially could be my life in 63 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: five years time. What a very scary thought. Well, I 64 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:00,359 Speaker 1: don't know, you know what I mean, in the next 65 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: coming years. There always seems to be that stereotypical instamum. 66 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: She's always young, blonde, everything's organized, she's got one of 67 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 1: those pantries that's got labels over everything. Yeah, and the 68 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: kids are always pretentious names and immaculately dressed. Yeah. When 69 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: you say pretentious, they've always got a unique name, don't they. Yeah, 70 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: so unique name that you've never heard of and is 71 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: very marketable. I suppose that is interesting you say that, 72 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: because then I think quite a number of women have 73 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: made a niche or a market for themselves by showing 74 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 1: what it's really like to be a mum, like that 75 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:32,639 Speaker 1: really raw side. Yeah. Well, I feel like there's two 76 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: kinds of Instagram accounts. You're either the mother that pretends 77 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: that the child's never vomited or never poos and it's 78 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: everything's all rosy and perfectly curated, or there is the 79 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 1: mum that sort of opens up about what life is 80 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: really like as a mum. Yeah. Well, I feel like 81 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 1: with the introduction of Instagram Stories, a lot of the 82 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: mums sort of share a bit more details on the story, 83 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 1: but the feed often remains pretty much curated. Yeah, that's true. 84 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: I was gonna say the reason I thought this topic 85 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: would be good to talk about is because I was 86 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: watching last night Chloe Zepp, who's a massive influencer. She's 87 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: pregnant with Mitchell Orvil, who's another huge influencer his baby, 88 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: and they did a house tour and they were showing 89 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: off the nursery and it was literally like brand deal here, 90 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: brand deal here, we got this for free, this, this 91 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:18,599 Speaker 1: and this, and it just made me think of the 92 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:22,160 Speaker 1: money that is involved in being a mummy blogger. Well, 93 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:24,840 Speaker 1: they are really turning a baby into a commodity at 94 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: the moment, aren't they. As you said, there's so many 95 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: brand deals to be made, and it's kind of that 96 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: next evolution for a lot of influences. Yeah, exactly right. 97 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:34,160 Speaker 1: So I suppose there's two camps. There's the people that 98 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 1: already have the following that they're documenting their life, so 99 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: it's a natural progression into being an instamum, or there 100 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: are those people that just take off because they're sharing 101 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 1: all their mum hacks and somehow they just make it 102 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 1: big and get a massive following. Well that's a bit 103 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: like what happened to Tammy Hembro, who, of course we 104 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: were talking about last week. Tammy actually got famous after 105 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: she gave birth to her son. I feel like hers 106 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:56,839 Speaker 1: is more about being a hot mum, though, because I 107 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: feel like the most recent well, the accounts that I 108 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: follow a lot usually very much organizational base. So there's 109 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: Steph Pace and she has her own planners and her 110 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: pantry is just amazing. She has a YouTube channel where 111 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 1: she shares all of her organizational tips and I just 112 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: hang on every one of her stories. I just find 113 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: it so fascinating. But don't you think it makes other 114 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 1: mums feel like shit? Because I wonder if there's this 115 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 1: side of it where I know we've spoken before in 116 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 1: the past about hate following, and I'm sure there would 117 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: be a lot of mums who are hate following the instamums. 118 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: Oh definitely. There was a study in Canada and it 119 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:33,239 Speaker 1: found that social media makes mums feel insecure about their parenting. 