1 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Rise and Conquer Podcasts. This podcast is 2 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: for women who want to take ownership of their lives, 3 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 1: live unapologetically, and are ready to turn their biggest dreams 4 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 1: into their reality. If you're ready to be armed with 5 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 1: the tools that will inspire to take bold action, feel 6 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: confident within yourself, and conquer your goals, then you've come 7 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:34,840 Speaker 1: to the right place. I'm your host, Georgie Stevenson. I'm 8 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: a lawyer turned entrepreneur, co founder of Naked Harvest Supplements, 9 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: and social media personality with a community of over three 10 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 1: hundred thousand. I grew up believing I had to pursue 11 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: the safe option and fit into a mold others had 12 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 1: created for me. But then I entered my corporate law 13 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: job and I realized that settling for a reality that 14 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: didn't set my soul on fire was something I. 15 00:00:58,040 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 2: Was not prepared to do. 16 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 1: I want to more, and I have a feeling you 17 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 1: do too. Join me and special guests weekly as we 18 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: get down to the nitty gritty on all things health, 19 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:13,119 Speaker 1: mastering your mindset, creating lasting habits, thriving in your career 20 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: and relationships, plus so much more, and together we'll gain 21 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:21,680 Speaker 1: the knowledge and perspective to pursue our wildest dreams and 22 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:24,399 Speaker 1: kick fear to the curb. Well, what are you waiting for? 23 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: Let's rise and conquer. Hey guys, welcome back to the 24 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 1: Rise and Conquer podcast. Today's guest is Jessica Quinn. At 25 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: the age of nine, Jess was confronted with a diagnosis 26 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: of bone cancer and as a result, she lost her 27 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: hair and one of her legs. Jess showed cancer whose 28 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: boss in two thousand and one and now it is 29 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: a champion of body diversity and cannot be stopped. Rather 30 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: than not let this hold her back, she shifted her 31 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: focus and instead tuned into everything she could do instead 32 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: of what she couldn't and let me tell you, she 33 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: smashed some pretty epic goals. Jess, as a model an 34 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: advocate changing how women see themselves, am proving that beauty 35 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: comes in so many different forms. This incredible, resilient and 36 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: determined woman is a shining example of how our biggest 37 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: challenges can help us find. 38 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 2: Our true purpose. 39 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed this chat as much as I did. 40 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: Prepared to be inspired. Hey, Jess, thank you so much 41 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: for making the time to chat to us. I know 42 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: you are a busy baby, but I am so excited 43 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 1: to have you on here. Thank you for having me. 44 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: I'm very excited, of course, of course. So we're going 45 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 1: to get into some really cool stuff. But firstly, something 46 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 1: I want to ask you is what season are you 47 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 1: currently in? And so the reason why I want to 48 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: ask this is seasons is this concept that I talk 49 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: about a lot of my own social and it's kind 50 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: of like, you know, are you busy or are you 51 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 1: going through a slow season? And I just like to 52 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 1: talk about this because I think sometimes when you're in it, 53 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: it can feel very like there's no way out, or 54 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:18,799 Speaker 1: you're always going to be busy or you're always going 55 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 1: to be slow. So I just like to talk about 56 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:22,799 Speaker 1: it because I think it's a good reminder that we're 57 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 1: constantly changing and evolving. So tell us, Jess, what season 58 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: are you currently in? 59 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's actually funny that you asked that, because it's 60 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 3: something I also talk about a lot, and it's something 61 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 3: that's helped me lately. And a girlfriend said it to 62 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 3: me once. She was like, don't worry, it's just a season, 63 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 3: and it's kind of stuck with me and reassured me 64 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 3: along my kind of journey of ups and downs. So 65 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 3: at the moment, I'm in a season of healing. It 66 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 3: looks different every day, but it's helped me to recognize 67 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 3: that I am in a state of healing right now, 68 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 3: so I have to take the good with the bad. 69 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 3: I've been dealing with a bit of of injuries in 70 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 3: and around the stuff that I deal with every day, 71 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 3: which I'm sure we're going to get into in a 72 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 3: little bit. But yeah, so I unfortunately it's been a 73 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 3: year and a half long season, so it's late living 74 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 3: through a really long winter that you're hoping will end soon, 75 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 3: but knowing it's just a season. And when I look 76 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 3: back on my life, I've had multiple seasons like this, 77 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 3: and I know that they've all ended and there's been 78 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 3: a beautiful summer at the end of all of those seasons. 79 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:28,720 Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm the same as you. I like to 80 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 3: look at it in that light. But yeah, season of healing. 81 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 2: I love that. I know. 82 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 1: I'm sorry going through a hard season too, but I 83 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 1: love what you said about knowing that there's a summer 84 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 1: season coming. It's beautiful. So let's get into the interview. 85 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 1: And I've obviously done a bit of an intro but 86 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 1: I love when my guests explain who they are themselves. 87 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 1: So do you want to give the listeners just a 88 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: bit of a snapshot of who you are and what 89 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: it's like in the day of life of Jass? 90 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 3: My day of life is always very different. I kind 91 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 3: of sometimes wish I had a routine, but I definitely don't. 92 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 3: I live in New Zealand. At the moment, I've grown 93 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 3: up my whole life in New Zealand. I am currently, 94 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 3: as of the last two months, living between New Zealand 95 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 3: and Los Angeles. I got signed to a modeling agency 96 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 3: about probably a year and a half ago, and they're 97 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 3: based in LA. Took me a while to get a 98 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:35,039 Speaker 3: visa that I eventually got that so I decided to 99 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 3: make the transition to giving life a go up there, 100 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 3: but kind of realized that I still have a lot 101 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 3: of work and a lot of commitment that I love 102 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,039 Speaker 3: in New Zealand, So I kind of live between New 103 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 3: Zealand and LA at the moment. I'm currently in a 104 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 3: state of extending my flight and my trip home by 105 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:54,599 Speaker 3: the week, which is quite funny. So I'm in a 106 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 3: bit of a limbo. But in terms of my work, 107 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 3: I work obviously as a model, I do a lot 108 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 3: of social media stuff that all kind of blew up 109 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 3: for me about three years ago, very unexpectedly, just I 110 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 3: did a photo shoot that ended up going viral and 111 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:13,840 Speaker 3: found me with a following and having to learn how 112 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:16,280 Speaker 3: to navigate the world of social media that I knew 113 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:21,160 Speaker 3: nothing about. I do public speaking. I do a mixture 114 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 3: of other projects that I'm working on that I'm sure 115 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 3: we'll also get into a bit later. But most of 116 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:30,919 Speaker 3: my life is in and around helping people understand that 117 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 3: different is okay, that we're all different, and that I 118 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 3: think the one thing we all have in common as 119 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:39,479 Speaker 3: humans is that we are different. Yet we've lived in 120 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 3: a society that projects perfection, especially I believe, for women. 121 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:47,159 Speaker 3: So that's something I'm trying to break down at the moment. 122 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 3: I lost my leg to cancer as a kid, so 123 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 3: I grew up feeling very different from anyone I knew, 124 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:57,280 Speaker 3: from anyone I saw in the media. So I wanted to, 125 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:00,279 Speaker 3: I guess, spend my life trying to fight that change, 126 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 3: because as they got older, I realized that even my 127 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 3: friends or people I knew who had two legs grew 128 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 3: up feeling different in some way. Because of what they 129 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 3: would have gone through. So I realized that it's really 130 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 3: normal and in our experiences in and around that just different. 131 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 3: So yeah, it's become my life mission to normalize diversity, 132 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 3: and yeah, to help people understand that different it's okay. 133 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 3: And also, I guess help others through their journey through adversity, 134 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 3: because we all face adversity in our life, whether it's 135 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 3: the loss of the job that we really wanted, or 136 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 3: it's losing our leg to cancer. You know, there's the 137 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 3: spectrums massive and we all face this unexpected adversity at 138 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 3: different times, and it's learning how to, I guess, grow 139 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 3: through it and live through it and see it as 140 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 3: an opportunity to grow opposed to kind of a roadblock 141 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 3: in life. So yeah, that's kind of a really long 142 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 3: winded answer to what I do. But unfortunately I don't 143 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 3: have the simple I'm in marketing kind of answer. I 144 00:07:58,240 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 3: kind of wish I did. 145 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: No, I loved it, and that was perfect. You are 146 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: doing some epic things on social media and definitely one 147 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: of my favorite accounts to follow. 148 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 3: I had a moment recently. I think it was when 149 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 3: I was asked to go on the podcast and I 150 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 3: went onto Instagram and I didn't even realize that you 151 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 3: followed me because I followed your YouTube for a really 152 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 3: long time. And I was like, oh, wow, this is 153 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 3: so cool. 154 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 1: Is funny, that's. 155 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 3: So funny how the world connects. I know. 156 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 2: I love that. 157 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: Well, let's go, let's go to the start. And so 158 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: you were diagnosed with bone cancer and lost your leg 159 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 1: at age nine, which is such a young age to 160 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: go through something like that. Can you tell us what 161 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: it was like as a child pre cancer. 162 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, I had an awesome childhood pre cancer. I was 163 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 3: a very very active kid. I competed or participated in 164 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 3: pretty much every sport I could get my hands on. 165 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 3: I was born in a time before social media. Obviously 166 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 3: we had TV and stuff. I'm not that old, but 167 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 3: you know, it wasn't for me. I was such an 168 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 3: outdoorsy kid, so I remember just being outdoors all the time. Yeah, 169 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 3: I was kind of I just love life. I have 170 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 3: two sisters. I'm in the middle of both of them, 171 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 3: so we grew up, you know, playing teachers, playing mothers 172 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 3: and fathers and bossing us, bossing each other around, and yeah, 173 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 3: I had amazing family life. I'm still really grateful that 174 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:25,680 Speaker 3: I still have an amazing family life. So yeah, life 175 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 3: for me was pretty I guess you could say normal. 176 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 3: I grew up in New Zealand, which I feel like 177 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 3: the luckiest person in the world to grow up in 178 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 3: a country that's beautiful and the safe, so I'm very 179 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 3: grateful for that. And then, yeah, life took a massive, 180 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 3: unexpected turn in the matter of a moment. 181 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: Really yeah, so tell us about that moment. So when 182 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: the doctors said to you they had to amputate your leg, 183 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 1: what was going through your head? I know you were 184 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 1: so young, or can you remember kind of how your 185 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: parents or sisters were acting. 186 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:00,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of it. My memory kind of comes 187 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 3: in and out, abe because I was so young. I 188 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 3: think it was nearly I think eighteen years ago, and 189 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 3: I mean most of us don't fully remember our life 190 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 3: back then. And I think also trauma's kind of blocked 191 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 3: it out of my brain a little bit. And it 192 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:17,599 Speaker 3: was also a progressive process, so I or a progressive discovery. 193 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 3: I stood on a soccer ball, just trying to show 194 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 3: off that I could balance on a soccer ball without 195 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 3: holding onto anything, and I plummeted to the floor and 196 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:27,959 Speaker 3: fractured my femur bone. Which is supposed to be the 197 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 3: strongest bone in your body, and mine snapped doing something 198 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 3: pretty routinely simple. But the doctors didn't discover the cancer 199 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 3: for about four months. So I was stuck in a 200 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 3: wheelchair and plaster trying to heal a broken leg, and 201 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 3: I just wanted to get back to life and like 202 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 3: run around with my friends. And I was like, oh, 203 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 3: this broken leg sull annoying, you know, And then it 204 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 3: just wouldn't go away in terms of I went into 205 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 3: rehab to try heal, and I was in so much pain. 206 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 3: And then I think kind of red flag started to 207 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 3: arise when they realized that my break was quite weird 208 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 3: in the first place, and then the fact that I 209 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 3: was still in pain. So they started to investigate, and 210 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 3: they found in osteosarcoma, which is a form of bomb 211 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 3: cancer that was living in my femur bone. We don't 212 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:15,959 Speaker 3: know for how long, but that's what had I guess 213 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 3: caused my bond to break in such a kind of 214 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 3: simple way. So yeah, then I did nine months of chemotherapy, 215 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 3: so I lost my hair. On the day of my surgery. 216 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 3: I waited about eighteen kilos so I had a feeding 217 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 3: tube in my nose because I just couldn't stomach food, 218 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 3: and when I could stomach food, I couldn't keep it down, 219 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 3: and you know all the other symptoms of chemotherapy, like 220 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 3: my mouth was covered in ulcers, which also stopped me eating. 221 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 3: So yeah, I lost a lot of weight, I lost 222 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 3: my hair. I looked like it could going through cancer basically, 223 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 3: and yeah, life changed very quickly. And then they told 224 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 3: me that they would have to antutate my leg. It 225 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 3: was the only way to save my life. The chemo 226 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 3: hadn't really shrunk it like like we had hoped, so 227 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 3: it was all quite obviously scary and strange, and even 228 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 3: more scary because the amputation that I had was I 229 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 3: was one of the first in New Zealand to have 230 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:12,839 Speaker 3: that surgery. It was a fourteen hour surgery. It's called 231 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 3: a rotation plasty. I won't explain it because it's really 232 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 3: hard to wrap your head around, but if you're interested, 233 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 3: I highly recommend googling because your mind will be blowing 234 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 3: how that works. But yeah, I had the surgery. I 235 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 3: remember being really scared being wailed into the theater about 236 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 3: to have my leg amputated. But I think also in hindsight, 237 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 3: I don't think I rarely knew what was going on completely. 238 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 3: You know, you know the facts, you know you're about 239 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 3: to lose your leg, but when you're nine, you know 240 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 3: a year is a really long time. Therefore, you don't 241 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 3: know the implications of what you're going through is going 242 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 3: to have on your future. So that didn't really hit 243 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 3: me until I was probably an intermediate, so kind of 244 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 3: early teens. But yeah, obviously I was scared and all 245 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 3: of that. But I'm also forever grateful that I went 246 00:12:57,440 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 3: through what I did at the age that I did, 247 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 3: because A I had the resilience to just get back 248 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 3: up and get on with life, and I didn't overthink things. 249 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:06,680 Speaker 3: I was just like, I've got one league, now let's 250 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 3: learn how to use it. Whereas, had it happened to 251 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 3: me at kind of the age i'm at now or 252 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 3: in my late teens, I think it would have been 253 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 3: a lot harder because you kind of know too much, 254 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 3: and as an adult or a young team, we kind 255 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 3: of or a late team, we have kind of there 256 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 3: instilled in us, whereas I don't believe we have that 257 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 3: as kids. So it really helped me kind of just 258 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 3: get up and get on with life. 259 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: Really so, like you said, he didn't really grasp because 260 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 1: you were so young. When did it start getting quite 261 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 1: difficult for you in regards to accepting that you did 262 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 1: have this surgery. And where did it start, I guess 263 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 1: feeling more real to you. 264 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 3: It was kind of in my early teens. I think 265 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 3: I'd say I was around thirteen ish, so that would 266 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 3: have been three or four years after everything had gone down. 267 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 3: I think a I started to realize really what I'd 268 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:06,319 Speaker 3: been through. I started to realize, as I mentioned, kind 269 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 3: of the implications that that was going to have on 270 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 3: my future. I remember having a really morbid thought. I 271 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 3: got into a really dark place and I remember thinking, like, wow, 272 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 3: I'm literally going to die one day and I'm still 273 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 3: going to have one leg, you know, like it just 274 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 3: that's so morbid. But it just really hit me how 275 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 3: this was permanent. You know, this is forever, and if 276 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 3: I have children one day, I'm going to have to 277 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 3: explain it to them, and like, you know, all of 278 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 3: that kind of stuff. I just saw it. I saw 279 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 3: the bigger picture and all of this. I didn't just 280 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 3: see it then what I was going through at the 281 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 3: time anymore. And it all I guess my struggles with 282 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 3: it all started from a place of body image. So 283 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 3: I was thirteen, my my girlfriends at school were starting 284 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 3: to wear mini skirts and starting to flirt with boys 285 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 3: and all of this kind of stuff, and I, especially 286 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 3: because of the nature of the surgery I had, it 287 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 3: was hugely unusual looking. Therefore, I didn't wear shorts for 288 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 3: the first kind of eight years and what I like 289 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 3: to call me new life. So I didn't wear shorts 290 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 3: until I was kind of just leaving high school, which 291 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 3: is crazy to think about now, given I live in 292 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 3: shorts all day long, and it's actually I hate wearing jeans. 293 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 3: They're very annoying, but you know, it's just kind of 294 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 3: become a normality. But I went through this phase where 295 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 3: I just wanted to kind of hide away, and I 296 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 3: was super confident during the day, and a lot of people, 297 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 3: even my parents, didn't even really notice how much I 298 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 3: was struggling. But it was something I was really internalizing, 299 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 3: and I'd let it out at night, and I'd get 300 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 3: really upset when i'd go to bed, and I kept 301 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 3: asking myself, you know, why me, Why did I have 302 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 3: to go through this, And why can't my life just 303 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 3: be simple and easy and then, yeah, I took about 304 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 3: probably a good two to three years before I came 305 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 3: out the other end. And I remember saying to myself 306 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 3: one night, I was like, cancer has taken so much 307 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 3: from me already, I can't let it take my happiness. 308 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 3: And I knew that I think I needed to go 309 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 3: through that process of grief, I guess, and I had 310 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 3: to just get on with life because i'd already, you know, 311 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 3: nearly lost it. I was grateful to have the lack 312 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 3: that I had, so I needed to find a way 313 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 3: to make the most of it because my situation wasn't changing. 