120 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 1: So it's sort of there's so many different areas that 121 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 1: they feel insecure, So they feel like their meals aren't 122 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: as healthy and yummy, their postpart and body isn't as good, 123 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: maybe their husband doesn't adore them as much as the 124 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 1: other husbands. There's so many different parts that they compare 125 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 1: themselves to. And I suppose this is really damaging when 126 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 1: you reflect that a lot of people do suffer from 127 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 1: post natal depressions, so it would be really hard sitting 128 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 1: there struggling. And then you're going onto Instagram and there's 129 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: all these people with their beautiful lives and their perfect 130 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: pantries and everything's clean, and their kids are gorgeous and 131 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:08,599 Speaker 1: behaving and sleeping through the night, when in fact, insta 132 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: mums are very performative. It's not really what's happening. It's 133 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: really that sense of comparison, isn't it. I mean, it's 134 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: the first time in history that we've been able to 135 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 1: kind of be a fly on the wall of what 136 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: mums are doing. So, I mean, you know, back in 137 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:23,720 Speaker 1: the day, when you just have your photo album to 138 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 1: flick through, you couldn't compare whether your child's birthday party 139 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: was better than the next. I suppose it also opens 140 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:30,919 Speaker 1: up to a lot of judgment on what mums on 141 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 1: Instagram are doing too. Definitely. The thing is with a 142 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: lot of the YouTubers or instagrammers who were popular before 143 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:41,600 Speaker 1: having their baby, you'll find that they document every single stage. 144 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: So using Sarah's day as an example, she announced that 145 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 1: she was having a baby and that it was a 146 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:49,719 Speaker 1: complete surprise, and I remember seeing a scene that she 147 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:52,159 Speaker 1: put up and she was crying. Well, she had just 148 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 1: found out she was pregnant and it was a real 149 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:56,919 Speaker 1: shock because she's had pcos, so it was unlikely that 150 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: she could have children. Yeah, but he wasn't planned either, 151 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,039 Speaker 1: so it was a real that kind of scary moment 152 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: where she's like, oh my goodness this. You know, I'm 153 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 1: so happy that I'm having him, but I'm also so 154 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: scared because I haven't planned this. And I remember thinking, oh, 155 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: my goodness, what's he going to feel like when he 156 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: sees this. But I think the bigger part of it 157 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: was the fact that a lot of these videos, you know, 158 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: his name was teased. There are a lot of eyebrows 159 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: raised about the fact that it was kind of teased 160 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: to get views and clicks and money. Well, how do 161 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: you feel about that, because I kind of think, Wow, 162 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: if I gone through childbirth and I put that video 163 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: up and it's going to make me eight grand well, bloody, 164 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: how I deserve it after giving birth to a child. Yeah, 165 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: it's a hard one because Sarah's Day and other YouTubers 166 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: like her, they document their whole life and people there's 167 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: actually a demand for people to see it. It is 168 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: hard though, because it comes down to consent and there's 169 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: ethical reasons, like you know, Fox, he might think it's 170 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: great at the moment, but what happens when he's fifteen 171 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: and people are pulling up, Oh, hey, this is you 172 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: being born, or this is your first birthday, or remember 173 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 1: when you did this? And that was embarrassing. And there 174 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: was actually a kid in the US whose mum was 175 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: an instant mum and she would not stop sharing photos 176 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: of this kid. This kid said, look much, I don't 177 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: want to be in the photos. Can you stop taking them? 178 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 1: And it got to the point where he actually had 179 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 1: to buy a hoodie that said don't take my photo 180 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 1: on there, because she can hardly upload a photo like 181 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: that that shows that he's not consenting to it. How 182 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: old was he? I think he was eight or ten? 183 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: And this is what This is what makes me think 184 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 1: that in the future social media won't be around because 185 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: there's so many kids. That's a very big state because 186 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 1: they're so let me explain why. Because there are so 187 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 1: many kids growing up with it, and it's kind of 188 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: it'd be nerdy for your parents to do it, you 189 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like whenever there's something your parents do, 190 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:39,199 Speaker 1: you don't want to turn into that person. Well, it's 191 