314 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 3: So yeah, I kind of faked a smile and got 315 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 3: on with it, which sounds kind of weird, but I 316 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 3: just thought I should try on being confident. I just 317 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 3: started to become more comfortable in my own skin, even 318 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 3: if I didn't truly feel it. And then one day 319 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 3: it wasn't until later on I realized once I was 320 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 3: an other interview actually, and I realized that I told 321 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 3: the lady, I was like, I wouldn't change what I 322 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 3: went through even if I had the choice. And that's 323 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 3: when I realized that that confidence had really kind of stuck. 324 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: I love that, and I let's get more into your 325 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 1: self love journey, because I know that you did a 326 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 1: Ted talk and I've watched it and I loved it. 327 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 1: If you guys want to check it out, it's called 328 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 1: why are You Chasing an unachievable idea of Perfection? I'll 329 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 1: actually put a link in the show notes too, And 330 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: in it you mentioned how you like you were just 331 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: saying before like you battled cancer, it was so hard, 332 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 1: and losing your life was hard, but then the hardest 333 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 1: thing for you was putting on a pair of shorts. 334 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 1: And I hope this is right. You said you didn't 335 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 1: wear shorts for eight years, and then when you look 336 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 1: back on high school, you had a lot of issues 337 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 1: like body image issues in comparison issues, and I know 338 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 1: that's very prevalent in young girls, but I couldn't imagine 339 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:26,400 Speaker 1: too how you felt. So let's get into that more. 340 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:29,640 Speaker 1: And I know that you just said that it did 341 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: sort of come a time when you were like, look, 342 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: I can't let cancer take any more from me. Can 343 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:38,920 Speaker 1: you kind of tell us a little bit more about 344 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 1: that and your experience with those issues and how you 345 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: did sort of cope with them. 346 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 3: It was definitely just a process I had to go 347 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 3: through I think, and it wasn't. There was kind of 348 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:55,199 Speaker 3: just step by step I kind of things got better. 349 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 3: I also got stuck in a state of I guess, 350 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 3: almost pressure, and I just got so down and out 351 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,159 Speaker 3: about it that I almost couldn't get myself out. And 352 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:07,159 Speaker 3: then eventually I kind of saw the light as I 353 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 3: was explaining earlier, and I was just able to know 354 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 3: that there was more to life than being miserable, and 355 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:15,399 Speaker 3: that I was the only person that was going to 356 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 3: be able to make myself happy. So I one day 357 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:21,680 Speaker 3: I wasn't planning on wearing shorts and a lot of 358 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 3: the stuff I've thought about in recent times, I didn't 359 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:26,439 Speaker 3: even know I was doing it at the time, you know. 360 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 3: Like I would go to a party, whether it was 361 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:32,399 Speaker 3: a family gathering with extended friends, or it was a 362 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 3: social gathering with my girlfriends or whatever, a party that 363 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:38,360 Speaker 3: would go to as a team. But I found myself 364 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 3: if I was having a conversation with someone knew I 365 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 3: was slightly hiding behind a piece of furniture, like I 366 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 3: would almost have my prosthetic like slightly to the side, 367 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:48,439 Speaker 3: so they wouldn't ask questions and they wouldn't see it, 368 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 3: and I think that was even though I was happy 369 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 3: to talk about it, it was a way of me 370 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 3: just trying to let it go and trying to forget 371 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 3: about it. And also just people do not notice. I. 372 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 3: The nature of my surgery left my legs super, super skinny, 373 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 3: and I started to grow. Obviously, I was turning into 374 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 3: a woman. And I would wake up every day and 375 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:09,880 Speaker 3: I would wrap socks around my leg I would wrap 376 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:12,439 Speaker 3: t shirts and then I would put sports bandages off 377 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 3: the top and then masking tape just to make it 378 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 3: look like I had a thigh so I could wear 379 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 3: skinny jeans. And I would do that every single day. 380 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 3: And then I was lucky that I got a prosthetic 381 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:24,679 Speaker 3: to kind of make that process a lot easier. But 382 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:26,920 Speaker 3: even through that process, I realized, you know, I can't 383 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:29,400 Speaker 3: live like this. I can't just you know, keep trying 384 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 3: to make my body look like Then word normal was 385 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 3: always in my head, and I was like, what is 386 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:37,199 Speaker 3: this normal that I'm trying to reach, you know? And 387 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:39,719 Speaker 3: then one day I was at a girlfriend's house. There 388 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 3: was a group of us really growth close friends, and 389 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 3: it was a super hot summer's day and they were like, Jess, 390 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:46,120 Speaker 3: you want to borrow a pair of shorts, like GE's 391 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 3: so hot out. We were just sitting up on the 392 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 3: grass catching up and I was like, okay, yeah whatever. 393 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 3: You know, it was really daunting for me, but I thought, 394 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 3: you know, it's just my girlfriends, why not. So I 395 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 3: put on a pair of shorts and they kind of 396 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 3: thought nothing of it. But I just felt this massive 397 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 3: relief and I felt so good about myself. I felt 398 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 3: like I didn't even care anymore that people would look 399 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 3: I just, you know, I realized that I was the 400 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 3: one that had been holding myself back. So from that 401 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 3: point forward, I kind of I just let it go. 402 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 3: I just started wearing shorts and people would stare at me, 403 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 3: as they still do every single day, but it doesn't 404 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 3: affect me anymore because I know people are just interested, 405 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 3: they're not malicious, and at the end of the day, 406 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,159 Speaker 3: this is the body that I live in. And something 407 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 3: else that really really helped me, which has been in 408 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,439 Speaker 3: a more recent time since I've been signed as a model. 409 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 3: But I first flew up to LA with my modeling 410 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:38,400 Speaker 3: agency about maybe two or three years ago, probably two 411 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 3: years ago, and my modeling agent, she said they work 412 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 3: with a lot of models who are diverse and they 413 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 3: work with plus those models or people who are different 414 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 3: and kind of I guess, different from the mainstream models 415 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 3: that we've been used to. And she decided to put 416 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 3: a group of us together and I didn't actually know, 417 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 3: but we all were told to wear denim shorts and 418 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:01,160 Speaker 3: a white T shirt and turn up to the photo show. 419 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 3: And all of the girls that were at that photo shirt, 420 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 3: she told me later, for some reason, had grown up 421 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 3: not wanting to wear shorts, and to that day, some 422 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:10,199 Speaker 3: of them, that was their first day they'd put on 423 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 3: a pair of dinnim shorts because they didn't like the 424 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:13,679 Speaker 3: size of their legs, or they had a scar on 425 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 3: their leg or whatever it was. And that was the 426 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 3: most incredible thing for me to realize that I was 427 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 3: kind of united with these people who had all had 428 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 3: the same experience as me, but for different reasons. And 429 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 3: it made me, I guess, it just hit me in 430 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,360 Speaker 3: the face, being like, you know, we all have insecurities, 431 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,679 Speaker 3: we all feel different in some way for different reasons, 432 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 3: and that was really cool to just feel I guess 433 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 3: that I wasn't alone in that. 434 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,719 Speaker 1: I love what you said too about you realized that 435 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: you were holding yourself back, which I think is something 436 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 1: like we create this story in our heads of and 437 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:50,399 Speaker 1: we project of like what other people are thinking, and 438 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,400 Speaker 1: you're doing this for other people and all that sort 439 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,880 Speaker 1: of thing. But I love what you said about it's 440 00:21:56,080 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 1: actually a complete boundary that we'd put on ourselves totally. 441 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 3: I've thought about that even more recently. You know, it's 442 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:05,879 Speaker 3: like you have a pimple on your face and you 443 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 3: just think it is this like balloon hanging off your face, 444 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 3: and so you even say it, like you go have 445 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 3: coffee with a friend, You're like, oh my god, this 446 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 3: pimple on my face, and they're like, oh my god, 447 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:14,639 Speaker 3: I didn't even see it, you know, And it's like 448 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,679 Speaker 3: we make out we're so aware, we're almost too aware 449 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 3: of ourselves that we kind of get in our own way. 450 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 3: And I find I've actually recently done the same thing 451 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 3: with my healing process. I've been having issues with my 452 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 3: leg as I mentioned it at the beginning, and I 453 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 3: realized that the story I've been telling myself is like, 454 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 3: regardless of the issue that I'm having, it's there. It's 455 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 3: a physical way know what's happening. But I've been making 456 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 3: it worse because I've been telling everyone all day long 457 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:40,679 Speaker 3: on my social media, I talk about it, I talk 458 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 3: to specialists about it. I've gotten in a negative state 459 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 3: of mind about it. So I've decided to strip back 460 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 3: and I only do the odd update here and they're 461 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,679 Speaker 3: on social media about it now. Because I realized I 462 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 3: was kind of living more in the state of negativity 463 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 3: than I wanted to, which is, you know, it doesn't 464 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 3: help your body or your mind. So I think it's 465 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,879 Speaker 3: hugely important to notice how we're speaking to ourselves and 466 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,640 Speaker 3: kind of try to change that narrative a little bit. 467 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 1: I love that I resonated recently, and obviously this is 468 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 1: on a completely different scale. But I've always gotten coalsals 469 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 1: growing up, and I get like two to three a month, 470 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,439 Speaker 1: just because they come out with the sun and stress 471 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: and it's summer at the moment and. 472 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:21,360 Speaker 2: I'm pretty stressed. 473 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:26,399 Speaker 1: And previously, you know, like I wouldn't film youtubes, I 474 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,639 Speaker 1: wouldn't take photos. I remember when I worked corporate, I 475 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: would wear like scarf so I could kind of like 476 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 1: hide my face and I would let you know this 477 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:40,399 Speaker 1: Coulso this saw on my lip completely control my mood 478 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,880 Speaker 1: and how I felt and my confidence for the day. 479 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,399 Speaker 1: And then I remember one day I got on social 480 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,159 Speaker 1: media and I was talking about it and I was 481 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 1: just like, look, I know we all get coal saws. 482 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 1: It's just it's just saw on my lip. Like I 483 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 1: just I don't care anymore. Like I'm so sick of 484 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 1: hiding and feeling like crap, and so I just literally 485 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 1: one day I just decided. I was like, I'm not 486 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:09,360 Speaker 1: going to live in the state of letting me control 487 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 1: my mood and all that sort of stuff. And since 488 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,360 Speaker 1: then and kind of just making that decision, like when 489 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 1: I get a callser I'm like, okay, cool, Like it's 490 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: not like I love it, but it's all like it's all. 491 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 3: Good and tell you like just touch on the most 492 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,239 Speaker 3: important point that I also believe, and it's like, you know, 493 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 3: I also get a little bit stoked with the body 494 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,160 Speaker 3: image movement at times, or the body positivity movement, because 495 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 3: it's kind of turned into this like take a photo 496 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,360 Speaker 3: of us in the mirror with all of our stomach 497 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 3: rolls or our cellulate or whatever it is, and I 498 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 3: think that's great. I think we should be celebrating our 499 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 3: bodies and helping others know that we all live in 500 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 3: different bodies. But at the same time, I think we're 501 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 3: still regardless focusing on our bodies. And it's like I 502 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,639 Speaker 3: don't look in the mirror with my leg off and 503 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 3: take a photo. Or I do take a photo, but 504 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 3: I don't look in the mirror and I don't go, oh, 505 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 3: that is the sexiest or the coolest leg I've ever seen. 506 00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 3: I don't have to feed it this like cheesy positive message, 507 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 3: but I have to live in that body. And I 508 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,679 Speaker 3: think that's what's really important, you know. I just I 509 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 3: don't have to love it, but I don't have to 510 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,919 Speaker 3: stop myself from living because of it, you know. And 511 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 3: I think that's really important. I don't think we have 512 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 3: to look at our cellulight and go, oh, that's the 513 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 3: coolest cellu light I've ever seen, you know, But just 514 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,679 Speaker 3: don't stop yourself living your life because of it. Just 515 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 3: put on the shorts, get out of the house, and like, 516 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,159 Speaker 3: know that your body's so much more important than how 517 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 3: it looks. 518 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,399 Speaker 1: One hundred percent. You just hit the nail on the 519 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 1: head and it is. It's like you don't have to 520 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,160 Speaker 1: love it, but just be okay with it and leave 521 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 1: it as that and move on. Because and I think 522 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 1: it's also previously the reason why I was very consumed 523 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 1: is previously I was very consumed with looks, like it 524 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,119 Speaker 1: was a big parity in my life. Whereas now my 525 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 1: looks isn't a parody in my life. It's very much 526 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,400 Speaker 1: down the line a bit, so it just doesn't affect 527 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 1: me as much. So one hundred percent like taking almost 528 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: just the emphasis of even looks in general and not 529 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 1: having to love it, but just being like, okay, it's there, 530 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,919 Speaker 1: all good, totally agree, Okay, amazing. 531 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 2: We just went off in a tangent. 532 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 3: Then I love a Tangents are great where the good 533 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 3: stuff is exactly. 534 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,119 Speaker 1: So let's move on and let's talk about your modeling. 535 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 2: CreERT. 536 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 1: So you're actually a fashion graduate, which is really cool, 537 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 1: and now you're a model. So tell us why did 538 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: you want to get into fashion and how did you 539 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 1: get into modeling? 540 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I actually forget I went to UNI. It 541 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 3: seems like so long ago. My whole life ever since 542 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,879 Speaker 3: kind of being second stuff I became. I was always 543 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 3: really creative and so at school I studied photography and 544 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 3: art and fashion, but fashion was the one thing that 545 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 3: kind of always stuck with me, and I wanted to 546 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,640 Speaker 3: be a designer and all that kind of stuff. So 547 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 3: I went to UNI. I did three years of fashion design, 548 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,679 Speaker 3: then I did my post grad and fashion and product design. 549 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 3: I actually ended up it was I won't get too 550 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 3: much into it because we'll probably take up the whole podcast, 551 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,199 Speaker 3: but it was kind of a huge part of my 552 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:11,400 Speaker 3: discovery of really coming into my body and being confident 553 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 3: in my body. I remember we had to do a 554 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 3: thesis in our last year of UNI before postgrad, and 555 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,120 Speaker 3: we could write on anything we wanted. So I decided 556 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 3: to write on the idea of prosthetics and fashion and 557 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:25,120 Speaker 3: how prosthetics are kind of the space for people who 558 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 3: don't have a limb that they actually have the ability 559 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 3: to fill with whatever they want. It could be a 560 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,399 Speaker 3: piece of art, it can be anything. You know, ideally 561 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,199 Speaker 3: it's something that walks okay, but it's something you know, 562 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 3: I could draw and I can do anything I want. 563 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 3: And so I did this piece on that, and I 564 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 3: remember for my study I had to bring in one 565 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 3: of my prosthetics instead it on my desk, and that 566 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,360 Speaker 3: was the most daunting thing of my life to walk 567 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 3: down the street holding a prosthetic leg, because at that 568 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 3: time they was still reasonably self conscious about it, but 569 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 3: I did it, and that was kind of the beginning 570 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,399 Speaker 3: of me Like now I just carry my legs around 571 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:57,880 Speaker 3: like this, I walk up to it. I would arrive 572 00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 3: at a fotosure it with two legs in my hand 573 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 3: because it's just my life. Like it's just been quite 574 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 3: cool to see that process. But UNI was definitely a 575 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 3: huge self discovery in that sense. But yeah, fashion, I 576 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 3: even left UNI, I had done fashion prosthetics for my 577 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,119 Speaker 3: post grad I was going to kind of launch that 578 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 3: into a business. But still in the back of my mind, 579 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 3: I was like, no, you went, do you need to 580 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,199 Speaker 3: do fashion? You're going to make a collection? You know 581 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,920 Speaker 3: how you get stuck in that kind of thought process 582 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 3: that you have to do what you studied at UNI 583 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 3: and what you've always wanted to do your whole life. 584 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 3: And then I was working in the field in fashion 585 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 3: and product for about two years and within that time 586 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,719 Speaker 3: I got a running blade prosthetic, which is like like 587 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 3: what the Paralympians would run in. And being deep down, 588 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 3: I've always been the active person that I was born 589 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 3: with as but I just kind of unfortunately got put 590 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 3: in a body later on that couldn't move in the 591 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 3: way that I wanted to be able to move on 592 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 3: the inside, and I fell in love with the gym. 593 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 3: I tried so many team sports, but I was always 594 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 3: just held back, and I fell in love with the 595 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,719 Speaker 3: gym because it was a place where I could compete 596 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 3: with myself and I could work on my abilities and 597 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 3: be able to find things that I could do instead 598 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 3: of constantly being showing things that I can't do. And 599 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 3: the only thing that was missing after all of that 600 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 3: was running. So I got this running blade and attempted 601 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 3: to run. And that's a whole nother story in itself, 602 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 3: but that running blade was a whole nother process in 603 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 3: my confidence because I'd become confident in the leg that 604 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 3: I have. But if you've seen my social media, it 605 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 3: looks much like a leg. Therefore it wasn't as confronting 606 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 3: as the blade as it looks nothing like a leg. 607 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 3: It's a carbon fiber tick. So putting that alcohol it is, 608 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 3: it's so cool. I'm like, kind of I felt bad 609 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 3: for people that don't get to wear one because they're 610 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 3: so cool. So while I was learning to run in 611 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 3: that leg, I realized how Court was and a friend 612 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 3: of mine, he's a photographer and my girlfriend at the 613 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 3: time worked in IKE, so she gave me some clothes 614 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 3: and I was like, I couldn't do a photo shirt. 615 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 3: I had this kind of half idea that it would 616 00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 3: be kind of cool to get a modeling agency because 617 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 3: I it was really sad that young people were still 618 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 3: growing up in a world where this perfection was everywhere. 