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: funny how things evolve, though, because I remember it was 192 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 1: very taboo to actually put pictures of babies on the 193 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 1: internet for I mean obviously sinister reasons, and now it's 194 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: something that everyone's posts pictures of their baby. I mean, 195 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: I find it a bit too far when people post 196 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 1: the ultrasound shot. I always think that's a bit yung, 197 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 1: do you know what though, So back to your point 198 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 1: about people leaving social media, I don't know if they'll 199 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: leave it completely, but I feel like everyone's going to 200 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 1: become super private because it's going to become a bit 201 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 1: sort of unclassy to put lots of information out about yourself. 202 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: And you see it with celebrities. As soon as they 203 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 1: find this level of fame, suddenly they become ultra private 204 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: about their lives, and we're kind of seeing that with 205 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 1: some of the big Australian YouTubers, like people like Shany 206 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: Grimman and Michael Finch. They are sharing less and less 207 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 1: about their lives and they're sort of when they post videos, 208 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 1: it's back to what they originally posted, all about makeup. 209 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: So we're seeing this sort of change in the way 210 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: people are sharing information about themselves. And on the topic 211 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: of the children that are unwittingly involved in these Instagram accounts, 212 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: a psychologists compared it to child stars and they said 213 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: that these kids kind of find it really hard readjusting 214 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 1: to normal life because they're used to getting their photo 215 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 1: taken and I suppose thinking about that, coupled with the 216 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 1: likes and comments that they also then receive, it could 217 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 1: be very damaging. Well, what do you think of the 218 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 1: parents who push their kids into doing those u you 219 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 1: know the toy testers. I know Roxy just Senko has 220 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 1: been doing that, and I've got two schools of thought 221 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: on it. I think it's kind of clever in a 222 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 1: way because they are setting their kids up to make 223 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 1: a lot of money in the future. But then I 224 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: see the other side where you're also setting your kids 225 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:19,959 Speaker 1: up to receive bullying messages or ridicules. Yeah, I agree. 226 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: I think that if a child shows genuine interest in 227 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: wanting to make a channel and being creative, then I 228 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: think that's fine. But if you're the one fueling the 229 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:31,439 Speaker 1: motivations of that child, I think that's a very different story. 230 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I don't have children, but 231 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: I would find it really hard allowing them at you know, 232 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: six or seven years old, to be putting themselves in 233 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: the public sphere open to ridicule and comments. I just 234 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: think maybe once they're eighteen they can go and do 235 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 1: what they want or sixteen, But I just feel like 236 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: they're too young to be an influencer. Then you've gotta 237 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 1: start so young, I know, but I just think there's 238 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 1: more to life than being an influencer. I feel like 239 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 1: it's But that's the weird thing because back in the day, 240 00:10:57,559 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: everyone wanted to be singers, actors, and it's like, yeah, 241 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 1: you can keep dreaming, but these kids can actually start 242 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:04,439 Speaker 1: doing it now. But do we think in the future 243 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: that there will be massive brand deals like there are 244 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: on offer? I mean, you know, with YouTube, they've already 245 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: made it more difficult for kids to reach that level 246 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 1: of fame, and you know, the monetization has changed, there's 247 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: changing platforms, so kids are going to make your big 248 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 1: TikTok or wherever it is, there's always going to be 249 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 1: money there. Just on the topic of kids doing really 250 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:27,439 Speaker 1: well online. A YouTuber that we follow is Anastasia kings 251 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:29,959 Speaker 1: North and she's huge and she's from England. We've spoken 252 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: about her a few times. She actually became She started 253 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:34,839 Speaker 1: her channel when she was only eleven, so she's grown 254 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 1: it over eight years, which is pretty crazy. Eleven. Yeah, 