619 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 3: This was about three years ago and the body image 620 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 3: movement wasn't as big as it is now, and I 621 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 3: just had the stream. I was like, I want a 622 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 3: kid walking to school to see someone like myself on 623 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 3: a billboard, and they might not even have one leg, 624 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 3: but it might make them feel better about whatever their 625 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 3: insecurity was. So I thought, we'll do a photo shirt 626 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 3: ate for fun, and maybe I'll send them to an 627 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 3: agency and see if anyone wanted to sign me. And 628 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 3: I put them on the photos on my Instagram. When 629 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 3: they came back, I think I had just under a 630 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 3: thousand followers at the time. It was just like friends 631 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 3: and family. I posted purchase of my dog and web 632 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 3: filters on my photos. Knew nothing about social media and 633 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 3: had zero plans and doing anything with it, and then 634 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 3: within about a week the photo went completely viral and 635 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 3: I got about ten thousand followers of a Night and 636 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 3: then I think about seventy thousand within three months and 637 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 3: ended up leaving my job and kind of I was 638 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 3: kind of making enough as an influence, if you like, 639 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 3: keep the world it. So I was like, I'm going 640 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 3: to give this a shot. And I'd kind of thought 641 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 3: nothing about the modeling thing, and they just moved on 642 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 3: with life. And life got pretty crazy in those two years, 643 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,959 Speaker 3: with the opportunities I got and the way my following 644 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 3: kept growing and the way my story was resonating with 645 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 3: people around the world. And then I had a modeling 646 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 3: agency slide into my DMS Natural Models in LA and 647 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 3: I kind of thought it was a bit of a 648 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 3: you know, you always get those spam emails of people 649 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 3: wanting you to join their agency, and I thought it 650 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 3: was another one of those, And then I looked into 651 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 3: them and they jumped on a call and I realized 652 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 3: the owner was Katie Wilcox, who's an incredible plus as model. 653 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 3: She's an amazing woman who I'd already looked up to. 654 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 3: So yeah, I got signed to them. So it was 655 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 3: quite funny now being on the other side of the industry. 656 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 3: So I dabbled in a little bit of modeling and 657 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 3: then now that my visa has come through and doing 658 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 3: a lot more modeling. I've walked New Zealand Fashion Week. 659 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 3: I've walked Melbourne Fashion Week last year, which was a 660 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 3: massive moment for me. I just did the latest Bras 661 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 3: and Things campaigns, so myself and a couple of other 662 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 3: incredible models in our underwear all over the malls in 663 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 3: Australia and New Zealand, which is quite daunting. But yeah, 664 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,480 Speaker 3: it's been a massive process and I've learned so much 665 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 3: through it. I'm still trying to juggle both my life 666 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 3: as a speaker, an influencer and a brand ambassador, as 667 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 3: well as the modeling. But yeah, it all kind of 668 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 3: goes hand in hand, which is really cool. 669 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,960 Speaker 1: Hey guys, I'm quickly interrupting this episode because I am 670 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 1: so excited. 671 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:39,480 Speaker 2: Naked Harvest has. 672 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 1: Just launched not one, but two new natural pre workout flavors, 673 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 1: Juicy Grape and Lemon lime Crush. 674 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 2: How good does that sound. 675 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 1: I'm personally all over the grape. 676 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 2: I'm obsessed. It smells like hubba bubba and it tastes 677 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 2: so good. 678 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 1: If you're someone like me and you care about what 679 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,000 Speaker 1: you're putting in your body. 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Okay, let's get straight back into the episode. 690 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 2: It just all seems like it was meant to be. 691 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's exactly how it feels. 692 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 2: It's kind of amazing. 693 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 1: So let's talk more about the industry, because I feel 694 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 1: like sometimes my view it can be almost a bit 695 00:33:55,840 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 1: warped because I am way more on social media rather 696 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 1: than mainstream or I guess you know, of course I 697 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 1: watched Netflix, but in regards to sort of the mainstream media, 698 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 1: and I feel like social media can be sometimes a 699 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 1: bit of a shit place, but then it can also 700 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:20,399 Speaker 1: be this amazing place where you do see a lot 701 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,960 Speaker 1: of diversity. And I feel like that did happen on 702 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 1: social media a lot first, which is awesome. But let's 703 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 1: chat about the industry regarding our photo shoots and retouching 704 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:36,360 Speaker 1: images and showing diverse bodies. And I know, I know 705 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 1: things are changing and things are getting better, but what 706 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,239 Speaker 1: are your thoughts and do you still think there's a 707 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 1: long way to go or yeah, let's talk about that. 708 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,440 Speaker 3: I do think there's a long way to go. I 709 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,879 Speaker 3: do think we've come a long way. It's also hard 710 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,840 Speaker 3: for me because, like you, I am also skewed because 711 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,840 Speaker 3: I most the photo shoots I get put forward for 712 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,720 Speaker 3: are because people know the message I and by therefore 713 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:02,880 Speaker 3: they're people who are less likely or I mean, I 714 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,279 Speaker 3: don't do a photoshoot unless they're not going to photoshop me. 715 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,960 Speaker 3: But still they're the people who are already celebrating their 716 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,440 Speaker 3: body image movement because that's why they've hired me. Because 717 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,680 Speaker 3: I have one leg, you know, it's quite obvious, so 718 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 3: I'm not as exposed as another model, I guess, but 719 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,440 Speaker 3: I'm also very woke to it. If you like it, 720 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 3: so I noticed it straight away, which is where my 721 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,839 Speaker 3: ted talk came from. I had an image of my photoshot. 722 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,320 Speaker 3: So I did Dancing with the Stars in New Zealand 723 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,319 Speaker 3: about eighteen months ago, and after doing that, I did 724 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,479 Speaker 3: a photo shoot with a woman's magazine, kind of talking 725 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,280 Speaker 3: about my story and all of that kind of stuff. 726 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:40,360 Speaker 3: And we did a shoot and I was wearing active 727 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 3: wear and it got printed in the magazine and I 728 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:44,799 Speaker 3: was like, cool girl, you look great. Didn't really think 729 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,880 Speaker 3: much of it. Obviously, the lighting had been, you know, ant, 730 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,759 Speaker 3: which is totally normal. I understand that. And then I 731 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,520 Speaker 3: asked for the images for my visa application and they 732 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,000 Speaker 3: weirdly sent me two folders. One was the images that 733 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,480 Speaker 3: I'd seen in the magazine and one was another folder 734 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,840 Speaker 3: that said unedited. And I felt like I was opening 735 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:05,960 Speaker 3: like a secret volt or something. I was like, water 736 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,839 Speaker 3: us in here. And turns out I'd been largely photoshoped, 737 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:11,359 Speaker 3: and I was like, damn, I don't look as good 738 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 3: as I thought I did. But no, I actually take 739 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,840 Speaker 3: that back. I still looked at those images, and this 740 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 3: is the biggest problem with it was I had actually 741 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:21,520 Speaker 3: gone to that shirt that day feeling great. I'd just 742 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,360 Speaker 3: done three months dancing on TV. I was feeling really 743 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,360 Speaker 3: good about myself. Yet someone still felt the need to 744 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,879 Speaker 3: photoshop me, to change my body and to point out 745 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 3: insecurity as I didn't even know I had like they 746 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 3: would remove. They removed half of my moles, but not 747 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,160 Speaker 3: all of them. It's like you can have some sunspots, 748 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:38,800 Speaker 3: but you've got a little bit too many girls, Like, 749 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,200 Speaker 3: let's just tone it back a little bit and just 750 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,840 Speaker 3: kind of taking control in that way. And my skin 751 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,799 Speaker 3: was perfectly smooth. My active web did not budge into 752 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,400 Speaker 3: my skin at all. I had flush skin, which I 753 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,040 Speaker 3: think if you have zero percent body fat is still impossible. 754 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,600 Speaker 3: So I just yeah, it kind of stirred something in me, 755 00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,080 Speaker 3: and I sat on it for a while, and then 756 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,759 Speaker 3: some got put through the grapevine and some media reached 757 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,120 Speaker 3: out to me. And I wasn't going to take it 758 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,680 Speaker 3: to the media, but I ended up doing that and 759 00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:13,520 Speaker 3: it started a massive conversation. Then I decided to run 760 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,520 Speaker 3: a petition to get the rules that ideally get a 761 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,319 Speaker 3: law in and around photoshopping that it had to be 762 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,560 Speaker 3: disclosed if a model was photoshopped, much like we have 763 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,839 Speaker 3: warnings on a cigarette packet because I believe that it's 764 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:31,120 Speaker 3: hugely detrimental to the mental health of humans. And yeah, 765 00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,319 Speaker 3: we got over ten dozand signatures and I'm just going 766 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 3: through the process now of where to take that. But 767 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,680 Speaker 3: so that's been kind of a long time. So within 768 00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,279 Speaker 3: those two years, I've seen a lot of changes because 769 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 3: a lot of people are starting to speak up about 770 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:46,400 Speaker 3: it now within the industry. So a lot of brands. 