255 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: thank god. Well, the thing is she's got a little 256 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 1: brother who's about five, and his name is Atticus and 257 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: he is he appears in a lot of her videos 258 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 1: and he's kind of got cult status in the UK. 259 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: People will spot him when he's out shopping and him 260 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: and stuff. Yeah, and he recently launched an Instagram account 261 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: and I think he got like one hundred thousand follows 262 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: in the first day. And there was something of felt 263 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: really I felt really weird and uncomfortable about it, Like 264 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 1: I didn't go and follow him. I sort of draw 265 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:07,959 Speaker 1: a line. It's a bit creepy. Well, just going back 266 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:10,839 Speaker 1: for a second to the birth vlogs. It's really interesting 267 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 1: to analyze because as young women, it's the first time 268 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: I've ever seen the whole process of childbirth and the 269 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 1: lead up and how hideous it looks to be pregnant. 270 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: And I wanted to myself, is this going to stop 271 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 1: women from actually wanting to have kids? What's funny because 272 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: when you're at school, I remember they used to put 273 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: that video on and I think it showed a birth 274 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 1: and it was very graphic. This is more showing the 275 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 1: process of labor. I mean, I know the one I 276 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: watched with Sarah's Day, and I've watched Sky Wheatley's blog 277 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:41,959 Speaker 1: on birth, and yeah, it did make me think, wow, 278 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 1: that looked even seeing the whole newborn stage and just 279 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: how hellish it must be. I feel like, yeah, it 280 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 1: really shows the reality of what it is to be 281 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:53,839 Speaker 1: a young mum, and it might be one that does 282 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 1: put people off. Well, it was kind of It's kind 283 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 1: of been this unspoken thing, isn't it. You know, you 284 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: often you'll hear stories from different mums, but now it's 285 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 1: so readily available online what it's actually like living with 286 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:07,560 Speaker 1: a newborn that I, as you said, I didn't know 287 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 1: half that stuff. I didn't know that they woke up 288 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 1: every three hours or whatever. The other good thing about 289 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: it is the fact that a lot of women can 290 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: then relate to it, Like I feel like if I 291 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:17,559 Speaker 1: was going through that stage, it'd make me feel better 292 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:19,679 Speaker 1: that I had someone to connect to. Yeah, I think 293 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: there is a positive side to it when we're talking 294 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 1: about the influencers that are sharing their real sort of mums, 295 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 1: not these curated feeds. I think it's really good for 296 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 1: people suffering from postnatal depression knowing that other people are 297 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 1: struggling through it. And I also think it's a wake 298 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 1: up call for maybe young people that want to have 299 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: kids and then they watch it and they're like, oh, 300 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: so that's really what it's like. I agree with you, Kate, 301 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 1: because you look at Sky Wheatley, who shared some details 302 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: about how she was struggling with parenthood, and then you 303 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: look at her feed and it's this perfectly curated feed 304 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 1: where Forest looks perfectly dressed and she's you know, back 305 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:56,439 Speaker 1: to a size six, and it didn't show any of 306 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 1: the struggle on that feed. What can you put up 307 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: that is this struggle? Maybe the kid covered in crap 308 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 1: and food, maybe, but I don't know if it's gonna 309 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: do it. I think the whole setting up photos of 310 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:08,680 Speaker 1: kids is a bit weird, you know, having an actual 311 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 1: photo shoot with wearing clothes. I saw this so sorry, 312 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:15,439 Speaker 1: we're getting flashback us like setting up shoots with soaps. Dog. 313 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 1: She's different. It reminds me of an acquaintance that I 314 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: used to work with and she's recently had a child, 315 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: and the first photo I saw of her with the 316 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: child was this perfectly themed photo shoot with hair and makeup, 317 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 1: and I just thought that her or the baby for 318 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: her and the child. I suppose the baby had makeup 319 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: on well I don't know, but she had a hell 320 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 1: of a lot of hair and makeup done, and I 321 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: just thought this is so unrealistic, like it just all 322 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 1: seemed very staged. Well, that's the whole thing on Instagram. 