771 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,319 Speaker 3: You know, when I work with a brand, I say, hey, 772 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,000 Speaker 3: just to let you know, like, I'm not going to 773 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:51,800 Speaker 3: work with you if you're going to photoshop my images, 774 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,640 Speaker 3: and a lot of people, Bras and things is a 775 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,400 Speaker 3: good example, came back and I kind of wrongly just 776 00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,640 Speaker 3: assumed that they photoshopped the images before I signed onto 777 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:01,440 Speaker 3: the camp and they came back and we're like, oh no, 778 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,440 Speaker 3: we don't use photoshop. We only kind of just lighting 779 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,359 Speaker 3: we needed, or change the color of a garment if 780 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,479 Speaker 3: it doesn't perfectly match what it should be, et cetera, 781 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,560 Speaker 3: et cetera. So that's been really awesome to see that 782 00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,520 Speaker 3: some people are already taking that initiative within themselves to 783 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,759 Speaker 3: show people exactly as they are. And then there's kind 784 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,360 Speaker 3: of the other end I still get DMS from people 785 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,080 Speaker 3: like women who have got their wedding photos back and 786 00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,279 Speaker 3: they've been completely photoshopped, and they're like, I don't know 787 00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,400 Speaker 3: what to do, Like what do I say? And I'm like, 788 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,560 Speaker 3: oh my goodness. So it goes a lot further than 789 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,720 Speaker 3: we think, because you know, that's just someone's wedding photos. 790 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,840 Speaker 3: They don't retouch those. But yeah, I mean retouching is 791 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,000 Speaker 3: only one part of it. I think we're still in 792 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,680 Speaker 3: a place where we're still demanding diversity. But I think 793 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:46,560 Speaker 3: that's the best thing we can do. Like it's up 794 00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:50,000 Speaker 3: to the consumer to demand it, and you can demand 795 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,840 Speaker 3: it by supporting the brands that you know live or 796 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,200 Speaker 3: I guess portray the message how you want it to 797 00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:55,800 Speaker 3: be portrayed. 798 00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,840 Speaker 1: So why do you think it's so important to show 799 00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,279 Speaker 1: body diversity? And I know in your TED talk you 800 00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,720 Speaker 1: said when I say body diversity, I just mean real bodies, 801 00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,680 Speaker 1: which I loved. So why do you think it's important 802 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:12,760 Speaker 1: in modeling? And also, what advice would you give people 803 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:17,320 Speaker 1: so they can start making sure that whether it's social 804 00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:23,760 Speaker 1: media or mainstream media, what they consume better portrays real bodies. 805 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,640 Speaker 1: If you have that sort of advice, sorry, stuck one. 806 00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,319 Speaker 3: I mean, it's usually important. Kind of the whole reason 807 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,480 Speaker 3: I got into this was because they wanted people to 808 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:34,239 Speaker 3: grow up, not like I grow up. They wanted them 809 00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,440 Speaker 3: to grow up seeing real bodies so that they can 810 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,000 Speaker 3: feel better about themselves. They remember when the body image 811 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,920 Speaker 3: movement was starting to unravel through campaigns and through social media, 812 00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,919 Speaker 3: and people just started to feel better. They were like, oh, 813 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,520 Speaker 3: she has cellulate too, Like oh, even the Victoria Secret 814 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,520 Speaker 3: models have cellulate, or you know, when her body moves, 815 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,840 Speaker 3: it does move, you know, And I think it just 816 00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,920 Speaker 3: it normalizes everything. I think we don't even know how 817 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:03,080 Speaker 3: much the effect everything has had on us. It's you know, 818 00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,080 Speaker 3: in May talk talk about how most of the I 819 00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:09,240 Speaker 3: think it's something like eight percent of a campaign's message 820 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,359 Speaker 3: makes its way to our conscious brain, and the rest 821 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,920 Speaker 3: we rework in our brains. So we're seeing a campaign 822 00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:17,640 Speaker 3: and where they're going up. That didn't affect me. I 823 00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,560 Speaker 3: didn't care that her stomach was dead flat, or she 824 00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:21,200 Speaker 3: had a sick back or whatever it was. But we 825 00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,279 Speaker 3: don't actually know that we are reworking that and then 826 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,000 Speaker 3: comparing ourselves to that deep in our brain. And so 827 00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,839 Speaker 3: it's just having a massive effect. And I think we've 828 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,920 Speaker 3: got into a place, especially as woman, where we've always 829 00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,040 Speaker 3: been put in this light where we have to be perfect. 830 00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,080 Speaker 3: And all the photo shirts of women as they're happy 831 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,080 Speaker 3: and they're smelling and their life is perfect while they're 832 00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,399 Speaker 3: vacuuming the floor, and you know what I mean, It's 833 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,480 Speaker 3: always been like that, and I think that's why women 834 00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,840 Speaker 3: are so stuck in this place where appearance has become 835 00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,960 Speaker 3: what's important. And I think women should have the opportunity 836 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,920 Speaker 3: to do whatever they want in their life. And if 837 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,520 Speaker 3: they're constantly growing up being focused on on the way 838 00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,000 Speaker 3: they look or thinking that that's what's important, then they're 839 00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,040 Speaker 3: never going to reach their short of potential. So I 840 00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,279 Speaker 3: wanted to break that down and just the simple fact 841 00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,600 Speaker 3: of I spent eight years not wearing shorts because I 842 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,759 Speaker 3: was afraid of what people would would think of me, 843 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:11,280 Speaker 3: and I was afraid of comparing. I have compared myself 844 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,120 Speaker 3: to others, which made me afraid of that. Whereas if 845 00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:15,799 Speaker 3: a young girl, you know, I posted something on my 846 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:19,560 Speaker 3: Instagram yesterday and a young girl had compared herself to 847 00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:21,400 Speaker 3: me in the way that I loved that she compared 848 00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,959 Speaker 3: herself to me because she knew that her ownsecurities were 849 00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,240 Speaker 3: okay as well. And that's the effect that I'm hoping 850 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,319 Speaker 3: this movement has is that people can look at all 851 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,440 Speaker 3: different types of bodies and that woman of all colors, 852 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,200 Speaker 3: all sizes or shapes, all abilities are represented in the 853 00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:39,240 Speaker 3: media so that young people can grow up and somewhat 854 00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,720 Speaker 3: see themselves out there in the world. 855 00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:42,920 Speaker 2: I love that. 856 00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:48,640 Speaker 1: So what advice would you give someone so real bodies 857 00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:52,439 Speaker 1: are better portrayed in the media they consume? Because I 858 00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:56,600 Speaker 1: personally always say, constantly be checking the people you follow, 859 00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:58,799 Speaker 1: and if they're making you feel like crap or you're 860 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:03,000 Speaker 1: constantly comparing yourself, like mute them or unfollow them. Do 861 00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:04,719 Speaker 1: you have any advice similar to that? 862 00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:07,799 Speaker 3: I've got kind of two answers for this, one kind 863 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,040 Speaker 3: of more mainstream and one more social media base. I 864 00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,239 Speaker 3: think we forget that there's an unfollowed button, Like if 865 00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:16,160 Speaker 3: I lose followers, I'm like, go ahead, unfollow me, that's fine, 866 00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,600 Speaker 3: Like don't I don't want someone following me who doesn't 867 00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,040 Speaker 3: connect with my message and I don't I don't want 868 00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,000 Speaker 3: to be consuming stuff And it could be a friend, 869 00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,560 Speaker 3: probably not a close friend. Maybe don't unfollow a close friend, 870 00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,240 Speaker 3: but you could mute them. But you know, I think 871 00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:30,799 Speaker 3: if someone's not filling your cup up in the way 872 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:32,200 Speaker 3: that you want it to be filled, or it's not 873 00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,200 Speaker 3: making you feel good, or you're finding yourself thinking negatively 874 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,319 Speaker 3: after you've been on social media, unfollow people. I do 875 00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:41,040 Speaker 3: mass unfollows every now and again, so I go through 876 00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,479 Speaker 3: everyone I'm following and I just get rid of people 877 00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,799 Speaker 3: because sometimes we forget who's actually popping up all of 878 00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,319 Speaker 3: the time. So if things aren't making you feel good, 879 00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,760 Speaker 3: and also kind of a look like I Also, social 880 00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,040 Speaker 3: media has been really scary, and I learn a lot 881 00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,960 Speaker 3: of this through the research I did in an around 882 00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,520 Speaker 3: my petition, because it's one thing to change this in 883 00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,719 Speaker 3: a mainstrea level, because that's really easy, reasonably easy to 884 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:06,600 Speaker 3: change mainstream media, But to change the rules and image 885 00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,640 Speaker 3: and social media, because we don't have control over what 886 00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,520 Speaker 3: someone does, it's scary and I think it's almost having 887 00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:16,200 Speaker 3: a worse effect because someone's face tuning a photo of 888 00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:18,840 Speaker 3: them sitting at a cafe having a coffee with their girlfriends, 889 00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:20,960 Speaker 3: and we just assume that that's everyday life, that they 890 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,520 Speaker 3: look like that in everyday life, but they've chosen to 891 00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,080 Speaker 3: sit on their best angle. They've whitened their teeth, they've 892 00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:28,480 Speaker 3: I don't know, filter in the little bald patch and 893 00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,759 Speaker 3: their ponytail whatever it is like, it's I don't know 894 00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:35,799 Speaker 3: where that came from, but you know it's like this 895 00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:39,040 Speaker 3: we think it's it's even like these filters and stories 896 00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:42,480 Speaker 3: like that make you look somewhat perfect. I weirdly look 897 00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,680 Speaker 3: uglier and those filters so they don't work for me, 898 00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:48,279 Speaker 3: but you know, you kind of forget that that's not 899 00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:52,240 Speaker 3: how people look. People don't have skin that's perfectly poor free, 900 00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,840 Speaker 3: Everyone has pause, it's normal. So I think just yeah, 901 00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,600 Speaker 3: noticing those things is really important. And if you still 902 00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:02,200 Speaker 3: like following that person, follow them, but notice that their 903 00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:05,359 Speaker 3: skin looks like that because of this, you know, And 904 00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,040 Speaker 3: then in a mainstream level, I think it's supporting the 905 00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,720 Speaker 3: brands that are making the changes that you want to see. 906 00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:14,000 Speaker 3: So perfect example is Victoria Secrets. They're no longer doing 907 00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,560 Speaker 3: what they're doing because people stop supporting them. People weren't 908 00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,000 Speaker 3: agreeing with their messages. Their views in the Victoria's Secrets 909 00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,040 Speaker 3: show plumited because people didn't want to support that anymore. 