323 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: It is all stage, and people begin to think that 324 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 1: that's real and that they're failing as a mother because 325 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 1: they don't have the perfect oats for breakfast and all 326 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: the weird stuff that kids would never ever eat. Do 327 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 1: you know what, I've noticed a lot of their instamums. 328 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's just because I'm getting older, 329 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: but they seem to be younger and young. I was 330 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 1: talking about Chloe Zepp before, and I was shocked to 331 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: learn that she's only twenty one. And it made me think, 332 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 1: is it because she's grown up so young on social 333 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: media that she's kind of done everything that now she's like, oh, Okay, 334 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 1: well I'll have a kid. And I'm not inferring that 335 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: she's having a child to profit off them on Instagram, 336 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: not saying I think that it's different. I think she's 337 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 1: got financial security so she can focus on having kids. Well. 338 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: Also on Chloe Zepp, she's made the decision not to 339 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: actually vlog her birth. I think she's still going to 340 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: have cameras in there, but she's not actually going to 341 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: talk to the camera while this is all going on. 342 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 1: And it's strange because we're talking about parents profiteering off 343 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 1: their children and the debate of whether you should film 344 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 1: your child, will you're giving birth your child, et cetera. 345 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 1: But I actually feel a bit robbed as a viewer 346 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: of Chloezep's channel that I won't get to see that. Yeah, 347 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 1: but they don't really share that much anyway. They're not 348 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: really vlogging every week like when Sarah's day did it 349 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: she was vlogging three times a week, so you felt 350 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: like you were on that journey. I'm not surprised they've 351 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 1: released a lot of stuff about the baby, but it's 352 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: the whole psychology of you feel like you deserve to 353 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: know as a follower because you've seen everything else. Yeah. 354 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 1: It's funny because I remember when Sarah's day was close 355 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 1: to giving birth and people every time she wasn't sharing 356 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 1: on her Instagram stories, they just assumed that she'd gone 357 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: into labor and she had to be like, no, I'm fine, 358 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 1: I just am tired. I haven't shared anything for a while. Well, 359 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 1: we'll have to wait with anticipations. I think Chloe's about 360 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: to pop, So that's going to be the new instamum 361 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 1: to follow. I reckon. Let's get into the reality TV 362 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: rap of the week. So it seems like things are 363 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: starting to change amy because I have been so bored 364 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 1: with the reality TV on off it. Yes, I am 365 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 1: watching Big Brother and I am watching Master Chef, but 366 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: there is a hole in my heart for some Bachelor 367 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 1: spinoff and we are finally getting it. Yeah. So the 368 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 1: fifteenth of July, Bachelor in Paradise is set to drop, 369 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 1: and I'm really excited to see how Kieran is going 370 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: to be portrayed in this series, because he's already warning 371 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: fans that he's going to come across as a bit 372 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: of a dick. To be honest. Yeah, well we saw 373 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: that Abby Chatfield was really interested in Kieran and it 374 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: seems like things were mutual. But then he was seeing kissing. 375 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 1: I think it's Tanil that's been on Bachelor and Paradise before. 376 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: I think it was her. It was a girl with long, 377 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 1: dark hair. And then there's some explosive blow up at 378 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 1: a dinner party, sort of math style. So I can't 379 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:16,919 Speaker 1: wait because obviously he had such a good rap on 380 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 1: Angie's series, but he seems like he could be a 381 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: bit of a bad boy. Well, let's be honest, The 382 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:24,159 Speaker 1: Bachelor producers can sort of twist anything, can't they They 383 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 1: could make they could have made Kieran look bad in 384 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:28,640 Speaker 1: Angie series. And it's funny the ones who were often 385 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:31,920 Speaker 1: portrayed badly in the Bachelor or Bachelorette and then they 386 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 1: come into Paradise and everyone loves them. Yeah, I'm wondering 387 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: if there's a deal done with the producers. So, for example, 388 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 1: Abby Chatfield was relentlessly trolled unfairly, and it will be 389 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 1: interesting to see her edit because she has a massed 390 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 1: a huge following since being on The Bachelor. Well, she 391 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 1: criticized her portrayal, didn't she, which was fairly so, because 392 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: every time she was on, they played this sort of 393 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:56,160 Speaker 1: like sex boon music or as if she's some kind 394 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 1: of like backstabbing snake in just ridiculous. It was just 395 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 1: so horrible. So I'm really excited and hoping that she 396 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 1: will get a good edit because she really deserves one, 397 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: and I think this format of the show will suit 398 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 1: her a lot more because it is about fun and dating. 399 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:12,680 Speaker 1: It's not so strict like The Bachelor. Well, the other 400 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:14,959 Speaker 1: thing that's really exciting is there's been ads for the 401 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:18,360 Speaker 1: actual series of the Bachelor locky series. I almost fell 402 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: off the couch when I saw this pop up, because 403 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 1: the last we had heard was that the recent Bachelor 404 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: series had gone into a hiatus because of coronavirus. So 405 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 1: it was kind of like, question marks, is it going 406 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 1: to be continued? What's happening with the contestants? So they 407 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 1: must have actually been filming in secret. Yeah, I'm surprised 408 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: because I would have thought the Bachelor franchise would be 409 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: sort of on the front foot telling people they'd begun filming. 410 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 1: But I'm assuming, as you said, they've just done it secretly. 411 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:44,440 Speaker 1: And if you're looking at the TV rundown, you're assuming 412 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:46,400 Speaker 1: that it's going to be on after Bachelor in Paradise. 413 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 1: Oh I bloody hope. So one other ad that did 414 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 1: excite me when Channel ten was rolling out their promos 415 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:54,439 Speaker 1: for what's coming up this year is the Bachelorette was 416 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 1: also mentioned, So at the moment, we don't know who's 417 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: going to be in the Bachelorette. The Daily Mail did 418 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 1: tease that maybe Tessa from Master Chef who got kicked 419 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: out on Sunday Night, could be on it, but unfortunately 420 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:09,199 Speaker 1: she's got a boyfriend. Oh. I mean, that was just 421 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 1: so stupid. Everyone knows she's got a boyfriend that's watched 422 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:14,160 Speaker 1: the show. Well. I read an article on Daily Mail, 423 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 1: so again I'm not sure how true it is, but 424 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:18,360 Speaker 1: it was another article saying that Harry from Too Hot 425 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 1: to Handle has been approached to be the Bachelor after Lockey. 426 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 1: I don't mean to be mean, but is it just 427 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 1: me or is anyone so sick of this guy? I 428 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 1: just can see straight through him. I feel like his 429 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 1: whole romance with Francesca was put on. In fact, it's 430 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: been rumored that he dated Madison, one of the intruders 431 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:38,199 Speaker 1: on Too Hot to Handle, once he split from Francesca 432 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:41,199 Speaker 1: originally after the show ended. So I mean, how what 433 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 1: a showmance is that? To get back with Francesca when 434 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:47,479 Speaker 1: the series finally airs on Netflix. So if that's anything 435 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: to go by, we'll probably see him being the next Bachelor. Well, 436 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:52,879 Speaker 1: he's only twenty three. Can't they get someone good? I 437 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 1: really want them to, you know, widen the net and 438 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:57,880 Speaker 1: maybe get some guys that aren't well known. I mean, 439 00:19:57,920 --> 00:19:59,879 Speaker 1: I have no interest in watching. I mean, I know 440 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: I'm excited to watch it, but Locky from Survivor doesn't 441 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:06,920 Speaker 1: excite me. No, neither. Let's get into our favorite topic, 442 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: awkward turtle. Now, this one involves you and I, Amy, 443 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: and it was a rather awkward meeting we had this 444 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 1: week with a new potential client. Yeah. So, for those 445 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 1: who don't know, Sophie and I run a digital agency 446 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:20,959 Speaker 1: called Hula Media and we do get random requests on 447 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 1: LinkedIn for meetings and this guy seemed pretty legit when 448 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 1: he contacted us now he claimed to be the owner 449 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:29,160 Speaker 1: of a certain business here in Adelaide, but alarm bells 450 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:32,160 Speaker 1: were going off the second we met up with him. Well, well, 451 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 1: the odd thing was, as soon as we'd sat down 452 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 1: at this cafe, he started talking about his previous business 453 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 1: and he claimed that he'd sold it for twenty million dollars. 