910 00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:26,440 Speaker 3: Whereas brands like Ari, which is an American brand has 911 00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,959 Speaker 3: skyrocketed because they're not retouching their images and they're doing 912 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,840 Speaker 3: things that the consumer want to see. So support those brands, 913 00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:36,200 Speaker 3: buy from those brands, and yeah, support the people who 914 00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,120 Speaker 3: are living that message. I think is the best way 915 00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,360 Speaker 3: that we can kind of keep creating change. 916 00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:45,000 Speaker 1: Couldn't agree more. Thank you for that, Jas, And before 917 00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,520 Speaker 1: we move on to something a little bit different, one 918 00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:52,560 Speaker 1: last question. And I'm sure as much as you were 919 00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,600 Speaker 1: in a completely different place than when you're younger, and 920 00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:59,080 Speaker 1: that's amazing, but I'm sure that you would also sometimes 921 00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,279 Speaker 1: fall in to this comparison trap like it could lead 922 00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,920 Speaker 1: to be a couple of seconds. What is something that 923 00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:08,040 Speaker 1: you do for yourself when that happens. 924 00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:12,319 Speaker 3: I have personally a hundred percent degree, and I try 925 00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,160 Speaker 3: put that out there because I mean, I get called 926 00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,320 Speaker 3: a body imajectivist and all of this kind of stuff, 927 00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:18,799 Speaker 3: body positivity activists and. 928 00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:19,120 Speaker 1: All of that. 929 00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,160 Speaker 3: I have just as many bad days as everyone else. 930 00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,960 Speaker 3: I guess I've through the work I've done, I've developed tools, 931 00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,120 Speaker 3: and I think what I went through as a kid 932 00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,040 Speaker 3: forced me to go through that a lot younger, so 933 00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,000 Speaker 3: I have the tools a lot earlier, which is what 934 00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:36,160 Speaker 3: I'm really grateful for but by no means is every 935 00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:39,400 Speaker 3: day a good day, especially with my prosthetics. You know, 936 00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:43,120 Speaker 3: I have issues with my Like the minute my body changes, 937 00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:47,040 Speaker 3: I notice because my leg doesn't grow. So therefore, if 938 00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:49,560 Speaker 3: I my leg gets muscly or I put on wait 939 00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:51,600 Speaker 3: or whatever, it is one of my sides, like my 940 00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:54,040 Speaker 3: prosthetic is going to be smaller or vice versa. So 941 00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,399 Speaker 3: it's really easy for me to start comparing myself, even 942 00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:01,040 Speaker 3: to myself, because I notice it. But I've just learned 943 00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,880 Speaker 3: to just let it go, like to know that, Okay, 944 00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,840 Speaker 3: today is a bad day, probably about to get my period. 945 00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:10,000 Speaker 3: That's why I'm extra grumpy, you know, And I just 946 00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,359 Speaker 3: learned that. Okay, as you said at the beginning, it's 947 00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:14,239 Speaker 3: a season that I'm in right now. I'm just not 948 00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,879 Speaker 3: feeling the best. But in those moments, I just try 949 00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,560 Speaker 3: and I don't look in the mirror. I don't spend 950 00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:22,080 Speaker 3: time focusing on that. I try to distract myself and 951 00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:24,880 Speaker 3: like I'll go to the gym and I'll do something 952 00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:28,479 Speaker 3: to remind myself that what's important is what I'm able 953 00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,200 Speaker 3: to do in my body, not the way that I look. 954 00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,319 Speaker 3: Like sure, my thigh right now is the size of 955 00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,200 Speaker 3: when I was sixteen, because I haven't been able to 956 00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,600 Speaker 3: remold it. But I can go to the gym, I 957 00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:38,719 Speaker 3: can do all of these things. So it gives it 958 00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,040 Speaker 3: a shit that might sorry I just for who cares 959 00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:44,879 Speaker 3: that my thigh isn't the right size. So I think 960 00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:48,560 Speaker 3: it's learning to catch yourselves in those moments and also 961 00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,440 Speaker 3: knowing that it's okay to have those moments. We're human, 962 00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:54,000 Speaker 3: all of us. We are going to have moments where 963 00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:57,440 Speaker 3: we compare, but just I guess trying to step back 964 00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,120 Speaker 3: and see the bigger picture and all of that. 965 00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,759 Speaker 1: And that's something that you do beautifully on Instagram is 966 00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:08,680 Speaker 1: you are so inspiring on Instagram and so motivating, and 967 00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,439 Speaker 1: like you said, you're a body activist and all these 968 00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,719 Speaker 1: amazing things. But something you do talk about a lot, 969 00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:17,399 Speaker 1: which I love, is you're very real when you are 970 00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,280 Speaker 1: having a bad day. And I remember reading a caption 971 00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:25,200 Speaker 1: and you were just explaining that and I think it's 972 00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:28,360 Speaker 1: this a hard season that you're currently in that you 973 00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:31,480 Speaker 1: are having issues, and you said at the end, I 974 00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:34,280 Speaker 1: know it's just a season. I know it will pass, 975 00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:38,520 Speaker 1: and it certainly hasn't been easy, and so I want 976 00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:42,960 Speaker 1: to chat about why you think it's quite important to 977 00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:46,799 Speaker 1: acknowledge these bad days and be okay with it. Can 978 00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:49,759 Speaker 1: you go into that a little bit more and if 979 00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:51,280 Speaker 1: that's been a part of. 980 00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:55,200 Speaker 3: Your journey hugely a part of my journey, and I 981 00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:59,839 Speaker 3: have probably multiple answers, but one thing, as you can see, 982 00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:09,600 Speaker 3: I like to chat one thing then me is I mean, 983 00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,920 Speaker 3: I grew up being Oh, you're so inspiring, Oh you're 984 00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,000 Speaker 3: so this, even before social media, you know, as a kid, 985 00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,840 Speaker 3: adults would be like, Oh, you're so brave, you're so strong, 986 00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:21,480 Speaker 3: You're so this than that because I did, I naturally 987 00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,800 Speaker 3: have I don't care if the glass is half empty 988 00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:26,520 Speaker 3: or half fall. I have water in my cup. That's 989 00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:28,359 Speaker 3: always been the way that I look at life. And 990 00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,080 Speaker 3: I think that that was in me before I went 991 00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,680 Speaker 3: through what I went through, because I think my parents 992 00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:36,520 Speaker 3: are just really positive people, so that's naturally the way 993 00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:39,520 Speaker 3: I look at life. But also obviously what I went 994 00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:42,360 Speaker 3: through strength and that even more. I mean, I faced 995 00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,600 Speaker 3: a life or death situation when I was nine, Like, 996 00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:46,840 Speaker 3: obviously that's going to change my perspective on life. But 997 00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,800 Speaker 3: it also was hard because I lived in the state 998 00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:52,960 Speaker 3: of Oh I'm strong. I have to be strong. People 999 00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:54,879 Speaker 3: love it when I'm strong. I'm positive all the time 1000 00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,320 Speaker 3: kind of state for so long that it wasn't until 1001 00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:01,720 Speaker 3: my recent major hiccup than life the day or season, 1002 00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:05,040 Speaker 3: that I realized that it's actually okay to not be strong. 1003 00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,400 Speaker 3: Like it doesn't mean you're a weak person. It means 1004 00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,439 Speaker 3: that you're going through a season of time where maybe 1005 00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:12,160 Speaker 3: you need to ask for help, or you need to 1006 00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:14,440 Speaker 3: reach out to someone, or you need to just find 1007 00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,840 Speaker 3: some slow in your life. So that process in itself 1008 00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,200 Speaker 3: was really important for me, and I think I don't 1009 00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:23,080 Speaker 3: think that people who follow me realize how much they 1010 00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,960 Speaker 3: actually helped me through that, because you know, they helped 1011 00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:27,880 Speaker 3: me have a platform where I could just be myself, 1012 00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:31,560 Speaker 3: which was really cool. So that in itself has been 1013 00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,879 Speaker 3: a learning and a process, and I've become better at 1014 00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,560 Speaker 3: just sitting and not being okay, and I think that's important. 1015 00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,080 Speaker 3: And then the reason I like to put it out 1016 00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:44,280 Speaker 3: in the world is because we all know and social 1017 00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:48,400 Speaker 3: media is constantly criticized for projecting this perfect life this 1018 00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,759 Speaker 3: I live, this is my perfect morning routine and all 1019 00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,200 Speaker 3: this kind of stuff, and I like to show people that, 1020 00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:58,200 Speaker 3: like the days are really crap sometimes, and it could 1021 00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,719 Speaker 3: be something as small as your boss, one thing to 1022 00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,040 Speaker 3: you that can throw you over the edge. But it 1023 00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,320 Speaker 3: really scares me that someone out there could be really 1024 00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,600 Speaker 3: struggling with their mental health and they could have a 1025 00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:12,080 Speaker 3: day where they just don't know if they can hold 1026 00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:15,520 Speaker 3: it together, and then they see someone like myself and 1027 00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:18,000 Speaker 3: they're like, Oh, she's having a perfect day though, when 1028 00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:21,840 Speaker 3: in reality I'm probably not. And the reality of social media, 1029 00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:26,160 Speaker 3: even for someone like myself who puts out a very 1030 00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:28,600 Speaker 3: raw content, I share my bad days, I share my 1031 00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:30,920 Speaker 3: good days. I'm still only sharing five percent of my 1032 00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:32,600 Speaker 3: life because I don't have a camera follow me around 1033 00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:35,600 Speaker 3: all the time. I might jump on stories twice a day, 1034 00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:38,239 Speaker 3: so you're seeing the smallert snippet of my life. So 1035 00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:41,640 Speaker 3: I wanted to make sure people knew that as well 1036 00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:43,760 Speaker 3: as the good days I have, there is also bad days, 1037 00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:47,480 Speaker 3: and I think it just kind of normalizes the experience 1038 00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:50,080 Speaker 3: of life that we all go through, you know. So yeah, 1039 00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:53,640 Speaker 3: I think it's important to be raw. I don't think everyone. 1040 00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:56,080 Speaker 3: I think there's also a movement at the moment where 1041 00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:59,360 Speaker 3: everyone thinks they have to tell their deepest, darkest stories 1042 00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:03,000 Speaker 3: because to kind of click baity these days. But too, 1043 00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:04,640 Speaker 3: I don't feel like people you don't have to do 1044 00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:06,680 Speaker 3: that if it isn't what feels right to you. But 1045 00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:10,200 Speaker 3: I think just knowing that there are people out there, 1046 00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,640 Speaker 3: I guess watching your evory move, so it's really important 1047 00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:15,680 Speaker 3: to inspire them in a way that they can I 1048 00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:17,239 Speaker 3: guess resonate with maybe. 