454 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 1: And normally, when you're about to discuss a business deal 455 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: with somebody, you don't really go on about your wealth. 456 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 1: Because we hadn't discussed figures for work or anything. So 457 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: that was sort of the first alarm bell. The next 458 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: alarm bell was the fact he told us that he 459 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:57,640 Speaker 1: collects gold bars from the local what is it cash 460 00:20:57,640 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 1: and Karen, what is that store called convert? Cash convert? 461 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 1: So I don't know if it was cash converters, but 462 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:05,879 Speaker 1: he basically anyway, he claims that he buys bars of 463 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: gold and sells them and had made eight hundred thousand 464 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 1: dollars of The third alarm bell was the fact that 465 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: he said he'd collected two cars the day before, which 466 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,160 Speaker 1: one was a Jeep, one was some other flash car, 467 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 1: and that he has a whole warehouse of cars, including 468 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 1: a James Bond style car. Do you know what the 469 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:24,879 Speaker 1: weirdest thing was. I'm not trying to be mean, but 470 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: most people who sort of brag about their wealth, they'll 471 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,120 Speaker 1: show up looking the part, like in a fancy suit. 472 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,719 Speaker 1: This guy came in a polo top and he had 473 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 1: a really crummy small office. So we were just a 474 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,440 Speaker 1: bit like, you know, was the most awkward thing about 475 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:40,919 Speaker 1: this story was having to sit there and pretend like 476 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 1: we actually believe that this man was telling the truth. 477 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: I mean, probably the souter point of the meeting was 478 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: when he talked about how he's got a three story 479 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: boat and apparently women took nude photos recently on the boat. 480 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,639 Speaker 1: I mean, a little bit strange conversation to bring up 481 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: with two females meeting. But so, as you guys can 482 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: probably sense, alarm bells were ringing. So we went home. 483 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 1: We googled this guy. It popped up his mug shot 484 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 1: from America and apparently he's been arrested for battery and 485 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 1: is facing fraud charges of the US. So it's safe 486 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 1: to say we didn't get back into contact with this well. 487 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: I don't know though, like how the fuck did he 488 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,679 Speaker 1: escape from America? I mean, he you know, I don't know. 489 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 1: We're currently looking into it at the moment. Well, the 490 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: worst thing is, this isn't even the first time I've 491 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: met up with a scam RTIs the previous business I 492 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 1: worked at where there was a scam RTIs who met 493 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:33,239 Speaker 1: up with us in Sydney and he was apparently a 494 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:37,159 Speaker 1: real estate agent. And the most clever thing actually was 495 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 1: that he had developed a number of fake names, and 496 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 1: his fake name I can't I can't actually remember what 497 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 1: it was, but we don't say this, well no, I 498 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,439 Speaker 1: won't say exactly what it is, but he made up 499 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:49,400 Speaker 1: the name of one of the one of them things 500 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 1: us on five seconds of Summer and that's really clever 501 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 1: because then if anyone tries to search for information about 502 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 1: the wrongdoings you've done, they can't find you. I think 503 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,640 Speaker 1: the moral of this story, though, is if something seems dodgy, 504 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 1: it most likely is, and you should always look into it. 505 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:07,120 Speaker 1: But that was the most awkward meaning I've ever been 506 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: involved in. Thank you so much for listening to today's show, 507 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:13,919 Speaker 1: and thank you again to today's sponsor, Oloplex. I personally switched 508 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: to Olaplex last year on the advice of my hairdresser, 509 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 1: and it's honestly been so amazing. 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