1049 00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:18,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. 1050 00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,560 Speaker 1: I love the fact that I feel like you are 1051 00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:27,520 Speaker 1: very conscious about being considerate and kind to yourself, because, 1052 00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:30,120 Speaker 1: like you said, we can often get stuck in this 1053 00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:34,319 Speaker 1: pattern where it's like I'm not having the perfect day, 1054 00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:38,359 Speaker 1: and then it's almost like you can get upset at 1055 00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:42,200 Speaker 1: yourself because you're upset. That makes sense, you know, it 1056 00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,160 Speaker 1: feels yeah, and you're like, I love what you said. 1057 00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,600 Speaker 1: It's almost just being like kind and considerate to yourself. 1058 00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:52,839 Speaker 1: And it's also like, we need these bad days, and 1059 00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:56,239 Speaker 1: I'm doing air quotes. You can't say me, we need 1060 00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:01,520 Speaker 1: days in these hard days, because it's definitely what makes 1061 00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:05,520 Speaker 1: you grateful and realize when you do have a good 1062 00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:07,560 Speaker 1: day and you are feeling your best. 1063 00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:08,879 Speaker 2: But it is. 1064 00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,799 Speaker 1: Definitely okay to have those days and not to feel 1065 00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,920 Speaker 1: good and perfect one hundred percent of the time. 1066 00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,640 Speaker 3: Totally I fully, I couldn't agree more. And I think 1067 00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:21,040 Speaker 3: and I've learned a lot of this in the last 1068 00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:23,399 Speaker 3: kind of year to eighteen months when I've been having 1069 00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:25,520 Speaker 3: a rough time again, and I think that's the reason 1070 00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:26,880 Speaker 3: I've gone through what I went through, so that I 1071 00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:31,560 Speaker 3: could learn all of this. So it's been hugely important. 1072 00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:37,640 Speaker 3: And also knowing that even something like healing doesn't always 1073 00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:40,840 Speaker 3: look pretty, you know, Like I think we watch videos 1074 00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:42,879 Speaker 3: and it's like, these are my five steps, so feel 1075 00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:45,120 Speaker 3: better in my day, you know what it's like. It's 1076 00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:47,680 Speaker 3: like sometimes like for me, like I did this post 1077 00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:50,239 Speaker 3: and I learned I heard I try everything because I'm 1078 00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:51,880 Speaker 3: trying to faxt my body at the moment. And I 1079 00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,839 Speaker 3: heard that cabbage was really good for swelling. People put 1080 00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:57,480 Speaker 3: it on their breasts when their breastfeeding to get the 1081 00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:01,080 Speaker 3: swelling down. So I wrapped it on my amputation and 1082 00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:03,319 Speaker 3: put glad wrap around and took a photo and I 1083 00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:05,320 Speaker 3: was like, this is what healing. What it's like healing 1084 00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:07,880 Speaker 3: is trying the weird, whacky stuff that you see on 1085 00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:11,760 Speaker 3: the internet and hoping it works. It's not always meditation 1086 00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,479 Speaker 3: and yoga, you know. So I think that's also really 1087 00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:16,040 Speaker 3: important to share with people. 1088 00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:22,719 Speaker 1: I love that you are so funny. And on a 1089 00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:26,239 Speaker 1: question that I know you're going to answer so so well, 1090 00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:30,680 Speaker 1: what advice do you have for listeners who are listening 1091 00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:32,520 Speaker 1: to this and they don't feel enough? 1092 00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:37,080 Speaker 3: I guess, I mean, I hope this isn't do some books, 1093 00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:41,840 Speaker 3: but just know that you are. You know, if we 1094 00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:46,400 Speaker 3: are all enough, and the stress that we cause on 1095 00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:49,920 Speaker 3: ourselves just trying to be enough when we are already 1096 00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:52,480 Speaker 3: enough is going to make us feel even worse. You know, 1097 00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:56,040 Speaker 3: it's really important to try step into your own in 1098 00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:59,319 Speaker 3: that way and just know that you are enough and 1099 00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:03,360 Speaker 3: know that maybe the reason you aren't feeling enough is 1100 00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:06,840 Speaker 3: because you're comparing yourself. And then I guess it's understanding 1101 00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,719 Speaker 3: that process that the person you're comparing themselves to is 1102 00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:14,320 Speaker 3: also comparing themselves to someone else. So yeah, I honestly 1103 00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:17,880 Speaker 3: I know that it's so simple, but I just, I mean, 1104 00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,160 Speaker 3: my worsh in life is to just know that. Its like, 1105 00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:23,520 Speaker 3: have everyone know that they are enough because we all are. 1106 00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:26,040 Speaker 2: One hundred percent. Oh, I love that. I know that 1107 00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:26,840 Speaker 2: was perfect. 1108 00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:31,680 Speaker 1: And lastly, Jess, a question that I want to finish 1109 00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:37,719 Speaker 1: off the interview is what do you do or look 1110 00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:41,520 Speaker 1: for when you're needing motivation or inspiration yourself. 1111 00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:46,880 Speaker 3: I guess it depends on the situation. If I'm needing 1112 00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:50,080 Speaker 3: motivation to go to the gym, I don't actually know 1113 00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:57,080 Speaker 3: how I do that sometimes, deny that's good. I like it. 1114 00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:02,880 Speaker 3: I mean, I've really learned recently to slow down so 1115 00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,960 Speaker 3: when I'm feeling a lack of motivation, like the mom 1116 00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:07,279 Speaker 3: when I don't think I've been to the gym for 1117 00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:10,200 Speaker 3: a week, which was quite surprising for me. But I'm 1118 00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:13,880 Speaker 3: kind of just in that and then I know that 1119 00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,239 Speaker 3: I will get out instead of being like I've got 1120 00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:17,560 Speaker 3: to go to the gym today, you know, just like 1121 00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:20,320 Speaker 3: trying to listen to my body. I find that really motivating, 1122 00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:26,200 Speaker 3: which is probably really cheesy, but I find that really helpful, 1123 00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,759 Speaker 3: you know. And also I don't know, I just have 1124 00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:31,880 Speaker 3: like a get up and get over it kind of editude. 1125 00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:33,680 Speaker 2: I have second ruler. 1126 00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:37,239 Speaker 3: Five second roll to I love the five second role. 1127 00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:41,800 Speaker 3: But yeah, I don't I don't actually know. It definitely 1128 00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:45,360 Speaker 3: depends on the situation. I mean, I have amazing people 1129 00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:47,120 Speaker 3: that I follow and all that kind of stuff, but 1130 00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:50,319 Speaker 3: I've also tried to learn to look within instead of 1131 00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:54,880 Speaker 3: outside for that kind of motivation sometimes as lame and 1132 00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:56,879 Speaker 3: cheesy as it is. If I'm in a really bad place, 1133 00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:59,000 Speaker 3: I look back on old photos from when I was sick, 1134 00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:01,600 Speaker 3: and I share them every now and again all my stories, 1135 00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:03,560 Speaker 3: and I think people are starting to notice, like, okay, 1136 00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:05,840 Speaker 3: dress isn't a bit of a low wash just litter sittle, 1137 00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:08,839 Speaker 3: you know, because I kind of go through the sad 1138 00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:11,040 Speaker 3: moment and then I get this like wave of motivation 1139 00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:14,600 Speaker 3: and everything feels better because I know that days can 1140 00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:17,320 Speaker 3: be worse than they are right now. So yeah, I 1141 00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:20,839 Speaker 3: think I would have normally answered with like a list 1142 00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:22,640 Speaker 3: of people, but I think in the last year I've 1143 00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:26,920 Speaker 3: really learned to look within for motivation instead of outside. 1144 00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:30,040 Speaker 3: I love that and that not that I like think 1145 00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:32,200 Speaker 3: I'm the best person on the planet, but it just 1146 00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:32,759 Speaker 3: helps me. 1147 00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:37,439 Speaker 1: And it's funny because similar to you, like recently I've 1148 00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:41,600 Speaker 1: realized going within and almost just like getting quiet and 1149 00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:45,160 Speaker 1: like you said, like sewing down and stopping, it's kind 1150 00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:50,080 Speaker 1: of like it reignites. I'm such an info too, so yeah, 1151 00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:52,640 Speaker 1: like I'm just like, oh, I just need to be alone. 1152 00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:56,000 Speaker 3: Same like I'm not the biggest fan of people in masses, 1153 00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:59,640 Speaker 3: like give me one person at a time. I'm good. 1154 00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:02,319 Speaker 1: I know I hadn't said. It's so funny. I went 1155 00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:04,640 Speaker 1: to gym this morning and I saw my sister in law. 1156 00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:08,000 Speaker 1: She lives quite close and we had seen each other 1157 00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:11,160 Speaker 1: all week. She's like, have you left the house this week? 1158 00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:14,280 Speaker 2: I know. I'm like, it's been amazing. 1159 00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:17,040 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I wish I could do that. See, 1160 00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:18,920 Speaker 3: I have to get out, like I'm like a I 1161 00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:21,440 Speaker 3: can't sit stall person, but ideally I get out and 1162 00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:22,800 Speaker 3: they don't see humans. 1163 00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:29,320 Speaker 1: Agreed, love it amazing. Well, thank you so much for 1164 00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:32,560 Speaker 1: coming on the show, Jess. Before you go, please let 1165 00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:35,800 Speaker 1: the audience know where they can find and follow you. 1166 00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:38,880 Speaker 3: Awesome. Well, thank you for having me. I've loved I 1167 00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:41,920 Speaker 3: love doing podcast interviews there and especially when the questions 1168 00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:45,160 Speaker 3: are like really good, you know. So it's been awesome. 1169 00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:49,360 Speaker 3: Thank you. Where can people find me? Mostly Instagram is 1170 00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:54,160 Speaker 3: where I where I am, which is Jessica Emilie Quinn. Yeah, 1171 00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:56,480 Speaker 3: and then everything else I kind of just link from there. 1172 00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:58,560 Speaker 3: So yeah, Instagram. 1173 00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:00,360 Speaker 1: I'll make sure I put it in the show notes 1174 00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:02,760 Speaker 1: to you guys, see Jess, thank you so much. 1175 00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:07,000 Speaker 3: Bye, thank you, And that's a wrap. 1176 00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:09,800 Speaker 1: On another episode of the Rise and Concor podcast. I 1177 00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:12,040 Speaker 1: hope you got something valuable from it, and I want 1178 00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:12,600 Speaker 1: to say. 1179 00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:14,200 Speaker 2: A big thank you for tuning in. 1180 00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:17,520 Speaker 1: I really really do appreciate it. 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